Loaning Equipment

[EzanK 1,312]

Hey guys, i have found an idea i would like to share with you guys. Before i do so, please show your support or reaction towards it. If you like this idea, give it a up-vote. If you dislike this idea give it a down-vote. You can always give me feedback by commenting in this forum, or by a PM. Anyway without a further or do, i present to you, the idea of....

 

Loaning Equipment

 

Introduction: With this update, tankers should be able to go to the "Tanki Hub" where they can see items for their ranks that other diverse tankers have put up for loan. It will say the seller of the item's name. And there shall be a auction for that item. There is a low and a high price for it. For this reason, a person can't get something for super cheap letting the seller down, or buy something super expensive letting the buyer down. Lets give this thing a go. At the end of the due date, the item will be returned. The minimum to maximum of the loaning can be up to 7 days and as little as 1 day.  In addition, you can not loan more than one type of equipment such as Paint, Turret, or Hull. You don't want people to get super rich off rusty tanks, now do you? And just to clarify, when i say week, i don't mean every seven days, I mean from Monday to Saturday, so if you loan something after Monday, you got 6 days left of that equipment, which probably means a lower bid for that object! So this will truly test tanker's smartness and knowledge, to avoid and make sense of good to bad sales!  ;) 

 

​Scenario: Pretend the buyer is a Warrant Officer 5. With this, the person can loan a Freeze M2, and wants to try it out for somewhat a decent amount of time. He finds a third Lieutenant who is loaning a freeze M2 for 3 days for 1,500 crystals. The minimum price for a freeze M2 for loan of 3 days is 750 crystals to 3,000 crystals as maximum. The seller has gone for somewhat half of the maximum. The buyer is so intrigued that he plans on buying the Freeze M2 but there is 30 minutes left of its selling. For this, he clicks the "Invite me here when it is close to 5 minutes" button and goes to a battle. 25 minutes later, he is excused from the battle, and sees someone has already voted for it as 1,600 crystals. At the last seconds, that Warrant Officer 5 puts 2,000 crystals for the Freeze and wins it. He got lucky, because a few seconds before him, someone went for a bit less and voted 1, 750 crystals. At the end, the Warrant Officer 5 gets a Freeze M2 for 3 days.. and the seller gets 2,000 crystals.   ;)

 

Seller's profit: The seller can loan out things they don't use and get crystals in return for it. I personally have a rusty M2 isida, and i know a lot of Lieutenants would like it, so if i loan it for somewhat near 30 days, i can maybe get a 8,000 crystal amount for it..  :D

 

Buyer's profit: The buyer can be diverse and gets to try out different hulls, or turrets. I personally love Dictator, and the highest one i can get at my rank is M2, so if i can get a cheeky sale and loan a Dictator M2 for 6,000 crystals for a 25 days, that would be great. Also, as a future update of Daily missions, which may require to try something new, tankers could try something new at the highest rank of it, like i can try Smoky M3 at my rank, and if it is a mission to get 5 critical shots wish smoky, i can do that easily in 15 minutes and loaning it just for a day for a cheap sale such as 1,000 crystals.   :D

 

Updates needed: Tanki needs to make many buttons for this "Tanki Hub" like Invite me here at "5 minutes left", or the many buttons to range out the stuff ranging from which rank the person can buy the stuff it, and how much the crystals cost. In addition, you can't MU a loaned item. When returned to the seller, the seller should perfectly get the same thing that was given back to the buyer. Also, pretend the seller wants the loaned item back. The seller can bid on the item the seller sold out, and if the buyer is generous enough, they can agree on a crystal term to get it back. Also, there will be another part in "Friends" where it lists all the thing you listed to which people. The maximum amount you can loan the equipment up to depends on how much of you have, and its up to tanki. Paints can depend up to your self, so like you can loan one paint if you have 3, or you can loan 2 if you have 8.

 

But turrets and hulls should all be the same, and you can never sale all the items of your account out, because then, you won't have nothing original to fight with, that belongs to you... You can buy as many loaned stuff as you want, as long as you got the crystals to afford it. And the only trolling this can do is to your self. You can still buy the same item, but perhaps at a different level or "M". You are only trolling your self if you buy something you already have, or the same thing at a lower one. So say i loaned a Thunder M2 when i got a Thunder M3. I could use either one because they are both choices, but it is just trolling to buy something you don't need... Ohh, i forgot to mention. The maximum and minimum of that price depends on how much it has been Micro upgraded, its level, and its overall popularity in the game. Popular tanks such as Dictator can be a bit more expensive then rare twins.. You know what i mean?   ;)

 

Conclusion: I know people can trade crystals with alter and new accounts with equipment near the rank, by earning crystals  from selling useless stuff to their pro accounts, but you know, this can be a useful way to earn crystals. It is somewhat a method also uses in life, known as trading, in which case we trade crystals for items, and get them back as a loan.

 

     Anyway, this has not yet been perfected, or approved upon by many people. If you have any questions or resolutions for anything i missed to perfect this new update, please do so. Also, if you can illustrate this idea, may you please paint it out. You will be credited, and it will give a better visual for others to see. Hope a few of you can understand my thinking here! Thank you for your cooperation! ;)  

 

I am sorry for using color if it is any way form or shape, bothering you. I would immediately change it if it is necessary and wanted by others.  ^_^ In addition, please excuse any simple errors in writing. This is my first topic, so I am not sure if i am breaking any rules using color and spoilers, bringing these kind of ideas to Tanki. Please work with me here, and thank you!  ;)

 

Also, this idea was inspired by Fifa 15, and it's FUT hub where you can loan player cards. Thank you for this idea Electronic Arts, you finally came in to some use! :P  

 

:excl: This topic will be closed soon. Thanks for all the ones participating. Your choice matters, and I have made my final decsion. This will ruin the game as it will be considerd "Business" between the players here with existing equipment. For that, this suggestion is not so great, and will be finished.  :excl: 

[dilsharox 2,395]

i dont think TO will be kind enough to lend us equipment like a bank

anyway this is like leasing equipment & i dont think it'll be suitable for a game like this

[ezankhan 241]

i dont think TO will be kind enough to lend us equipment like a bank

anyway this is like leasing equipment & i dont think it'll be suitable for a game like this

Hmm, good point. But with a trading society with MMO, this game could get more popular. Although in it's current state, it may decrease buying since others are earning crystals a lot, but this could be a long term replacement for deeply missed crystal boxes. Crystal boxes were taken by people who did not even get any points, so they are not contributing to that match. That is a problem, but with trade, it could resolve a solution to better income in Tanki for players. Plus, with a better society, more people may join the game.

 

This idea was inspired by Fifa, made by EA or Electronic Arts! It is a game based on a sport, and i get it is different from fighting type MMO like this, but after the drastic change of adding FUT Pub to the game, it got more than an additional of 10% to it's population, which is over a million in their stats. And this pub is for loaning players for a specific amount of time, paying this in game earned currency. These players make part of Fifa, as they are good soccer players in the game and cause change.  But with Tanki, this popular change could be a change to 80,000 players to about 100,000. You never know!  :D

 

With more players, the inpatient ones, or people who just don't want to trade can buy. Also, for those who want to try something new but don't have enough crystals, they can buy. With a few more buyers, Tanki may possibly be back in business, so it is a Plus/Plus for both the community and developers. I hope you get what i am trying to say, and thank you for sharing your opinion! ;)

 

By the way, I am EzanK's Alter. I will be using this for short discussions on this topic! ;)

[dilsharox 2,395]

Hmm, good point. But with a trading society with MMO, this game could get more popular. Although in it's current state, it may decrease buying since others are earning crystals a lot, but this could be a long term replacement for deeply missed crystal boxes. Crystal boxes were taken by people who did not even get any points, so they are not contributing to that match. That is a problem, but with trade, it could resolve a solution to better income in Tanki for players. Plus, with a better society, more people may join the game.

 

This idea was inspired by Fifa, made by EA or Electronic Arts! It is a game based on a sport, and i get it is different from fighting type MMO like this, but after the drastic change of adding FUT Pub to the game, it got more than an additional of 10% to it's population, which is over a million in their stats. And this pub is for loaning players for a specific amount of time, paying this in game earned currency. These players make part of Fifa, as they are good soccer players in the game and cause change.  But with Tanki, this popular change could be a change to 80,000 players to about 100,000. You never know!  :D

 

With more players, the inpatient ones, or people who just don't want to trade can buy. Also, for those who want to try something new but don't have enough crystals, they can buy. With a few more buyers, Tanki may possibly be back in business, so it is a Plus/Plus for both the community and developers. I hope you get what i am trying to say, and thank you for sharing your opinion! ;)

 

By the way, I am EzanK's Alter. I will be using this for short discussions on this topic! ;)

fifa & TO are 2 different games

this will be usefull for players who doesn't have the right equipment for a particular rank but this is likely to be implemented in this game

[ezankhan 241]

fifa & TO are 2 different games

this will be usefull for players who doesn't have the right equipment for a particular rank but this is likely to be implemented in this game

I understand that they are different games, but I hope i can explain a bit more. Umm, Electronic Arts for Fifa, is where you can loan a player for your Ultimate Team(UT). There are over 100,000 players, while out hulls and turrets are limited. However, new factors such as level of the loaning object which ranges from M0-M3. Also, it depends on popularity such as since fire bird is hot now, it may be more expensive then twins, which are quite rare. If you get what I am trying to say, different games but similar factors in Loaning.  :P 

 

Let me try to make as much connections as possible for you!  ;) 

 

*Player in UT could be the different combos on Tanki.

 

*Different ranges in players could be the parameters in the selling object.

 

*Different tournaments in Fifa are like game modes in Tanki, where your loaned or currently bought stuff could be used.

 

To make this perhaps more compatible, and for no use of cheating, perhaps Tanki could make their own loan system, where they are making the profit getting the crystals from tankers, and we are getting the stuff from them. This way, trading between accounts could be stopped, and Tanki could use the crystals they are getting to sell to the other people who want to buy it for money! I mean the seller are the developers, but we got to buy smart, and everyone get's the same prices for choices. So for a specific amount of days for a combo, it will be the same price for other tankers if they are at the rank to get it. Of course you obviously have to be at the rank to occupy the gadget, as you don't want  rookie buyers to get M3s! :P 

 

If this idea is approved by the visiting tankers in this topic, i will change the mean idea of Loaning Equipment! from tankers selling, to Tanki selling. So this way, the crystals could be reproduced for cash, which could be possibly used to Loan.  And we, got to be smart on the choices we plan on buying. Of course, the buying for the loaning thing should be fair, as it should be a popular factor in what I imagine "Tanki Hub."

[Maf 32,334]

You basically want to turn Tanki Online into a business/banking simulator. Yes, this kind of system would most likely work and people would like to have the ability to rent out equipment, but it just seems like a lot of effort for the developers to add a new feature, which only makes the game more complicated, not better.

 

One of Tanki Online's main unique selling points is the game is as simple as it can possibly be, so that new players can learn it quickly and become interested. This is why battle customisation was limited to PRO battles only, garage descriptions were made simpler and loading screen tips became shorter - all done to make sure that new players don't get overwhelmed with an excessive amount of settings and controls. With your system being added to the game, newbies will register, see a massive tutorial on equipment loans, make this face and leave.

 

If the ability to loan equipment is ever added, it will be much more basic and easy to use, although I would rather the developers worked on more interesting updates such as the achievements system. The option of loaning equipment to others isn't even that exciting, compared to other potential new additions to the game.

[genak138 950]

I think MAFIOZA121 has just stated the biggest issues with this :)

 

P.S. Why are you upvoting your posts with your alts? We all know that ezankhan is your alt :lol:

[dilsharox 2,395]

I understand that they are different games, but I hope i can explain a bit more. Umm, Electronic Arts for Fifa, is where you can loan a player for your Ultimate Team(UT). There are over 100,000 players, while out hulls and turrets are limited. However, new factors such as level of the loaning object which ranges from M0-M3. Also, it depends on popularity such as since fire bird is hot now, it may be more expensive then twins, which are quite rare. If you get what I am trying to say, different games but similar factors in Loaning.  :P 

 

Let me try to make as much connections as possible for you!  ;) 

 

*Player in UT could be the different combos on Tanki.

 

*Different ranges in players could be the parameters in the selling object.

 

*Different tournaments in Fifa are like game modes in Tanki, where your loaned or currently bought stuff could be used.

 

To make this perhaps more compatible, and for no use of cheating, perhaps Tanki could make their own loan system, where they are making the profit getting the crystals from tankers, and we are getting the stuff from them. This way, trading between accounts could be stopped, and Tanki could use the crystals they are getting to sell to the other people who want to buy it for money! I mean the seller are the developers, but we got to buy smart, and everyone get's the same prices for choices. So for a specific amount of days for a combo, it will be the same price for other tankers if they are at the rank to get it. Of course you obviously have to be at the rank to occupy the gadget, as you don't want  rookie buyers to get M3s! :P 

 

If this idea is approved by the visiting tankers in this topic, i will change the mean idea of Loaning Equipment! from tankers selling, to Tanki selling. So this way, the crystals could be reproduced for cash, which could be possibly used to Loan.  And we, got to be smart on the choices we plan on buying. Of course, the buying for the loaning thing should be fair, as it should be a popular factor in what I imagine "Tanki Hub."

but still this suggestion of yours is not suitable for this game

& y do u upvote your own posts with your alt?

[creeperskelly 1,281]

If people want to try new equipment the test servers open up often enough to get to try other things.

[kayitsiz 621]

You basically want to turn Tanki Online into a business/banking simulator. Yes, this kind of system would most likely work and people would like to have the ability to rent out equipment, but it just seems like a lot of effort for the developers to add a new feature, which only makes the game more complicated, not better.

 

One of Tanki Online's main unique selling points is the game is as simple as it can possibly be, so that new players can learn it quickly and become interested. This is why battle customisation was limited to PRO battles only, garage descriptions were made simpler and loading screen tips became shorter - all done to make sure that new players don't get overwhelmed with an excessive amount of settings and controls. With your system being added to the game, newbies will register, see a massive tutorial on equipment loans, make this face and leave.

 

If the ability to loan equipment is ever added, it will be much more basic and easy to use, although I would rather the developers worked on more interesting updates such as the achievements system. The option of loaning equipment to others isn't even that exciting, compared to other potential new additions to the game.

The game has to be complicated with time. Another way, old players will be bored.

[Maf 32,334]

The game has to be complicated with time. Another way, old players will be bored.

Not always. Old players leave, new players come, so the game doesn't have to constantly get more complex to keep players interested. New features are good, but they need to make the game fun and diverse, rather than complicated.

 

Examples of good ideas: achievements system, special abilities for hulls, new game modes, moving props in maps.

Examples of bad ideas: loan and savings system, vertical aiming for all turrets, manual gearbox in tanks, custom protections for paints.

[kayitsiz 621]

Not always. Old players leave, new players come, so the game doesn't have to constantly get more complex to keep players interested. New features are good, but they need to make the game fun and diverse, rather than complicated.

 

Examples of good ideas: achievements system, special abilities for hulls, new game modes, moving props in maps.

Examples of bad ideas: loan and savings system, vertical aiming for all turrets, manual gearbox in tanks, custom protections for paints.

Game would keep players more and make the game with more variety(which is good for everyone)

Game should both give something for hardcores and casual players..

Examples of ideas both may the game exciting...

 

Really, except e-sport(when you put a human this would bring the same result without a lot effort) and some guns which have fans who wants to use it extremely(for example railgun, ricochet, shaft).......

there is nothing for hardcores

[Maf 32,334]

there is nothing for hardcores

There aren't enough "hardcores" to make new updates specifically for them.

[ezankhan 241]

You basically want to turn Tanki Online into a business/banking simulator. Yes, this kind of system would most likely work and people would like to have the ability to rent out equipment, but it just seems like a lot of effort for the developers to add a new feature, which only makes the game more complicated, not better.

 

One of Tanki Online's main unique selling points is the game is as simple as it can possibly be, so that new players can learn it quickly and become interested. This is why battle customisation was limited to PRO battles only, garage descriptions were made simpler and loading screen tips became shorter - all done to make sure that new players don't get overwhelmed with an excessive amount of settings and controls. With your system being added to the game, newbies will register, see a massive tutorial on equipment loans, make this face and leave.

 

If the ability to loan equipment is ever added, it will be much more basic and easy to use, although I would rather the developers worked on more interesting updates such as the achievements system. The option of loaning equipment to others isn't even that exciting, compared to other potential new additions to the game.

Hmm good point. But I thought with this idea, the hopeful soon coming "Daily Missions" will may be helpful. Cause if it is to use a Hull/Turret for a first or few times, if you use it at it's greatest state, you may enjoy it and plan on making it permanent. I don't think this was thought through that hard, and for the Newbies. I totally agree with you as for it may be complicated for others.  :) 

 

But think for all the people who are referrals, and high experienced tankers could explain to them. Plus talking about making "that face and leaving", the demo or the instructions for the beginning is quite great and easy. But imagine in the first battle without changing equipment, and facing a low ranked tanker who is in their alter. Probably with a bad performance, that could also result on leaving. Plus, don't you think the Forum is too complicated for low ranks, and why there are not that many commenting on these interesting topics. Not to mention, having a few to little clans for low ranks.. I mean they are not informed about the Forum by Tanki, but it is a part in the homepage. And for the low ranks who post, they have up to 1 day being online, with only a few posts on one topic, which is mainly made by Semyon.  :( 

 

So as you can see, talking about complicated, after the very big change of front page, which i think looks better, the player population decreased to 100,000 plus online daily, to 80,000 in it's peak at Holidays, and week-ends. In addition, only a few people care to stay or contribute the community for that long with that population of the Tanki Community. Stating this, the Loaning System could either be good, and bring smart choices back to Tanki, or not.  :mellow: 

 

However, I do understand it may be hard for Tanki developers to implement, thinking about the new Unity version, and other better updates as you stated as "achievements system, special abilities for hulls, new game modes, moving props in maps."

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts, and looking forward to more agreements/disagreements. I truly appreciate your opinions on this unpopular topic!  ;) 

 

I think MAFIOZA121 has just stated the biggest issues with this :)

 

P.S. Why are you upvoting your posts with your alts? We all know that ezankhan is your alt :lol:

 

1. This are many problems Tanki Online have to consider for a wide amount of updates.  :) 

2. Why not? I mean it is not braking Tanki rules. As long as i don't use my alter to get bad reputation, such as a double down vote on another's post, it's all good. I am using to spread positiveness, plus it is just not for me, I double up-vote a lot of others posts. In addition, I am a kid, and this may be strange, but i like having good stats like up votes, and a bit views. It keeps me.... i guess you can say encouraged to write long stuff like these, which i do think pays off.  :lol: And before you and other people tell me to get a life, don't state that without actually knowing me, okay? My real life is fine, and do you tell reporters to get a life because they write long stuff like this?  :blink: Their's may be more interesting and important, but my posts still have a cause and point to share.  ;) 

 

I hope I cleared up any misunderstanding based on this topic, and about me.

 

but still this suggestion of yours is not suitable for this game

& y do u upvote your own posts with your alt?

As for number one, there are many things that were not suitable for this game, that turned out to be great! Remember we could not get times 2 battle fund, but a few people liked the post at the end. Cause before that, the 3,000 gold boxes payed off, and as many golds fell, this helped to make montages of Star ladder golds for up to 4-5 minutes, which is great content to advertise about Tanki! For that, something bad such as this update, in your opinion, could be relived with a better one. And you always got the rule of implementing something out of the game, such as the deeply missed 10 Crystal boxes, which were all gone due to 100 crystal boxes, and other high crystal boxes, which was truly a mishap.  :( But on to this topic, this can help others regain strength in numbers with loaned equipment!  ;) 

 

As for number two, that was already answered, which is my strange good feeling of seeing positive reputation!  :P 

 

If people want to try new equipment the test servers open up often enough to get to try other things.

I don't know about you, but the test server is nearly not open, well not for testing equipment. It is rather used to test updates. Plus, what if you want something M2 such as Fire bird? Trying it M3 is different, and you could get different results. And if people got Zeus with 50% protection from fire, or even more if Micro-Upgarded, then what are you going to do? I mean it is sort of the same thing, i guess, cause in both ranks of range, your opponents have the same M as you, cause in real game it is M2 vs M2, and in Test it is M3 vs M3, but that is a drastic change. Such as Rail does not have much change from M2->M3 because in it's most popular format, XP/BP, most of the time it is 2 shots for kill. The main difference would be color from purple to gold, and reload, cause damage is pretty much the same. In addition, this was mainly for Daily Missions, which could mean to get a more variety of combos which you may like, which rewards with completing the mission with crystals. What is the point of earning crystals in Test? And the loan system would be online all the time players are online, so you know, that is more efficient then Test server!  ;) 

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

I think this is an interesting idea and a good idea. 

 

Disadvantages:

1. The loaner can have some stuff that he/she doesn't like and loan it all the time and basically sell it. The loaner can become extremely rich this way and it ruins how good you feel by getting a bunch of crystals when you can just loan one of your least favorite turrets for the same price. 

 

2. The guy who pays for the loan can be broke and still have a bunch of decent equipment

 

3. The person who needs to rent the turret can not play tanki for a few days and pay for what they got without even using it. 

[EzanK 1,312]

I think this is an interesting idea and a good idea. 

 

Disadvantages:

1. The loaner can have some stuff that he/she doesn't like and loan it all the time and basically sell it. The loaner can become extremely rich this way and it ruins how good you feel by getting a bunch of crystals when you can just loan one of your least favorite turrets for the same price. 

 

2. The guy who pays for the loan can be broke and still have a bunch of decent equipment

 

3. The person who needs to rent the turret can not play tanki for a few days and pay for what they got without even using it. 

Hey, thank you for your opinions. Here is my thought!  ;) 

 

1. Thank you for that suggestion. It has been edited, that the loaner can only loan 1 of each hull/turret/paint every week. So you can always have one of those less type of equipment, and not sell out everything to get a lot of crystals. You can keep on loaning out the same object such as Dictator every week, but that is one hull loaned, and you got to wait next week. By week, I don't mean every 7 days. I mean, from Monday to Sunday, every week.  I hope that makes sense!  ;) If you need an scenario in order to explain, just ask, I will be then happy for you to get my sense!  :)

 

2. That's not a bad thing, is it? I mean when we buy good stuff in a sale and go all ham, we are broke but we got good stuff. So having that good stuff for a limited time is not bad!  :P 

 

3. Umm, that is where the smart part comes with this. If you know you are going out of Tanki for a while, don't buy loan stuff, loan your own stuff to make profit. And if someway somehow you do have to go, then good luck, and too bad. Plus, you got to do what you got to do, don't let games stop you or make you feel bad! In addition, it is not much of a lose. I mean the prices of these are gonna be cheap!  So players can loan, and others will buy. Every small to big profit is worth it!  ^_^ 

[AplhaZorak 135]

One problem, What if someone does an "auction" and the prize is higher than what the actual price is.

[ezankhan 241]

One problem, What if someone does an "auction" and the prize is higher than what the actual price is.

That won't actually be made possible. See, the Tanki developers will make this update, so it is there price ranges from Lowest to Highest. Of course, the loaning object can't be higher than the permanent of it's purchase, cause then, there is no reason to buy it! And if players have problem loaning their stuff, Tanki could loan there own stuff, and we will always be the buyers getting it. And Tanki will get crystals, and returned their equipment after the due date of the week ends. If that is better, and resolves problems with trading, I will edit the concept of this!  ;) 

[Atlanta 181]

There also of the chance of abuse for example a player can transfer most of his crystals on main? Cause hes  renting his least wanted turrent to his backup and his backup looses crystals and his main gain crystals. :/ also let say an hacker comes in an account buy or loans an equipment from his main account the victim looses crystals and the hacker gain crystals soo i dont think this is a good idea

[nuclear_carrot 408]

nice concept. It could work well but as always there are its pros and cons. And yes I do think it would improve people banking skills i guess. :)  :)  :mellow:  :)

[Excyte 569]

Not always. Old players leave, new players come, so the game doesn't have to constantly get more complex to keep players interested. New features are good, but they need to make the game fun and diverse, rather than complicated.

 

Examples of good ideas: achievements system, special abilities for hulls, new game modes, moving props in maps.

Examples of bad ideas: loan and savings system, vertical aiming for all turrets, manual gearbox in tanks, custom protections for paints.

Totally agree with you! (And now daily missions are coming it will keep the old players, many players look forward to this update.)

[i200000 717]

Cool idea, but just no.

[r_Your-Daddy3 605]

Then this game will turn into a business.Every one will try to collect crystals by this business rather than playing in battles.This idea is not good nor bad,but this will ruin the game.