from FLASH Tanki Online to UNITY Tanki Online

[sobaka-ima-muhtar 0]

Yes, they will be two separate projects with the same theme. Flash Tanki Online will still be maintained, I think, but what the developers meant by "no more updates" is that they won't develop any new features or make major changes to the old game and instead they will focus on Unity.

 

 

From Hazel's comments about it in the Russian forum topic, as well as commentary from developers in the "city tour" event they did recently.

 

No, I have very little or no influence here.

but 2 kinds of game will be more expensiwe, won't it. So, game need more donate. It is bad. I think, then flash will die soon

[ariking777 940]

Hello dear tankers,

 

as you know (or may not know), Tanki Online on Flash will be closed relatively soon, may be in a month, may be in a few or more, but this is as certain as death and taxes.

The new engine will be Unity (though it also has its limitations in terms of browsers, which support it) and the developers tend to consider this new version as a new game, with completely new ranking system, new turrets/hulls specifications, new economics, etc.

This approach, treating the new version as a new project, will have numerous profound and mostly unpleasant consequences, the major of which are:

1. The developers have suggested (in the Russian forum), that all Unity players, new and coming from Flash, might have to start the Unity Tanki Online from scratch.

Players who want to migrate from TOF to TOU may lose many, if not all of their assets – crystals, supplies, scores, ranks, hulls, turrets, paints, microupgrades and ultimately such a move will wipe off the time and/or money invested to achieve all that.

1. Having newbies and experienced players starting to play together in Unity TO, will result in merciless domination of the old players over the noobs ... that is if any of the veterans swallows his pride and accepts to become a poor recruit again.
2. Donation in the “new” UTO will be probably very limited – after all who will want to invest money in a company that is so ignorant towards its supporters … and surely many of these supporters will feel abused and betrayed.
3. In the “new” UTO game, the old clans will probably be dismissed, then eventually re-established according to the new rules of the game, the new ranking and new specifications of the turrets and hulls.
4. I imagine, that when UTO appears, developers may still keep the FTO (might be even until the flash engine is alive), so anyone who doesn’t want to lose his achievements may stay there, but as all resources will be concentrated on Unity, the Flash version will suffer and probably slowly die due to lack of proper maintenance , lack of upgrades to the anti-cheat system, the gameplay and so on.

At the end, the inhabitants of the Flash servers will have to agonize along with it or move to the UTO and start it from zero or just quit the TO project.

 

 

Comments welcome !

Utter nonsense. Literally. It was mentioned innumerable times by Semyon Kirov and other Staff Members that Tanki will split into 2 main versions: a Unity Version, and a Flash Version. Players will be able to copy their account once from the current Flash Version to the Unity Version once it'll be released, but it will be possible to continue playing on the Flash Version rather than playing on the Unity one.

 

To sum it up - check out things you say before you blab about things you don't know. Even if that mistake wasn't really influential on the message you tried to convey, it looks quite bad that you write mistaken details; plus, I can bet that some of those who read what you've written were misled by it and didn't know it was in fact wrong.

 

 

EDIT: When I read what you wrote again, I couldn't remain silent while seeing the huge second mistake you made - you said that the ranking system and the Turrets/Hulls specification will be changed. This is completely wrong, and the exact opposite was said in Tanki's video from a year or two ago:

 

 

at 0:16 Semyon says:

"We are currently porting every parameter of every tank to a physics engine supported by Unity. The game mechanics, as well as Turret and Hull behavior, will be transferred to the new engine, staying completely faithful to the current game's functionality."

 

I think what I said is enough to prove you wrong.

Edited June 23, 2015 by ariking777

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

Utter nonsense. Literally. It was mentioned innumerable times by Semyon Kirov and other Staff Members that Tanki will split into 2 main versions: a Unity Version, and a Flash Version. Players will be able to copy their account once from the current Flash Version to the Unity Version once it'll be released, but it will be possible to continue playing on the Flash Version rather than playing on the Unity one.

 

To sum it up - check out things you say before you blab about things you don't know. Even if that mistake wasn't really influential on the message you tried to convey, it looks quite bad that you write mistaken details; plus, I can bet that some of those who read what you've written were misled by it and didn't know it was in fact wrong.

 

does flash really get down? :/

 

TO Flash will remain alongside with TO Unity. How long will it remain is up to players.

 

That means it can actually get closed.

[ariking777 940]

 

 

 

That means it can actually get closed.

 

Yeah :) I think it's already obvious that what he said is mistaken, misleading, and effectively useless....

[Mickey_Nickz 589]

so we have to start all over in TOU, no thanks i have better things to do with my life.

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Hazel-Rah, on 22 Jun 2015 - 18:23, said:

TO Flash will remain alongside with TO Unity. How long will it remain is up to players.

 

That means it can actually get closed.

 

"How long will it remain is up to players."

 

Yeah :) I think it's already obvious that what he said is mistaken, misleading, and effectively useless....

doesn 't mean that this topic can be closed, he meant if I 'm not mistaken

that TO Flash can be closed. (and will be IMO)

 

And @ariking777 I don 't want to disappoint you, but I believed the same about TO Unity as you still do...till yesterday.

 

I read parts of the Google translated Russian topic, especially Hazel-Rah 's replies and one thing is certain: nothing is certain.

Maybe for TO it is already, wouldn 't surprise me, but certainly not for us players.

One thing is certain though: the transfer to TO Unity doesn 't only imply better graphics with the game itself remaining the same

with us players simply transferring our accounts: as they let us believe all this time.

 

No, it will be a huge change and two seperate games really means seperate.

 

Keep believing in old fairy tales if you want, maybe age (no offence) is an issue here I don 't know,

but I would advice you to really open your eyes and read the info already available.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Lord-of-the-Snipers

[ariking777 940]

 

Hazel-Rah, on 22 Jun 2015 - 18:23, said:

"How long will it remain is up to players."

 

He doesn 't mean that this topic can be closed, he meant if I 'm not mistaken that TO Flash can be closed.

(and will be IMO)

 

And @ariking777 I don 't want to disappoint you, but I believed the same about TO Unity as you still do...till yesterday.

 

I read parts of the Google translated Russian topic, especially Hazel-Rah 's replies and one thing is certain: nothing is certain.

One thing is certain though: the transfer to TO Unity doesn 't only imply better graphics with the game itself remaining the same

with us players simply transferring our accounts as they let us believe all this time.

No it will be a huge change and two seperate games really means seperate.

 

Keep believing in old fairy tales if you want, maybe age is an issue here I don 't know,

but I would acvice you to really open your eyes and read the info already available.

 

Nope. I read that topic too, and from what I understood, those will be two separate games (ranking and those on Unity won't apply on Flash, and the opposite), but we'll be able to copy our accounts. I may be wrong at the end, but that's what I understood as it was clearly said.

 

And about age - I don't know how it's related to this issue, but I actually DO think that it's quite unwise to throw everything on someone's age. If I am mistaken, it's not related to age.

Edited June 23, 2015 by ariking777

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

Hazel-Rah, on 22 Jun 2015 - 18:23, said:

"How long will it remain is up to players."

 

doesn 't mean that this topic can be closed, he meant if I 'm not mistaken

that TO Flash can be closed. (and will be IMO)

 

 its not SLightLy, its Siightiy :P

Edited June 23, 2015 by LeIouch_Vi_Britannia

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Nope. I read that topic too, and from what I understood, those will be two separate games (ranking and those on Unity won't apply on Flash, and the opposite), but we'll be able to copy our accounts. I may be wrong at the end, but that's what I understood as it was clearly said.

 

And about age - I don't know how it's related to this issue, but I actually DO think that it's quite unwise to throw everything on someone's age. If I am mistaken, it's not related to age.

I am not throwing everything on someone 's age. I only implied it can have an influence on an opinion.

You can be even 50 AFAIK!

 

What if I may ask do you consider an account?

1. Nickname?

2. Nickname and achievements/ranking?

3. 1. and 2. including the garage you 've build up in time?

 

I would personally choose number 3, I guess you too: but I 'm not sure what TO will choose from what

I have read.

And I really spend quite some time reading the Russian Forum, just like you.

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

 its not SLightLy, its Siightiy :P

Well, it was a rather quick rank-up wasn 't it?

 

No need to thank me....Congratz!!! :P

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

Well, it was a rather quick rank-up wasn 't it?

 

No need to thank me....Congratz!!! :P

Yeah you ranked me twice in a sec :lol:

thanks baws :D

[kayitsiz 621]

As I said, this game is too simple than it should be!  :angry: There are less thing to do or ... anyway

So, player base gets the end-game too quick, than players start to make a group which is made by end-game players.

This players don't need to invest any money, this is bad for Tanki.

 

Instead of the hard way(finding a new way to make them soend money), they prefer easier one:

Delete them!  :angry:  :angry:

 

 

But C'mon! :P They can't be that crazy!! Whichever game deleted all accounts have bankrupted! :lol:

 

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

I would like to see that happens,I really would :) there are many of us who are familiar with gaming sites,all we need to do is share truth about what's going on here (or what happened) on those sites,personally,I'll make sure that every single trick they played on us will be reveiled..then,we'll see how many "new" players and customers they'll have ;) since the beggining of "Unity project" they made us beleive that we will not lose any of our accomplishments (including garage) in new version..if that happens,RIP devs,because,I promise you,Unity will "live" less time then time you spend to make it..or ur server peak won't be bigger then 10k..truth will be known..I promise you again :) too many time/money was spended here by many of players ..making this step,to ignore everything build up in flash,will be beggining of your downfall..I'm 100% sure :)

Edited June 23, 2015 by xXx.RazoR.xXx

[kayitsiz 621]

I would like to see that happens,I really would :) there are many of us who are familiar with gaming sites,all we need to do is share truth about what's going on here (or what happened) on those sites,personally,I'll make sure that every single trick they played on us will be reveiled..then,we'll see how many "new" players and customers they'll have ;) since the beggining of "Unity project" they made us beleive that we will not lose any of our accomplishments (including garage) in new version..if that happens,RIP devs,because,I promise you,Unity will "live" less time then time you spend to make it..or ur server peak won't be bigger then 10k..truth will be known..I promise you again :) too many time/money was spended here by many of players ..making this step,to ignore everything build up in flash,will be beggining of your downfall..I'm 100% sure :)

But they can rise it again, just like how they did at the start of this game!  :(

[ariking777 940]

I am not throwing everything on someone 's age. I only implied it can have an influence on an opinion.

You can be even 50 AFAIK!

 

What if I may ask do you consider an account?

1. Nickname?

2. Nickname and achievements/ranking?

3. 1. and 2. including the garage you 've build up in time?

 

I would personally choose number 3, I guess you too: but I 'm not sure what TO will choose from what

I have read.

And I really spend quite some time reading the Russian Forum, just like you.

I'd say that transferring an account means transferring all its data, including the nickname, the amount of Crystals, the Garage, and the XP count (thus the rank).

[LeIouch_Vi_Britannia 6,163]

But they can rise it again, just like how they did at the start of this game!  :(

They didnt do these things back then

[RustyNail 1,538]

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This is a false statement/mentality. 90% of people who invest money in the game are very skilled. It's a simple thing:

 

Buyer mentality:

• I like this game
• I'm good at this game
• I'm going to be playing it for quite a while
• I can justify spending a few bucks on it.

For that reason, most, and I mean a vast most, of the "buyers" are very skilled. Not because they bought skill, but because they were able to justify buying by being skilled. That's not to say that there aren't some out there who do try to buy skill, because there are, ;), but that small percentage is quickly going to realize that they wasted their money, and stop.

 

I spent money on this game because I loved playing it, and I knew I was going to be playing it for a long time. I didn't spend money on this game because I thought I needed too. I spent money because I loved the game, and now I'm going to be given nothing for it when the new version comes out. But those of you who just played the game and never contributed monetarily will be just fine, if this decision is made.

It's kind of like doing a large favor for someone, and having them turn and spit in your face when they get the chance.

 

I appreciate your opinion but I disagree.

What you call a "buyer's mentality" is just theoretical, there are other existing mentalities as well.

Such as..

- I like the game

- I can't compete in this game

- my dady earns big $$$

- I can get the best tank and blow some yockers away

 

Just one out of numerous mentalities.

What I usually meet is a medium or low skill with the best equipment plus tons of supplies. Those that don't turn the turret is not 5% buτ 50% or more.

 

However, it's not always about low skill but about bad ethics as well. Spoiled brats tend to use other people as objects. Even more in a game.

And it's not your own motives and mentality same with others' by default.

 

Those bad ethics I mentioned, would be the most "unlucky", should the Unity TO deletes the garage and have us all start from the beginning. A kind of Divine Judgment.

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

I'd say that transferring an account means transferring all its data, including the nickname, the amount of Crystals, the Garage, and the XP count (thus the rank).

Fair enough. I can only say that I really, really hope you 're right!

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

But they can rise it again, just like how they did at the start of this game!  :(

there are many people who,before they start game read gaming sites to inform about particular game..not all of course,but possible customers do,and that's what matters most..people will know what happened here (if they decide that ALL players start from scratch)..do you really think that possible buyer will spend money in game which will eventually erase their all progress (judging on expirience of players who used to play it)???

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

 

Those bad ethics I mentioned, would be the most "unlucky", should the Unity TO deletes the garage and have us all start from the beginning. A kind of Divine Judgment.

fully agreed  :)

 

I really think,that if they make such suicidal move,they'll lost massive player base..MASSIVE..not to mention customers..

[ariking777 940]

fully agreed  :)

 

I really think,that if they make such suicidal move,they'll lost massive player base..MASSIVE..not to mention customers..

I don't think it's Divine Judgement or anything, but I think that if Tanki really makes everyone start from scratch, it can be sued by all those buyers who wasted their money. And such a lawsuit will probably be accepted.

Edited June 23, 2015 by ariking777

[RustyNail 1,538]

You don't seriously believe the new Tanki will be better for non-buyers (those that "invested only effort and skill")..? As in the last couple of years, the move will be towards a buyer's game. Hard to believe they won't take the chance of raising prices, less freebies etc., to make it tougher competing without spending money...

 

As for the plans to not allow the transfer of accounts to TO Unity, it truly is a unique way of offending current customers, and that without any real need. No matter how different TO Unity will be, gotta give your customers a chance to move their existing accounts, as a matter of self-interest actually. Should be obvious, but it seems the TO marketing department (is there any?) is not on top of their game..

 

...

 

I certainly don't believe that new Tanki will be better for non buyers than what it will be for buyers. It's not that what I said.

What I said is that buyers and especially top buyers will have more to lose in old Tanki and in new Tanki if they won't be able to transfer more than their nick-name. I refer to garage and crystals (money) spend in items.

It's obvious that those who spend hundreds of dollars / euros etc will lose them all, while those that spend only 20 bucks or none, will practically lose nothing.

 

As for the question what will happen eventually, after such bad treatment from Tanki Administration, I am almost to the point I don't care.

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

I don't think it's Divine Judgement or anything, but I think that if Tanki really makes everyone start from scratch, it can be sued by all those buyers who wasted their money. And such a lawsuit will probably be accepted.

that's why EULA exists..you can't do ANYTHING..by accepting EULA (you accpeted it when you started to play,or later,after they made accepting it mandatory to continue playing) you accepted everything they wan't to do..get it?..this is more moral question then technical..

[RustyNail 1,538]

Though I agree with your overall view, the "certain moral issue" you bring forward is flawed.

 

A "free" to play game needs income, otherwise there will be no "free" to play game.

Now you might probably say: I always played for free: well, I 'm ok with that. Always been.

 

Now let 's look at TO as being the government of a country. Every country needs people to work so they earn money

and are able to pay taxes.

Besides this most people want to work, it brings a lot more benefits than just income.

The social aspect and "having something to do" not being the least of them. 

 

Every country has people who simply can 't work and people who simply don 't want to work.

Also ok with me, because studies have shown that those who don 't want to work at all are a small minority.

People like free time, but not all the time to make it short.

 

The taxes paid by the working people enable the government of a country to give the smaller group who

can 't (temporarily) work or doesn 't want to work a decent income so they can make a living.

(personally I think these so called unemployment benefits are often too low, but that 's another story)

 

This is a good system and nobody has to be ashamed or proud: worker or non-worker.

As long as most people want to work the system won 't collapse and everyone deserves to have a

nice place under the sun.

 

Though I deeply despise the type of non-worker who looks with contempt at workers like they are crazy.

Again there is no need for gratitude towards the workers who maintain the system, because workers

don 't work to "maintain the system" it 's just a result of doing daily work and paying taxes.

 

No gratitude asked or needed but I certainly don 't believe that workers deserve to be spit on.

 

In a similar way I look at buyers and non-buyers at Tanki Online.

Show some respect for each other please.

 

 

Another quote: "All those, on the contrary, that invested only effort and skill, will lose less in old Tanki and advance faster in new Tanki."

 

Your actually saying here that buyers don 't invest in effort and skill, time not even mentioned.

Yes, there is a group of buyers who get decent results by only having superior equipment.

For example a high ranker who still can 't turn the turret of his tank.

There is also a large group of buyers who do have well developed skills.

Buying doesn 't rule out skills nor effort.

Dude, you have misunderstood all that I said.

Please, read again and try not to apply in terms of politics this situation. :)

 

To make a long story short, I tell you that I am a small buyer.

But, unlike some spoiled brats that like to crash everybody else, I believe even non buyers have the right to enjoy this game. Tanki administration though, does not share this belief.

 

Finally, I don't say that buyers don't invest in effort and skill, that's what you "see" when you read what I wrote. I refer only to money to show what they (top buyers) have to lose, unlike non buyers.

Should Tanki deletes our garages, that will be a fact, not an opinion. :)

[ariking777 940]

that's why EULA exists..you can't do ANYTHING..by accepting EULA (you accpeted it when you started to play,or later,after they made accepting it mandatory to continue playing) you accepted everything they wan't to do..get it?..this is more moral question then technical..

The EULA does narrow what can be done against such a radical thing if Tanki does it, but the law still exists... Even if the EULA says so, it's illegal to be payed by someone, to give him something, and then to take it from him. That's called renting, and it's not the case here.