In Defense of Supplies

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

I disagree with the spamming part, liberator.

Edited July 8, 2015 by sonofchrysalis3

[L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R 218]

^It was just a exaggeration. But soon enough, most pony that uses them tends to get 'addicted to 1-2-3-4-5' and dominate battles. It's a matter of time it becomes a necessity. A little bit of this... a little bit of that. Just don't forget the drug count, lol.

 

The spirit of winning is so refreshing to have every game. -_- :ph34r:

Edited July 8, 2015 by L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

Ah.  You had me confused there.

 

And you kinda still do.

Edited July 12, 2015 by sonofchrysalis3

[faroseh 442]

Great Article!

If your friend wont pick up boxes and drug then he/she should play pro battles and turn off bonus boxes + Supplies to not face druggers ..

 

Picking Bonus Boxes is really normal

 

He/She should get used on drugging..When she reaches some high ranks like Major then most people would drug in normal battles.

 

I think he/she would have more than 200 drugs each now as she didn't use them for a long time..

[7919zola 252]

As for you friend Lollytwist, I commend Lolly on her self-imposed technique/etiquette, as well as your chronicling of it. You don't find a plethora of players willing to abstain from 'drugging' of any degree; or completely, for that matter. 

 

As for the topic itself, I thought "topics about specific players" was against the Section Rules. Not that I strongly desire for the topic to be closed, but just an honest assumption. Please correct me if mistaken.

[genak138 950]

Please correct me if mistaken.

This article is not actually about Lollytwist. She was simply an example off of which Stratus based his argument ;)

[sha77777_super 877]

I love reading your articles!

Good Job stratus  :)

Edited July 16, 2015 by sha77777_super

[Darren4Turbo 4,913]

Amazing article :D

[Brubook 1,161]

A good game is based on the balance. A good monetization method is to avoid directly selling power, while the easier and with "immediate" cashback is selling power. The last has shorter life.

 

Drugs heavily unbalance the game. In a free-to-play game selling power is the worst thing you can do.

Tanki is making the game a free-to-loose and pay-to-win game, as the sold power unbalance can decide any battle.

 

And I agree with your friend's ethic or etiquette or whatever name you gave to that fairness feeling she talked about.

 

Talking back about monetization, there are many solution to make money while avoiding selling power, as described in this post http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957 (that L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R mentioned)

[RustyNail 1,538]

@sonofchrysalis3

Actually, more or less your friend's moral sense is stronger than yours.

I like her.

I don't agree 100% with her, but I do more than 70%.

I 'd advice you to try and comprehend her attitude and maybe learn a thing or two by that.

And by the way, Alternativa's decision to establish such a plying environment in Tanki has lead many players to abandon this byers-only game. Maybe, many more in the near future.

[Tiramisu 172]

Well written topic.

I like her stubborn temper and respect of fair play, cause I always thought that our temper in game reflects our lifestyle.

She has chosen the hard path, following her ideal without vacillating. She can be a leader more than the 99% of players, cause she blindly believes on her moral ethics. There are players who would follow her if she creates a club or something like that, but she wouldn't follow anyone cause her mind is clear and she doesn't need an example to follow. She IS a model to follow (for those who want to follow those ethics in game).

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

 

A good game is based on the balance. A good monetization method is to avoid directly selling power, while the easier and with "immediate" cashback is selling power. The last has shorter life.

 

Drugs heavily unbalance the game. In a free-to-play game selling power is the worst thing you can do.

Tanki is making the game a free-to-loose and pay-to-win game, as the sold power unbalance can decide any battle.

 

And I agree with your friend's ethic or etiquette or whatever name you gave to that fairness feeling she talked about.

 

Talking back about monetization, there are many solution to make money while avoiding selling power, as described in this post http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957 (that L.I.B.E.R.A.T.O.R mentioned)

 

 

 

@sonofchrysalis3

Actually, more or less your friend's moral sense is stronger than yours.

I like her.

I don't agree 100% with her, but I do more than 70%.

I 'd advice you to try and comprehend her attitude and maybe learn a thing or two by that.

And by the way, Alternativa's decision to establish such a plying environment in Tanki has lead many players to abandon this byers-only game. Maybe, many more in the near future.

Am I the only one who noticed that Daily Missions give supplies?

 

And Daily Missions are, uh, FREE!

 

"Oh but Stratus they don't give very many!" Then save them up and use them wisely.

 

Or buy some. Have you ever actually looked at crystal prices? They are so cheap! I bought 10,000 crystals with the same amount of money that I would've spent on a 16-ounce soda.

[Eragon 13,876]

Lots of stories like this these days... Can't create anything original so you just copy each other?  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :P

[RustyNail 1,538]

Am I the only one who noticed that Daily Missions give supplies?

 

And Daily Missions are, uh, FREE!

 

"Oh but Stratus they don't give very many!" Then save them up and use them wisely.

 

Or buy some. Have you ever actually looked at crystal prices? They are so cheap! I bought 10,000 crystals with the same amount of money that I would've spent on a 16-ounce soda.

Dude, something's wrong with your seeing or your understanding.

Daily bonus was free. Daily missions are NOT free. The require an amount of time and often unwanted battles as a price.

 

But never mind that.

Since you look at the price of the supplies kits, why don't you go a step further? Try to calculate the actual value of each supply in regard to the crystals earned.

Every supply spend actually lessens the value of the crystals earned. [say, for instance, that you spend 200 crystal worth of supplies in order to earn 300 crystals in a battle. In reality, you earn only 100 crystals. The rest 200 are given back to the company.]

Thus, Tanki has lessen very much the funds given to players. Even you can realize that, don't you?

Drops - only battles are the best, not only from economy point of view but from game balance point of view.

Come on, do the maths.

 

EDIT: And just because you mention a soda, let me remind you that monetary values are NOT the same worldwide. One man's soda is another one's daily work. Tanki has adjusted crystals cost for Russians only, while for everybody else it's the same. And in Netherlands (i.e.) the daily wage is 15 times the Bulgarian daily wage... How about that...

Edited October 20, 2015 by RustyNail

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

Dude, something's wrong with your seeing or your understanding.

Daily bonus was free. Daily missions are NOT free. The require an amount of time and often unwanted battles as a price.

 

But never mind that.

Since you look at the price of the supplies kits, why don't you go a step further? Try to calculate the actual value of each supply in regard to the crystals earned.

Every supply spend actually lessens the value of the crystals earned. [say, for instance, that you spend 200 crystal worth of supplies in order to earn 300 crystals in a battle. In reality, you earn only 100 crystals. The rest 200 are given back to the company.]

Thus, Tanki has lessen very much the funds given to players. Even you can realize that, don't you?

Drops - only battles are the best, not only from economy point of view but from game balance point of view.

Come on, do the maths.

 

EDIT: And just because you mention a soda, let me remind you that monetary values are NOT the same worldwide. One man's soda is another one's daily work. Tanki has adjusted crystals cost for Russians only, while for everybody else it's the same. And in Netherlands (i.e.) the daily wage is 15 times the Bulgarian daily wage... How about that...

Dude, something's wrong with your... well, absolutely everything.

 

Do you play Tanki? If so, then YES, Daily Missions are free. You pay nothing to get them unless you click the "change" button twice, and they give you gifts in return. You are getting free gifts.

 

Pardon me as I do the (ahem) "maths" of supply usage:

 

1.) You have X amount of crystals.

2.) You receive 2 repair kits for completing a mission during a battle. Repair kits are 150cry apiece.

3.) You receive 200 crystals from the battle fund.

4.) During the course of the battle, you used 1 Repair kit.

5.) You still wound up with 200 extra crystals at the end of the battle.

 

Uber-duh.

 

By your "maths", I am supposed to calculate the Repair kits as an extra 300cry gained. But, if I never use them, what's the point? They are just sitting there, never to be utilized.

 

"OOH OOH OOH and they could be utilized if Tanki would just ban supplies and give us the crystals instead!" Or one could just accept the supplies the way one does in every other game.

 

And as for your EDIT, if a guy can't afford to buy a soda, then how does he have the money to buy the internet access necessary to play this game?

[The-Operator219 1,929]

I don't support them, but I don't like using them.

It's lukewarm for me.

 

Once I reach the higher ranks I'll stick to PRO battles with them off.

 

Also, I envy your friend's level of self control.

Edited October 20, 2015 by The-Operator219

[RustyNail 1,538]

Dude, something's wrong with your... well, absolutely everything.

 

Do you play Tanki? If so, then YES, Daily Missions are free. You pay nothing to get them unless you click the "change" button twice, and they give you gifts in return. You are getting free gifts.

 

Pardon me as I do the (ahem) "maths" of supply usage:

 

1.) You have X amount of crystals.

2.) You receive 2 repair kits for completing a mission during a battle. Repair kits are 150cry apiece.

3.) You receive 200 crystals from the battle fund.

4.) During the course of the battle, you used 1 Repair kit.

5.) You still wound up with 200 extra crystals at the end of the battle.

 

Uber-duh.

 

By your "maths", I am supposed to calculate the Repair kits as an extra 300cry gained. But, if I never use them, what's the point? They are just sitting there, never to be utilized.

 

"OOH OOH OOH and they could be utilized if Tanki would just ban supplies and give us the crystals instead!" Or one could just accept the supplies the way one does in every other game.

 

And as for your EDIT, if a guy can't afford to buy a soda, then how does he have the money to buy the internet access necessary to play this game?

LOL you are saying total nonsense.

(for example, we are talking drugging and you bring as an example some guy that plays a whole battle that gives him 200 crystals spending only one repair kit..??... lol shi fi staff)

Probably ... no, I won't try to explain the source of your supposed incompetence in understanding.

 

I suggest you read some players' topics on the matter, such as Brubook, Canadian_Eh, AbsoluteZero, DidYouKnowThat, ArgentHellion, creeperskelly, FogOfWar_XXX and others... a good start being the sum up ot this topic

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&p=4714520

(and make sure you 've got the definition of drugging right before you attempt to defend it)

having said that, I wish you good night and a proper widening of your views... as well as your math skills. :rolleyes:

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

THIS IS HILARIOUS!  :lol:  :lol:

 

Permit me to cut this off before it gets any further... or funnier. I don't think I could stand that.

 

1.) The majority of players do not dislike the use of the 1,2,3,4, or 5 buttons to activate supplies.

 

Unless, of course, an opponent uses one, and then it's "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! THEY TRIED TO WIN AGAINST ME!"

 

2.) The majority of players either use supplies or would if they knew how.

 

Therefore, the game is imbalanced by the players who refuse to use supplies.

 

Tanki will never, ever limit or get rid of them. They would be ruining the game if they did.

 

And even if they did, the players who are now screaming for the end of supplies would still be in the same predicament, because they aren't losing due to supplies. They are losing due to the fact that they just can't win.

 

And so, my message to the anti-kit crowd: buy a pro pass, because your supply-less utopia won't come any other way.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

THIS IS HILARIOUS!  :lol:  :lol:

 

Permit me to cut this off before it gets any further... or funnier. I don't think I could stand that.

 

1.) The majority of players do not dislike the use of the 1,2,3,4, or 5 buttons to activate supplies.

 

Unless, of course, an opponent uses one, and then it's "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! THEY TRIED TO WIN AGAINST ME!"

 

2.) The majority of players either use supplies or would if they knew how.

 

Therefore, the game is imbalanced by the players who refuse to use supplies.

 

Tanki will never, ever limit or get rid of them. They would be ruining the game if they did.

 

And even if they did, the players who are now screaming for the end of supplies would still be in the same predicament, because they aren't losing due to supplies. They are losing due to the fact that they just can't win.

 

And so, my message to the anti-kit crowd: buy a pro pass, because your supply-less utopia won't come any other way.

I only use them when I need them, like speed boost when running with the flag.

What people complain about is when a Wasp-Smoky goes into your base fully drugged JUST to kill and annoy.

I'm unclear on your opinion on said Wasp, but to me it's not right.

Even if the supplies were removed, people would complain, you're right there.

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

Even if the supplies were removed, people would complain

If I could like your comment twice, I would. You have stricken the nail on the proverbial head! The trolling minority on this site will not be satisfied when something they hate on around the clock is removed; they will simply find something else to hate on.

 

I can't imagine having to live like that, in a constant state of anger and hatred. It must be terrible.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

If I could like your comment twice, I would. You have stricken the nail on the proverbial head! The trolling minority on this site will not be satisfied when something they hate on around the clock is removed; they will simply find something else to hate on.

 

I can't imagine having to live like that, in a constant state of anger and hatred. It must be terrible.

If by constant state of anger you mean all of the butthurt veterans of the game complaining about the removal of the ------- boxes, yeah.

It could also refer to my pent-up rage from being a non-drugger.

Sadly, I feel like I'll be a martyr for a while.

 

Keep writing awesome articles and I'll keep supporting you, ciao.

[AnduinFX 8]

Gee, your friend sure has a hard time here in the world of arcade tank simulation.

 

I pity your troubled past. One of your colleagues gave me one of your selfies.

 

Given your physical appearance, it's not hard to see why you weren't welcome. (source: Bogleech) But IMO, you look cool.

 

I can infer from your post that you are using a fictional friend to mimic those purists that actively shun supplies -- and end up being brutally owned every match they play in. I agree that we won't be able play comfortably without supplies.

 

Great job, giant-magic-mythical-creature-from-pyroland. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your posts.

 

But you don't seem to be hitting the point. We're not complaining about the existence of supplies, we're complaining about the "abusive" use of supplies. BTW, the term "abusive" is subjective and it can mean anything from an enemy popping a DD to try and WIN against you to a M4 Mammoth drugging in order to wipe your team and ruin your day. Yep. It varies from person to person.

 

Just like you (probably; I hope that you use supplies wisely), I tend to exercise self-restraint and refrain from mashing the number keys unless there's a mad drugger in the game and I want to have a go at him/her. (or surviving the melee prior to the dropping of the gold box/ capturing a flag while on low health with Viking)

 

Yes, you are right. Some people will simply keep cussing over how they're underperforming, supplies or not.

Edited October 21, 2015 by AnduinFX

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

Gee, your friend sure has a hard time here in the world of arcade tank simulation.

 

I pity your troubled past. One of your colleagues gave me one of your selfies.

 

Given your physical appearance, it's not hard to see why you weren't welcome. (source: Bogleech) But IMO, you look cool.

 

I can infer from your post that you are using a fictional friend to mimic those purists that actively shun supplies -- and end up being brutally owned every match they play in. I agree that we won't be able play comfortably without supplies.

 

Great job, giant-magic-mythical-creature-from-pyroland. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your posts.

 

But you don't seem to be hitting the point. We're not complaining about the existence of supplies, we're complaining about the "abusive" use of supplies. BTW, the term "abusive" is subjective and it can mean anything from an enemy popping a DD to try and WIN against you to a M4 Mammoth drugging in order to wipe your team and ruin your day. Yep. It varies from person to person.

 

Just like you (probably; I hope that you use supplies wisely), I tend to exercise self-restraint and refrain from mashing the number keys unless there's a mad drugger in the game and I want to have a go at him/her. (or surviving the melee prior to the dropping of the gold box/ capturing a flag while on low health with Viking)

 

Yes, you are right. Some people will simply keep cussing over how they're underperforming, supplies or not.

Three things:

 

WHO GAVE YOU THAT PICTURE?!

 

Exactly as you asked, where does one draw the line between using supplies and abusing them?

 

Answer: whenever an opponent uses them to beat him, that's when.

 

And yes, I use supplies wisely.  :D 

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Lol she can come in my battles I can rank in a day!(not really I would be nice and let her get a few kills)

[Tiramisu 172]

Lol she can come in my battles I can rank in a day!(not really I would be nice and let her get a few kills)

If you wanted to get better on the second part of the sentence, you just did worse.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Tiramisu