Important Changes in Daily Missions Rewards

[ChineseTankMan 98]

And that is why what you write has very little merrit. You cover your eyes when you come across things you don't like. It's one thing to refute arguments with facts. In fact you could have more information that would clarify the situation, but instead sharing it, you lower yourself to childish remarks, like that above, and completely ignore any facts that threaten your world view, which is proven out further by your following comment.

 

You try to make it sound like you are so intellegent, but it is quite clear from this and other comments that you have made, that you are fully behind anything that the developers do, no matter what it is.  I also believe that there is a strong possibility that you must have some kind of ties to them in order to put forth the remarks you have. So I will say this, if they continue down this path of shutting down every avenue that, shall we say, less fortunate players can level up their equipment, then in time most people will tire of the game and it will fail. And sad to say, one of the funnest tank games I've played will fade away.

 

In answer to your earlier comment,.... for the most part, the one thing I admire most about this game is that the developers have been very good about countering hackers and that is why I like it so much. Having endured games where hacking is rampant this is indeed a refresh change. Also Drugging is the one thing that does unbalance the game more than anything else. But like I said earlier that will never change because the developers make too much money off it. That is why we no longer have the option to exclude it unless you're willing to PAY for a pro pass.

 

Oh by the way, you still didn't answer my question about how much drugging you do in the game.

 

 

And when people use absolutist words (ie/ always, every, all, etcetera), they are trying to mask to the undiscerning that they are lying and trying to divert attention away from the truth.

 

 

Now, in response to your accusation:

 

- I have shared instances in chat and in these forums when I disagree with Tanki, whether partially or completely!

- so you either haven't bothered to read what I've typed or you enjoy lying ...thanks.

[ChineseTankMan 98]

BTW: I do not automatically favour authority nor do I automatically favour going against authority.

And before anyone accuses me of anything and insists with absolutist words, please first read what I've typed because so far I've noticed that I've already made comments in these Tanki forum threads that answer them. For those that are vets with Tanki forum, you already know how to find them. ;)

[ramkk_the_crazy 3]

Actually, if you bothered to read my responses to others you'll have noticed that I have too frequently gone into deep consideration of what the other person had to say.

But based on this person's introduction, the initial attitude of their wording, and my experiences and observations of others (plus what psychology points out), I responded the way I did for those very reasons.

Dude, you are just making up a bunch of reasons for supporting your own statement.

 

First of all, the two reasons wording, attitude, are they really the most crucial point in analyzing one's argument. Does a bad mannered or a arrogant person never have the right reasoning? or does an illiterate or persistent user of abusive tongue never have said anything right? 

 

Plus you are adding two more arbitrary reasons like 'your experience' and 'psychology, which you are using to protect your previously unwarranted statements.  If you have another opinion your is welcome to say, but if you say his way of argument is psychologically wrong or attitude wise not likable, that doesn't simply make one's argument null. 

 

Now please don't start giving me all the bull**** of why 'I' am wrong? If you feel like negating that person's opinion, the one which had the long argument/conspiracy in question, please do so in detail. or JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and accept you don't have time or the focus to read the complete argument.

[Dliver 436]

Now, in response to your accusation:

 

- I have shared instances in chat and in these forums when I disagree with Tanki, whether partially or completely!

- so you either haven't bothered to read what I've typed or you enjoy lying ...thanks.

I will say ...... no I have not read every post you have made, I am only responding to your posts on this topic.

As to lying.... something I avoid at all costs.

I'm also humble enough to admit I'm wrong if proven wrong

 

Oh by the way did you read what you typed out when you said "so you either haven't bothered to read what I've typed" when you admitted earlier that you didn't completely read that other guy's post?

Edited August 2, 2015 by Dliver

[Capable 4,614]

wow.

 

........

 

I don't wanna do my missions.

[ChineseTankMan 98]

I will say ...... no I have not read every post you have made, I am only responding to your posts on this topic.

As to lying.... something I avoid at all costs.

I'm also humble enough to admit I'm wrong if proven wrong

 

Oh by the way did you read what you typed out when you said "so you either haven't bothered to read what I've typed" when you admitted earlier that you didn't completely read that other guy's post?

 

 

Good I"m glad for you.

BTW: I'm humble enough to admit I'm wrong when I realize I'm wrong, regardless of whether it's proven to me or not. :)

 

 

And yes, I considered what I typed before I typed it.

Did you bother to think about what I typed?

I never used absolutist words or told people to trust me or told people that the act of disagreeing with me automatically makes them wrong.

Well, this is what that guy essentially did.

 

So, within the disclaimers I laid out, unlike some others here, I haven't been a hypocrite. Thanks.

Edited August 2, 2015 by ChineseTankMan

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Dude, you are just making up a bunch of reasons for supporting your own statement.

 

First of all, the two reasons wording, attitude, are they really the most crucial point in analyzing one's argument. Does a bad mannered or a arrogant person never have the right reasoning? or does an illiterate or persistent user of abusive tongue never have said anything right? 

 

Plus you are adding two more arbitrary reasons like 'your experience' and 'psychology, which you are using to protect your previously unwarranted statements.  If you have another opinion your is welcome to say, but if you say his way of argument is psychologically wrong or attitude wise not likable, that doesn't simply make one's argument null. 

 

Now please don't start giving me all the bull**** of why 'I' am wrong? If you feel like negating that person's opinion, the one which had the long argument/conspiracy in question, please do so in detail. or JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and accept you don't have time or the focus to read the complete argument.

 

 

You're being a hypocrite here.

You insist that only your views be accepted and expressed but that those (ie/ me) who disagree are to not express disagreement?

 

Have you noticed that I never said anywhere that anyone (or any specific individual) should not be allowed to type whatever, even whatever is completely contrary to what I type?

 

Good, because I'm not a hypocrite.

 

And it wasn't about whether the person uses swear words or not but rather, see what I typed most recently to Dliver just above this. Thanks.

 

BTW: I already countered that person's points before he even posted them.

And Tanki warned me earlier today that I cannot keep quoting my comments or else I won't be allowed to continue typing.

So instead of my quoting what I previously said, please go look them up for yourselves. Thanks :D

Edited August 2, 2015 by ChineseTankMan

[ramkk_the_crazy 3]

You're being a hypocrite here.

You insist that only your views be accepted and expressed but that those (ie/ me) who disagree are to not express disagreement?

 

with this statement, you are just as wrong as you were anywhere else on this thread...If you disagree with something, you are free to say it...but if you disagree with one's argument style, you say only "that", but hold yourself from not passing any unjustified remarks on the reasoning of the whole argument.

What you are doing here is, you are simply throwing an entire argument out of the window just because of the style of conveyance. let's consider that you are an educated fellow from an uni/college, would your professor just strike out your whole essay on a financial/economical topic because of the style. He wouldn't, would he?!

Have you noticed that I never said anywhere that anyone (or any specific individual) should not be allowed to type whatever, even whatever is completely contrary to what I type?

 

Good, because I'm not a hypocrite. 

 

You are simply trying to hold/build your moral high ground with this statement, which is not there.

I don't have to 'forever' notice you, I just have to read single post from you to judge your scale of hypocrisy. You have published a statement, that a person's point of view is wrong, without even reading it. Isn't that hypocritical enough for you?

 

 

And it wasn't about whether the person uses swear words or not but rather, see what I typed most recently to Dliver just above this. Thanks.

 

You are just making a mess of an argument here!! citing yourself and claiming that you have made amendments for your previously wrong/inadequate statements, it just shows how you want to project your self righteousnesses, intelligence  and correctness even when you are wrong. You are simply adding more and more arbitrary supporting statements like to your original baseless accusation.   

 

The reason I quoted your message is, because I don't want to make a rubbery mess of discussion by simply replying to your most recent post. Instead of sticking to your initial point of view, you are adding more and more web of garbage to your one single false accusation.  

The single question that stands here, Can an argument be judged just by the style or writing or the words being used?  NO. FACT.

 

Edited August 2, 2015 by ramkk_the_crazy

[ChineseTankMan 98]

 

You're being a hypocrite here.

You insist that only your views be accepted and expressed but that those (ie/ me) who disagree are to not express disagreement?

 

with this statement, you are just as wrong as you were anywhere else on this thread...If you disagree with something, you are free to say it...but if you disagree with one's argument style, you say only "that", but hold yourself from not passing any unjustified remarks on the reasoning of the whole argument.

What you are doing here is, you are simply throwing an entire argument out of the window just because of the style of conveyance. let's consider that you are an educated fellow from an uni/college, would your professor just strike out your whole essay on a financial/economical topic because of the style. He wouldn't, would he?!

 

No, Rmmk, you earlier told me, and I quote: "JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT", so now you lie yet again. (you Posted on 02 Aug 2015 - 03:31)

 

Have you noticed that I never said anywhere that anyone (or any specific individual) should not be allowed to type whatever, even whatever is completely contrary to what I type?

 

Good, because I'm not a hypocrite. 

 

You are simply trying to hold/build your moral high ground with this statement, which is not there.

I don't have to 'forever' notice you, I just have to read single post from you to judge your scale of hypocrisy. You have published a statement, that a person's point of view is wrong, without even reading it. Isn't that hypocritical enough for you?

 

Rammk, you already lost your moral high ground and indirectly further elevated mine based on what I remind you above to your previous above response.

 

 

And it wasn't about whether the person uses swear words or not but rather, see what I typed most recently to Dliver just above this. Thanks.

 

You are just making a mess of an argument here!! citing yourself and claiming that you have made amendments for your previously wrong/inadequate statements, it just shows how you want to project your self righteousnesses, intelligence  and correctness even when you are wrong. You are simply adding more and more arbitrary supporting statements like to your original baseless accusation.   

 

 

Rammk, you already lost by lying, which I share above in response to your first response here.

 

 

The reason I quoted your message is, because I don't want to make a rubbery mess of discussion by simply replying to your most recent post. Instead of sticking to your initial point of view, you are adding more and more web of garbage to your one single false accusation.  

The single question that stands here, Can an argument be judged just by the style or writing or the words being used?  NO. FACT.

 

Rmmk, and there is no point in my FURTHER proving your incorrect assertions after I have shown a bold lie you have already made.

As you can see, it is quoted by me in response to your first response above in this post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now to bring in some temporary fake peace, I'll be blocking this account of yours so you're not tempted to troll me again, Rmmk.

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Instead of nerfing Daily Missions, they should have nerfed Vulcan M3(4).

[Meowmix56 174]

Hmm... A mission for 5 repair and 15 double armor boxes.  3 of them would be marginally better than the daily rewards.  Except the daily reward system was easier as you only had to log in.  Granted the initial quest rewards were overpowered but I'd argue that was a bait and switch to bribe people into accepting the new system.  I'd wonder if the rewards themselves were the only thing dialed back or if they also made crystal reward missions far less likely to pop up.  Has anyone else gotten fewer of them?

[ChineseTankMan 98]

I have, at least when changing my mission. With this new setup change, I only change once cuz I am not going to risk that much for something that pays even up if I win.

[ChineseTankMan 98]

I for one am glad for the mission rewards being reduced because the amount of cheating has skyrocketed due to hackers and saboteurs now having the crystals to frequently drug in addition to their cheating. :o

 

I wonder how many months till they run out so that we fair usage druggers who don't cheat can drug repel their nondrug sabotaging and hacking? :wacko:

[r_DidYouKnowThat0 1,662]

Hackers? What kinds of hackers?

And saboteurs? Many of them?

Haven't seen many at all. . . .  . . . You should take a video.

[drazeruzumaki 5,021]

I for one am glad for the mission rewards being reduced because the amount of cheating has skyrocketed due to hackers and saboteurs now having the crystals to frequently drug in addition to their cheating. :o

 

I wonder how many months till they run out so that we fair usage druggers who don't cheat can drug repel their nondrug sabotaging and hacking? :wacko:

hacker?

[creeperskelly 1,281]

It's been a long time since I have seen such a troll as CTM. Everyone please ignore it and don't feed it.

[destroyer780 22]

And that is why what you write has very little merrit. You cover your eyes when you come across things you don't like. It's one thing to refute arguments with facts. In fact you could have more information that would clarify the situation, but instead sharing it, you lower yourself to childish remarks, like that above, and completely ignore any facts that threaten your world view, which is proven out further by your following comment.

 

You try to make it sound like you are so intellegent, but it is quite clear from this and other comments that you have made, that you are fully behind anything that the developers do, no matter what it is.  I also believe that there is a strong possibility that you must have some kind of ties to them in order to put forth the remarks you have. So I will say this, if they continue down this path of shutting down every avenue that, shall we say, less fortunate players can level up their equipment, then in time most people will tire of the game and it will fail. And sad to say, one of the funnest tank games I've played will fade away.

 

In answer to your earlier comment,.... for the most part, the one thing I admire most about this game is that the developers have been very good about countering hackers and that is why I like it so much. Having endured games where hacking is rampant this is indeed a refreshing change. Also Drugging is the one thing that does unbalance the game more than anything else. But like I said earlier that will never change because the developers make too much money off it. That is why we no longer have the option to exclude it unless you're willing to PAY for a pro pass.

 

Oh by the way, you still didn't answer my question about how much drugging you do in the game.

 

 

And when people use absolutist words (ie/ always, every, all, etcetera), they are trying to mask to the undiscerning that they are lying and trying to divert attention away from the truth.

 

 

Now, in response to your accusation:

 

- I have shared instances in chat and in these forums when I disagree with Tanki, whether partially or completely!

- so you either haven't bothered to read what I've typed or you enjoy lying ...thanks.

Guys, I don't know why you are fighting, but you guys are going completely off topic, how about we drop this subject and forget it, that way no one will have to get their feelings hurt.

[Dliver 436]

I for one am glad for the mission rewards being reduced because the amount of cheating has skyrocketed due to hackers and saboteurs now having the crystals to frequently drug in addition to their cheating. :o

 

I wonder how many months till they run out so that we fair usage druggers who don't cheat can drug repel their nondrug sabotaging and hacking? :wacko:

 

Give it a rest ChineseTankMan, and by the way I spent a little time scanning back through your other posts. You are a Drugger, though you try to seemingly qualify that statement by saying, Only if the other guy drugs first (kind of a childish reasoning don't you think), which I highly doubt is the case given they way you have been a pitbull in your reactions to differing opinions in this and other forums.  You feel that everyone should be happy to be pouring money into the game and that they should be happy to do so whenever the developers do a bait and switch. As to sabatours I attack them. When I notice them I use the appropriate hull and make their life misserable by continually pushing them over the edge til they leave. You can report hackers when they appear. So what is your point?

 

Yes the game needs to be suported financially, the fact of the matter was I had actually spent more money on the game because of the new system, I have felt that the prices in the garage were overpriced and with the new mission system it brought those prices down to a more reasonable level, and so I was willing to SPEND more money on the game. As to those who have no skill or are just plain lazy, they could continue spending as they had.  You and your friends have boasted of making 20,000 or 30,000 gems due to the new system, well I'm sorry that is nothing in the game. You could spend that on a couple of micro upgrades.  The one thing I appreciated about the new system, though, is it did give the little guy the opprtunity to compete in the big leagues. But as I've said the developers have overreacted and taken that away. The developers use to reward their loyal customers in the past, now they just take. And as I've said before, if they keep that up the customers will go somewhere else. It's a simple balancing act for a business, and don't forget that this game is a money making business to them, and they have just harmed themselves, their credability and their customers by this over-reaction.

Edited August 2, 2015 by Dliver

[kostasdimas 9]

well....i must say something...its not fair that you have to fight for daily bonus...i have time to play 2 or 3 times every week....but i have time for a log in only.....so i believe that is not fair....maybe make the missions only  one in a day and give the rest in daily bonus for free....just thing about the tankers that they have no money to buy crystals.....its  not easy for upgrade....or buy some weapons....SO TANKI.....please just thing the little boys or girls that they have no money ...and many people as i am that cant buy crystals.....you see TANKI i am leaving in  greece....we have capital controls now...i cant buy things outside my coundry.....o.k...laugh anyone who wants...its a pitty for him....

also why dont you thing the case if someone wants to sell some stufs that have and not using them...?

thanks from greece

kostasdimas

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Give it a rest ChineseTankMan, and by the way I spent a little time scanning back through your other posts. You are a Drugger, though you try to seemingly qualify that statement by saying, Only if the other guy drugs first (kind of a childish reasoning don't you think), which I highly doubt is the case given they way you have been a pitbull in your reactions to differing opinions in this and other forums.  You feel that everyone should be happy to be pouring money into the game and that they should be happy to do so whenever the developers do a bait and switch. As to sabatours I attack them. When I notice them I use the appropriate hull and make their life misserable by continually pushing them over the edge til they leave. You can report hackers when they appear. So what is your point?

 

Yes the game needs to be suported financially, the fact of the matter was I had actually spent more money on the game because of the new system, I have felt that the prices in the garage were overpriced and with the new mission system it brought those prices down to a more reasonable level, and so I was willing to SPEND more money on the game. As to those who have no skill or are just plain lazy, they could continue spending as they had.  You and your friends have boasted of making 20,000 or 30,000 gems due to the new system, well I'm sorry that is nothing in the game. You could spend that on a couple of micro upgrades.  The one thing I appreciated about the new system, though, is it did give the little guy the opprtunity to compete in the big leagues. But as I've said the developers have overreacted and taken that away. The developers use to reward their loyal customers in the past, now they just take. And as I've said before, if they keep that up the customers will go somewhere else. It's a simple balancing act for a business, and don't forget that this game is a money making business to them, and they have just harmed themselves, their credability and their customers by this over-reaction.

 

Actually the "pitbull" reaction happened after I was treated by "pitbullish" behaviour, so give it a rest since you proved my point.

And you love to exaggerate.

Plus lie.

I have expressed moments of disagreement too.

So like the liar I eventually blocked, I will do the same with you (haven't read the rest of your response and will stop there)...

[ChineseTankMan 98]

It's been a long time since I have seen such a troll as CTM. Everyone please ignore it and don't feed it.

 

 

I'm not a troll.

A troll is insincere.

My intention was not to disturb others, nor was I baiting others.

Whereas my most heated arguments in the forum have ended up being against those who aim to disturb and bait.

 

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/troll.htm

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Guys, I don't know why you are fighting, but you guys are going completely off topic, how about we drop this subject and forget it, that way no one will have to get their feelings hurt.

I'm glad you highlighted his trolling behaviour.

Anyway, before I saw your post I posted my last response to him and blocked him right after.

[ChineseTankMan 98]

Hackers? What kinds of hackers?

And saboteurs? Many of them?

Haven't seen many at all. . . .  . . . You should take a video.

 

This kind of hacking (and rarely also the typical kind), which you HAVE seen:

 

//Artificial lag

In the peer-to-peer gaming model, lagging is what happens when the stream of data between one or more players gets slowed or interrupted, causing movement to stutter and make opponents appear to behave erratically. By using a lag switch, a player is able to disrupt upload from the client to the server, while their own client queues up the actions performed. The goal is to gain advantage over another player without reciprocation; opponents slow down or stop moving, allowing the lag switch user to easily outmaneuver them. From the opponent's perspective, the player using the device may appear to be teleporting, invisible or invincible, while the opponents suffer delayed animations and fast-forwarded game play, delivered in bursts.^[3] Some gaming communities refer to this method as "tapping" which refers to the users "tapping" on and off their internet connection to create the lag.

The term "lag switch" encompasses many methods of disrupting the network communication between a client and its server. One method is by attaching a physical device, called a hardware lag switch, to a standard Ethernet cable. By flipping the switch on and off, the physical connection between the client and the server is disrupted. The designers of Video game console hardware have started to introduce built-in protection against lag switches in the form of voltage detectors, which detect a change in voltage when the switch is flipped. Some manufacturers have taken counter measures to bypass or trick this detector.^[4] This can also be achieved by simply unplugging the Ethernet cord going to the client, causing a disruption in the player's internet connection. Other methods, called a software or wireless lag switch, involve using a computer program. In this method, the cheater runs an application on a computer connected to the same network as the client. The application hogs the network bandwidth, disrupting the communication between the client and its server. However, one cannot do this for an unlimited amount of time. Usually, having no internet connection for 30 seconds will cause one's character / player to be kicked from the game due to inactivity / no internet connection.

In the peer-to-peer gaming model, lagging refers to a player with a faster connection flooding an opponent(s) using a basic denial-of-service attack outside the game structure.//

 

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games#Look-ahead

[there are also YouTube instructional videos]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus filling up any of the slots of your opponent's team with tanks that don't try through each round to defeat your team, is SABOTAGING.

It can also be called "boosting", but was done in "team play" instead of 1 vs 1:

//Boosting

A form of improving one's ranking in league tables, boosting is most common in 1 vs 1 fighting games such as Street Fighter IV and Tekken. Players will set up multiple accounts and play one against the other. The primary account will get an easy win due to no or little input from the second account. The major problem with this method is high cost since the boosting player requires at least two instances of the program usually through different PCs, IP addresses and copies of the game. Additionally, some games allow matches to be uploaded and viewed by others on replay channel. If the boosting player accidentally allows this, their boosting match can be seen by others. This also works in MMORPG games where you can set up multiple accounts and then conquer them. An example of this is Battledawn where you can set up another account conquer it to increase your score, power and taxation.

Even without matches being seen, players who boost can usually be easily identified, since they will have an extremely high number of points in relation to the number of matches played. For example, the 'top-ranked' player in Super Street Fighter IV has ≈35,000 pp (player points); in comparison, Daigo Umehara, widely regarded as the best player in the world,^[7] currently has ≈6,500 pp.//

- from the same link as above

 

 

So again, how is any of this related to this thread's topic?

It's by what I said that this person I'm now quoting had responded to, that's how I was and am on topic.

Since this person is intentionally lying, I'll block them right after entering this, so that he won't bait me to be off topic...

 

Edited August 2, 2015 by ChineseTankMan

[Dliver 436]

Your comment below has proven my points about you exactly. And I have noticed that you tend to block people a lot. Seems to me that a person who has only been playing the game for only 7 months ( compaired to my over 2 1/2 years ) sure is touchy about a topic that could make his quick climb up the ranks ( of course druggless and without buying crystals) seem so worthless. I have only been making points that I have observed over my long tenure in the game. I have seen this game go from a very user friendly operation to where now it seems that every opportunity to move up is now only possible by paying for it and not by skill.

Yes the game has to be supported financially, but the developers and owners of the game are begining to go to far. I hope that they are paying attention to these posts and the frustration of their players and will moderate their reaction to this adjustment.

 

I also challenge  anyone to compare our posts and show me where I have lied about you.

 

And feel free to answer back anytime, I don't block people with differing views.

 

ChineseTankMan 

Posted 02 Aug 2015 - 15:18 :

  "So like the liar I eventually blocked, I will do the same with you (haven't read the rest of your response and will stop there)..."

Edited August 2, 2015 by Dliver

[doughnut2100 763]

Lol. Are developers even looking at this feedback?

Feedback ignored much ?. . . :P

So that's what they do. Update and then ignore ignore ignore ignore ignore ignore ignore ignore ignore.

Then. . . .omg update was success. YES! GOOD JOB! :lol: Funny.

And they say they go through the feedback :p