fairly transferring current Tanki accounts to Unity

[wild001 786]

those people already have fully garage and more than 3-4 years of playing and 5x more experience than the current highest rank.

 

they definitely dont like scratch from 0 again and go through another 3-4 years to what they have.

 

 

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look back at Rebalance, before that, I already have Rail, hornet m3, After rebalance, they back to Rail, Hornet m2, and I went through another tough 6 month to get back to Rail, hornet M3.

 

Then it came the Microupgrade, and M3 is too powerless compared to M4, and force people to fully microupgrade to M4 to enjoy the game without worrying about being overpowered by others. which took me another Full Year of playing.

 

 

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if everything still back to the old day with my initial rail hornet m3 before rebalance, I probably wont be here since 2 year ago.

 

but since now, it is more than 3 year of effort for me to be here.

 

if it cost me another like 1-2 years to be what I have now, it is just a bit too much.

 

 

 

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Flash TO will die for sure, soon or later,

 

since only those who have a lot of effort in Flash will stay, and they propbably have full garage and nothing more to buy.

 

which causing only those generalismos staying, and they wont buy since they had all, so as to no money generated to support the Flash version . Flash TO ends.

[PuncherTank 37]

No point in being the wealthiest player in Flash if there is nobody to play against is there?

 

I said before that if TO decide to adopt a premium-based model, they need to consider all possible scenarios and have plans of action accordingly.

 

Chill out, this is just a game! Some players talk about in-game achievements like all their life savings are invested in this game. The only thing that should be expected back from a video game is good time/fun. A new monetization model where money doesn't have a decisive impact on gameplay would be to the benefit of most players in this game, and it would significantly improve players' experience and reduce frustration. If the cost is starting over from scratch, I and many other players would happily accept it.

 

If you believe that your hard-earned/bought "achievements" are more important than the experience other players, and especially non-buyers, have in this game then you are one of those power freaks that have made this game so frustrating for many to the point of quitting.

 

I have also worked hard and long and paid money to acquire the items in my garage and I'd willingly give it all up for the sake of a fairer environment and better game experience. This would be the right way to support a game if you really care about it and its future rather than: "Oh, I have given you so much money and I don't really care about others' experience, if you don't do it the way I like then I'll leave this stupid game and it'll go broke!". TO have been feeding/spoiling these "bullies" by selling them unrestrained power for so long now. This haughty "bribery" attitude of the current buyers needs to end.

 

The best way to keep everyone happy, however, would be to maintain both versions of the game and let players choose what is more valuable to them; their achievements (then stay here) or game experience (move to Unity). As I said in earlier posts there can be ways to ensure both versions remain fairly active. But yes, the flash version will die at some point, so will the Unity version later.

 

If TO change the monetization model and stop selling inordinate power, and they allow all players to move to the Unity TO before it has a solid buyer/subscriber base then this could be a financial disaster for the game!

 

Since TO don't have a publisher to cover them financially, it may be better to release the new model (if it gets implemented) in a gradual and controlled way.

 

So, after the Closed Beta stage, the game can enter an Early Access (EA) stage. During Early Access only players with an Early Access pass would be able to enter the game. Early Access passes could be either obtained by purchasing a Pre-Order package (which also contains premium status, crystals and other exclusive goodies), or by being gifted a free pass directly by TO staff. Developers would be able to give away Early Access passes to distinguishable members of the community, cough cough ;)

 

Once there are enough players who have the EA pass, TO can open a server for them to try out the new game. As more players buy Pre-Order packages or get free EA passes they can open a second server, then a third, etc.

 

This Early Access stage can last for several months and it will allow the new model to stand on its own feet. TO will need to work hard on marketing the Unity TO during this period to attract more subscribers. Once they are confident about their financial standing they can release the game publicly.

 

Achievements gained during the Early Access stage can be swept once the game is publicly released, but other options can be considered.

 

I'm just trying to help get the game out of the power-selling circle. I'm not trying to tell TO what to do - this is just my opinion, which isn't really that novel. I'd appreciate it too if I get somehow compensated for my current achievements in the Unity version if the economy of the game would allow it. But, if I had to choose between keeping my garage and moving to the same power-selling mania, or starting all over with a premium-based model, then I'd definitely choose the second.

 

Changing the monetization model would be a very bold move by TO as most of the current (power) buyers won't be happy with it. Yes, they have helped the game financially, but at a high cost to the game experience for most free players who are also an essential component without which the game cannot survive. I say it's about time the game breaks free from the selfishness of the current model. There is a better and more professional way TO can generate decent revenue and at the same time have a genuinely free-to-play game where all players (buyers and non-buyers) can fairly compete and focus on what really matters; skill rather than artless power. This will also allow the game to expand in many ways and utilize a lot of its potential that has been held back by the current barren power-sick model. Now there is a perfect opportunity to make this move with the release of the Unity TO, and I don't think it will come again.

 

I apologize for the long post, but I had to say this!

 

This guy is an argument machine, you just have to push the right buttons! :D

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I said before that if TO decide to adopt a premium-based model, they need to consider all possible scenarios and have plans of action accordingly.

 

Chill out, this is just a game!

I stopped reading after that.

[ChineseTankMan 98]

I said before that if TO decide to adopt a premium-based model, they need to consider all possible scenarios and have plans of action accordingly.

 

Chill out, this is just a game!

 

I stopped reading after that.

 

 

I mostly didn't. I skimmed read the rest. Probably for the same reason you did what you did.

 

The thing is, the guy makes a serious deep comment, then tells everyone who disagrees to not be serious, then goes back into being serious.

 

So yeah, the stench of hypocrisy was enough to not bother paying full attention to the rest (or like you, not paying attention at all anymore) from me.

[m6ttetu 288]

Time will show that, but Right now i don't want to move my acc to unity, cuz I think it looks more like WoT. It's not better than our current version.

[Opex-Rah 5,410]

What about sales? Half of us purchased stuff during sales at 25% or even 50% off? And we get the full value refunded? We'll end up with a lot more crystals than we actually spent on our equipment. On the other hand others who've spent the full amount of crystals will go crazy if they only get half the value in return..

Actually, this is what have happened after Rebalance few years ago. Consequences were brutal both for developers and playing community.

 

An option I will definitely will not recommend.

[Gravity 23]

I think they should allow us to have the ability to be able to transfer our accounts.  :D

[deadmanrising 715]

I understand it may be difficult to transfer flash records to a unity database, but hopefully it will be possible and we will get to keep our progress (Although this is just half the problem)

[HillBillyJim 75]

I'm not too far along, so I would be happy to start over......as long as I was handsomely compensated ;)

[ajitvik 231]

i have spent a fortune on this game..if i have to start over..i will make sure i get my revenge by other means:)

[TamilskiTigar 27]

@ @PuncherTank as I said in all your "brilliant"  topics about transfering to Unity,you want to start from scratch?Go play WOT or similar games.Why the heck should I lost 4 years of time spended here and garage I worked hard for?You don't like druggs?Play PRO battles.And please,stop sharing ideas which almost no one here likes.All your BS statments about "stay in flash","only premium in Unity",etc... are fail..why should we stay here with no devlopers caring about flash?Even devs can't play with this,forcing us starting from scratch,hell will brake in gaming portals,I'll be first to share some things which caused that.again,you don't like this?Change game.Period.

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Actually, this is what have happened after Rebalance few years ago. Consequences were brutal both for developers and playing community.

 

An option I will definitely will not recommend.

Fair enough. Many players bought their equipment at 50% discounts or as discounted produkt kits so a

100% compensation would be unfair and certainly damaging for TO and consequently us players as well.

If a player didn 't care or didn 't want to wait for discounts and mostly payed the full amount for

the equipment, than that 's IMO the risk the player took.

 

The best solution would still be a direct transfer to Unity from our existing garages.

 

If that 's not possible, due to reasons we players don 't know because we don 't get informed at all:

at least have the decency to compensate at least 50% of our garage value in the form of 

the new Unity currency/crystals.

We spend a lot of time to earn and/or pay for those crystals we needed to build our garage:

some players for many years.

 

TO Flash will sooner or later die IMO, and staying there is no option.

 

The best solution is almost always a compromise: I only hope that TO believes the same way.

[smeth194243 6]

...that's what I intend on doing if I get all my resources I've invested switched over to Unity.

If that doesn't happen I'm staying here.

If they shut this down and essentially only have Unity, then I am completely leaving Tanki.

AMEN BROTHER!!!

[lazer1786 44]

i would get like 10m crystals :o

[lazer1786 44]

Fair enough. Many players bought their equipment at 50% discounts or as discounted produkt kits so a

100% compensation would be unfair and certainly damaging for TO and consequently us players as well.

If a player didn 't care or didn 't want to wait for discounts and mostly payed the full amount for

the equipment, than that 's IMO the risk the player took.

 

The best solution would still be a direct transfer to Unity from our existing garages.

 

If that 's not possible, due to reasons we players don 't know because we don 't get informed at all:

at least have the decency to compensate at least 50% of our garage value in the form of 

the new Unity currency/crystals.

We spend a lot of time to earn and/or pay for those crystals we needed to build our garage:

some players for many years.

 

TO Flash will sooner or later die IMO, and staying there is no option.

 

The best solution is almost always a compromise: I only hope that TO believes the same way.

i bought my m3 long time ago when there was no pakage, so if i wil only get 50% it wil be realy unfair

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

i bought my m3 long time ago when there was no pakage, so if i wil only get 50% it wil be realy unfair

Were there no discounts in those times?

 

Even than I guess we just have to except that we will never get a full compensation.

That would IMO simply mean the end of Alternativa company, a dedicated TO team losing

their jobs and consequently would leave us empty handed too.

 

Ofcourse I strongly prefer a complete (with existing garage) transfer of our accounts to Unity.

As it was once said by TO...

 

edit: another thing, if we get a compensation instead, and can build up our garages with the equipment

we like/prefer this time, that would save many of us quite some crystals. 

[Rohrmeister 1,536]

refund of Sales/noSales Purchases

 

 

Noone asks today if you got your rail M3 half a year ago during a sales or not. You have it, and you decided for your way to purchase it. In Unity you should be able to get the same "power" you have _now_ in your garage, no matter how you purchased it. That is fair enough.

So if they refund 100% and start with no sales, then everything should be fine.

If they refund 100% and start the game with a 50% sales, then we are in trouble :P

 

 

 

refund Millions to Recruits

 

 

someone said he will optimize his garage in such a case. I think most of the useless stuff is m1, some few are m2. that is cheap compared to m3+, that this will not really give you thaaaat much crystals additionally. You will end up with maybe 10..20% more, dependent on how much useless to usefull stuff you had.

As the new game mechanic will maybe feel a little different, you will also invest some of those crystals wrong.. so it cancels each other out.

 

And if the principle stays up, that higher class weaponary is available to higher class ranks, then beginners won't face M3+ stuff as recruit. It can simply not be purchased at those ranks.

 

If millionairs decide to spend their crystals to fully microupgrade their M1/M2 during their rankup.. they will soon learn how fast they run out of money.

 

Those few multi-millionairs that can afford them.. well they are few (compared to the large player base) and they will rank up faster then those who can't afford it. So the issue has just a limited timeframe.

 

 

 

hold back some crystals

 

 

IF we all have to start at Rank 0 (and only if!), then tanki may not give all the garage amount in crystals.

Because during the rankup procedure we earn crystals as well.

The crystals you earn in average during the rankup from rank 0 to en equivalent of your rank today should be deducted from today's garage value.

This does not hurt.. as during the rankup you earn them back anyways.. so you end up with the same.

And you can't purchase your power earlier anyways.. if higher gear gets unlocked at higher ranks. By the time you can, you have the crystals as well.

 

 

 

MU + speedup refund

 

 

The whole purpose of a refund is to give the player the same power and toys he/she had before.

For the MU + their speedups you could maybe give "micro upgrade points" instead of crystals.. with those "points" you can then microupgrade the new equipment you have without that you have to wait. So you get the players to aproximately that power where they have been.

As higher microupgrades are more expensive then lower ones, they should give/cost more points.

(in fact this is a system that works like a second crystal account, that is only useable for micrpupgrades).

players that wasted crystals for MUs of M3+ equipment that they don#t use anymore, have the greatest saving potential here.

But ok.. they invested a lot of time or money to build that up in the flash version.. so why not allow them this bonus for the loyality and money they gave? I think that's ok.

 

 

 

i have no idea about refund supplies collected via daily gifts. By the supplies I received and never used i could buy aprox. 2x M3s. supplies should maybe not refund into a crystal pot I can purchase tanks and turrets from.. but in another pot that works only for specific things (simmilar to the point system I proposed for MUs)

[Rohrmeister 1,536]

..and honestly, I hope that the timeframe in which I may transfer my account is not tooo limited.

 

I personally.. would like to make a new account with a random name in unity and check the game out.

Play it until i have all weapons M0 and see if they still feel the same. See if the oponents found better ways to use weapons against me due to some changed game mechanics.

Learn about additional game elements like ranks, benefits, weapon availability, goodies, upgrades, passes, premium stuff, ...

 

-> only then I can decide what to do with my crystals.

 

So I really hope the existing usernames from tanki are locked in unity.. either until the flash accounts expire (no use for x months) or until a very long grace period.

[deadmanrising 715]

This is bad because every generalissimo will just get 1 M4 hull and 1 M4 turret

[Captin_XLAB 276]

I don't know how the user profiles are stored in the game but...

It should've been like just a text document formatted as a database :P

 

Developers, listen...

If our accounts aren't transferred...

YOUR UNITY IDEA IS GONE.

 

I'm not going to try and play if we start from recruit again.

 

If you finished developing just run a test server for it... :)

[T.O.R.N.A.D.O.XXX 184]

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[Loackie 269]

Honestly, I would love to start over. If the designers add some sort of PvE, Tanki would be far more popular.

 

If there WILL be loyalty rewards, there could be two-three exclusive paints that scale in potency with rank, but are always inferior options to bought paints.

 

I do like the EXP ---> Crystals idea though, but it should be done at a ratio where the player still has an incentive to play at the higher ranks. 

 

This does remind me of a certain MMO I used to enjoy for a very long time, and the company directing the MMO decided to make a separate game remniscent of a older version. It had great reception and was very sucessful, but the game is subscription based. This means it won't apply here very well, since the MMO runs on p2w monetization.

[tommybau 1,033]

i had a nightmare last night with the following plot:

 

-tanki online Unity got relased.

-account were not transferred for a random reason like games too different, cant remeber.

-flash tanki was closed some days after with an excuse.

-i saw my 150€ i invested in the game being flushed in the toilet.

 

-i go in tanki online office and rampage thought it destroying everything.    Nahh, that line was made up but someone will probably do it if this happens.

 

 

really, i cant wait to get more (i hope positive) news about this.

[caproz 61]

no! Don't give us crystals. Give us our stuff!

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

i had a nightmare last night with the following plot:

 

-tanki online Unity got relased.

-account were not transferred for a random reason like games too different, cant remeber.

-flash tanki was closed some days after with an excuse.

-i saw my 150€ i invested in the game being flushed in the toilet.

 

-i go in tanki online office and rampage thought it destroying everything.    Nahh, that line was made up but someone will probably do it if this happens.

 

No problem! That is if you buy me the flight ticket... ;)

 

really, i cant wait to get more (i hope positive) news about this.