Does anybody listen to our ideas?

[canadarules 1,938]

ok ok

if you want a dev to get a dev to listen to your idea.. you go to Perm, Russia and find the most bright coloured building you can find and thats the devs place... be aware semyon is jacked so getting in will be a pain

[Maf 32,333]

find the most bright coloured building you can find and thats the devs place... 

o_O

Is there something that you know and I don't?

[E.Leclerc 1,887]

ok ok

if you want a dev to get a dev to listen to your idea.. you go to Perm, Russia and find the most bright coloured building you can find and thats the devs place... be aware semyon is jacked so getting in will be a pain

Looooooool!!!!!!!

[RustyNail 1,538]

So you want the developers to support themselves, their business and the game for free? Sure....

 

Now please enlighten me who's going to pay for developers' salaries, server support, maintenance costs, marketing costs and other expenses?

 

 

 

 

  :D LOL :D

 

Infant's logic. Do you actually believe what you're saying?

(rhetorical question)

[canadian_tank 226]

No!

[Maf 32,333]

Infant's logic. Do you actually believe what you're saying?

(rhetorical question)

So what you're saying is that if everyone follows that guy's advice and stops putting money into the game, everybody will be happy and developers will continue to keep the game going despite the fact that they now have zero profit from it?

I have no comment on that.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

ok ok

if you want a dev to get a dev to listen to your idea.. you go to Perm, Russia and find the most bright coloured building you can find and thats the

http://i.imgur.com/ScDGkQL.gif?noredirect

[RustyNail 1,538]

So what you're saying is that if everyone follows that guy's advice and stops putting money into the game, everybody will be happy and developers will continue to keep the game going despite the fact that they now have zero profit from it?

I have no comment on that.

You continue infant logic, therefore I continue same answer.

 

LOL

[Maf 32,333]

Well, you could respond with constructive criticism like a normal person and an actual explanation as to why my opinion is wrong, but instead you respond with the same answer to cut me off and prevent any further discussion. Therefore I'm not going to talk about this any more with you.

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

The glory days are over, those seemed epic, IDK what these days are

 

The devs ocasionally check our idfeas I guess, but not much

[ATHENA.s_realm_XT 69]

          In my country I even pay for the water I drink. This game can still be played for free when others are only pay to play. And people are still not happy. If TO will start to pay people to play, people will still not be happy. Because that's how they are and that's how they train on a daily basis in counterproductive attitude towards anything is built in life. TO is countinuously working into improving and this can be easily seen by anyone who has some minimal view regarding what's an ITIL process and how difficult is to build a process and to maintain it's endurance while being competitive on the market. Those unhappy about what TO offers for free should go and start and support their free game on their own.
          Thanks!

[E.Leclerc 1,887]

*Grabs popcorn*

[Brubook 1,161]

Well, you could respond with constructive criticism like a normal person and an actual explanation as to why my opinion is wrong, but instead you respond with the same answer to cut me off and prevent any further discussion. Therefore I'm not going to talk about this any more with you.

Ok, constructive criticism:

 

BSG-62 is wrong in its statement, but you are wrong too. There is no black or white, there is a vast scale of greys inbetween.

 

As I always say, it is appropriate and fair that you earn money, even a lot of money. I would never say (and noone should) that you should pay for the game expenses ... that is not fair! But it is also appropriate that you make a fully enjoyable game, even if it involve little less profits to have it.

 

Let's remember that a little less profit today in favour of a better game means more profit tomorrow with a more played game!

This should be an appropriate mid-term strategy for any business.

 

 

BSG-62: They just want our money so don't spend a cent. 

Sorry BSG, but they should not spend to work. They have to earn, like any worker!

 

MAFlOS0: So you want the developers to support themselves, their business and the game for free?

Absolutely NOT

 

MAFlOS0: Now please enlighten me who's going to pay for developers' salaries, server support, maintenance costs, marketing costs and other expenses?

How much is this costs incidence on revenues? From my estimations on Alternativa Platform public data, not much. Tanki still earn a lot. But this is appropriate and I do not discuss it. The more you earn, more compliments you will receive from me! It is a business!

I am only saying that you should devolve some of these profit to a better and more balanced game.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Well, you could respond with constructive criticism like a normal person and an actual explanation as to why my opinion is wrong, but instead you respond with the same answer to cut me off and prevent any further discussion. Therefore I'm not going to talk about this any more with you.

 

 

LOL

 

You want it, you 'll have it.

 

Infant logic is the least I can say for the non-sense you mumbled. Why? Because you have read the drugging topic, I know you did, as many others know it too.

Therefore you know that we never said about removing the supplies, as well as we never said that nobody should pay for this game*.

We are grown ups, we know this is a business for a bunch of people, so they expect to be paid and support their families with that money.

BUT

that does not mean they can squeeze the marrow out of the players' bones and we be happy with it,

nor does it mean that whatever way they figure to make a living is alright.

Namely, as you pretty well know it, we have suggested alternative ways of income, so that supplies income might be lessen and so drugging might be lessen too, and at the same time Devs would be paid for their efforts and time.

In fact, one of the proposals was premium accounts with cosmetic and facility privileges (that was not from our topic but from another topic which as well was pretty famous so you know it), so that money would come less from power selling and more from distinction and ego selling.

And what did the Devs do?

They did accept this idea and implemented it in the game, and so they started collecting money from premium accounts, BUT they did not lessen the power selling.

Meaning, for all those that can figure out what equals one plus one, they increased the income sources without easing the free players' game.

That, in my book is called profiteering.

What do they expect, that all of the players were little kids without reason and cognition?

Of course not. They new that some people would understand and would walk away.

But they don't care.

Neither do I care. As I said many times, this is their project and they can do whatever they like with it.

BUT

making the game pay-to-play and advertising it as free-to-play is called hypocrisy.

That's what frustrates me.

That, and "infant logic" arguments from helpers that are not allowed to speak freely but are paid in crystals to say "yes" to whatever the devs do.

 

Here you go.. now you know what LOL stands for.

 

 

*myself, I was a small buyer but not anymore, since they now want a gym's monthly fee for playing this game..

[Dragon-Judgement 1,529]

Well, you could respond with constructive criticism like a normal person and an actual explanation as to why my opinion is wrong, but instead you respond with the same answer to cut me off and prevent any further discussion. Therefore I'm not going to talk about this any more with you.

Apparently RustyNail and Brubook share the same mind. Best to leave them alone Mafi, for your own sanity. They don't give anyone room to say what they need to say, so why should you continue going back and forth with them? Indirectly calling you stupid with that term "Infant's logic" (Yes, although I've ignored seeing posts for either of them, I still saw the post you commented on from one of them, I just don't care to look who posted the comment because it's an obvious waste of my time. And if you notice, nobody really agrees with them except those of similar thinking. Glad you stopped responding).

 

If they want a fair game so badly, they may as well purchase a building, hire a development team of similar limited intellect, and create their own "balanced" game. Personally I'm sick and tired of hearing their howls. I'll be glad when there's 2 less "intellectual" players gone and everyone can stop having headaches.

 

They can talk tough, but the chances of anyone hearing them is minimal. Only thing I'll hand to them is that they're trying to make an effort; an invalid one, I might add. Still doesn't change my dislike for either one of them. You give disrespect, you're gonna earn it back in some form or fashion. Don't care if you like it or not.

 

Just look at their drugging topic. It went from what I thought to be a decent "discussion" to a full-blown battle between people who use supplies and those who are against them. No such thing as a discussion now; doesn't even deserve the right to remain open as far as I'm concerned. They've stated their 'facts', and 'points' but now it's gone too far. They're not even listening to what people have to say, as you, I, and many others have experienced first-hand. So much for them being grown men trying to work something out. If anything, they're acting like children now.

 

Kindly asking Brubook and RustyNail, or anyone else who shares their views: Do not respond to me as you have been blocked. Thank you and enjoy your limited time on the Game/Forum.

[Maf 32,333]

 

 

I'll just say this: neither I, nor you two have any experience with developing a game as big as Tanki Online (I assume you don't), so us trying to judge how much money the developers need and how much money they actually use to improve the game is mere speculation and guesswork. We don't have any official data regarding how developers structure their work, therefore any kind of debate about this is pointless.

 

Now please, from now on stay on topic.

[RustyNail 1,538]

Apparently RustyNail and Brubook share the same mind. Best to leave them alone Mafi, for your own sanity. They don't give anyone room to say what they need to say, so why should you continue going back and forth with them? Indirectly calling you stupid with that term "Infant's logic" (Yes, although I've ignored seeing posts for either of them, I still saw the post you commented on from one of them, I just don't care to look who posted the comment because it's an obvious waste of my time. And if you notice, nobody really agrees with them except those of similar thinking. Glad you stopped responding).

 

If they want a fair game so badly, they may as well purchase a building, hire a development team of similar limited intellect, and create their own "balanced" game. Personally I'm sick and tired of hearing their howls. I'll be glad when there's 2 less "intellectual" players gone and everyone can stop having headaches.

 

They can talk tough, but the chances of anyone hearing them is minimal. Only thing I'll hand to them is that they're trying to make an effort; an invalid one, I might add. Still doesn't change my dislike for either one of them. You give disrespect, you're gonna earn it back in some form or fashion. Don't care if you like it or not.

 

Just look at their drugging topic. It went from what I thought to be a decent "discussion" to a full-blown battle between people who use supplies and those who are against them*. No such thing as a discussion now; doesn't even deserve the right to remain open as far as I'm concerned. They've stated their 'facts', and 'points' but now it's gone too far. They're not even listening to what people have to say, as you, I, and many others have experienced first-hand. So much for them being grown men trying to work something out. If anything, they're acting like children now.

 

Kindly asking Brubook and RustyNail, or anyone else who shares their views: Do not respond to me as you have been blocked. Thank you and enjoy your limited time on the Game/Forum.

 

Stop spreading lies and deliberate misinterpretations of what the drugging topic is all about.

The discussion is not about using supplies or being against them but about the CONSTANT USE of supplies ( = drugging ). And the discussion has indeed stopped because no real argument for druggers has survived, except "I drug because I can and I don't give a s*t about the other players" or "poor company needs the money from supplies kits"... The first being a confession of a "noob" egoist and the second a cultivated myth that no one can confirm because no player or helper has access to the company's fiscal status.

Therefore, the one who doesn't listen is really you, not us.

 

Apart from this, I am really sorry for giving you a headache. Maybe, when you finish school and your mind grows some more, you will be able to tolerate "intellectual" reasoning and stop having headaches. Until then, you can very well avoid such painful topics and restrict yourself to intellectual milk, as there are many other topics that require no thinking at all in order to participate.

 

Grow wise and prosper :)

[RustyNail 1,538]

Having said this, I am done with this topic and will argue no more, following MAFIOS0's suggestion.. :)

[Brubook 1,161]

I'll just say this: neither I, nor you two have any experience with developing a game as big as Tanki Online (I assume you don't), so us trying to judge how much money the developers need and how much money they actually use to improve the game is mere speculation and guesswork. We don't have any official data regarding how developers structure their work, therefore any kind of debate about this is pointless.

 

Now please, from now on stay on topic.

Sorry, MAFlOS0

 

Just a note. After this I will stop and stay on topic. I just want to answer to what you said.

 

This is partially true. The estimations that made me thing that Tanki earn quite well come from official published data and experience.

You are right, I have never run an internet game business, but I both managed companies, produced software and run international businesses. I have experience on managing works, taxes, employees, customer care, production, logistics, banks issues, subsidiaries, suppliers and soo on.

 

My estimations also tend to excess (meaning that costs computed are probably lower). You mentioned the "big" game. In any business, as the size increases, the specific costs reduces. I mean that to make 100 cakes you will have a unit cost, to make 1.000 you will have at least half of that unit cost, overall.

Hence, a bigger game is more profitable.

 

You are right, I haven't got the exact numbers ... yet I think (well, I know) that also in your Country balances are public information.

[r_gigiz0 327]

What is the point of having a Ideas and Suggestions section in Tanki forum when 0% of the ideas get excepted.

 

[Maf 32,333]

What is the point of having a Ideas and Suggestions section in Tanki forum when 0% of the ideas get excepted.

Topic merged

 

I already answered in this topic. The point is to share and discuss ideas with your fellow players, with a very small chance of them being considered by developers in the future. Developers have way too many plans on their list at the moment to go around picking up even more ideas from players, so it will take some time (probably more than a year) before they do all they wanted to do and go looking for new ideas.

 

This section is popular and many players (myself included) like to comment here and suggest their ideas, which is why this section still exists. The point of it is discussion, which is also the point of having the whole forum.

[E.Leclerc 1,887]

Bwamp

[Linda_Zarina 118]

No one can really tell if there listening or not finding what they need or counting certain idea that good.... They don't want to explain them selves..

[BSG-62 512]

No one can really tell if there listening or not finding what they need or counting certain idea that good.... They don't want to explain them selves..

Hmmm..... maybe they should get a few more Forum mods to replay to our ideas?

[Linda_Zarina 118]

Hmmm..... maybe they should get a few more Forum mods to replay to our ideas?

That doesn't change anything, its about the interest and effects if the idea was impended, see the difference?