The Progress And Decline of tanki

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

 

I can accept what you have said and respect that you took the time to clarify a few points.

I can also accept that Tanki does allow decent enough communication between the developers and the players which you don’t get with a lot of other games.

 

That being said, I think what has contributed to the confusion and rumours  is Tanki’s poor handling of the situation. It was Tanki who muddied the waters regarding the two different products. If it is a separate product then it should have been kept separate from the start.

 

Semyon Kirov

Posted 28 Apr 2014 - 11:08

Will there be a way to switch from the current Tanki to the new version? Or will players have to start from the beginning?

The new Tanki and the current version will both exist at the same time.

You will be able to play any of the 2 versions.

You will also be able to copy your account from the old Tanki to the new one, but only once.

This will copy your rank, crystals and garage.

After that you will be able to play both the old Tanki and the new version

 

 

There have been a few different topics regarding certain aspects of the game and the replies from Tanki’s moderators are usually along the lines of “developers are too busy working on unity”,  “tanki doesn’t have the manpower to deal with certain issues because of unity “ .

If it is going to be a new product then really telling players of the current game that developers are busy working on its replacement rather than addressing the current issues is not good enough. I know Tanki has thrown out a few improvements recently but I am sure a lot of flash players will wonder what other benefits/ improvements  could have been achieved by now if the developers were focused 100% on the current game eg: (mults, cheaters, hackers).

 

Current players were excited, they were led to believe something exciting was coming and we were all going to be a part of it. They had more patience because they felt it was going to be worth it for a better game. Now if flash is going to be run as a separate entity, then really any benefits or improvements that come with the new Tanki are of no concern to the flash players unless they abandon their current account and start over.

 

I guess flash players are starting to realise that they are going to be continually the poor relation to unity. It is inconceivable that Flash players who don’t abandon their accounts will be given the same consideration and support as the  unity version which is going to be Tanki’s flagship for the coming years.

 

So rather than being able to celebrate Tanki’s rebirth and move forward in unity (pun intended) we are going to be witness to its slow demise with battles becoming fewer and fewer and chat eventually falling silent.

 

Personally I had a feeling something like this could happen so I decided not to put any more money into the game a while back until I knew more but I could certainly understand any recent buyers unhappiness with the recent news. They will be kings of an empty castle. Personally I got my money’s worth so I am not too concerned.

 

Ps: Granted the decision has not yet been made regarding transfer but it is no longer definite either.

 

Brilliant post! +++

[Meowmix56 174]

Also it'd probably help sales a lot if they'd just hurry up and announce that they will transfer accounts, with all the buyers afraid that any crystals they buy will have an expiration date or be trapped in a dead game (which is how most of us will perceive it if the flash version is left running on its own with little support)

[zainslimshady 474]

I can accept what you have said and respect that you took the time to clarify a few points.

I can also accept that Tanki does allow decent enough communication between the developers and the players which you don’t get with a lot of other games.

 

That being said, I think what has contributed to the confusion and rumours  is Tanki’s poor handling of the situation. It was Tanki who muddied the waters regarding the two different products. If it is a separate product then it should have been kept separate from the start.

 

Semyon Kirov

Posted 28 Apr 2014 - 11:08

Will there be a way to switch from the current Tanki to the new version? Or will players have to start from the beginning?

The new Tanki and the current version will both exist at the same time.

You will be able to play any of the 2 versions.

You will also be able to copy your account from the old Tanki to the new one, but only once.

This will copy your rank, crystals and garage.

After that you will be able to play both the old Tanki and the new version

 

 

There have been a few different topics regarding certain aspects of the game and the replies from Tanki’s moderators are usually along the lines of “developers are too busy working on unity”,  “tanki doesn’t have the manpower to deal with certain issues because of unity “ .

If it is going to be a new product then really telling players of the current game that developers are busy working on its replacement rather than addressing the current issues is not good enough. I know Tanki has thrown out a few improvements recently but I am sure a lot of flash players will wonder what other benefits/ improvements  could have been achieved by now if the developers were focused 100% on the current game eg: (mults, cheaters, hackers).

 

Current players were excited, they were led to believe something exciting was coming and we were all going to be a part of it. They had more patience because they felt it was going to be worth it for a better game. Now if flash is going to be run as a separate entity, then really any benefits or improvements that come with the new Tanki are of no concern to the flash players unless they abandon their current account and start over.

 

I guess flash players are starting to realise that they are going to be continually the poor relation to unity. It is inconceivable that Flash players who don’t abandon their accounts will be given the same consideration and support as the  unity version which is going to be Tanki’s flagship for the coming years.

 

So rather than being able to celebrate Tanki’s rebirth and move forward in unity (pun intended) we are going to be witness to its slow demise with battles becoming fewer and fewer and chat eventually falling silent.

 

Personally I had a feeling something like this could happen so I decided not to put any more money into the game a while back until I knew more but I could certainly understand any recent buyers unhappiness with the recent news. They will be kings of an empty castle. Personally I got my money’s worth so I am not too concerned.

 

Ps: Granted the decision has not yet been made regarding transfer but it is no longer definite either.

earlier what we told was that these are same products. now it seems like old buyers and old members have been dumped into trash by Tanki. not giving us which is rightfully ours. we have invested our money, time etc to get what we have right now. and you guys are simply taking it away giving us an excuse that these are different products

[thunderousrailgunner 1,934]

From August 28 Lies the Key to our Questions  :ph34r:

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

That is kinda sad that Unity development gone dark recently and there are no information around to rely on. Naturally this kind of topics start to popping, spreading guesses and rumors.

 

Let's clear-up few things. Please note that I am not the one who makes all the decisions and some things might change in future, but here how it goes right now:

Thank-you for taking time to clarify some of these items. Even though we don't have much respect for each other, I, as do others, appreciate this. Although as mentioned by others this should have been handled better. It is my opinion that if there were better lines of communication between Tanki HQ and the rest of us, including your mods, then this could have been avoided.

 

 

It won't matter if Unity is the best thing since sliced bread with parts flying off tanks when they get hit or weather effects or whatever else might be possible - the imbalance (through drugging and uneven power of turrets) and high cost is what drives people away eventually.

SO very true, but you forgot the mistrust in Tanki HQ. This mistrust leads to frustration and eventually to just leaving for good.

---

 

This is my prediction and only my opinion:

• Unity TO will be a completely separate product.
• There will be no account transfers.
• Existing Flash TO players above a certain rank will get some special time limited offer if they want to start playing Unity TO
• They will continue to focus on the players with the 1 year or less life span. 

Unfortunately, loyalty means far less then ones ability to pay, and it is no secret that Tanki is only in it for the money. They focus on maximizing profits in the shortest time possible. Some call it shortsighted, but to others this is a normal form of business.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Fatal-Attraction 80]

 

The new tanki is coming very soon, and before you guys remove this tanki and add the new one I would like to say a few things about why we loved this tanki..

 

I will miss this tanki badly and I might even leave the game when new tanki comes..

Can we keep this tanki and also have the new tanki..

 

You guys forget why we loved tanki, it was because it was a fun flash game, now you are trying to make it like a world of tanks game. I think you guys are reaching to far.

 

You are improving this game very much with daily missions, night mode and much more. But you guys are also ruining this game as fast as you are making it better...

 

You keep doing re balances, and changing the game we love 

 

 

No one at Tanki agrees with you more than I do. NO ONE.

 

The statement I agree with the most is this:

 

"You keep doing re balances, and changing the game we love....

But you guys are also ruining this game as fast as you are making it better..."

 

When I started playing, Tanki wasn't as it is now.

In the two years that Ive been playing, this game

has changed and morphed to become a complete farce.

 

The statement that struck a cord with me the most is this statement:

 

“…But you guys are also ruining this game as fast as you are making it better..."

 

And you're 100% right. This is fact base on direct

observation. But  incredibly, there are many that argue

the point.

 

I have (along with many) loudly complained and  cried foal.

But my complaints had absolutely no effect what so ever.

About the only thing that my complaints yielded is a bunch

people offering so called “opposing views” and a whole lot of

mouth running mixed with unadulterated nonsense.

 

And this is what this post will yield. Nothing will change.

You’re wasting you time. It’s like trying to reason with chimps.

 

But I respect your effort.

 

As for me: I had quit Tanki a few months ago when new updates

made the game all but unplayable. I played on occasion and hung

out on the forums, but I was done with the game. Then the developers

rolled back the updates and I stated to play again. I was a colonel then.

But the developers are ruining this game as fast as they’re making it better,

so I think my time is about done here. I’ll probably be gone in a few months.

 

DON’T bother with replies. I’m not arguing with anyone, for I now see that this would be pointless.

 

 

 

 

 

[Loackie 269]

DON’T bother with replies. I’m not arguing with anyone, for I now see that this would be pointless.

 

 

I just want to say that you're in the right mindset, but your logic (in one part) is flawed.

 

In TO, the "rebalances" serve no purpose, as there is no context for why any "rebalancing" update happens except for the purpose of making an update.

 

Rebalances, in general, if done correctly will very much benefit a game's balance. Except they aren't.

 

You're wanting actual quality updates, not the removal of rebalancing, am I right?

Edited August 22, 2015 by Loackie

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

I just want to say that you're in the right mindset, but your logic (in one part) is flawed.

 

In TO, the "rebalances" serve no purpose, as there is no context for why any "rebalancing" update happens except for the purpose of making an update.

 

Rebalances, in general, if done correctly will very much benefit a game's balance. Except they aren't.

 

You're wanting actual quality updates, not the removal of rebalancing, am I right?

I believe most of the re-balances are about increasing profits for Tanki. When sales of the currently popular equipment start to slow they "re-balance" to make something else more popular therefore increasing sales of that equipment.

[toanuparu_GT 7]

Reply To Loackle:

 

As I said: debating/arguing about updates and balances is pointless.

 

Nothing is accomplished.

 

These Russians are going to do what ever the hell suits them.

:/ don't get so snippy. That comment was really rude, and kinda discriminatory towards Russians. Next time think before talking.

Edited August 23, 2015 by toanuparu_GT

[duck100101 965]

I believe most of the re-balances are about increasing profits for Tanki. When sales of the currently popular equipment start to slow they "re-balance" to make something else more popular therefore increasing sales of that equipment.

Very true

[duck100101 965]

1. I'll be snippy if I damn please. Don't tell me what do.

2. I don't care If you are offended by my comments.

3. I am thinking EVERY SINGLE MOMENT OF MY WAKING HOURS.

 

If you don't like my post then use the Ignore function. 

 

Now run along.

Lol thug life

[Aniruddha_Rairikar 40]

Parkour will die..............

[dilsharox 2,395]

i was just wondering whether than person in  the video is a guy/girl/both/other

[DonutsForLife 292]

I might play Tanki Unity when it comes out. ^_^

[Duck1001012account 1]

I might play Tanki Unity when it comes out. ^_^

I will give it a try as well :)

[r_Arabiannoble0 1,756]

I think about this whole unity development thing as if the game is Counterstike. Old one is still out there, you know.

With all due respect, this is the scariest part.

 

I never played CS.  But I invested a lot of money and time into Tanki.

 

Would hate to lose it all just as I was starting to get good at this.

 

But it's a business, it doesn't look like it's here to please me.

[I.Devastation 2,053]

i was just wondering whether than person in  the video is a guy/girl/both/other

really? that's what your concerned about? xD

[dilsharox 2,395]

really? that's what your concerned about? xD

few posts has been removed 

i wasn't so sure 

[i200000 717]

TO isn't how it was, new updates ruined it at all... so...

Ruined? Changed, perhaps. Everything changes - but the most of players loved the old game.

Chance to get back the past? No.

 

Please read this whole post, for anyone who is, following this topic!!

 

Quote from hazel

 

"Naturally this kind of topics start to popping, spreading guesses and rumors".

 

 

The reason why I made this topic is because, the devs have been messing around with the game we all loved...

 

You keep changing/removing our favorite maps, re balance the physics. (which is good sometimes, but the devs do it way to much.)

 

You (hazel) said there still would be the old tank for years to come, however I messaged semyon, (in TO forum) He said that they would remove the old tanki, when unity comes in. (I don't know who to trust!?!)

 

I am just saying the devs fool us far to often, they fooled us with crystal boxes, they made 100 crystal boxes to increase multing. (Which had a lot of complaint from tankers, saying "TO MANY MULTS)  Which gave them an opportunity to remove 10 boxes with out to much complaint from the community..

 

Keep your word hazel, I liked that post because I liked what I heard, keep your word to it..

 

 

~Duck100101

We know that feeling.

Edited August 26, 2015 by i200000

[zainslimshady 474]

earlier we have been told that.

 

Semyon Kirov

Posted 28 Apr 2014 - 11:08

Will there be a way to switch from the current Tanki to the new version? Or will players have to start from the beginning?
The new Tanki and the current version will both exist at the same time.
You will be able to play any of the 2 versions.
You will also be able to copy your account from the old Tanki to the new one, but only once.
This will copy your rank, crystals and garage.
After that you will be able to play both the old Tanki and the new version

 

 

now suddenly  unity and flash became different products.

the major fault of tanki popularity going down is at the Tanki's end.

 

would'nt  be surprised if Tanki goes down permanently(Flash and Unity)

what makes you guys think that without having our garage copied on unity. we will play unity version? ofcourse NO(well most of us think the same way)

 

the trust we had will be broken. there is no gurantee that you guys will abandon unity too. and after that we have to start from the beginning. so it is like keep investing your money,time etc in the end you have to start from the start............

Edited August 26, 2015 by zainslimshady

[alotharian 8]

what makes you guys think that without having our garage copied on unity. we will play unity version? ofcourse NO(well most of us think the same way)

Because you are addicted (in some way). Most of us. 

We also curious about how the Unity works, the new things, graphics etc.

But you are right. I paid a few times (to a higher rank account), but I would not do that anymore if they force me to abandon my TOF garage without a transfer. They will, even if they keep it for a while. TOF must die for several reason.

I will try TOU for sure. Will I pay? It is up to you TO. Could you get back your credibility? I hope so...

 

As far as I remember not long ago they communicated that there will be at least a compensation in TOU for those paid money in TOF. This hints that there will be no transfer. Sad.

 

Anyone can play TOF and enjoy the game free even today by opening new and new accounts and playing up to the rank WO5. Above that the drugging and unbalanced garages are more frequent. Of course I know it is not the same playing with an M0 or M2 (not to say M3 and +). Anyway, I can likely do that in TOU...

Edited August 26, 2015 by alotharian

[alotharian 8]

The faith in the fair game has also dealt a blow when I met the poll asking about "Tax we have to pay for tanks kept in the garage". As far as I remember it was on 1st of April. So what? Cannot you imagine that they start implementing that to force us to play?

Now I am sceptic.

Edited August 26, 2015 by alotharian

[zainslimshady 474]

Because you are addicted (in some way). Most of us. 

We also curious about how the Unity works, the new things, graphics etc.

But you are right. I paid a few times (to a higher rank account), but I would not do that anymore if they force me to abandon my TOF garage without a transfer. They will, even if they keep it for a while. TOF must die for several reason.

I will try TOU for sure. Will I pay? It is up to you TO. Could you get back your credibility? I hope so...

 

As far as I remember not long ago they communicated that there will be at least a compensation in TOU for those paid money in TOF. This hints that there will be no transfer. Sad.

 

Anyone can play TOF and enjoy the game free even today by opening new and new accounts and playing up to the rank WO5. Above that the drugging and unbalanced garages are more frequent. Of course I know it is not the same playing with an M0 or M2 (not to say M3 and +). Anyway, I can likely do that in TOU...

well i agree with you. but my addiction is with online gaming. i can get on steam there are best games out there. why should i waste my time playing unity version of tanki(if i have to start from the beginning) cause we dont know they might will abandon untiy too after 4-5 years lol

 

and all our money & time will  simply be wasted.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

 

....   and all our money & time will  simply be wasted.

We should look at it from their point of view for a second. If you choose to be a buyer and you have been happily playing, then it is not a waste. You got what you paid for, entertainment. I'm not saying they shouldn't offer a real good incentive to switch to Unity to those that helped them achieve their success. A "thank-you for your loyalty" would be nice and kind of expected, but Tanki has never been very good at saying thank-you.

 

Don't confuse sales etc. with thank-you. They are marketing tricks to get you to spend and everybody uses them.  People may claim that sales are for you and they do offer you an opportunity to save but they are also designed with the companies best interests in mind. That's just how marketing and sales of goods and services works. 

Edited August 26, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Ruined? Changed, perhaps. Everything changes - but the most of players loved the old game.

Chance to get back the past? No.

 

 

We know that feeling.

You are correct. It's called progression. This game has to progress or die. If we just held on to the past all the time we would still be riding around in carts with stone wheels.