The Progress And Decline of tanki

[duck100101 965]

The new tanki is coming very soon, and before you guys remove this tanki and add the new one I would like to say a few things about why we loved this tanki..

 

I will miss this tanki badly and I might even leave the game when new tanki comes..

Can we keep this tanki and also have the new tanki..

 

You guys forget why we loved tanki, it was because it was a fun flash game, now you are trying to make it like a world of tanks game. I think you guys are reaching to far.

 

You are improving this game very much with daily missions, night mode and much more. But you guys are also ruining this game as fast as you are making it better...

 

You keep doing re balances, and changing the game we love 

 

 

Quote from master and commander

 

Dr. Stephen Maturin: By comparison, the Surprise is a somewhat aged man-o-war. Am I not correct?
[Everyone in the room freezes in horror.]
Capt. Jack Aubrey: Would you call me an aged man-o-war, doctor? The Surprise is not old; no one would call her old. She has a bluff bow, lovely lines. She's a fine sea-boat: weatherly, stiff and fast... very fast, if she's well handled. No, she's not old; she's in her prime.

 

 

Topics From Tankers (Unity)

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=279807&do=findComment&comment=4915070

 

Input from tankers

 

Vikingsrallentando

There are multiple areas of pressure to get people to buy crystals. Once people notice what it means to have more power with better supplies, equipment, micro-upgrades, etc. They either give in and hand over the credit card or keep it to themselves and work through it. The game wouldn't survive without the people who don't pay. I wouldn't say those players stop at Brigadier, I'd say around Major. Once people have passed that they generally go farther. The one year, short term kind of gamers wont get passed Major.

 

I thought it was explained in a Vlog that it would be possible to transfer over to Unity...But of course they see it as a new beginning. They would probably rather get the Unity oriented audience that has moved on from Flash and recreate the base of the game from scratch. 

 

I once saw somewhere on the company's site that their goal was to have the game reach 1 billion people by the year 2020. I've not been able to find it since. Even with the new graphics, the current monetary system is what is going to prevent the longer term players that may purchase several times to be prevalent. The fact that there is a sizable amount of players that don't make it past a certain rank should be a red flag. But I digress, Unity is not the knight and shining armor for the game. It will bring out the broader audience(progress), but people will see through the purchasing pressures just as they have prior. More change with the new platform will be key.

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Satans-Rotweiler

I would think tanki makes most of its revenue from lower ranks/new players.

Like anything, when it is new, it is interesting and more enjoyable and people more likely to drop a few $$ on it.  But you can only blow someone up so many times before it doesn’t give you the same return of satisfaction, it will diminish.

 

From what I have seen, as you move up in ranks, available battles decrease, especially in en. Now when I started there was no shortage of battles, where did all those guys go? They should have progressed at around the same rate as me, so where are they?  From my own experience, I would say brigadier is the start of the end for a lot of players.

 

The game has a shelf life, some people hang around forever but in general, I would think a lot move on after a year, clans may extend it slightly but I would think only for the minority.

 

The fact Tanki has refused to put all those rumours to rest regarding accounts not being transferred to unity only makes it more obvious that they are not worried about losing all those high rank players. It only really affects high rankers and yet tanki is not able to reassure them, if they were Tanki’s golden egg, Tanki’s first priority would be to put them at ease. I don’t think they are as important to tanki’s bottom line as they like to think they are.

 

They may lose current players with the move to unity and the change of graphics but I am sure some genius locked up in the tanki basement figures they will increase their target market with the improvements and they are not too worried about what the current batch of players think because the new batch of players are around the next corner.

 

I guess Tanki wants to be McDonalds, be everywhere and making lots of money rather than a fancy restaurant catering to sentimentalism. Way of the world unfortunately.

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zainslimshady

well some people are even saying that. we have to start from the start in Unity Tanki because Devs arent sure if they will be able to transfer our garage,rank etc. and if we do not get the same garage and rank in the new tanki. then everything is ruined. quit Tanki try out other games

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Hazel's Feed back

 

Hazel-Rah

That is kinda sad that Unity development gone dark recently and there are no information around to rely on. Naturally this kind of topics start to popping, spreading guesses and rumors.

 

Let's clear-up few things. Please note that I am not the one who makes all the decisions and some things might change in future, but here how it goes right now:

• Tanki Online Unity is a new game. It might have even its own name. But this is not the update, it is a separated product.
• Tanki Online Flash is planned to be updated constantly at least a year or two. As long as player's interest will be there, the game will be there.
• As long as TOU and TOF are different games when you talk about "transfer" you talk about actually doubling player's garage as long as nobody will ever remove your stuff from the old game.
• In this case if there should or should not be a transfer is yet to be decided. But please don't think like we are going to take everything away from you. The question is what are we going to give those who are going to play the new game. Devs are not insane to place all their bets on new unreleased game and ruin what is working and bringing in revenue.
• The new game ain't going to be World of Tanks or Armored Warfare or War Thunder rip-off. This is going to same Tanki.
• Our goal is to transfer gameplay and physics as close as it possible. Realism and tank physics simulation is something we never put on top of gameplay, we are not going to change this approach.
• And maps are going to be same small tight battlegrounds, we are just adding some scenery to the background. Picture playing on Rio with authentic backgrounds? Something like that.

So umm... this is just my personal opinion, but it is going to be cool. Old game will stay as it is (less new features, but what can you do) and the new game will hopefully kick in. I think about this whole unity deveopment thing as if the game is Counterstike. Old one is still out there, you know.

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Satans-Rotweiler

In reply to hazel rah

I can accept what you have said and respect that you took the time to clarify a few points.

I can also accept that Tanki does allow decent enough communication between the developers and the players which you don’t get with a lot of other games.

 

That being said, I think what has contributed to the confusion and rumours  is Tanki’s poor handling of the situation. It was Tanki who muddied the waters regarding the two different products. If it is a separate product then it should have been kept separate from the start.

 

Semyon Kirov

Posted 28 Apr 2014 - 11:08

Will there be a way to switch from the current Tanki to the new version? Or will players have to start from the beginning?
The new Tanki and the current version will both exist at the same time.
You will be able to play any of the 2 versions.
You will also be able to copy your account from the old Tanki to the new one, but only once.
This will copy your rank, crystals and garage.
After that you will be able to play both the old Tanki and the new version

 

 

There have been a few different topics regarding certain aspects of the game and the replies from Tanki’s moderators are usually along the lines of “developers are too busy working on unity”,  “tanki doesn’t have the manpower to deal with certain issues because of unity “ .

If it is going to be a new product then really telling players of the current game that developers are busy working on its replacement rather than addressing the current issues is not good enough. I know Tanki has thrown out a few improvements recently but I am sure a lot of flash players will wonder what other benefits/ improvements  could have been achieved by now if the developers were focused 100% on the current game eg: (mults, cheaters, hackers).

 

Current players were excited, they were led to believe something exciting was coming and we were all going to be a part of it. They had more patience because they felt it was going to be worth it for a better game. Now if flash is going to be run as a separate entity, then really any benefits or improvements that come with the new Tanki are of no concern to the flash players unless they abandon their current account and start over.

 

I guess flash players are starting to realise that they are going to be continually the poor relation to unity. It is inconceivable that Flash players who don’t abandon their accounts will be given the same consideration and support as the  unity version which is going to be Tanki’s flagship for the coming years.

 

So rather than being able to celebrate Tanki’s rebirth and move forward in unity (pun intended) we are going to be witness to its slow demise with battles becoming fewer and fewer and chat eventually falling silent.

 

Personally I had a feeling something like this could happen so I decided not to put any more money into the game a while back until I knew more but I could certainly understand any recent buyers unhappiness with the recent news. They will be kings of an empty castle. Personally I got my money’s worth so I am not too concerned.

 

Ps: Granted the decision has not yet been made regarding transfer but it is no longer definite either.

 

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Lord-of-the-Snipers

True, but still not the most important one:

 

It 's in the interest of both Tanki and the players that Tanki Unity becomes a success.

It 's up to Tanki in my view to make this happen as soon as possible.

To be clear: the still unanswered question about account transfer should be answered soon and

in a way that it is positive for both parties.

TO 's economy shouldn 't suffer for logical reasons, on the other hand there must be a satisfactory solution for us players

who worked hard for our account(s): buyers and non-buyers alike.

 

In this way we will have a quick transfer of most of our community to TO Unity.

This will more or less automatically lead to the end of Tanki Flash.

Somehow sad but things change and Adobe 's Flash has become a dead end

 

Though I love the many good parts of the old TO Flash it 's a fact that TO Unity has the future.

Granted TO Unity will have it 's own problems, like the loss of all browser support in the coming years but I believe most of us

will be using TO Unity as a standalone client very soon.

It will mean less lag and all those other issues that occur when playing through a browser. We 've all been there with some kind

of an error...

A standalone client will improve our gaming experience, which is in everybody 's interest.

 

Some players would like to stick to Tanki Flash, I do understand that and TO holds up the illussion that this will be the case.

So that we can have two healthy TO versions at the same time.

Personally I don 't believe this for one minute.

Some will say: why not, there are other game with more versions like Counterstrike.

Well, we don 't have the same large pool of players and you need certain numbers to keep a game going.

 

All energy and effort will soon be going to TO Unity and though TO Flash will keep support as TO claims, even updates,

it 's not at all in their interest to keep these two seperate games going.

Not in our interest either if Tanki finds the right solution for the account transfer I believe.

If they don 't, we will indeed have two seperate TO 's, because many (long-time) players will stay in TO Flash if their 

account becomes worthless in TO Unity and IMO two TO 's will eventually mean the end of both and

consequently Alternativa Company. We 're just not big enough to have two.

 

Two seperate games means two seperate communities: less battles to choose from, maybe still doable in peak hours,

but what about the more quit times on the servers due to the timezones?

They will need a large TO staff to keep two completely different running games going, which simply means more servers,

more personel and salary that all has to be paid.

Which is good for employment, but in nowadays very competetive economy sadly not good for most companies.

 

No, we have to say goodbye to TO Flash as soon as possible IMO when the new TO Unity is running smoothly.

Hopefully with good marketing from TO and us players being enthusiastic about TO Unity (if it 's good ofcourse,

but I believe it wil be: we will need some time to get accustomed to it, different looks etc. but that 's normal)

and spreading that news that "there 's a (shiny) new kid in town" there 's not a lot to keep TO Unity

from becoming a huge success!

 

It 's completely up to you Tanki: which path will you choose?

Edited September 6, 2015 by duck100101

[zStreSs 24]

Flash TO will be still alive even after new Unity version will be released. In fact, flash will continue being a played game... but just if devs don't fail with updates.

 

TO isn't how it was, new updates ruined it at all... so...

[dilsharox 2,395]

everything has its pros & cons

who is that guy in the video?

[duck100101 965]

everything has its pros & cons

who is that guy in the video?

Me...

[duck100101 965]

Flash TO will be still alive even after new Unity version will be released. In fact, flash will continue being a played game... but just if devs don't fail with updates.

 

TO isn't how it was, new updates ruined it at all... so...

Are you sure, I talked with semyon hey said no flash..

[dilsharox 2,395]

Me...

lol ok so u have made 13 VLOG's about tanki?

[duck100101 965]

lol ok so u have made 13 VLOG's about tanki?

Mostly all my vlogs are about tanki

[Dark-Rim 183]

Moon silence time period... back then it was the perfect game. ( minus the hackers )

[zStreSs 24]

Are you sure, I talked with semyon hey said no flash..

 

When said something like that? Devs told us FLASH WILL CONTINUE alive. Why devs ruin Flash with all those updates if they will close it? Just think about it. Why should they work for crap updates for something that will die? Flash will remaine same.

[r_stdin0 11]

Why devs ruin Flash with all those updates if they will close it? Just think about it. Why should they work for crap updates for something that will die? .

Wait until 2018, when Adobe officially drop security support for flash, then you can re-ask yourself those questions.

[Darren4Turbo 4,913]

I agree with you, but I want the new tanki.

[duck100101 965]

Wait until 2018, when Adobe officially drop security support for flash, then you can re-ask yourself those questions.

Wait till you see unity

 

Laggy and gliths all over

[duck100101 965]

Moon silence time period... back then it was the perfect game. ( minus the hackers )

I loved tanki so much, back then!

 

I agree with you, but I want the new tanki.

Ok, new tanki maybe fun, I guess we will have to wait and see..

[Loackie 269]

 

You guys forget why we loved tanki, it was because it was a fun flash game, now you are trying to make it like a world of tanks game. I think you guys are reaching to far.

 

You are improving this game very much with daily missions, night mode and much more. But you guys are also ruining this game as fast as you are making it better...

 

You keep doing re balances, and changing the game we love

I wish we still had cameras with film that we had to take to the film store to have one copy of a picture that we can't tell if we took correctly.

 

I wish we still had clothesline hangars where we had to hope that the other support wouldn't fall or other people wouldn't steal the clothes.

 

I wish we still had to cook food with sunlight and ceramic bowls.

 

I wish today was August 11, 1880.

 

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You're kidding me right?

 

Unity is a great engine and it can only get better assuming the devs know what they're doing. If they aren't it's going to be old tanki except flashier.

 

Unity would also be a great time to fix problems such as UI elements and design issues.

 

You seriously don't want that to change? There's so many great games that have been made using Unity.

 

The day that the control scheme changes is the day that Isida gets balanced properly, the game isn't going to become a Street Fighter if it uses Unity.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Loackie

[duck100101 965]

^

 

I am saying that flash has it's own charm to it..

 

Flash is fun, many people love it..

 

If I want to have a game with really good graphics, I will just play world of tanks, which I also love..

 

 

You call flash tanki old, the new tanki will be a very strategic game, unlike flash which was a fun mmo game..

 

This pic looks like it is a very big map with less action

 

[genak138 950]

^^ Compare the size of that map to Berlin. :)

 

Besides, that's just the map they're doing a lot of the demos and testing on. I think the reason they do so much testing on a big map is because they want to be able to test lots of different things at the same time, so they have a bigger map for all those things to test.

And in one of the V-Logs, they showed a recreation of Boombox in Unity, so we know small maps will stay :D

Edited August 11, 2015 by genak138

[duck100101 965]

I guess so, but trust me they will ruin the physics.

 

It will just be so different, I will miss this tanki badly

 

Tanki is gaining popularity, over 50k views in 4 days for Star Series.. I just hope they don't ruin the game, like they have done in the past.

 

The game now, works good, before it was great (2012-2013). I just hope they don't make it even worse...

Edited August 12, 2015 by duck100101

[dragonssk1 334]

Very good points Duck! I lost so much interest in the game that I don't really play anymore. The events are boring and we rarely have them anymore. Also the updates are mostly poor and it doesn't make me want to play the game. I don't have that crave or excitement anymore like I did when i as a noob :(

[ll.DonT.Even.Try.ll 513]

who is that guy in the video?

Is it a guy or a girl? :mellow: :huh:

[dilsharox 2,395]

Is it a guy or a girl? :mellow: :huh:

lol 

i thought that person was a girl when i saw the video first but that person turned out be a boy

 

Me...

[duck100101 965]

Lol

Edited August 13, 2015 by duck100101

[duck100101 965]

[duck100101 965]

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=278972&page=1

Edited August 13, 2015 by duck100101

[zainslimshady 474]

well some people are even saying that. we have to start from the start in Unity Tanki because Devs arent sure if they will be able to transfer our garage,rank etc. and if we do not get the same garage and rank in the new tanki. then everything is ruined. quit Tanki try out other games

Edited August 13, 2015 by zainslimshady

[creeperskelly 1,281]

I wish we still had cameras with film that we had to take to the film store to have one copy of a picture that we can't tell if we took correctly.

 

I wish we still had clothesline hangars where we had to hope that the other support wouldn't fall or other people wouldn't steal the clothes.

 

I wish we still had to cook food with sunlight and ceramic bowls.

 

I wish today was August 11, 1880.

 

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You're kidding me right?

 

Unity is a great engine and it can only get better assuming the devs know what they're doing. If they aren't it's going to be old tanki except flashier.

 

Unity would also be a great time to fix problems such as UI elements and design issues.

 

You seriously don't want that to change? There's so many great games that have been made using Unity.

 

The day that the control scheme changes is the day that Isida gets balanced properly, the game isn't going to become a Street Fighter if it uses Unity.

Not all games improve with a newer graphics engine. Unreal Tournament went down the ****ter when they released Unreal Engine 2. They further killed it with Unreal Engine 3. Why? Because they forgot what made the original so great and thought people would buy it because of prettier graphics. The original release in 1999 still ranks as the best of the entire series.

 

Better graphics do not necessarily a better game make.,