declined Option to display gender

r_I_already_won0 · October 24, 2016

Too much Politicly Correctness Issues for something like this to be implemented

And that's just to add on to the fact that this is completely useless and, literally, has no benefits at all

No one cares about political correctness ;)

but Tanki is a Russian company anyway...

r_I_already_won0 · October 24, 2016

As it was me, who colored a text in pink, you maybe talk to me here.

Well I apriciate that you are against sexism. Me too by the way.

Maybe we should talk about typical colors and associations

Maybe you should check the usual associatoins that humans have with colors (https://www.google.at/search?q=colour+associations).

This is part of science and widely used in crafting logos for companies. Colors _do_ awake associations; and the things that are associated with certain colors are widely simmilar throughout people of simmilar cultures.

Red is more agressive then green. Black is more like death then blue. Blue is more like honor then yellow. Red and blue are more for kings then pink. And so on.

And guess what: the clothing and accessoirs industy uses this even more. A lot of things that do not look feminie on women (like thick gloves for skiing or snowboarding, thick winter jackets or other stuff) receives a PINK color stripe, some pink or white flower logo tiched onto it, or something else to give it a feminine touch.

So many girls like those, that this stuff is sold since years! They obviously like it.

I hardly see any woman (no matter which age) with spiderman shirts. This is no coincidence.

So the reason why I used the pink text was that it fits the association that I wanted to induce in the reader. The target was to write a line, that pretends to be a inmature, playfull, feminine girly. And I bet the association worked for most.

Why? Because it reflects their average learnings from the real life.

Yes, sterotypes are actually based on real life experience.. see more below

To judge people within seconds and cast them into stereotypes is a major simplification used by our brain.

Everyone does that (as long as his/her brains are healty)

And the base for most stereotypes is actually true experience:

You meet someone, the person has boobs (size may vary) and a slim non-masculine body and you stereotype her to be a female.

You meet someone with no boobs, maculine body and you stereotype him to be a boy.

-> Usefull, Isn't it? I am pretty happy, that we received that gift, because it's better to stereotype in advance, then to find out the truth much later in the eavening ;)

But it is only "good" if it is used as a hint.. to grasp a first idea whom you face.

If someone starts to believe his stereotypes are valid all the time, and belives those more instead of looking into the person infront of him.. he has mastered the bad art of stereotyping. Also if someone crafts his stereotypes based on single experiences (instead based on many experiences) he might be mislead.

=> So stereotypes are usefull if they are based on a valid sized experience pool; but still then they do not tell you the complete truth about that person -he/her might be actually quite different.

(and pls note your own usefull color associations of green and red while you read the lines above ;))

So I kindly ask you to stop using the word of "sexism" easily. It is an discussion killer, that casts people into the "be ashamed corner".

If I might ask you friendly for something:

Think through all of this by yourself. Don't accepting those brainwash lines published by those gender mainstream crap that we face today everywhere around. And then you might see it differently.

+15,894 points.

Magenta · October 25, 2016

As it was me, who colored a text in pink, you maybe talk to me here.

Well I apriciate that you are against sexism. Me too by the way.

Maybe we should talk about typical colors and associations

Maybe you should check the usual associatoins that humans have with colors (https://www.google.at/search?q=colour+associations).

This is part of science and widely used in crafting logos for companies. Colors _do_ awake associations; and the things that are associated with certain colors are widely simmilar throughout people of simmilar cultures.

Red is more agressive then green. Black is more like death then blue. Blue is more like honor then yellow. Red and blue are more for kings then pink. And so on.

And guess what: the clothing and accessoirs industy uses this even more. A lot of things that do not look feminie on women (like thick gloves for skiing or snowboarding, thick winter jackets or other stuff) receives a PINK color stripe, some pink or white flower logo tiched onto it, or something else to give it a feminine touch.

So many girls like those, that this stuff is sold since years! They obviously like it.

I hardly see any woman (no matter which age) with spiderman shirts. This is no coincidence.

So the reason why I used the pink text was that it fits the association that I wanted to induce in the reader. The target was to write a line, that pretends to be a inmature, playfull, feminine girly. And I bet the association worked for most.

Why? Because it reflects their average learnings from the real life.

Yes, sterotypes are actually based on real life experience.. see more below

To judge people within seconds and cast them into stereotypes is a major simplification used by our brain.

Everyone does that (as long as his/her brains are healty)

And the base for most stereotypes is actually true experience:

You meet someone, the person has boobs (size may vary) and a slim non-masculine body and you stereotype her to be a female.

You meet someone with no boobs, maculine body and you stereotype him to be a boy.

-> Usefull, Isn't it? I am pretty happy, that we received that gift, because it's better to stereotype in advance, then to find out the truth much later in the eavening ;)

But it is only "good" if it is used as a hint.. to grasp a first idea whom you face.

If someone starts to believe his stereotypes are valid all the time, and belives those more instead of looking into the person infront of him.. he has mastered the bad art of stereotyping. Also if someone crafts his stereotypes based on single experiences (instead based on many experiences) he might be mislead.

=> So stereotypes are usefull if they are based on a valid sized experience pool; but still then they do not tell you the complete truth about that person -he/her might be actually quite different.

(and pls note your own usefull color associations of green and red while you read the lines above ;))

So I kindly ask you to stop using the word of "sexism" easily. It is an discussion killer, that casts people into the "be ashamed corner".

If I might ask you friendly for something:

Think through all of this by yourself. Don't accepting those brainwash lines published by those gender mainstream crap that we face today everywhere around. And then you might see it differently.

ok. bfr starting, let me tell u. i have written a lot. so plz read it FULLY bfr commenting.

first of all, industries place the pink logos flowers etc. for another reason, really. they, firstly, brainwash people into believing all that pink-for-girls things. then, they use it as an advantage, as u mentioned, to make it look feminine. whatever u might say, one thing is fact: industries and politicians always do things for their own benefits, they take advantage of anything that might give them an advantage. self-interest only. and what is femininity? what is masculinity? what's the difference? what makes one think girls are different/better/worse than men anyway? and what makes one think men are different/better/worse in anyway? the only difference is, that women have the ability to bear children. their gametes are bigger than that of men, really. everything else is an aftermath of that. women are thought to be homie, we think they shall not go to office or play football or do much of any physical work, or much of anything men can do. we think them to be weak. y? cuz men themselves don't want to clear their babies potty and all, so y not assign women for that? already men were at an advantage - i am talking about a primitive time, when people had time to think after agricultural revolution, and they did think and things like philosophy came into the picture - they didn't necessarily have to take care of their babies. y didnt they have to, u might ask.

ok, bfr we answer that, let's take some biology class :P.

many philosophers have struggles for their whole lives to find out the meaning of life. biology makes it simpler. the point of life is (biological point of view ofc :P) to but pass on your genes. everything is an aftermath of that. genes want to get passed on. they ofc consciously don't "think" so. those chemical molecules htat are capable of making their own copies leave behind their heirs, the copies that they had made during their "life"time. this way, the molecules capable of making their own copies become more abundant in the world. thats all. slowly, the molecules more capable of reproducing (thats what we will call "making copies" from now on) become more abundant than their competitors. then, as u might realize, evolution has taken its hold. i don't have to explain evolution now, do i :)? anyway, let's not sway from main topic. so, genes just wanna get passed on. female humans can't reproduce in bulk, since after one birth their body changes a big deal. whereas males don't go under any changes as such. they can reproduce with one woman, and then another and so on. male gametes, called sperms, are also produced plentifully in their bodies. so automatically, females are more protective of their babies, cuz if that baby is lost, then the female might not get a chance to pass on her genes. whereas males don't. if there baby is lost, they still have plenty of chances left. like this, slowly males start dominating on females. this mostly happens in all animals. but in humans, men apparently seem to have taken advantage of this, and now go to such measures as to practically think of women as their property (this happens in many middle eastern nations). so thats really the root of all gender discrimination. men now have designed ways to keep women under control. burqas, for example, is one such way. brainwashing them into believing that they're weak, they are not supposed to do anything but be at home taking care of their babies, they shouldn't go out and play, they shouldn't be with stranger males blah blah blah etc. etc. etc. assigning and associating them with flowers, is also one way. in tanki tho, theres a common thought that isidas r females. <----bullcrap. tell that to the NS, they will handle such myths better than me :lol:. similarly, we have also assigned women the colour pink. u said that

such colour associations are used for commercial purposes.
as i said, thats really a useless argument, i specified y so long above ^
colour associations r useful to us
ok, but didnt u once think why pink to women? well, if u do some internet research, pink is the colour for "love" and "peace". again, y associate women with these things? y associate women with love? well, y, to ofc keep them under control of men, to brainwash people into thinking of women as weak, to brainwash the women as well!

actually, in the modern era, men too actually BELIEVE all this brainwashing stuff. they have been brainwashed by their previous generation, who again might not have consciously brainwashed that gen, and so on. its likely that at first, one (might not be one, may have been many) generation might have genuinely and consciously brainwashed all the people, who then ingeniously and unconsciously brainwashed all the people who were to come.

i agree colour associations might be in built in us and might be useful, but i don't agree with the pink thing. i expressed my reason for doing so above ^ just now.

and rest assured, u said

"(and pls note your own usefull color associations of green and red while you read the lines above ;))"

tbh, i didn't do any association. all that i thought of was that those colours really hurt my eyes and it was a real pain to read them.

and lets not continue this argument publicly, if u want to continue at all. theres PM and other social media for that. debating about these things i think might not be supported by the tanki administration....u never know, but lets not take any chances.

tanks ;)

~Evans

r_I_already_won0 · October 25, 2016

ok. bfr starting, let me tell u. i have written a lot. so plz read it FULLY bfr commenting.

first of all, industries place the pink logos flowers etc. for another reason, really. they, firstly, brainwash people into believing all that pink-for-girls things. then, they use it as an advantage, as u mentioned, to make it look feminine. whatever u might say, one thing is fact: industries and politicians always do things for their own benefits, they take advantage of anything that might give them an advantage. self-interest only. and what is femininity? what is masculinity? what's the difference? what makes one think girls are different/better/worse than men anyway? and what makes one think men are different/better/worse in anyway? the only difference is, that women have the ability to bear children. their gametes are bigger than that of men, really. everything else is an aftermath of that. women are thought to be homie, we think they shall not go to office or play football or do much of any physical work, or much of anything men can do. we think them to be weak. y? cuz men themselves don't want to clear their babies potty and all, so y not assign women for that? already men were at an advantage - i am talking about a primitive time, when people had time to think after agricultural revolution, and they did think and things like philosophy came into the picture - they didn't necessarily have to take care of their babies. y didnt they have to, u might ask.

ok, bfr we answer that, let's take some biology class :P.

many philosophers have struggles for their whole lives to find out the meaning of life. biology makes it simpler. the point of life is (biological point of view ofc :P) to but pass on your genes. everything is an aftermath of that. genes want to get passed on. they ofc consciously don't "think" so. those chemical molecules htat are capable of making their own copies leave behind their heirs, the copies that they had made during their "life"time. this way, the molecules capable of making their own copies become more abundant in the world. thats all. slowly, the molecules more capable of reproducing (thats what we will call "making copies" from now on) become more abundant than their competitors. then, as u might realize, evolution has taken its hold. i don't have to explain evolution now, do i :)? anyway, let's not sway from main topic. so, genes just wanna get passed on. female humans can't reproduce in bulk, since after one birth their body changes a big deal. whereas males don't go under any changes as such. they can reproduce with one woman, and then another and so on. male gametes, called sperms, are also produced plentifully in their bodies. so automatically, females are more protective of their babies, cuz if that baby is lost, then the female might not get a chance to pass on her genes. whereas males don't. if there baby is lost, they still have plenty of chances left. like this, slowly males start dominating on females. this mostly happens in all animals. but in humans, men apparently seem to have taken advantage of this, and now go to such measures as to practically think of women as their property (this happens in many middle eastern nations). so thats really the root of all gender discrimination. men now have designed ways to keep women under control. burqas, for example, is one such way. brainwashing them into believing that they're weak, they are not supposed to do anything but be at home taking care of their babies, they shouldn't go out and play, they shouldn't be with stranger males blah blah blah etc. etc. etc. assigning and associating them with flowers, is also one way. in tanki tho, theres a common thought that isidas r females. <----bullcrap. tell that to the NS, they will handle such myths better than me :lol:. similarly, we have also assigned women the colour pink. u said that

such colour associations are used for commercial purposes.
as i said, thats really a useless argument, i specified y so long above ^

colour associations r useful to us
ok, but didnt u once think why pink to women? well, if u do some internet research, pink is the colour for "love" and "peace". again, y associate women with these things? y associate women with love? well, y, to ofc keep them under control of men, to brainwash people into thinking of women as weak, to brainwash the women as well!

actually, in the modern era, men too actually BELIEVE all this brainwashing stuff. they have been brainwashed by their previous generation, who again might not have consciously brainwashed that gen, and so on. its likely that at first, one (might not be one, may have been many) generation might have genuinely and consciously brainwashed all the people, who then ingeniously and unconsciously brainwashed all the people who were to come.

i agree colour associations might be in built in us and might be useful, but i don't agree with the pink thing. i expressed my reason for doing so above ^ just now.

and rest assured, u said

"(and pls note your own usefull color associations of green and red while you read the lines above ;))"

tbh, i didn't do any association. all that i thought of was that those colours really hurt my eyes and it was a real pain to read them.

and lets not continue this argument publicly, if u want to continue at all. theres PM and other social media for that. debating about these things i think might not be supported by the tanki administration....u never know, but lets not take any chances.

tanks ;)

~Evans

So what are you trying to say? According to biology, males are superior to females from a purely biological perspective. Is that your point? Maybe it's true, but we humans are above judging things by pure biological status. Humans can think and recognize the inherent vale of every person. From biology and biology only comes the notion that females should stay in the house and take care of domestic issues. Biology is really the root of all sexism. Humans, however, are different in that way. We can think and feel and not just people only by "how does their existence benefit me?"So what is the point of your big biology discussion?

And your view that pink a made-up stereotype furthered by marketing is notably false. No one here (at least I hope) thinks that females should or do only like pink, purple, etc. No one here believes that males only like red, blue, orange, etc. But all stereotypes have their root in fact. Studies have shown that female's favorite color can be anything. But femininity is represented as pink. As to men, their favorite color could be anything, But the traditional representation of masculinity is red/orange. So when people market these colors they are really targeting *females that are attracted to a feminine ideal* rather than all females, which obviously buy other colors as well. The real steroetype is that "all females are feminine" rather than "females like pink". And as I said before, the large majority of females have a feminine ideal. This is not stereotyping, this is fact.

The rest is ridiculous. Idk if you have read classics that deal with such an issue, such as C.S. Lewis's Perelandra. But masculine and feminine are even more real than male and female. Male and female are simply how masculine and feminine represent themselves in living things and biology. There IS a fundamental difference. This is no way leads to the proposition that masculine is superior to feminine, or that females must be feminine and males must be masculine. But the important thing to understand here is the distinction between male/female and masculine/feminine. Male and female have much in common. Females can do almost everything males can do, and vice versa. But masculine and feminine are divided by a (figurative) blank wall. So please don't call out people for sexism when they are talking of a different issue.

The important thing is that not all females are feminine and not all males are masculine, but masculine and feminine ARE different, and they have differences which do not lead to the conclusion that one is superior to the other.

And on the topic of isidas understood as females (false), doesn't making it solely a healing turret reinforce that stereotype?(at least for the children). ;)

Magenta · October 25, 2016

So what are you trying to say? According to biology, males are superior to females from a purely biological perspective. Is that your point? Maybe it's true, but we humans are above judging things by pure biological status. Humans can think and recognize the inherent vale of every person. From biology and biology only comes the notion that females should stay in the house and take care of domestic issues. Biology is really the root of all sexism. Humans, however, are different in that way. We can think and feel and not just people only by "how does their existence benefit me?"So what is the point of your big biology discussion?

And your view that pink a made-up stereotype furthered by marketing is notably false. No one here (at least I hope) thinks that females should or do only like pink, purple, etc. No one here believes that males only like red, blue, orange, etc. But all stereotypes have their root in fact. Studies have shown that female's favorite color can be anything. But femininity is represented as pink. As to men, their favorite color could be anything, But the traditional representation of masculinity is red/orange. So when people market these colors they are really targeting *females that are attracted to a feminine ideal* rather than all females, which obviously buy other colors as well. The real steroetype is that "all females are feminine" rather than "females like pink". And as I said before, the large majority of females have a feminine ideal. This is not stereotyping, this is fact.

The rest is ridiculous. Idk if you have read classics that deal with such an issue, such as C.S. Lewis's Perelandra. But masculine and feminine are even more real than male and female. Male and female are simply how masculine and feminine represent themselves in living things and biology. There IS a fundamental difference. This is no way leads to the proposition that masculine is superior to feminine, or that females must be feminine and males must be masculine. But the important thing to understand here is the distinction between male/female and masculine/feminine. Male and female have much in common. Females can do almost everything males can do, and vice versa. But masculine and feminine are divided by a (figurative) blank wall. So please don't call out people for sexism when they are talking of a different issue.

The important thing is that not all females are feminine and not all males are masculine, but masculine and feminine ARE different, and they have differences which do not lead to the conclusion that one is superior to the other.

And on the topic of isidas understood as females (false), doesn't making it solely a healing turret reinforce that stereotype?(at least for the children). ;)

that was exactly NOT my point. either i didnt represent properly or u misinterpreted. but fyi that exactly wasnt my point.

r_I_already_won0 · October 25, 2016

that was exactly NOT my point. either i didnt represent properly or u misinterpreted. but fyi that exactly wasnt my point.

No, I knew it wasn't your point, I was just articulating on something you said later about the clothing industry perpetrating gender discrimination and stating it in a way I like.

Dusk · October 25, 2016

I hope this is introduced soon so that I can glean golds from thirsty rich boys

Magenta · October 25, 2016

No, I knew it wasn't your point, I was just articulating on something you said later about the clothing industry perpetrating gender discrimination and stating it in a way I like.

O_+

Phoenix.Raised · October 25, 2016

So many walls of text...

omrot · October 25, 2016

No one cares about political correctness ;)

but Tanki is a Russian company anyway...

I don'y see how this feature will earn AlternativaPlatform more money (they seem to crave money badly)

r_I_already_won0 · October 25, 2016

I don'y see how this feature will earn AlternativaPlatform more money (they seem to crave money badly)

Maybe you can only display this feature with a premium account? ;)

VaudeVille · October 25, 2016

So many walls of text...

Zzzzz

Gender doesn't affect gameplay in anyway and some guys do like pink while there are girls who like blue (NS).

Bottom line: Useless topic & useless feature.

Wow u still here :blink:

Keep going

Almost there...

Conspiracy Theory: Donald Trump is behind this idea!!1!1!

BlackWasp777 · October 25, 2016

ok. bfr starting, let me tell u. i have written a lot. so plz read it FULLY bfr commenting.

first of all, industries place the pink logos flowers etc. for another reason, really. they, firstly, brainwash people into believing all that pink-for-girls things. then, they use it as an advantage, as u mentioned, to make it look feminine. whatever u might say, one thing is fact: industries and politicians always do things for their own benefits, they take advantage of anything that might give them an advantage. self-interest only. and what is femininity? what is masculinity? what's the difference? what makes one think girls are different/better/worse than men anyway? and what makes one think men are different/better/worse in anyway? the only difference is, that women have the ability to bear children. their gametes are bigger than that of men, really. everything else is an aftermath of that. women are thought to be homie, we think they shall not go to office or play football or do much of any physical work, or much of anything men can do. we think them to be weak. y? cuz men themselves don't want to clear their babies potty and all, so y not assign women for that? already men were at an advantage - i am talking about a primitive time, when people had time to think after agricultural revolution, and they did think and things like philosophy came into the picture - they didn't necessarily have to take care of their babies. y didnt they have to, u might ask.

ok, bfr we answer that, let's take some biology class :P.

many philosophers have struggles for their whole lives to find out the meaning of life. biology makes it simpler. the point of life is (biological point of view ofc :P) to but pass on your genes. everything is an aftermath of that. genes want to get passed on. they ofc consciously don't "think" so. those chemical molecules htat are capable of making their own copies leave behind their heirs, the copies that they had made during their "life"time. this way, the molecules capable of making their own copies become more abundant in the world. thats all. slowly, the molecules more capable of reproducing (thats what we will call "making copies" from now on) become more abundant than their competitors. then, as u might realize, evolution has taken its hold. i don't have to explain evolution now, do i :)? anyway, let's not sway from main topic. so, genes just wanna get passed on. female humans can't reproduce in bulk, since after one birth their body changes a big deal. whereas males don't go under any changes as such. they can reproduce with one woman, and then another and so on. male gametes, called sperms, are also produced plentifully in their bodies. so automatically, females are more protective of their babies, cuz if that baby is lost, then the female might not get a chance to pass on her genes. whereas males don't. if there baby is lost, they still have plenty of chances left. like this, slowly males start dominating on females. this mostly happens in all animals. but in humans, men apparently seem to have taken advantage of this, and now go to such measures as to practically think of women as their property (this happens in many middle eastern nations). so thats really the root of all gender discrimination. men now have designed ways to keep women under control. burqas, for example, is one such way. brainwashing them into believing that they're weak, they are not supposed to do anything but be at home taking care of their babies, they shouldn't go out and play, they shouldn't be with stranger males blah blah blah etc. etc. etc. assigning and associating them with flowers, is also one way. in tanki tho, theres a common thought that isidas r females. <----bullcrap. tell that to the NS, they will handle such myths better than me :lol:. similarly, we have also assigned women the colour pink. u said that

such colour associations are used for commercial purposes.
as i said, thats really a useless argument, i specified y so long above ^

colour associations r useful to us
ok, but didnt u once think why pink to women? well, if u do some internet research, pink is the colour for "love" and "peace". again, y associate women with these things? y associate women with love? well, y, to ofc keep them under control of men, to brainwash people into thinking of women as weak, to brainwash the women as well!

actually, in the modern era, men too actually BELIEVE all this brainwashing stuff. they have been brainwashed by their previous generation, who again might not have consciously brainwashed that gen, and so on. its likely that at first, one (might not be one, may have been many) generation might have genuinely and consciously brainwashed all the people, who then ingeniously and unconsciously brainwashed all the people who were to come.

i agree colour associations might be in built in us and might be useful, but i don't agree with the pink thing. i expressed my reason for doing so above ^ just now.
and rest assured, u said

"(and pls note your own usefull color associations of green and red while you read the lines above ;))"

tbh, i didn't do any association. all that i thought of was that those colours really hurt my eyes and it was a real pain to read them.

and lets not continue this argument publicly, if u want to continue at all. theres PM and other social media for that. debating about these things i think might not be supported by the tanki administration....u never know, but lets not take any chances.

tanks ;)

~Evans

buy your girlfirend a 6pack of beer and a can of motoroil for your aniversary.

If she looks unhappy tell her about the benefits of gender mainstreaming and that you just wanted to proove to be no sexist and that you respect her potential to act masculine too. Then continue to tell her about the biological sources of her reaction.. and that humans are above that.

Chances are high that it will be your last aniversary ;)

But at least.. you can drink one beer then. You might need the other 5 cans to cool the headache that comes with the impact force of a 6pack-M3 shot on DoublePower towards your head ;)

@Pink & stereotyping & sexism; in short

You saw my way of using the color pink, and marked me as sexistic. So in fact.. YOU stereotyped ME :)

Pink = accociated with females by most people who can talk English (relates to culture for sure). It does not say all girls like pink, but the association is here and works and therefore I used it. If the source is artificial or not does not matter, as it is a common association and no prision. It does not lead to any limitation or to any negative effects to any woman on earth; so I guess we can forget about sexism here. Agreed?

@gender mainstreaming & brainwash

Equalise chances for boys and girls are great and important. At the same time a good usage of prooven stereotypes helps a lot in life - but only if their user is aware, that evan a prooven stereotype does never tell you 100% about the individual infront of you - and to accept those individual characteristics as "ok".

But gender mainstreaming is taking _some_poor/invalid_ stereotypes as examples in order to claim that _all_ stereotypes (even the prooven ones) are wrong. Then it replacing the wrong _and_ the good and prooven stereotypes with new ones (that tend to fail a lot..), and "forces" people to accept them as "ultimate truth" by calling them "old fashioned" or even "sexists" if they don't.

You talk about biology and you do already see that those roots are the base of the different things that female types and masuline types are good at. Good thing is, that we are made in a way, that the things that we are good at, do make us really happy, if we do them.

So if someone wanna do something good for people.. they shall let them be like they are.. by nature.

I was raised in a time, when eveyone _believed_and_preached_ that feminie types should be able to reach all the stuff that masculine can, and that masculine types can become as good in other stuff that was assigned as feminine. School, TV shows, Movies, Literature.. name it.

And later I've met enough people that went through the same "education & spirit" to see them fail if they tried to life up to it and change their role for some time. It does not work in real life. Of course they can "learn it and do it", and technically they did great. But they din't get happy with it. Not a single one.

I started to read about it.. and obviously this is a widely shared experience that is fails for most (which not anyways liked to act like that).

Seems we are human beeings and some things in our mind are pretty much prewired. If we have two options, with our nature, or against our nature - then one way will makes us happy, while the other won't. Guess which one comes and feels natural, and which one needs to brainwash people first into believing it.

So teach and educate the woman as the boys, give them chances, and let them decide. Don't limit them, not even by using prooven stereotypes. Let females types become what they want; and do the same for masaculine types too. And if a man has a well developed female side and does really good at takeing care of kids in the kindergarden, well then he shall go for it. If a woman has a strong masculine side and gets along with leading a company - perfect.

Magenta · October 26, 2016

buy your girlfirend a 6pack of beer and a can of motoroil for your aniversary.

If she looks unhappy tell her about the benefits of gender mainstreaming and that you just wanted to proove to be no sexist and that you respect her potential to act masculine too. Then continue to tell her about the biological sources of her reaction.. and that humans are above that.

Chances are high that it will be your last aniversary ;)

But at least.. you can drink one beer then. You might need the other 5 cans to cool the headache that comes with the impact force of a 6pack-M3 shot on DoublePower towards your head ;)

@Pink & stereotyping & sexism; in short

You saw my way of using the color pink, and marked me as sexistic. So in fact.. YOU stereotyped ME :)

Pink = accociated with females by most people who can talk English (relates to culture for sure). It does not say all girls like pink, but the association is here and works and therefore I used it. If the source is artificial or not does not matter, as it is a common association and no prision. It does not lead to any limitation or to any negative effects to any woman on earth; so I guess we can forget about sexism here. Agreed?

@gender mainstreaming & brainwash

Equalise chances for boys and girls are great and important. At the same time a good usage of prooven stereotypes helps a lot in life - but only if their user is aware, that evan a prooven stereotype does never tell you 100% about the individual infront of you - and to accept those individual characteristics as "ok".

But gender mainstreaming is taking _some_poor/invalid_ stereotypes as examples in order to claim that _all_ stereotypes (even the prooven ones) are wrong. Then it replacing the wrong _and_ the good and prooven stereotypes with new ones (that tend to fail a lot..), and "forces" people to accept them as "ultimate truth" by calling them "old fashioned" or even "sexists" if they don't.

You talk about biology and you do already see that those roots are the base of the different things that female types and masuline types are good at. Good thing is, that we are made in a way, that the things that we are good at, do make us really happy, if we do them.

So if someone wanna do something good for people.. they shall let them be like they are.. by nature.

I was raised in a time, when eveyone _believed_and_preached_ that feminie types should be able to reach all the stuff that masculine can, and that masculine types can become as good in other stuff that was assigned as feminine. School, TV shows, Movies, Literature.. name it.

And later I've met enough people that went through the same "education & spirit" to see them fail if they tried to life up to it and change their role for some time. It does not work in real life. Of course they can "learn it and do it", and technically they did great. But they din't get happy with it. Not a single one.

I started to read about it.. and obviously this is a widely shared experience that is fails for most (which not anyways liked to act like that).

Seems we are human beeings and some things in our mind are pretty much prewired. If we have two options, with our nature, or against our nature - then one way will makes us happy, while the other won't. Guess which one comes and feels natural, and which one needs to brainwash people first into believing it.

So teach and educate the woman as the boys, give them chances, and let them decide. Don't limit them, not even by using prooven stereotypes. Let females types become what they want; and do the same for masaculine types too. And if a man has a well developed female side and does really good at takeing care of kids in the kindergarden, well then he shall go for it. If a woman has a strong masculine side and gets along with leading a company - perfect.

1st things first. so firstly, i don't have a gf.

2ndly fyki i am just a 14 yr old, and i do have a crush. she says she would definitely love to try out bear and alcohols when she becomes legally eligible to drink :P

and 3rdly, i have no idea by what u mean by 6 packs and motoroil. as i said, i am not into those things much, and am just a 14yr old.

4rthly, i never originally said anythn to u.i just opposed the idea of representing females by the colour pink, originally. thats when u posted a comment quoting and opposing me. lastly, everything else u said i.e. @gender mainstream, i agree with it. i never once remember opposing THAT.

DieselPlatinum · October 26, 2016

So many walls of text...

That's how I feel after reading a very long and boring topic in the forum ;)

Magenta · October 26, 2016

So many walls of text...

++ u always get so nice nice GIFs :wub:

r_I_already_won0 · October 26, 2016

1st things first. so firstly, i don't have a gf.

2ndly fyki i am just a 14 yr old, and i do have a crush. she says she would definitely love to try out bear and alcohols when she becomes legally eligible to drink :P

and 3rdly, i have no idea by what u mean by 6 packs and motoroil. as i said, i am not into those things much, and am just a 14yr old.

4rthly, i never originally said anythn to u.i just opposed the idea of representing females by the colour pink, originally. thats when u posted a comment quoting and opposing me. lastly, everything else u said i.e. @gender mainstream, i agree with it. i never once remember opposing THAT.

Lol- if you are a 14-year old why are you arguing about this? ;)

But yeah, I agree with you. Drinking is obviously not "just for males". Females should not be represented with pink and males not with blue. But that's not saying that anyone who thinks that is sexist.

Magenta · October 26, 2016

Lol- if you are a 14-year old why are you arguing about this? ;)

But yeah, I agree with you. Drinking is obviously not "just for males". Females should not be represented with pink and males not with blue. But that's not saying that anyone who thinks that is sexist.

ok :huh: i am definitely failing to grasp ur logic that u said in ur last sentence.

and never.underestimate.14.yr.olds. i am 14-yr-old and in class ELEVEN! 11. how many 14-yr-olds are in class 11? and how many of them are actually toppers in their class? that too when most of their classmates are not like nuffink, they are actually great in studies too? at least one, me ;) *show off*

r_I_already_won0 · October 26, 2016

ok :huh: i am definitely failing to grasp ur logic that u said in ur last sentence.

and never.underestimate.14.yr.olds. i am 14-yr-old and in class ELEVEN! 11. how many 14-yr-olds are in class 11? and how many of them are actually toppers in their class? that too when most of their classmates are not like nuffink, they are actually great in studies too? at least one, me ;) *show off*

What IS class Eleven? ;)

Just saying, if you want to make this topic an opportunity to brag about your intellectual achievements I could beat anyone :P

Magenta · October 26, 2016

What IS class Eleven? ;)

Just saying, if you want to make this topic an opportunity to brag about your intellectual achievements I could beat anyone :P

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r_I_already_won0 · October 26, 2016

My computer doesn't load the image. I will wait till I get home on my desktop to reply.

omrot · October 26, 2016

What IS class Eleven? ;)

Just saying, if you want to make this topic an opportunity to brag about your intellectual achievements I could beat anyone :P

Grade 11, the common age in those classes is 15/16

r_I_already_won0 · October 26, 2016

Grade 11, the common age in those classes is 15/16

Ohhh..Well I took Geometry when I was 12 :P

BlackWasp777 · October 26, 2016

the example wasn't about the drinking, as for sure girls drink too.

If I would have known that you are 14, I would have choosen another example. By your way to discuss I thought you were 16+ ;)

Just remember that example with the 6pack of beer and a can of motoroil for the aniversary.. and never do it if you are into a girl you like to stay together with ;)

basenji7 · October 26, 2016

ok :huh: i am definitely failing to grasp ur logic that u said in ur last sentence.

and never.underestimate.14.yr.olds. i am 14-yr-old and in class ELEVEN! 11. how many 14-yr-olds are in class 11? and how many of them are actually toppers in their class? that too when most of their classmates are not like nuffink, they are actually great in studies too? at least one, me ;) *show off*

Ohhh..Well I took Geometry when I was 12 :P

Lol ok? This topic has nothing to do with your intellectual abilities, and I really doubt anyone really cares. If you wanna brag that's great and doesn't affect me, but please, find a more suitable place to do it. If you make a good argument it doesn't matter if you're bad at math. If you're completely wrong and you did calc in fifth grade it doesn't really matter. Age doesn't matter, either - there are 12 year olds a lot more mature than 16 year olds. Stay on topic, thanks.

...apparently people want me to make something on topic? As I already said :P, I think this is a bad idea cause it helps literally no one and people are *probably* going to lie about it. There's no point.

And "pls just ignore them" I don't really care if you wanna brag I just like telling people to stay on topic :ph34r:

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