Your Imagination: What is inside a Black Hole?

[golden5648 1,686]

Actually, science (nah I saw this on discovery channel) tells that if you go in black hole you will reach to a alternate past time line. And how to get out of it you ask, there's a "White hole". 

Science? Science is "science" when it gives proof, not stupid TV Channels telling that black holes lead to an alternate past time line.

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

 

Thought of this thread when watching this episode.  However I didn't like how it contribute to the misconception of the inside of it containing "matter" as we know it, and again just in this very thread several still post about "matter" or compressed matter being inside black holes.  Its not true, at the centre of the black hole the matter was already gone long ago

 

 

Yes I'm quite a crash course and green brothers fan, will even be watching the "for kids" series once i get the time for it

[The_PlayMaker 657]

I think Arceus lives in BLACH HOLEEE!

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

Well, why don't you go check it out?. JK

 

In blackholes, theoratically nothing exists, everything has been so densely packed that it is all 1, no random blobs floating here n there. As goes for 2, it could, thorugh the posibility that a reppeling white hole.

 

3) as you go in thorugh the event horizon, you would become spahegetti. You would strech till your atoms rupture, at which point you would no longer be in accecsable to the earth, but also gone

[Quarks 2,255]

Well, I guess I get to give the physics and gravity of a black hole speech before a random rock arrives to do it. 

 

I expect a wall a text.

 

WARNING, MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ABOUT TO BE DUMPED, READ ON AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 

 

 

      A black hole is usually formed when a sun goes supernova, then becomes a red giant, then a dwarf star. All three stages have approximately the same density after going supernova (duh, it is a massive explosion). So a red giant has a very low density, and as it compacts into a dwarf star, it becomes incredibly dense. If the dwarf continues to shrink, it will shrink into a size of almost nothingness. However, in the compaction of the star, the star loses more mass than is gained when compacting. During this period, the star shrinks to such a small size that the density of the center of a black hole is almost infinite, yet finite at the same time, in layman's terms, almost infinity, but still a real number. Not necessarily an integer (ie 1) but is a real number unlike infinity which is a concept, not a number, there is your random fact for the day. Picking up from that, the star has almost infinite density in a small volume. Along with that, the mass is, as mentioned above, very large. This then causes what surrounded the star to slowly move towards the black hole due to the high mass. Once something hits the event horizon, it is effectively gone. The event horizon is the point in which any piece of matter is stuck in the black hole. By this point, it is getting sucked in the black hole, and being stretched into the black hole. As matter starts going further in, the molecules break apart, and is ¨destroyed¨ (Matter can not be destroyed due to einstein's theory of relativity.) As this is happening, time begins to slow and eventually stops, as being incredibly small and dense causes a loss of perception of space and time. As gravity pulls in more mass, the mass of the black hole increases. However, the density stays the same, if not increases, as more mass is being added and no extra space. This new amounts of mass allows for a larger gravitational pull, as greater mass means greater the pull of gravity. So the a black hole grows continually as long as there is matter to sustain. Still, a black hole will eventually die, but not for a long, long time. By the way, I am only turning 16 in October.

 

 

An idea of mine(it can not be a theory, since it has not been tested but hey, do you want to test a black hole?) on black holes and multiple dimensions.

 

 

 

If multiple dimensions exist, they are separated by a fabric known commonly as the space continuum, or the fabric of space. If a black hole continuously expands, due to being very massive (high in terms of mass, not fat) and very dense, then a black hole has the ability to rip a hole in the fabric of space, causing dimensional merges, and the continual damage to both Universes, with an ever expanding black hole on each side, making it a highly destructive wormhole that has the possibility to destroy dimensions, and if decay doesn't destroy it, eventually the whole concept of space and universes would be null, as it would be destroyed. An apocalypse if you will. However, the likelihood of this happening is, a random guess, 1/ 10^-20,000. Again, not even sixteen.

EDIT: Due to Hawking Radiation, my original estimate of likelihood of this happening is new exponentially lowered. I do not even want to guess what unlikelihood now. To cause an apocalypse, the star that created it must be so massive to not only survive the initial transformation, but Hawking radiation too. It also must absorb enough mass to gain enough mass to destroy the space continuum. Thus while actually possible, the likelihood has been lowered so much on reconsideration that it will probably never happen. This is only possible to if there are multiple universes (I don't believe in them, but if they do exist, this is possible)  

 

 

 

If your brain hurts after this, which for most people it will, that is OK, this has been dealing with quantum physics, and unproven concepts. For all we know, this could be wrong. I am no expert on this, so DO NOT pm me about this. If you want more information, google it, unless you are interested in my theory.

Edited October 1, 2015 by Quarks

[r_You.Always.Loose0 85]

Lol

[Quarks 2,255]

I would also like to add that nothing is almost impossible. Nothing is a thing, making nothing actually something. So for the 13 people who said nothing is inside a black hole, you are wrong.

[personia 4,036]

Black holes are just God's way of storing stuff in very little space.

 

Woo hoo! 900 posts!

Edited September 30, 2015 by personia

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

That was almost a mind-blown :wacko:

Well, I guess I get to give the physics and gravity of a black hole speech before a random rock arrives to do it.

 

I expect a wall a text.

 

WARNING, MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ABOUT TO BE DUMPED, READ ON AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 

 

 

A black hole is usually formed when a sun goes supernova, then becomes a red giant, then a dwarf star. All three stages have approximately the same density after going supernova (duh, it is a massive explosion). So a red giant has a very low density, and as it compacts into a dwarf star, it becomes incredibly dense. If the dwarf continues to shrink, it will shrink into a size of almost nothingness. However, in the compaction of the star, the star loses more mass than is gained when compacting. During this period, the star shrinks to such a small size that the density of the center of a black hole is almost infinite, yet finite at the same time, in layman's terms, almost infinity, but still a real number. Not necessarily an integer (ie 1) but is a real number unlike infinity which is a concept, not a number, there is your random fact for the day. Picking up from that, the star has almost infinite density in a small volume. Along with that, the mass is, as mentioned above, very large. This then causes what surrounded the star to slowly move towards the black hole due to the high mass. Once something hits the event horizon, it is effectively gone. The event horizon is the point in which any piece of matter is stuck in the black hole. By this point, it is getting sucked in the black hole, and being stretched into the black hole. As matter starts going further in, the molecules break apart, and is ¨destroyed¨ (Matter can not be destroyed due to einstein's theory of relativity.) As this is happening, time begins to slow and eventually stops, as being incredibly small and dense causes a loss of perception of space and time. As gravity pulls in more mass, the mass of the black hole increases. However, the density stays the same, if not increases, as more mass is being added and no extra space. This new amounts of mass allows for a larger gravitational pull, as greater mass means greater the pull of gravity. So the a black hole grows continually as long as there is matter to sustain. Still, a black hole will eventually die, but not for a long, long time. By the way, I am only turning 16 in October.

 

 

An idea of mine(it can not be a theory, since it has not been tested but hey, do you want to test a black hole?) on black holes and multiple dimensions.

 

 

 

If multiple dimensions exist, they are separated by a fabric known commonly as the space continuum, or the fabric of space. If a black hole continuously expands, due to being very massive (high in terms of mass, not fat) and very dense, then a black hole has the ability to rip a hole in the fabric of space, causing dimensional merges, and the continual damage to both Universes, with an ever expanding black hole on each side, making it a highly destructive wormhole that has the possibility to destroy dimensions, and if decay doesn't destroy it, eventually the whole concept of space and universes would be null, as it would be destroyed. An apocalypse if you will. However, the likelihood of this happening is, a random guess, 1/ 10^-20,000. Again, not even sixteen.

 

 

If your brain hurts after this, which for most people it will, that is OK, this has been dealing with quantum physics, and unproven concepts. For all we know, this could be wrong. I am no expert on this, so DO NOT pm me about this. If you want more information, google it, unless you are interested in my theory.

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

Black holes are just God's way of storing stuff in very little space.

 

Woo hoo! 900 posts!

plz don't talk about religion or that will cause arguments

[Erty1235_tanki 44]

Whenever something gets sucked into a black hole it would be stretched and pulled until there are only atoms left. It is basically a vacuum that destroys everything inside it.

 

(I'm 89% sure that I'm correct. :p)

[Erty1235_tanki 44]

Well, I guess I get to give the physics and gravity of a black hole speech before a random rock arrives to do it.

 

I expect a wall a text.

 

WARNING, MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ABOUT TO BE DUMPED, READ ON AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 

 

 

A black hole is usually formed when a sun goes supernova, then becomes a red giant, then a dwarf star. All three stages have approximately the same density after going supernova (duh, it is a massive explosion). So a red giant has a very low density, and as it compacts into a dwarf star, it becomes incredibly dense. If the dwarf continues to shrink, it will shrink into a size of almost nothingness. However, in the compaction of the star, the star loses more mass than is gained when compacting. During this period, the star shrinks to such a small size that the density of the center of a black hole is almost infinite, yet finite at the same time, in layman's terms, almost infinity, but still a real number. Not necessarily an integer (ie 1) but is a real number unlike infinity which is a concept, not a number, there is your random fact for the day. Picking up from that, the star has almost infinite density in a small volume. Along with that, the mass is, as mentioned above, very large. This then causes what surrounded the star to slowly move towards the black hole due to the high mass. Once something hits the event horizon, it is effectively gone. The event horizon is the point in which any piece of matter is stuck in the black hole. By this point, it is getting sucked in the black hole, and being stretched into the black hole. As matter starts going further in, the molecules break apart, and is ¨destroyed¨ (Matter can not be destroyed due to einstein's theory of relativity.) As this is happening, time begins to slow and eventually stops, as being incredibly small and dense causes a loss of perception of space and time. As gravity pulls in more mass, the mass of the black hole increases. However, the density stays the same, if not increases, as more mass is being added and no extra space. This new amounts of mass allows for a larger gravitational pull, as greater mass means greater the pull of gravity. So the a black hole grows continually as long as there is matter to sustain. Still, a black hole will eventually die, but not for a long, long time. By the way, I am only turning 16 in October.

 

 

An idea of mine(it can not be a theory, since it has not been tested but hey, do you want to test a black hole?) on black holes and multiple dimensions.

 

 

 

If multiple dimensions exist, they are separated by a fabric known commonly as the space continuum, or the fabric of space. If a black hole continuously expands, due to being very massive (high in terms of mass, not fat) and very dense, then a black hole has the ability to rip a hole in the fabric of space, causing dimensional merges, and the continual damage to both Universes, with an ever expanding black hole on each side, making it a highly destructive wormhole that has the possibility to destroy dimensions, and if decay doesn't destroy it, eventually the whole concept of space and universes would be null, as it would be destroyed. An apocalypse if you will. However, the likelihood of this happening is, a random guess, 1/ 10^-20,000. Again, not even sixteen.

 

 

If your brain hurts after this, which for most people it will, that is OK, this has been dealing with quantum physics, and unproven concepts. For all we know, this could be wrong. I am no expert on this, so DO NOT pm me about this. If you want more information, google it, unless you are interested in my theory.

:o Amazing... Couldn't have said it better myself I didn't understand the part when you said that time slows and stops. Strange I can't grasp that idea. :D awesome post by the way. :)

 

Now my explanation sounds like a 3 year old teaching algebra. :p

Edited October 1, 2015 by Erty1235_tanki

[Quarks 2,255]

:o Amazing... Couldn't have said it better myself I didn't understand the part when you said that time slows and stops. Strange I can't grasp that idea. :D awesome post by the way. :)

 

Now my explanation sounds like a 3 year old teaching algebra. :P

I am not entirely sure why time slows and eventually stops. I believe that time is a perception of reality, so as your are being pulled into the black hole, perception changes, and so does perception of time. This means that time does not necessarily stop, but perception changes, making time ¨stop¨. Does that help. before you feel bad, remember I said  ¨If your brain hurts after this, which for most people it will, that is OK, this has been dealing with quantum physics and unproven concepts. For all we know, this could be wrong.¨

Edited October 1, 2015 by Quarks

[Quarks 2,255]

You remind me of another golden → @GoldRock

 

goldilocks gets here he'll kill that topic with a supermassive wall of text about that white line above,, trust me then you will truly know what gravity really mean  :blink:

to late, I already did, massive block of text, and theory. :ph34r:

[golden5648 1,686]

to late, I already did, massive block of text, and theory. :ph34r:

Hahah, you edited your post and added cool words, right!? ;P

[Zenyth 6,494]

Emissivity of a black hole is zero so it would contain celestial fragments, rocks and orher matter/radiation that it has absorbed over irs time period of existence after its creation from an overaged star. There is presumably vacuum inside but it is not known exactly how absorbed matter is enclosed.

[Quarks 2,255]

Hahah, you edited your post and added cool words, right!? ;P

Actually, I did not, I have a rich vocabulary that blows out pretty much any random layman out of the water. IF you decided to actually read my in depth post that almost blows people's minds. You would see an edit that describes a new addition to the theory. The first edit was spoiler difficulty. You are simply pathetically try to undermine my intelligence and my understanding of quantum physics. I did not edit my explanations to make them cool, I edited my post to change my theory. Your argument is officially and undoubtedly invalid. Your welcome for the answer.

[Shellfire_tanki 1,820]

A black hole is a star that has decreased in volume, but not mass, so much that it has enough gravity that no matter or radiation can escape.  If you were to enter a black hole you would almost certainly die.  If you found something strong enough to withstand the gravity of a black hole, then if you go into it you would enter a wormhole to another region of the universe(this one, not an alternate one).  That is what I think of black holes.

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

A black hole is a star that has decreased in volume, but not mass,  ..... 

:)  Well I do like how you don't associate the content of it to be of some sort of matter with mass

 

Many still think of black holes as super dense compacted matter in this topic, which is a shame.  In essence its just a rip in spacetime fabric, the magnitude or gravity¹ of the rip being proportional in energy to the energy of mass that was crushed down in the event that produced the black hole  :ph34r:

 

^{1- yes in this case I intentionally used gravity in referrence to its standard English meaning and not the scientific Newtonian or Einsteinian meaning on purpose, just to mess with some :p}

^{2- forgive me for not going into details, its past midnight here and I cbb tbh}

[Erty1235_tanki 44]

I am not entirely sure why time slows and eventually stops. I believe that time is a perception of reality, so as your are being pulled into the black hole, perception changes, and so does perception of time. This means that time does not necessarily stop, but perception changes, making time ¨stop¨. Does that help. before you feel bad, remember I said ¨If your brain hurts after this, which for most people it will, that is OK, this has been dealing with quantum physics and unproven concepts. For all we know, this could be wrong.¨

Oh ok that makes more sense. :)

[Shellfire_tanki 1,820]

:)  Well I do like how you don't associate the content of it to be of some sort of matter with mass

 

Many still think of black holes as super dense compacted matter in this topic, which is a shame.  In essence its just a rip in spacetime fabric, the magnitude or gravity¹ of the rip being proportional in energy to the energy of mass that was crushed down in the event that produced the black hole  :ph34r:

 

^{1- yes in this case I intentionally used gravity in referrence to its standard English meaning and not the scientific Newtonian or Einsteinian meaning on purpose, just to mess with some :P}

^{2- forgive me for not going into details, its past midnight here and I cbb tbh}

I am very glad to know that there are at least some like-minded science geeks in tanki, not just me, ;)

[Quarks 2,255]

:)  Well I do like how you don't associate the content of it to be of some sort of matter with mass

 

Many still think of black holes as super dense compacted matter in this topic, which is a shame.  In essence its just a rip in spacetime fabric, the magnitude or gravity¹ of the rip being proportional in energy to the energy of mass that was crushed down in the event that produced the black hole  :ph34r:

 

^{1- yes in this case I intentionally used gravity in referrence to its standard English meaning and not the scientific Newtonian or Einsteinian meaning on purpose, just to mess with some :P}

^{2- forgive me for not going into details, its past midnight here and I cbb tbh}

What about me? I did the same thing. I made sure to explain that it does not lose mass, but loses volume. Did you not read mine? :(

[golden5648 1,686]

Hahhaha Nice logics Damn_Slow xD

[newrohan 1,040]

Well, I guess I get to give the physics and gravity of a black hole speech before a random rock arrives to do it. 

 

I expect a wall a text.

 

WARNING, MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ABOUT TO BE DUMPED, READ ON AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 

 

 

      A black hole is usually formed when a sun goes supernova, then becomes a red giant, then a dwarf star. All three stages have approximately the same density after going supernova (duh, it is a massive explosion). So a red giant has a very low density, and as it compacts into a dwarf star, it becomes incredibly dense. If the dwarf continues to shrink, it will shrink into a size of almost nothingness. However, in the compaction of the star, the star loses more mass than is gained when compacting. During this period, the star shrinks to such a small size that the density of the center of a black hole is almost infinite, yet finite at the same time, in layman's terms, almost infinity, but still a real number. Not necessarily an integer (ie 1) but is a real number unlike infinity which is a concept, not a number, there is your random fact for the day. Picking up from that, the star has almost infinite density in a small volume. Along with that, the mass is, as mentioned above, very large. This then causes what surrounded the star to slowly move towards the black hole due to the high mass. Once something hits the event horizon, it is effectively gone. The event horizon is the point in which any piece of matter is stuck in the black hole. By this point, it is getting sucked in the black hole, and being stretched into the black hole. As matter starts going further in, the molecules break apart, and is ¨destroyed¨ (Matter can not be destroyed due to einstein's theory of relativity.) As this is happening, time begins to slow and eventually stops, as being incredibly small and dense causes a loss of perception of space and time. As gravity pulls in more mass, the mass of the black hole increases. However, the density stays the same, if not increases, as more mass is being added and no extra space. This new amounts of mass allows for a larger gravitational pull, as greater mass means greater the pull of gravity. So the a black hole grows continually as long as there is matter to sustain. Still, a black hole will eventually die, but not for a long, long time. By the way, I am only turning 16 in October.

 

 

An idea of mine(it can not be a theory, since it has not been tested but hey, do you want to test a black hole?) on black holes and multiple dimensions.

 

 

 

If multiple dimensions exist, they are separated by a fabric known commonly as the space continuum, or the fabric of space. If a black hole continuously expands, due to being very massive (high in terms of mass, not fat) and very dense, then a black hole has the ability to rip a hole in the fabric of space, causing dimensional merges, and the continual damage to both Universes, with an ever expanding black hole on each side, making it a highly destructive wormhole that has the possibility to destroy dimensions, and if decay doesn't destroy it, eventually the whole concept of space and universes would be null, as it would be destroyed. An apocalypse if you will. However, the likelihood of this happening is, a random guess, 1/ 10^-20,000. Again, not even sixteen.

EDIT: Due to Hawking Radiation, my original estimate of likelihood of this happening is new exponentially lowered. I do not even want to guess what unlikelihood now. To cause an apocalypse, the star that created it must be so massive to not only survive the initial transformation, but Hawking radiation too. It also must absorb enough mass to gain enough mass to destroy the space continuum. Thus while actually possible, the likelihood has been lowered so much on reconsideration that it will probably never happen. This is only possible to if there are multiple universes (I don't believe in them, but if they do exist, this is possible)  

 

 

 

If your brain hurts after this, which for most people it will, that is OK, this has been dealing with quantum physics, and unproven concepts. For all we know, this could be wrong. I am no expert on this, so DO NOT pm me about this. If you want more information, google it, unless you are interested in my theory.

Mah Brain Does Hurt now. :P

You're only 16, eh?

[Quarks 2,255]

Mah Brain Does Hurt now. :P

You're only 16, eh?

In one week, yes. Still 15. I hope you enjoyed the massive wall of text.  :P