[Issue 42] Why a 40% Off Sale is Better than 50% Off

[dragonssk1 334]

I also don't understand why we had a bunch of massive sales last year in 2014 in which we had a sale almost every week. 

[rayaanMALHOTRA 378]

Guys there is no smoke without fire .... why there is so much hue and cry about all these stuff.

 

everyone has his own opinion ... some shout it out , some just say it with respect .... point is you have to listen.

 

It's been 1.5 years for me playing this game , i know i am still in my nascent stages as compared to other players here in the forum and and community as a whole , but there is a vast difference between the game last year and this time.

 

there were so many discounts we had , something was on a roll in tanki , anything , 2x battle funds or gold , or a small sale on mu's , regular discounts on paypal or buying crystals... contest , starladder etc etc. ... tanki was a happening place.

 

this year was also cool with may holidays .... but after that it seemed like whatever you do , you are just underpowered , tight on budget , few people ruling the maps everytime. 

 

The laag issue served as one of the final nail in the coffin .... it made the very basic thing "playing" uncomfortable .

 

Till last year people had goals , like to reach a rank , if they reached then to get m3 then m4 then take part in esports , that chain is now broken, getting your favourite combo breaks away the backbone of a tanker ... leave accumulating other m3's . 

 

Talking about basically the high ranks  those who already had these things with them were focusing to become "pro" as we say in the game and you all know it , to play and get engrossed in e sports .

 

They are now sitting idle , doing time pass in the game because they like this game soo much that they can't leave so easily even if they get bored .

 

But there is always a sturation point. to take out their frustation they yell , use hatespeech in forums etc.... taking out their frustration and anger on the thing that directly affects them - sales.

 

Guys please understand , we have no purpose , no objective .

 

Upon that we hear this thing ...why 40 % sales are better .... it kind of irks us  ( to me personally ).... the saddest part was the second para where the baby in the t shirt was mentioned . Bro , why was that para mentioned , any criticism against this topic will make me look like a stone hearted guy who does not care about the little innocent baby . That was seriously not required ... i am sorry if it hurts you but it was not required.

 

They new updates we cool untill the rewards were slashed from middle .... i think the management does not realise this that we were anticipating too much from daily missions and then they slashed the reward into half .... rare missions are of no use untill they have crystal or supplies ... 

 

second major update of personal discounts .... never got them till now :) .... few of my friends got ...11% .20% ....

 

the directly-buy-m3 was good no doubt .... but where to get those crystals to buy those shiny equipments ....

 

players icon such as arcade and other e sporst teams are not there ... what will a normal player look to ?

 

No Idols , No esports , No discounts , Tight game economy , No objective and no aspirations , empty clans , updates that are not much appreciative , jungle rule in the game , bored tankers .

 

we all know what this is leading to ....

 

The fact is new tankers will continue to join this game and have fun till middle ranks untill they come to captain rank.

 

Its true that few people have left , some among them behaved like kids and used language which does not suits a gentleman , others just left silently :)

 

I beg you guys and to everyone outthere , instead of quitting or abusing  and on the administration part instead of prooving that 40% sales are better using that innocent child  .... lets make this place where we can enjoy like before , let me brethe guys i request both the administration and players .

 

 

in no means whatsoever ,i , do not intend to hurt any one's feeling or belief or in anyways disrespect any person . Plz this is a totally personal and openiated from a point of view of single indivisual .i.e me rayaan , don't take it otherwise.

Edited October 23, 2015 by rayaanMALHOTRA

[KillerGnat 3,135]

My dear tankers, it is a FACT that a 40% sale is NOT better a 50% sale, and NEVER will be. I have absolutely no idea why sonofchrysalis3 named the topic like that :unsure:

It's called a hook, it gets people to read it. It certainly seemed to work too.

[KillerGnat 3,135]

sonofchrysalis, great read again. You made some good points that anyone with even an ounce of a brain would acknowledge. Sadly, many people don't seem to have any brain at all, or else their just intent on hating you and your writing style. To all you haters: it really shouldn't matter wether there's a 50% sale, a 40% sale, or a 10% sale, it's a sale no matter what. Many of the more knowledgeable among you will know the old idiom, "don't look a gift horse in the mouth," so don't.

[KillerGnat 3,135]

the saddest part was the second para where the baby in the t shirt was mentioned .

 

I believe that part was just meant to be funny, doubt that really happened. Sorry I'm to nooby to know how to quote just a part of the whole post.

[thunderousrailgunner 1,934]

Dear Pony Stratus ,

I Accept Everything , the facts you said , the economy that the game makes by reducing it to 40% , everything .

I Appreciate you for explaining about this .

But I Can't resist to say about only one simple thing which may be misleading ...

 

 

The Topic :P

Why a 40% Off is better than 50% Off ..

It Ain't is better .

 

 

Have a suggestion with me , change the topic name to --->   Why 40% sales should not be hated ...  ??

 

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This topic is so heated with arguments  :o

Edited October 23, 2015 by thunderousrailgunner

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

My dear tankers, it is a FACT that a 40% sale is NOT better a 50% sale, and NEVER will be. I have absolutely no idea why sonofchrysalis3 named the topic like that :unsure:

 

 

The only reason we are giving hate to this article is the title. 50% sales ARE better than 40% sales. 

 

 

I Can't resist to say about only one simple thing which may be misleading ...

 

 

The Topic :P

Why a 40% Off is better than 50% Off ..

It Ain't is better .

 

 

Have a suggestion with me , change the topic name to --->   Why 40% sales should not be hated ...  ??

 

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

 

This topic is so heated with arguments  :o

 

 

I’ll admit, when Tanker’s Day rolled around and Semyon announced the celebratory discount, I was surprised at the number 40. I was a bit disappointed that Tanki wasn’t halving all of the prices, but I got over it. I realized that Tankionline has an economy which must stay stable in order to continue serving the world of players that visits it every day.

Did you guys read the last part of the article? It may not be fun for the individual to get 40% off as opposed to 50% off, but you have to remember something: you aren't the only one playing Tanki. 40% off is better than 50% off when you consider what is necessary for the greater good of the entire community, not just a few players.

 

Of course, that "greater good" business doesn't mean that Tanki ignores the needs of the individual, which is why the personal discounts update was released.

[Cor7y 13,862]

Did you guys read the last part of the article? It may not be fun for the individual to get 40% off as opposed to 50% off, but you have to remember something: you aren't the only one playing Tanki. 40% off is better than 50% off when you consider what is necessary for the greater good of the entire community, not just a few players.

 

Of course, that "greater good" business doesn't mean that Tanki ignores the needs of the individual, which is why the personal discounts update was released.

*Facepalm*

 

Im sure that Semyon sent you a PM, demanding you to write this article <_<

 

You, sir, just made me lose all respect for you -_-

[0MN1V01D 599]

I think i might fail in Math...

I never knew 40% is better than 50% :/

 

R.I.P My Grades

[dragonssk1 334]

Did you guys read the last part of the article? It may not be fun for the individual to get 40% off as opposed to 50% off, but you have to remember something: you aren't the only one playing Tanki. 40% off is better than 50% off when you consider what is necessary for the greater good of the entire community, not just a few players.

 

Of course, that "greater good" business doesn't mean that Tanki ignores the needs of the individual, which is why the personal discounts update was released.

I read your article but please, change the article title. Also, the enitre community is benefiting from a bigger sale, only the head management and the employees suffer with maybe less profits. Also I believe bigger sales make players buy crystals more willingly due to the fact with such a massive sale, most tankers would like to take part of it. Hooked with a discount on buying crystals and a double crystals and see the results. I BELIEVE YOUR benefiting from the services of writing this article because you are getting paid for this, so there's no point of arguing with you no more due to the fact you a firm with the opinion you have, due to the position you are in. You can't possibly write something negative against Tanki, or you will face some consequences. 

Edited October 23, 2015 by dragonssk1

[dragonssk1 334]

sonofchrysalis, great read again. You made some good points that anyone with even an ounce of a brain would acknowledge. Sadly, many people don't seem to have any brain at all, or else their just intent on hating you and your writing style. To all you haters: it really shouldn't matter wether there's a 50% sale, a 40% sale, or a 10% sale, it's a sale no matter what. Many of the more knowledgeable among you will know the old idiom, "don't look a gift horse in the mouth," so don't.

well we have a victim from the article. YOU sir have been brainwashed and manipulated with. A cure? I don't think so.

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

I read your article but please, change the article title. Also, the enitre community is benefiting from a bigger sale, only the head management and the employees suffer with maybe less profits. Also I believe bigger sales make players buy crystals more willingly due to the fact with such a massive sale, most tankers would like to take part of it. Hooked with a discount on buying crystals and a double crystals and see the results. I BELIEVE YOUR benefiting from the services of writing this article because you are getting paid for this, so there's no point of arguing with you no more due to the fact you a firm with the opinion you have, due to the position you are in. You can't possibly write something negative against Tanki, or you will face some consequences. 

This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know how to begin.

 

Okay, 1.) The "enitre" community relies on Tanki maintaining a profitable economy so that they can play their game. How many more times do I have to bring up the grocery store analogy? If the store halves all of its prices, too many customers will buy the products, empty the store, and the store will wind up going out of business. How hard is that to understand? It's kindergarten-level supply and demand.

 

Whoa, I rhymed there....

 

2.) Bigger sales do NOT make players buy more willingly due to the fact that only about half of the players buy crystals, and those buyers don't buy based on sales promotions. They buy when their crystal wallet is getting low. A player with 700,000 crystals in his wallet isn't going to buy any more just because there's a sale.

 

The other half of Tanki's players doesn't buy because they either can't or won't. And yes, "half" and "doesn't" is proper subject-verb agreement. Just thought I'd throw that in.

 

3.) Tanki is not filling my pocket for writing for them. My compensation is knowing that what I write benefits the game and the community.

 

4.) As long as I do not violate the forum rules, I can criticize Tanki if necessary. So far, that is not necessary. They seem to have it all together quite nicely.

[dragonssk1 334]

This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know how to begin.

 

Okay, 1.) The "enitre" community relies on Tanki maintaining a profitable economy so that they can play their game. How many more times do I have to bring up the grocery store analogy? If the store halves all of its prices, too many customers will buy the products, empty the store, and the store will wind up going out of business. How hard is that to understand? It's kindergarten-level supply and demand.

 

Whoa, I rhymed there....

 

2.) Bigger sales do NOT make players buy more willingly due to the fact that only about half of the players buy crystals, and those buyers don't buy based on sales promotions. They buy when their crystal wallet is getting low. A player with 700,000 crystals in his wallet isn't going to buy any more just because there's a sale.

 

The other half of Tanki's players doesn't buy because they either can't or won't. And yes, "half" and "doesn't" is proper subject-verb agreement. Just thought I'd throw that in.

 

3.) Tanki is not filling my pocket for writing for them. My compensation is knowing that what I write benefits the game and the community.

 

4.) As long as I do not violate the forum rules, I can criticize Tanki if necessary. So far, that is not necessary. They seem to have it all together quite nicely.

The sales happen once in awhile. If your talking about supply and demand we don't have the actual stats to back up any of the information that we both stated. Sometimes the demand is low and the price and demand is to high, so tanki lowers prices to bring up demand. Also Tanki economy doesn't follow actual economic theories (which is very confusing and detailed).

 

I've played this game for 3 years + I've witnessed major updates, good ones and bad ones. We had 70% and 50% sales many times in 2014, and the game balance was not affected. Why now? How do you know Tanki that is telling the truth to us. I know you're still a new player to the game and haven't witnessed such sales maybe witnessing it in the archive topics.

 

So you about criticizing Tanki. Are you 100% satisfied with the recent updates and game? And also I haven't seen any negative article about Tanki, so I believe the newspaper is biased. You haven't witnessed how good the game was 1 or even two years back.

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=265981 June 5 2015 50% off buying crystals

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=266109 June 6 2015 50% hulls and the day after turrets

 

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=260273 25% of paypal and phone purchases May 1 2015

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=261572 Discounts on turrets and Mus 7 days after the discount on crystal buying

 

This is only a couple of the combo sales we had in Tanki Online. There are a huge amount of these sales in the history of the game.

 

Also I believe 100% that sales coupled with buying sales, increases buying. Also why does Tanki usually have buying crystal sales before major discounts. If we had the info I believe I would be correct. Bigger sales attracts more buyers also which also follows the supply,demand and price chart. Lower prices results in more buyers. 

 

P.S being in a position that refelcts Tanki Online you have to support Tanki most of the time/

Edited October 24, 2015 by dragonssk1

[dragonssk1 334]

This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know how to begin.

 

Okay, 1.) The "enitre" community relies on Tanki maintaining a profitable economy so that they can play their game. How many more times do I have to bring up the grocery store analogy? If the store halves all of its prices, too many customers will buy the products, empty the store, and the store will wind up going out of business. How hard is that to understand? It's kindergarten-level supply and demand.

 

Whoa, I rhymed there....

 

2.) Bigger sales do NOT make players buy more willingly due to the fact that only about half of the players buy crystals, and those buyers don't buy based on sales promotions. They buy when their crystal wallet is getting low. A player with 700,000 crystals in his wallet isn't going to buy any more just because there's a sale.

 

The other half of Tanki's players doesn't buy because they either can't or won't. And yes, "half" and "doesn't" is proper subject-verb agreement. Just thought I'd throw that in.

 

3.) Tanki is not filling my pocket for writing for them. My compensation is knowing that what I write benefits the game and the community.

 

4.) As long as I do not violate the forum rules, I can criticize Tanki if necessary. So far, that is not necessary. They seem to have it all together quite nicely.

Your analogy is incorrect because in order to have a business you would need a lot of money at first and it will still be profitable to have blitz sales. ONCE IN A WHILE. Many business have blitz sales with massive discounts that help clear inventory or just a special day for the store or holiday. Every other day in which there are no sales, people come and buy stuff so the business can make money. If the business runs out of stock there is always new inventory that is coming in. 

[KillerGnat 3,135]

well we have a victim from the article. YOU sir have been brainwashed and manipulated with. A cure? I don't think so.

I actually just started Tanki, and I can't have been brainwashed that fast (although I admit I kind of sounded like I was :) ). The reason I'm defending this is, I wasn't expecting any discount, let alone a 40% one. So you can imagine my pleasant surprise when I opened the Tanki page and it said that for Tankers Day (whatever that was) I'd get a discount. I loved the celebrations, and was very pleased with everything. I know I'm a noob without much of a brain, but it sure seems like most of you are being immature for caring about something that happened almost a month ago.

[dragonssk1 334]

I actually just started Tanki, and I can't have been brainwashed that fast (although I admit I kind of sounded like I was :) ). The reason I'm defending this is, I wasn't expecting any discount, let alone a 40% one. So you can imagine my pleasant surprise when I opened the Tanki page and it said that for Tankers Day (whatever that was) I'd get a discount. I loved the celebrations, and was very pleased with everything. I know I'm a noob without much of a brain, but it sure seems like most of you are being immature for caring about something that happened almost a month ago.

go to the archive and see how many sales we had in the last couple of years! And compare it to this crap!

Edited October 24, 2015 by dragonssk1

[KillerGnat 3,135]

go to the archive and see how many sales we had in the last couple of years! And compare it to this crap!

Ok, will do.

[Hashir_the_best 2]

I know semyon is hurt but always remember man everyone can't play for long to earn crystals they need atleast a 40% discount. i know many of you out there won't like me too as i encourage for lesser discount , but remember atleast i asked for a discount ! semyon we need atleast a little discount as man its not easy for everyone to play for many hours so please semyon don't be sad anymore just keep doing good as you do and i am really looking forward for atleast a 40% on halloween as i also need more equipments and i can't play for long too

[creeperskelly 1,281]

If you can't understand the simple concept of No money no service, then you, dear wiki editor, are entirely uninformed.

 

I feel as if I've failed... this article was intended to fix your erroneous view of Tanki's fragile economy, but I suppose I'm just not as good at explaining as I thought.

Unhappy customers will never be paying customers. Nobody seems to understand that basic tenet of capitalism around here.

 

10% isn't going to break Tanki. You're not selling physical widgets - your selling intangible items which cannot be resold, transferred to other players, or even refunded. Your currency can't be traded for anything except objects which have no real value in the real world.

 

A fully upgraded tank costs about $700 USD. Do you actually think that is acceptable when compared to practically every other game that exists right now? Are there any off the shelf games that cost $700 to purchase?

 

Tanki angered a lot of people who would have been happy to spend real money if the sale had been 50%. But that 10% difference? You'll never know the true cost lost in revenue, damage to reputation, and poor word of mouth that move created.

 

Your snibbling and condescending article does nothing to impress me. All you did was manage to rub more salt into the wounds.

 

Mark my words - because of your attitude and treatment of players I will never again spend a dime on this game.

Edited October 24, 2015 by creeperskelly

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

My dear tankers, it is a FACT that a 40% sale is NOT better a 50% sale, and NEVER will be. I have absolutely no idea why sonofchrysalis3 named the topic like that :unsure:

same :/

[dragonssk1 334]

Unhappy customers will never be paying customers. Nobody seems to understand that basic tenet of capitalism around here.

 

10% isn't going to break Tanki. You're not selling physical widgets - your selling intangible items which cannot be resold, transferred to other players, or even refunded. Your currency can't be traded for anything except objects which have no real value in the real world.

 

A fully upgraded tank costs about $700 USD. Do you actually think that is acceptable when compared to practically every other game that exists right now? Are there any off the shelf games that cost $700 to purchase?

 

Tanki angered a lot of people who would have been happy to spend real money if the sale had been 50%. But that 10% difference? You'll never know the true cost lost in revenue, damage to reputation, and poor word of mouth that move created.

 

Your snibbling and condescending article does nothing to impress me. All you did was manage to rub more salt into the wounds.

 

Mark my words - because of your attitude and treatment of players I will never again spend a dime on this game.

Thank You God Bless your soul! Tanki has unlimited assests in which they have small liabilities to counter it.

[dragonssk1 334]

And @sonofchrysalis3 I can't believe how careless, arrogant, and irrelevant this article is. You for sure have shared the spoils with the Tanki staff, as you never experience the frustration, despair of the loyal and hardworking players as the witness sloppy updates and poor and rare events. And Tanki spits on our faces with giving us a less sale, after no sales for a long time. Smh, this disgusts me. 

Edited October 24, 2015 by dragonssk1

[Brubook 1,161]

Did you guys read the last part of the article? It may not be fun for the individual to get 40% off as opposed to 50% off, but you have to remember something: you aren't the only one playing Tanki. 40% off is better than 50% off when you consider what is necessary for the greater good of the entire community, not just a few players.

 

Of course, that "greater good" business doesn't mean that Tanki ignores the needs of the individual, which is why the personal discounts update was released.

I have been dealing with politicians in my life for quite a lot ... and I have always heard or read similar words

 

Draw your conclusions

[Brubook 1,161]

This is so wrong on so many levels, I don't know how to begin.

 

Okay, 1.) The "enitre" community relies on Tanki maintaining a profitable economy so that they can play their game. How many more times do I have to bring up the grocery store analogy? If the store halves all of its prices, too many customers will buy the products, empty the store, and the store will wind up going out of business. How hard is that to understand? It's kindergarten-level supply and demand.

 

Whoa, I rhymed there....

 

2.) Bigger sales do NOT make players buy more willingly due to the fact that only about half of the players buy crystals, and those buyers don't buy based on sales promotions. They buy when their crystal wallet is getting low. A player with 700,000 crystals in his wallet isn't going to buy any more just because there's a sale.

 

The other half of Tanki's players doesn't buy because they either can't or won't. And yes, "half" and "doesn't" is proper subject-verb agreement. Just thought I'd throw that in.

 

3.) Tanki is not filling my pocket for writing for them. My compensation is knowing that what I write benefits the game and the community.

 

4.) As long as I do not violate the forum rules, I can criticize Tanki if necessary. So far, that is not necessary. They seem to have it all together quite nicely.

Well, you said earlier that criticsm is constructive and Tanki needs it ... so why when we do it you ignore it, laugh on it or fool us? (what I say is written on another post and you can read them all, these are not just "free" flying critics words)

In this post I wrote with facts and you just ignored me. I have been polite and I told the source of my information ... and I still have been ignored!

 

You compare Tanki with a grocery store ... this makes me think that you have not quite understood the monetization and economic mechanism of Tanki or any internet free-to-play game!

 

As someone said: what is the difference between Tanki and any computer game? In games you fight with algorithms while in Tanki you deal with other human beings. That means that all free players actually work for Tanki.

Also, a "critical mass" of players to make the game interesting for who spend money (the so called "whales") is necessary!

Hence we are your helpers and your customers at the same time. We are entitled of talking, tell our ideas and show out disappointment (where it is the case) ... and you (read Tanki staff) have to respect that and also take from our views the guidelines of your development.

 

In your post #110 you said: "a 50% off sale would've been harmful" ... what do you mean? and if you mean what I think, did you read my post (#78)?

 

Still disagree with you

[anuclearbomb 220]

words^ lots of em', probably mean stuff.