Change in forum feedback mechanism

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

Wow, are you guys still complaining? It's been a week now, and the world hasn't fallen to pieces, so I'm pretty sure everything's going to be okay without the downvote button.

[applications 993]

Wow, are you guys still complaining? It's been a week now, and the world hasn't fallen to pieces, so I'm pretty sure everything's going to be okay without the downvote button.

Its already falling apart

 

For premium accounts they will have "100% positive upvotes"

 

and your just not complaining because you will get premium account as long as you are staff -_-

[Battle_Mod_19 12]

and your just not complaining because you will get premium account as long as you are staff -_-

Link or post please? Where its mentioned that it will be free to helpers?

[Jaguar_R3 12]

Pleures pas petit bébé. On sait que les membres du staff sont avantagés, arrête de faire ton étonné.

[Blazing-sugar-Dargon 295]

Pleures pas petit bébé. On sait que les membres du staff sont avantagés, arrête de faire ton étonné.

wow . I even dont know each of a single words you said

[delnina2 1,570]

No. As I said, that may lead to people harassing other people, and it will lead to people clicking dislike and not explaining why they did so, which doesn't help the OP at all.

 

Dislikes give a concise view of how many people believe something is unpopular. It beats reading 200+ replies to a topic.

 

If a dislike should be explained shouldn't a like be explained also?

[jimjim99 4]

Not having a down vote makes any up votes pointless.

 

A lot of people may disagree, but I'm not sure how we will know.

Seriously, how would we know?

[RustyNail 1,538]

I have already expressed my reasons for not wanting to have a dislike button, and the consensus within the community and within the moderation/administration team is that a dislike button is a bad idea, whether for those reasons or others.

downvote to this, because it lacks reason. It only stubbornly sticks to Tanki's least democratic decision to remove all negative feedback.

 

And, by the way, here's some more feedback:

 

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Another alternative to removing the dislike button would have been to implement a "star" rating - 1 to 5 stars.

 

Then each post would have a rating between 0 (no responses) to 5 (excellent) based on overall votes.

 

Theoretically this removes the "negative" values so a post would never have the possibility of dropping below 0.

 

A "like" really doesn't tell much without discussing "why."

Edited October 16, 2015 by creeperskelly

[delnina2 1,570]

Another alternative to removing the dislike button would have been to implement a "star" rating - 1 to 5 stars.

 

Then each post would have a rating between 0 (no responses) to 5 (excellent) based on overall votes.

 

Theoretically this removes the "negative" values so a post would never have the possibility of dropping below 0.

 

A "like" really doesn't tell much without discussing "why."

 

 

Dislikes give a concise view of how many people believe something is unpopular. It beats reading 200+ replies to a topic.

 

If a dislike should be explained shouldn't a like be explained also?

What do you say about that doncarnage !? 

Edited October 16, 2015 by delnina2

[deadmanrising 715]

I'll give you a -1 for your reasoning.

The reason the dislike button was removed was simply to place the game in a better light to people at first glance, most people don't read 60 hidden pages of criticisms, they look at the first page and maybe the last page.

When players saw 200-300 + downvotes on a topic, it showed them that there was issues with the subject, they would in turn tend to feel the same way and actually get them to read more and contribute to the conversation as well.

The saying "Out of sight, out of mind", its basic psychology, the downvote was detrimental to the outlook players have about the game.

Someone who understands, like i said the main idea behind this update was to shut down the voice of the players

 

 

It's not currently possible to require that players quote the post if they click a reputation button, though even if it was, it would defeat the point of a dislike button - you would have to read the whole thread to get the information that you need anyway.

 

The purpose of the like button isn't so much as an information tool as it is just a tool to prevent people from just posting "^this" or "+1".

 

What's wrong with posting 'this' and '+1? Adding a like button isn't going to change that

 

No. As I said, that may lead to people harassing other people, and it will lead to people clicking dislike and not explaining why they did so, which doesn't help the OP at all.

There's a reason why there's a report button, you can't really harass or troll someone on a forum except through the personal messenger perhaps, i literally cannot see a logic in your argument

[jimjim99 4]

If I had posted a suggestion that received many downvotes,

I would not feel harassed or personally attacked.

 

I would feel like it was not a popular suggestion.

 

Isn't that the point?

[DonCarnage 1,270]

no if thats what you think the community thinks theres something srsly wrong...

The majority of the community agrees with that decision.

 

Dislikes give a concise view of how many people believe something is unpopular. It beats reading 200+ replies to a topic.

 

If a dislike should be explained shouldn't a like be explained also?

Just knowing that something is unpopular doesn't help you fix it, it doesn't even say what exactly people don't like. Just that something in the post in some way was enough for people to press the dislike button. You don't need that information for a like as a like basically means "keep doing what you are doing", but a dislike needs some information about what needs to be changed.

 

downvote to this, because it lacks reason. It only stubbornly sticks to Tanki's least democratic decision to remove all negative feedback.

 

And, by the way, here's some more feedback:

1.  Who's said we have to be democratic?

2.  There's no reason to ask every forum user about every little thing, but it was a democratic decision within the team to enable likes (I don't really think anyone was very thrilled about likes either btw, but it was accepted), but not dislikes, so that actually is at least partly democratic.

3.  Not making it possible to press a button is definitely not the same as removing all negative feedback. It makes you have to think a couple of seconds about what to write, and forces you to actually care enough to write something, but it doesn't make it impossible, nor does it remove any existing negative feedback.

4.  If you have a big need to downvote things you can always go and press the thumbs down button on all our Youtube videos. Not sure how that is going to make a difference, but maybe it makes you happy that you have that option.

 

Another alternative to removing the dislike button would have been to implement a "star" rating - 1 to 5 stars.

 

Then each post would have a rating between 0 (no responses) to 5 (excellent) based on overall votes.

 

Theoretically this removes the "negative" values so a post would never have the possibility of dropping below 0.

 

A "like" really doesn't tell much without discussing "why."

Why bother? This is not a contest, so what's the point of ratings?

 

What's wrong with posting 'this' and '+1? Adding a like button isn't going to change that

 

There's a reason why there's a report button, you can't really harass or troll someone on a forum except through the personal messenger perhaps, i literally cannot see a logic in your argument

What are you even talking about? We were talking about dislikes and ratings, and now you bring up likes? I just don't see how I can get through to you if you keep changing the subject.

 

And while I can see how harassing/trolling can be relevant I haven't mentioned it so I don't see why you'd mention it, at least not together with you saying "i literally cannot see a logic in your argument" which makes it sound as if you are replying to what I have said.

[deadmanrising 715]

What are you even talking about? We were talking about dislikes and ratings, and now you bring up likes? I just don't see how I can get through to you if you keep changing the subject.

 

And while I can see how harassing/trolling can be relevant I haven't mentioned it so I don't see why you'd mention it, at least not together with you saying "i literally cannot see a logic in your argument" which makes it sound as if you are replying to what I have said.

 

Clearly if someone presses a dislike button they disagree with it, and have a chance to explain why (if they choose so) in quotes, that doesn't mean they are harassing you at all

 

I never changed the subject, in fact the point remains that everything you have said so far is counter productive all which i have heard a long time ago

 

This forum and the game as a whole is becoming more and more vague, its not as fun and freely open as it should be

[creeperskelly 1,281]

 

The majority of the community agrees with that decision.

 

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Why bother? This is not a contest, so what's the point of ratings?

 

If a majority agrees where is the proof? I didn't see any polls or really any proof based on what I was reading.

 

Why not post a poll and prove it to all? If you believe a majority supported it then you should not be scared to prove it by making a poll.

 

Also a "Like" doesn't really mean anything. Did a person really like it a lot? Like it slightly more than dislike it? If a dislike is meaningless without a reason to back it up why is a "Like" just accepted without a reason to back it up? The prior V-LOG had some things good and some things bad about it - rating it would be better. I gave it a "Like" because the good outweighed the bad, but, I certainly would not have given it a 5 - more like a 3.

 

A rating has nothing to do with it being a contest - it's just a better way to gauge overall feelings.

[Daslec 82]

I stop read here:

 

Who's said we have to be democratic?

 

 

The question is not be democratic. The question is respect the players with their opinions, players that support $$$ the game. And the players tha are not buyers but they end up diffusing the game to other people.

 

Remember, this should be a game, not a religion.

[delnina2 1,570]

Another alternative to removing the dislike button would have been to implement a "star" rating - 1 to 5 stars.

 

Then each post would have a rating between 0 (no responses) to 5 (excellent) based on overall votes.

 

Theoretically this removes the "negative" values so a post would never have the possibility of dropping below 0.

 

A "like" really doesn't tell much without discussing "why."

 

 

Dislikes give a concise view of how many people believe something is unpopular. It beats reading 200+ replies to a topic.

 

If a dislike should be explained shouldn't a like be explained also?

 

 

What do you say about that doncarnage !? 

[swede1 1,726]

Well I don't want to say I told you so, but I believe the cause and affect of removing the downvote option may create an explosion of flame wars on the forum. 

Personally I don't miss the downvote at all, I rarely used it, and if I did, I most certainly posted comments regarding that action.

Edited October 17, 2015 by swede1

[Noahinthedark 238]

If a majority agrees where is the proof? I didn't see any polls or really any proof based on what I was reading.

 

Why not post a poll and prove it to all? If you believe a majority supported it then you should not be scared to prove it by making a poll.

 

Also a "Like" doesn't really mean anything. Did a person really like it a lot? Like it slightly more than dislike it? If a dislike is meaningless without a reason to back it up why is a "Like" just accepted without a reason to back it up? The prior V-LOG had some things good and some things bad about it - rating it would be better. I gave it a "Like" because the good outweighed the bad, but, I certainly would not have given it a 5 - more like a 3.

 

A rating has nothing to do with it being a contest - it's just a better way to gauge overall feelings.

+1

[deadmanrising 715]

The majority of the community agrees with that decision.

 

Um no they do not, there was a poll 3-5 days ago which they removed, there were more dislikes than likes on the update and that's why they removed it

[I.Devastation 2,053]

 

The majority of the community agrees with that decision.

 

Just knowing that something is unpopular doesn't help you fix it, it doesn't even say what exactly people don't like. Just that something in the post in some way was enough for people to press the dislike button. You don't need that information for a like as a like basically means "keep doing what you are doing", but a dislike needs some information about what needs to be changed.

 

1.  Who's said we have to be democratic?

2.  There's no reason to ask every forum user about every little thing, but it was a democratic decision within the team to enable likes (I don't really think anyone was very thrilled about likes either btw, but it was accepted), but not dislikes, so that actually is at least partly democratic.

3.  Not making it possible to press a button is definitely not the same as removing all negative feedback. It makes you have to think a couple of seconds about what to write, and forces you to actually care enough to write something, but it doesn't make it impossible, nor does it remove any existing negative feedback.

4.  If you have a big need to downvote things you can always go and press the thumbs down button on all our Youtube videos. Not sure how that is going to make a difference, but maybe it makes you happy that you have that option.

 

Why bother? This is not a contest, so what's the point of ratings?

 

What are you even talking about? We were talking about dislikes and ratings, and now you bring up likes? I just don't see how I can get through to you if you keep changing the subject.

 

And while I can see how harassing/trolling can be relevant I haven't mentioned it so I don't see why you'd mention it, at least not together with you saying "i literally cannot see a logic in your argument" which makes it sound as if you are replying to what I have said.

 

they really don't...

[Guest]

Um no they do not, there was a poll 3-5 days ago which they removed, there were more dislikes than likes on the update and that's why they removed it

There was not such a poll - Devs announcements' topics usually never contain polls. The poll you are referring to was from another topic which was merged into this one - when merging two or more topics into one all the existing polls will be transferred into the final topic, but they usually get removed immediatly after (as it just happened with the poll you are speaking of).

[R.4.Z.O.R 1,067]

Was this update made because of how much dislikes semyon got? .-.

[Blazing-sugar-Dargon 295]

can some one tell me how to downvote?

[1-Last_Ride 112]

DIE