Episode 63 of the V-LOG is here

[TheGoldenTanker 4,951]

Okay, in my opinion with the prenium accounts:

 

The 50% extra crystals & exp + the special icon that we get is all fine to me.

 

But adding the paint that gives 20% protection from everything, (including mines) is just too much. Yeah, it's only 20% protection from everything. But there's a lot of hard core druggers out there on the battlefield these days. Most of them love to use DD or DA. Now, add a double armour on top of... say a fully M'ued Mammoth M3 (in HP) he'll have 900 HP + basically 40% protection from all turrets, if you think about it.

 

And buying XT's? So a Brigadier will be able to buy Thunder XT after spending some real money?

 

First off all, I thought XT's were exclusively for Generalissimos only?

 

Second of all, if buying XT's will become possible... well so much for XT equipment being "special and rare"

 

This prenium accounts update is really going to ruin Tanki, big time. And I can see a LOT of people leaving after it gets released.

[tommybau 1,033]

This i definitly agree with, but its hard to balance buying vs non-buying

can you foward my idea to something in the higher places? i already posted it in the V-log thread but no one is reading those.

 

My idea:

-Nerf the paint to something less game breaking like 10% or just uhm... 50% against mines.

-Maybe add a cool moving effect like an animated texture.

-in addiction to this, Double experience and crystals gain instead of just 1.5x

-Another cool feature could be +5% to the battle fund growth for each premium user in the battle: this way, EVERYONE will love premium users!

-Maybe 1/4 the wait time for micro-upgrades?

 

There are sooooo many features who can be given to premium users instead of the game-breaking Opness of the paint. Be wise!

[r_GaIaxy2 8,611]

can you foward my idea to something in the higher places? i already posted it in the V-log thread but no one is reading those.

There are sooooo many features who can be given to premium users instead of the game-breaking Opness of the paint. Be wise!

Make a topic in the Ideas and Suggestions sub-forum

[Technophyle 367]

When I saw "Premium Account" even before watching the V-log, I was disappointed as I like Tanki because there is no restrictions in here. Like an exclusive tank only for buyers or like that. Every non-buyer can achieve same thing as a buyer, but that will take more time and effort.

 

Then after watching V-log, I was not that disappointed because a paint only for buyers is not a big deal. 20% from all turret is not a big protection. I was fine with it.

 

But after seeing so many complains about the paint, I was wondering...

 

Is it really that unfair?

 

Well here is the answer.

 

Lets try to organize all paints in order of highest protection to lowest.

 

1. Which paint is the most powerful of all?

Of course, the paint of @Godmode_ON and no one will argue with that. But I think no one have a problem with it, also he is not like a regular player.

 

2. Second most protected paint?

Lord, and only one player have that. His name is sidlob. He helped Tanki in some legal issues. So, if he have the most powerful paint among players, no one should have any problem. Because of him we can play this game, I guess.

 

3. Third best paint of Tanki Online?

Champion, and this is technically available to any player if you can manage to win some tournament. Ok, so the best paint (not exclusive) is given to some winner team as their prize. That is not a problem at all. Plus, it does not stay as permanent in his/her garage.

 

4. After that?

Silver, ^same thing.

 

Problem Lies in here

5. Next are Bronze, Veteran and Premium. Ok, so they are trying to say that Premium paint is same as some really special paints which someone can get after very hard-work and team-work in any tournament?

 

6. And Acid is a waste? Premium is greater than Acid? Also Helper? Premium is better than Acid?

Edited October 11, 2015 by Technophyle

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Wow!!!

 

Premium Accounts?!?! >>>>That was all you guys took away from the Vlog?!?!

 

Don't act so surprised. Premium Accounts will radically alter this game and it will give a premium account buyer a massive advantage at low/mid ranks. A team of premium account druggers at any level will only have to show up to win unless they're playing another team of premium account druggers.

 

Everything else in the vlog comes secondary to such a big change and forgive us all if we're not focused enough on Unity's cosmetics. Premium accounts should quite rightly be opposed by all who love this game. It was a ridiculous idea that essentially makes this game Pay2Win because you cannot buy these accounts with crystals. That's the crux of the matter and if you can't see that then Wow to you too!!! But you do see it don't you?

 

Edit: Maybe I read your post wrong at first and I'm guessing now it was supposed to be that way.

Edited October 11, 2015 by AbsoluteZero

[L3BR0N 80]

http://en.tankiforum.com

[Playep 355]

 

- Another cool feature could be +5% to the battle fund growth for each premium user in the battle: this way, EVERYONE will love premium users!

this has to be added with premium account, along with a bit of nerfing and a rise in price

[QueenSeraphina 407]

I think it's okay to allow premium accounts, that 20% paint wouldn't do much in higher ranks unlike low ranks. But isn't it too early to speculate? Let them release then talk about it. :ph34r:

 

Depending on the price, not everyone can get a premium and I expect the Russians to get it...at least 50% cheaper in rubles. :mellow:

[K.U.O 36]

This game is dead ok.

I hope that it will "respawn" in unity...

[ardyy 624]

First of all, yes It's a business but I've been here since 5 years and a half and I've seen the changes you have made.. Totally rip off, taking our money slowly just by letting out  XT's and these premium accounts, there's nothing good about that, u just added a design on it, and the premium accounts I will guess that no body will like it, Instead of giving us something good back, you keep adding more BAD updates, and RIPPING US OFF, and let me tell you something..   If it wasn't for us "TankiOnline.com" wouldn't be here If It wasn't for US

 

~

And about the Ice cream thing, we are NOT "You're" kids.

Edited October 11, 2015 by ardyy

[HUGHIY 568]

Now this is what I call crytisizm

Um, can you please once again outline the reasons for the Premium update? 1 by 1.

If it's just because you want to give Premium players a paint they'll use, put the word 'PREMIUM' on their paints. That way the game isn't imbalanced.

 

Plus will PRO pass still be available for non buyers?

Edited October 11, 2015 by HUGHIY

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

Um, can you please once again outline the reasons for the Premium update? 1 by 1.

If it's just because you want to give Premium players a paint they'll use, put the word 'PREMIUM' on their paints. That way the game isn't imbalanced.

 

Plus will PRO pass still be avaialable for non buyers?

Lol, even my posts are deleted by the rule of public discussion of certain activities :D

 

Now give me a moment, I need to explain it.

[HUGHIY 568]

Lol, even my posts are deleted by the rule of public discussion of certain activities :D

 

Now give me a moment, I need to explain it.

OK.

[i200000 717]

Plus will PRO pass still be avaialable for non buyers?

Prehaps they will try to remove it...ONCE.

[Brubook 1,161]

Devs are real people. They do need to be paid so they can put food on the table. 

Shadow, please!

Make some calculations as I did (based on Alternativa Platform data), make some estimations and you will come with MILLIONS of net balances!

As I said, a good idea deserve to be successful, but greed and blind money drained to players is not a good strategy. Any idea to be successful has to be supported by appropriate management and customer care (in this case).

Don't compare TO staff with road beggar praying for some coins for food. They have diamonds on the table right now!

[D.A.R.K.L.E.G.I.O.N 129]

1) Yes you do, but for developers it is like be a parent. You can't give ice cream all the time.

2) Forum is less than 1% of game population. Loyal, but giving most of the criticism.

1. WE ARE NOT YOUR KID'S, We are CUSTOMERS, Okay?

    So, now slowly tanki is bleeding. You are loosing your money. So, you make this frickin things(Updates). Guess what

   In UNITY our accounts are going to be reset. I know about that and I am 1000% SURE. Or maybe they ask us to pay for account             transfer, Like poor -,- , So they are asking us to pay so they built UNITY and RESET accounts. And then again people buy and this is a never     ending process.

  

     TANKI YOU CAN'T FOOL INNOCENT, Okay?

 

[Thug 3,435]

U guys removed downvotes to don't let us downvote this page?(( 

[Brubook 1,161]

This i definitly agree with, but its hard to balance buying vs non-buying

And that balance is the recipy of success!

 

See: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=246957&hl=

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

Um, can you please once again outline the reasons for the Premium update?

So yeah, the reasons.

 

1) Money, obviously. This is not a big secret that another game-about-tanki-which-will-not-name-to-make-sure-nobody-will-be-upset-about-it making most of its profit by premium pass so it was only a question of time for TO.

2) Make a valuable low-to-mid-range purchase in game on monthly basis so it will give more stable profit.

3) To find a way around our single currency economy to make extra offers for paying user while not ruin the benefits of single currency system.

 

The reason premium account was never introduced to TO is... well... it might take me really deep into who made that decision, but I can't really. Thing is, some things have changed inside the office. Saying that, I must point out that our goals with this game are not changed, only the way we do things.

 

This meens this game is going to stay free2play and not going into pay2win department.

 

But 20% paint, why? This is how we shoot our own foot right there :D Thing is, this IS going against certain rules we have. We still go by the rule of no extra power should be locked behind pay wall. This 20% is a problem for me as for anybody here as well. I am not going to keep whole another balance for paying users, this is just rediculus, but if everybody will use this premium paint it will happen and will clearly meens pay2win. But we do need an extra something to give with premium pass to make it stand out. This is why we aimed for a paint. Paints are the only thing we got in this game to customize your tank :(  So didn't have much choice there. 20% protection was added to make this paint usefull, otherwise we fear it won't be anything special.

 

Ok, I've already told you that I am considering 20% paint as a convenient but not game braking, but nobody seems to agree with me. I don't want to sound like a broken record here, so I will take my arguments back. You do consider it OP, I get it. I agreed for 20% only to make it valuable and as long as we are discussing plans to split protections and paints in the future. As I've said, if they will be separated, there won't be any reason to keep this protection in game, while the paint will be able to stay. When this will happen? Well, as I've said there were some changes  in the office and you can see how fast we are on updates recently. No dates though.

 

As you can see there is no reason called 'to-make-buyers-op'. I've always considered supplies are far enough in this department. Making +5% for paying user will not change power ingame noticeably, but will have severe consequences for community. This is not where we are going with the paint. I will discuss protection for the paint again with my GD department and we will have a closer look on the matter. Maybe it will be lower, maybe it will be removed, maybe it will stay as it is. Anyway, balance rules are still apply. If this paint will turn out to be gamebraking, it will be cutted. As I've already told here few pages before  <_>

 

Ideal scenario will be to keep premium paint, but devide protections and paints into two separate entities. We will get there eventually, I hope. There are so many cool paints we can make for this game, but so few we can see in battles while protection is influencing which paint to pick. We always looked for Team Fortress kind of model with lots of options for customization. Problem is, we won't be able to keep afloat if this game will only offer paints. Flash is old, not shiny, not a widespread. We just won't be able to reach for our audience so there won't be enough money to keep the game around and making new one. And if we descard either old game or new game to concentrate our strengh we will go down hill for real at very same moment. This is why we have to go into twilight territory with our decisions. We have no choice but to live by our current auditory, otherwise the whole project will die.

 

This whole situation is just a big missunderstanding. I can see why it happend. There are not that much people to respond from the office to the community. Seriously, there like only two people who can talk to you here. Obviously we are not enough. I don't even suppose to comment on the matter. I am game designer, I got other things to do. Can't change much there so I ask you for the patience. Please?

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

I wonder how mods will delete this video when they go offline. You can't fight the horde you know :D

[LightTankKitM3 32]

So yeah, the reasons.

 

1) Money, obviously. This is not a big secret that another game-about-tanki-which-will-not-name-to-make-sure-nobody-will-be-upset-about-it making most of its profit by premium pass so it was only a question of time for TO.

2) Make a valuable low-to-mid-range purchase in game on monthly basis so it will give more stable profit.

3) To find a way around our single currency economy to make extra offers for paying user while not ruin the benefits of single currency system.

 

The reason premium account was never introduced to TO is... well... it might take me really deep into who made that decision, but I can't really. Thing is, some things have changed inside the office. Saying that, I must point out that our goals with this game are not changed, only the way we do things.

 

This meens this game is going to stay free2play and not going into pay2win department.

 

But 20% paint, why? This is how we shoot our own foot right there :D Thing is, this IS going against certain rules we have. We still go by the rule of no extra power should be locked behind pay wall. This 20% is a problem for me as for anybody here as well. I am not going to keep whole another balance for paying users, this is just rediculus, but if everybody will use this premium paint it will happen and will clearly meens pay2win. But we do need an extra something to give with premium pass to make it stand out. This is why we aimed for a paint. Paints are the only thing we got in this game to customize your tank :(  So didn't have much choice there. 20% protection was added to make this paint usefull, otherwise we fear it won't be anything special.

 

Ok, I've already told you that I am considering 20% paint as a convenient but not game braking, but nobody seems to agree with me. I don't want to sound like a broken record here, so I will take my arguments back. You do consider it OP, I get it. I agreed for 20% only to make it valuable and as long as we are discussing plans to split protections and paints in the future. As I've said, if they will be separated, there won't be any reason to keep this protection in game, while the paint will be able to stay. When this will happen? Well, as I've said there were some changes  in the office and you can see how fast we are on updates recently. No dates though.

 

As you can see there is no reason called 'to-make-buyers-op'. I've always considered supplies are far enough in this department. Making +5% for paying user will not change power ingame noticeably, but will have severe consequences for community. This is not where we are going with the paint. I will discuss protection for the paint again with my GD department and we will have a closer look on the matter. Maybe it will be lower, maybe it will be removed, maybe it will stay as it is. Anyway, balance rules are still apply. If this paint will turn out to be gamebraking, it will be cutted. As I've already told here few pages before  <_<

 

Ideal scenario will be to keep premium paint, but devide protections and paints into two separate entities. We will get there eventually, I hope. There are so many cool paints we can make for this game, but so few we can see in battles while protection is influencing which paint to pick. We always looked for Team Fortress kind of model with lots of options for customization. Problem is, we won't be able to keep afloat if this game will only offer paints. Flash is old, not shiny, not a widespread. We just won't be able to reach for our audience so there won't be enough money to keep the game around and making new one. And if we descard either old game or new game to concentrate our strengh we will go down hill for real at very same moment. This is why we have to go into twilight territory with our decisions. We have no choice but to live by our current auditory, otherwise the whole project will die.

 

This whole situation is just a big missunderstanding. I can see why it happend. There are not that much people to respond from the office to the community. Seriously, there like only two people who can talk to you here. Obviously we are not enough. I don't even suppose to comment on the matter. I am game designer, I got other things to do. Can't change much there so I ask you for the patience. Please?

You know good and well this paint is more op than any in the game.

[Guest]

I wonder how mods will delete this video when they go offline. You can't fight the horde you know :D

Well, nothing to fight against, just removing childish videos posting false accusations and false statements.

 

As you said in your posts and, as Semyon stated before, we really hope to see positive criticisms, brought up with valid arguments and not random facts not proven to be true :)

 

This is an hard period for everyone, for those on "Tanki Online side" and for those "against the Updates", but we need to cooperate to find a middle line of agreement, in my opinion. Making videos like the ones mentioned above simply ruins the purpose of discussing positively and suggesting things :D

[Opex-Rah 5,375]

You know good and well this paint is more op than any in the game.

Well... not exactly more OP than... you know... godmodeon's paint or champion's paint. Anyway, I got your point. Will look into it.

[Technophyle 367]

Acid, Champion etc... are some valuable paints. And if someone is using that paint in battle, then obviously he will feel proud. You cant buy them. There are some tournaments where you can get these paints as a prize.

 

No matter what protection you choose for "Premium" paint. But obviously "Premium" paint should not have more protection than any of those paint, ever!

 

But now I don't feel like its worth to complete against someone for a less powerful paint. Now a recruit can have more powerful paint than Acid.

 

In Hardstyle tournament, obviously everyone was fighting for that Acid paint. They don't care about 200k crystals. I guess they wasted more crystals than that in the entire tournament.

[Extant 154]

Well, nothing to fight against, just removing childish videos posting false accusations and false statements.

 

As you said in your posts and, as Semyon stated before, we really hope to see positive criticisms, brought up with valid arguments and not random facts not proven to be true :)

 

This is an hard period for everyone, for those on "Tanki Online side" and for those "against the Updates", but we need to cooperate to find a middle line of agreement, in my opinion. Making videos like the ones mentioned above simply ruins the purpose of discussing positively and suggesting things :D

You are a joke.