Myths and rumours answered

[creeperskelly 1,281]

yele, ostrica, issho, don't bother lads.  You are all incompetent admins and cannot give @creeperskelly what he seeks.  He seeks all full final information about a system that is still being developed and demands that those information have been posted on the wiki last year!!  -_-

Sarcasm doesn't impress me.

[Guest]

Sarcasm doesn't impress me.

It seems that explanations from Admins don't, aswell.

[creeperskelly 1,281]

"obviously it's not your fault if you are being kept in the dark as well - nobody is blaming the mods or helpers if you don't know anything either. But someone needs to understand higher up that keeping people in the dark about important aspects of the game isn't a great way to keep and build a loyal customer base."

 

I'm not placing the blame on you guys.

Edited October 17, 2015 by creeperskelly

[ajitvik 231]

really it all comes down to luck for the daily missions.. tbh i understand what you are talking about.. it seems there is a long streak of getting one or two items at once while all the time... it is odd ik but really it is coming down to percentages and thats why you can change it... complete your missions each day  to have the best chance to get what you want

 

mines are useful for attack and defense, they should be used when you are being rammed by another enemy as that enemy is moving towards you and if you plant a mine while moving back they will run on it.. each supply has a use for itself in the game

 

Mines- to kill or weaken people attacking you or the base

Speed boost: used to get to another persons base and also only has 15 second reload for other supplies

the rest are pretty much common sense when to use

 

i don't work for staff .-.

i am just here as a troll and common sense person.. i understand that many don't see both sides of the story and tbh they listen to a couple of things and don't see the big picture and like to sometimes miss words purposely.. i having play on a game where there is premium, i understand what they are doing

 

i also speak English as my first language so i can help other who don't speak it as their first that much

 

the devs had actually told everyone that all turrets would be nerfed since they had bumped their stats up and alot of turrets had been nerfed.

 

not sure what sale you are talking about...

1) dude..xt items  were in game for how long 1 month,now just after 1 month a premium feature is told where you can buy the xt items for some amount.my question is why hide the premium thing form people?is it too make people waste their crystals..i know nobody is taking food from anyone's mouth.but for me it is just unethical.

 

2)the same thing is with turrets,we know that some turrets were just too powerful to start with.Do you know why?

answer:-to sell the damn turret,if people dont buy it.put a massive sale on---> immediately after the massive sale is over,nerf the damn thing.!!.you tell me..do you like buying things and then seeing them nerfed.?

 

why does the company not nerf the turret and then make the sale? why is the sale before the nerfing. answer me!

 

i will give you another example of such tactics!!--> shaft just before the laser update got massive off at 70 percent last year.just after the sale was over.we saw laser update which according to me highhandedly destroyed shaft.i bought the shaft never knowing that developers were looking to add laser feature.if i knew this in advance i would have never bought the shaft in the first place.

 

Another example:-freeze is another noob weapon  now in game and you can see it's kits after the nerfing..the so called refrigerator kit.company wants to sell the stuff which nobody in sane mind will buy..

i understood that whenever a sale is on for a turret,it will be rebalanced next.so always buy things at december or may sales..never in any kit or any individual sale.it is just to make sure people spend money on buying crystals and then end up using a noob weapon.

 

 

i was taken for a ride once.not again and again.. :)

Edited October 17, 2015 by ajitvik

[Guest]

"obviously it's not your fault if you are being kept in the dark as well - nobody is blaming the mods or helpers if you don't know anything either. But someone needs to understand higher up that keeping people in the dark about important aspects of the game isn't a great way to keep and build a loyal customer base."

 

I'm not placing the blame on your guys.

Then please see this post, @creeperskelly :)

 

As you can imagine, Tanki Online is a Company and, as a Company, it has its own plans and strategies which will not be revealed untill the planned date or time, understand this please, it is the key-point for all the arguments done in this topic and anywhere else.

 

As you just stated, you do not blame us, and you are correct in doing so - we, as Admins, and all our Helpers aswell, do not have more infos than users. We provide players informations which Devs provide us, nothing more or less :)

[creeperskelly 1,281]

why does the company not nerf the turret and then make the sale? why is the sale before the nerfing. answer me!

Do you want the cynical reason or the logical reason?

 

When it sells too much then it becomes OP, so, it gets nerfed due to the new popularity. That's the "logical" answer.

The cynical answer: would you really nerf something first then sell it, or, try to extract as many crystals as you can for it - then nerf it - since refunds and exchanges are not allowed?

 

Which do you think they would choose?

[creeperskelly 1,281]

Then please see this post, @creeperskelly :)

 

As you can imagine, Tanki Online is a Company and, as a Company, it has its own plans and strategies which will not be revealed untill the planned date or time, understand this please, it is the key-point for all the arguments done in this topic and anywhere else.

 

As you just stated, you do not blame us, and you are correct in doing so - we, as Admins, and all our Helpers aswell, do not have more infos than users. We provide players informations which Devs provide us, nothing more or less :)

I know that very well having worked in corporate America - and it's frustrating to see the disconnect between the bean counters and the public face of a company. You all are put in the tough position of having to deal with the public with a limited amount of information.

 

My suggestion was to somehow find a way to get the point across to those who make the decisions about releasing information that giving us a bit more time to know about upcoming changes rather than suddenly springing them upon us would make for much better customer relations. It doesn't require that every single tidbit be released.

 

Happy customers are paying customers! :)

Edited October 17, 2015 by creeperskelly

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

Do not try to divert the subject by focusing on Arabiannoble. You are suggesting that his video broke the rules, which is fine to me. However, so did that other post that attacked me directly with insults. Instead, you decided as an administrator to just change the text while intentionally leaving all the insulting implications in place. The other day I wrote that the administrators do what ever they want in this game, and that this is a sign of corruption. My assumption was based upon a fact that Ostrica in a civilized way came to invalidate, so I silently accepted that I was in the wrong and moved on. However from the way you actually treated this situation, the initial assumption I made about the administration doing what ever they want that still continues to be valid.

 

As a last note, I did not enjoy the read, and I was very close to dying from reading that wall of nonsense text with random quotes and pictures from random skype conversations.  If you want to make a point, you should start by figuring out what is the point that you want to make. Then you start by writing a small introduction, the main paragraph with all your arguments, and the conclusion to give your final point a strong stand. I recall learning that from when I was in primary school. You are doing exactly the opposite thing, and as if that wasn't enough, you always start your posts with irony, and no matter how strong your arguments might be, your "you are stupid and here is why" approach automatically weakens them.

 

I joined the conversation in this thread because I was in doubt about the ability of some people in this game to run the sections they were assigned to run, in a proper and meaningful way. You confirmed my doubts.

I am done with this thread, I will go on to enjoy the game, what ever there is left of it anyway.

I am so sorry that a guy who made some short defaming videos with tons of inaccurate and incomplete information won you over someone who gave a thorough explanation to your question in writing form just because the latter did not respect the main pre-university academic rules of essay writing [intro, body, conclusion].  

 

I am also sorry that you're infuriated over me not giving the person a ban but instead do as we teach all mods : warn first & where possible only remove the rule-breaking titbits and allow the post to remain so as not to interrupt the dialogue.

 

 

This game is soon going to decline. They have done too much. After update 123 the game is going downhill.

Bro update 123 was almost 3 years ago.  That hill must be super long to go down it :o  Also part of going down that hill weirdly involved having gone up a mountain of success as well !?!?  :huh:

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

 

Bro update 123 was almost 3 years ago.  That hill must be super long to go down it :o  Also part of going down that hill weirdly involved having gone up a mountain of success as well !?!?  :huh:

 

Update 123: in that case I have to compliment TO for stretching the "agony" for sooo long. Well done! :D

Edited October 17, 2015 by Lord-of-the-Snipers

[ajitvik 231]

Do you want the cynical reason or the logical reason?

 

When it sells too much then it becomes OP, so, it gets nerfed due to the new popularity. That's the "logical" answer.

The cynical answer: would you really nerf something first then sell it, or, try to extract as many crystals as you can for it - then nerf it - since refunds and exchanges are not allowed?

 

Which do you think they would choose?

i say issue a balanced weapon...from the start.(vulcan could have been balanced from the very start),this is one of the reasons i did not buy vulcan because it got a massive nerf..it was always going to happen otherwise company would never give an off on the turret.

i know it is a company there to make profit but this is disgusting.did you read my post about shaft?

Edited October 17, 2015 by ajitvik

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

I know that very well having worked in corporate America - and it's frustrating to see the disconnect between the bean counters and the public face of a company. You all are put in the tough position of having to deal with the public with a limited amount of information.

 

My suggestion was to somehow find a way to get the point across to those who make the decisions about releasing information that giving us a bit more time to know about upcoming changes rather than suddenly springing them upon us would make for much better customer relations. It doesn't require that every single tidbit be released.

 

Happy customers are paying customers!  :)

A conversation I had with one of the main guys responsible for releasing information on the previous friday-saturday night (9-10 Oct) :

http://i.imgur.com/aGfBndR.png  (even included part of my very own opinion about controversial premium paint)

 

Now tell me, if he gives even more info about it wouldn't that be in contradiction with your own recommendation above?  

 

Also do bear in mind that upon making the decision to announce it in that vlog they knew that they will be releasing more info about it in the upcoming weeks anyway upon launching the premium thing.  Hence they avoided all technicalities of it (or single tidbit as you put it) and explained rather exhaustively most, if not all aspects of premium in simple comprehensible manner for all types of audiences to understand, while at the same time giving the developers still working on the thing day and night a chance to fix all technicalities in the best ways possible without forcing them to abide by a set of technicalities they could have announced, thus setting all the development plans in stone, making it a 1-way launch thing that could not be reversed or altered a single bit even if things went catastrophic, cause you know, it would have then been fully announced and unveiled and making changes after would make people like you go even more mad.

 

Should that have been the comms strategy to be adopted.  I ask to you personally who have been working in corporate world , would you have chosen that kind of strategy if you were to make the decision?

 

And lastly my friend, is it so hard to concede you're just being a tad impatient over something that is yet to be released?

[Rayyan 3,415]

Why not add canyon and deck-9

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

As for the proposed Kick-2 system, you did have that talk with me too, and this will infuriate you a lot, you think so highly of it but it really is just sub-par and so many things have not been considered in it.  In fact I still remember my first comment on that topic, and since then it has progressed I reckon, but it went from craddle to sandbox.  That's why it was never implemented.  And the truth is much more elaborate plans have been thought about well before Kick-2, but there are many technical reasons why they weren't achieved.  Several of these same reasons are behind the push to unity.

I'm calling you out here. Tell me where kick2 would not work.

Too add, you say that it wasn't implemented because it didn't get very far but we all know that's a crock. It didn't get very far because TO likes to have mults around. It's a fact. They've been saying that they are against it all this time but what have they done to stop it. Nada, nothing zip! It's profitable for TO to have mults. Just admit it. We're not soft.

Edited October 17, 2015 by AbsoluteZero

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Then please see this post, @creeperskelly :) <<<< I have no idea what this link is about

 

As you can imagine, Tanki Online is a Company and, as a Company, it has its own plans and strategies which will not be revealed untill the planned date or time, understand this please, it is the key-point for all the arguments done in this topic and anywhere else.

 

As you just stated, you do not blame us, and you are correct in doing so - we, as Admins, and all our Helpers aswell, do not have more infos than users. We provide players informations which Devs provide us, nothing more or less :) <<<< which in most cases is nothing

I think it is soon time to make a topic about all the problems that are in this game. But it will be a long one.

[AbsoIuteAIpha 29]

For the millionth time - no. Admins do not know anything about sales, promotions, purchases, sales, kits, programming and / or marketing decisions of Tanki. 

Okay for the millionth time, I´m just asking.

[AbsoIuteAIpha 29]

I think it is soon time to make a topic about all the problems that are in this game. But it will be a long one.

THey will hide that topic, because they HIDE all critism.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

yele, ostrica, issho, don't bother lads.  You are all incompetent admins and cannot give @creeperskelly what he seeks.  He seeks all full final information about a system that is still being developed and demands that those information have been posted on the wiki last year!!  -_-

That's just uncalled for. Grow up.

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

yele, ostrica, issho, don't bother lads.  You are all incompetent admins and cannot give @creeperskelly what he seeks.  He seeks all full final information about a system that is still being developed and demands that those information have been posted on the wiki last year!!  -_-

Now your crossing the line, because nowhere did @creeperskelly insult the admins or the mods. He is clearly blaming Tanki for inconsistent and misleading information. But yet you are condescending to him. Historically the Wiki has never been a very reliable place to get information. Many times the Wiki page has been updated well after the Russian version.   

 

From friend to friend, I don't think this was appropriate at all. I hope you can respect what I say.

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

1) dude..xt items  were in game for how long 1 month,now just after 1 month a premium feature is told where you can buy the xt items for some amount.my question is why hide the premium thing form people?is it too make people waste their crystals..i know nobody is taking food from anyone's mouth.but for me it is just unethical.

 

2)the same thing is with turrets,we know that some turrets were just too powerful to start with.Do you know why?

answer:-to sell the damn turret,if people dont buy it.put a massive sale on---> immediately after the massive sale is over,nerf the damn thing.!!.you tell me..do you like buying things and then seeing them nerfed.?

 

why does the company not nerf the turret and then make the sale? why is the sale before the nerfing. answer me!

 

i will give you another example of such tactics!!--> shaft just before the laser update got massive off at 70 percent last year.just after the sale was over.we saw laser update which according to me highhandedly destroyed shaft.i bought the shaft never knowing that developers were looking to add laser feature.if i knew this in advance i would have never bought the shaft in the first place.

 

Another example:-freeze is another noob weapon  now in game and you can see it's kits after the nerfing..the so called refrigerator kit.company wants to sell the stuff which nobody in sane mind will buy..

i understood that whenever a sale is on for a turret,it will be rebalanced next.so always buy things at december or may sales..never in any kit or any individual sale.it is just to make sure people spend money on buying crystals and then end up using a noob weapon.

 

 

i was taken for a ride once.not again and again.. :)

1)  mate its not like XT is being given away for free to a bunch of people called premiums.  premiums involved they are buying it, and possibly they might even end up paying it dearer than those who got it with daily missions

 

2)  marketing people will surely hate me for saying that , but their sales is what messes the balance of the game.

 

basically it goes like this :

Balanced game → progressively tends towards imbalance (due to player's gameplay evolving) → everyone wants sales → sales happen → everyone goes to get new things to pwn → game ends up with more of a certain types of things and less of others → players gameplay evolves again towards more imbalance → the fact that not all players think alike and so many options available further decreases the balance of the game ...... 

 

↑ overly simplified.  There's so many other things that come into play in this process.  But it does help explain how sales is a major catalyst to imbalance.  Sales is like the Nitro of imbalance being abused  :blink:  Even if guys like kovtun and strizhak and others you see in the vlogs makes a balance before the sales, the sales will obliterate that balance within a week.

 

As a player I welcome that shaft laser to be honest.  And Freeze has always been my favourite weapon of choice in this game since I started off in late 2011.  Ever since it was introduced all updates it had were basically nerf updates.  I don't recall that turret getting much love at all.  Yet despite all that no real big wars or even drug wars was complete without a freeze.  Its only very recently with the unfreezing effect of health kits and isida that we started seeing it decline a bit, but its still a damn good turret to have in a battle  :wub: 

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

Now your crossing the line, because nowhere did @creeperskelly insult the admins or the mods. He is clearly blaming Tanki for inconsistent and misleading information. But yet you are condescending to him. Historically the Wiki has never been a very reliable place to get information. Many times the Wiki page has been updated well after the Russian version.   

 

From friend to friend, I don't think this was appropriate at all. I hope you can respect what I say.

I never said he did insult any of them.  Just seizing the opportunity to pick on my fellow colleagues a little :p  They'll get the banter.  But facetiousness aside, I am not wielding axes or swords at creeperskelly.  If I was I wouldn't be bothered to take all that time to type the above explaining to him the vantage point of devs when it comes to announcements.  Something I'm not paid to do during my free-time on a Saturday night, and something creeper will know no other company would even bother to discuss about in a public forum

 

As for the wiki ,, hehe , they've got new people for that :)  Little by little I'm sure it'll pick up :)

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

I'm calling you out here. Tell me where kick2 would not work.

Too add, you say that it wasn't implemented because it didn't get very far but we all know that's a crock. It didn't get very far because TO likes to have mults around. It's a fact. They've been saying that they are against it all this time but what have they done to stop it. Nada, nothing zip! It's profitable for TO to have mults. Just admit it. We're not soft.

Fact :  Mults make buyers run .  Tanki loves when its buyers run  

 

Also AZ kick2 has been the oldest unlocked topic in I&S section, know why?  Cause they really respect all the hard work you've put into it.  Its tremendous.  Is it enough though?  Absolutely not.  Are you to be blamed for that?  Absolutely not!  Then who or what to blame?  Flash!  What has devs freaking been doing about all that then?  Unity!  Seriously bro its just fancy graphics and moving trees!  Oh wait no, its not!!  Its also a much much more better developping platform and engine allowing devs to realistically implement anti-multing mechanisms which are even better than kick 2 has been proposing so far.

[AbsoIuteAIpha 29]

I really, REALLY hope. When Unity is here...

 

That the Problems are gone

Players have love for the game again

And I hope the HATE is gone than.. All the fights on the forum ... AAaaaarghHHgh

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

I can appreciate your issues. I just want answers like everyone else. Why don't the devs and the owners talk to us. No one will talk to us besides the mods and they, like they have said many times, don't know any more than we do. Who does know more than we do? The devs and owners - yet they refuse to talk. I ASKED to speak to an owner and was flatly told no. Misinformation starts where there is no information. YOU mods don't have it so why doesn't someone talk to us that does? We see a long list of rules and punishments. We see bans and blocks. Is this all you people do? I think people love the game but would like some answers. Why can't the devs tell us when is the next sale? Why can't they tell us their plans? Why can't they tell us our tank that we just paid big money for is about to be nerfed (like me.)Surely they know. Why does everything have to be a secret? And yes I have programmed for flash and no it is not easy. Why doesn't someone say that instead of saying "it is going to be a slow process?" And if the programmers can't get things fixed what are we to believe? Just asking.

oh no!  And I don't think other companies in any industry announce wayyyy in advance when they will have sales.  If however you do know of such a company doing that, and if they have online sales and overseas shipping then please bro pm me :)

 

If you've programmed for flash then you'll understand that the reason they didn't say "its impossible" but instead said "it will be a long process" is because its not impossible, flash despite being flawed on many levels, opens a lot of possibilities.  But it will require tremendous efforts and super long hours of work and months to come up with a viable solution, and even that has no guarantee of success, will not necessarily be efficient, in fact the chances of it being poor at efficiency are higher, not to mention every little line they'll code will require extra CPU time, both on server and client side, and if you recall the latency in the game as it is right now is already more than what should be acceptable and tolerable.  there'll be increases in instability and all that willl accelerate system instability even more , etc ......   I can go on and on and on about this.

 

Bottom line is, the benefits outweighs the costs.  Better make a new game on a platform and engine that is designed to handle all that right at its core.

 

Please check my posts above for the sales and balancing (nerfing)  please check @Yele's and 's posts about everything else I didn't answer

[Canadian_Eh 1,354]

Fact :  Mults make buyers run .  Tanki loves when its buyers run <<< actually it's the buyers and raiders that are using the mults.

 

Also AZ kick2 has been the oldest unlocked topic in I&S section, know why?  Cause they really respect all the hard work you've put into it.  Its tremendous.  Is it enough though?  Absolutely not.  Are you to be blamed for that?  Absolutely not!  Then who or what to blame?  Flash!  What has devs freaking been doing about all that then?  Unity!  Seriously bro its just fancy graphics and moving trees!  Oh wait no, its not!!  Its also a much much more better developping platform and engine allowing devs to realistically implement anti-multing mechanisms which are even better than kick 2 has been proposing so far.

Well these are some of the benefits of Unity that people have never heard about. So here's an idea for the next V-log. Forget about telling us about the fancy graphics and 3D trees and give some information to those of us that want to know about all the underlying issues in this game. What are the plans for all of these other issues? 

 

I want to know about:

• a reporting system
• hacks and cheats prevention
• better account control to prevent trolls and chat abuse.
• a better punishment system and maybe even a rewards system for those that help to keep the game under control. 

I'm sure I missed something but you get the point. Some of us care more about having an enjoyable experience while playing as opposed to amazing graphics.

Edited October 17, 2015 by Canadian_Eh

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

1)  mate its not like XT is being given away for free to a bunch of people called premiums.  premiums involved they are buying it, and possibly they might even end up paying it dearer than those who got it with daily missions

 

2)  marketing people will surely hate me for saying that , but their sales is what messes the balance of the game.

 

basically it goes like this :

Balanced game → progressively tends towards imbalance (due to player's gameplay evolving) → everyone wants sales → sales happen → everyone goes to get new things to pwn → game ends up with more of a certain types of things and less of others → players gameplay evolves again towards more imbalance → the fact that not all players think alike and so many options available further decreases the balance of the game ...... 

 

↑ overly simplified.  There's so many other things that come into play in this process.  But it does help explain how sales is a major catalyst to imbalance.  Sales is like the Nitro of imbalance being abused  :blink:  Even if guys like kovtun and strizhak and others you see in the vlogs makes a balance before the sales, the sales will obliterate that balance within a week.

 

As a player I welcome that shaft laser to be honest.  And Freeze has always been my favourite weapon of choice in this game since I started off in late 2011.  Ever since it was introduced all updates it had were basically nerf updates.  I don't recall that turret getting much love at all.  Yet despite all that no real big wars or even drug wars was complete without a freeze.  Its only very recently with the unfreezing effect of health kits and isida that we started seeing it decline a bit, but its still a damn good turret to have in a battle  :wub: 

The Shaft laser was a welcome update. Especially if a camping Shaft managed to stay hidden for a while it could make

a row of victims easy peasy. Too easy IMO and it could spoil an otherwise good battle.

Freeze is nerfed too much. It mostly lost his main effect which ofc is freezing.

I don 't want to go back to the days where a Freeze could turn you in a living statue...

but as a Tanker once said on this forum: "now it can 't even cool my drinks".

 

In contrary to you, I don 't believe that TO wants balanced gameplay.

That makes sense also, if they want to sell equipment, so I don 't condemn them for doing it:

Who doesn 't remember the Ricocalypse? Tankers were standing in line to get themselves that OP turret.

after a few weeks it was nerfed as most experienced Tankers already expected: OP stuff mostly doesn 't last that long.

 

And what about the Vulcan? Yes, it had a nerf but that was a nerf to prevent players to be able to challenge Godmode_On...

it 's still incredibly powerfull and can disturb/spoil a game the same way the Shaft could before the laser update.

Vulcan is being sold very well, numbers are rising.

At the moment you can buy the "Icelandic" Mammoth/Vulcan M3 combo kit again

which only has the wrong paint...replace it with Zeus and become near invincible. 

There 's quite a lot of agreement this turret (especially at M3) is way too strong at the moment.

That 's even been said by Vulcan users themselves on the Vulcan topic.

I 'm sure Tanki will nerf it, but only after sales of this turret goes down.

Again I don 't blame TO for this strategy. It can be (a bit) annoying for the gameplay but they

need to sell equipment to keep the game running.