Changes to micro-upgrades

[lrjcarr 26]

complaints don't work, tanki devs will do what they want, my suggestion is find a new game to play, this update killed all my excitement in the game, I'm not going to spend 6 months of crystals just to micro upgrade sh1t i don't want.

Edited November 13, 2015 by lrjcarr

[wild001 786]

Paint MU is biggest fail

 

most people will have more paints than gun and hull in the end.

 

look at those paint,

 

Old Clay:

max MU time takes 53400 min = 37 days

 

New Clay:

max MU time takes 112508 min = 78 days.

 

tanki know free player will not buy speed up, so they just double the time of microupgrades, so free players will wait more than before, old days, I can MU 3-4 steps in each sale, now I can only MU like 1-2 steps.

 

also to MU clay to reason protection, 40% thunder, 45% rail, it cost 273k without speed up, in sale, that is 136k, and takes 25 000 min (17 days, that is around 3 sales,

imagine 7 days of MU per each sale, and it may took half year to get it if tanki is give MU sales every 2 month)

 

Now, the new MU clay to 40% thunder, 45% rail, it will cost 362k without speed up, in sale, that is 181k, and takes 54 325 min (37 days, that is around 6 sales)

imagine 7 days of MU per each sale, and it may took 1 year to get it if tanki is give MU sales every 2 month)

 

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if you want to fully MU a paint, It will take 2 years to get it. as the last 10% add to MU will cost another 58 183 min (40 days)

 

My old Needle fully MU the hard way one step by one step in 2014 only took me 1 year and 400k. now, free user expect to pay same 400k, but have to wait 2 years to Max it.

 

reference link

 

http://ru.tankiwiki.com/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%C2%AB%D0%A2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%C2%BB&oldid=250543

 

http://ru.tankiwiki.com/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%C2%AB%D0%A2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%C2%BB

[OKDad70 862]

Everybody like the free upgrade, but you took away our choices. I don't like it. Nice bump today, but sad in the long run.

[Freezanator 26]

It doesn't make any sense! I thought after you bought all MUs it should cost the same price of the next mod. Instead, it is DOUBLE the price! Please explain this to me.

[OKDad70 862]

It also evens things out too much. Now there will be much less variability between turrets and hulls. All hornets at a given M-level are going to be about the same. Some a little more powerful at a higher MU and some a little less. There will not be the one with lesser turn, but higher speed, another with full extra protection, but no weight. The turret with exactly the same turn rate as the hull, tuned just so on purpose, with minimal outlay in crystals. Now, no more.

 

These things are good for variety of combat.

 

Also, there was the ability to choose low weight for extra jump or parkour. Extra speed and extra power with low weight might make the tank squirrely, but that will suit a few tankers perfectly. Now, no more. Nice, even, gradual improvement of all parameters.

 

I really don't like it.

 

Sure, I appreciate the boost, but overall, I will miss the ability to tweak from now on. I'll forget about the improved stats in two more ranks.

[SpeedyRailgun 183]

 

 

 

This update is going to ruin the game. The staff of tanki seriously needs some statistics from the game to understand how this is seriously going to ruin the gameplay like hell. Tanki staff is just going nuts. They are ruining the game update after update. You may ban me from forum but please understand my point first. I will give some interesting stats. These stats WILL definitely be ignored by all those selfish tankers whose equipment has got maxed due to maxly upgrading just one of the parameters earlier. THIS IS VERY UNFAIR VERY VERY UNFAIR tanki!. And you selfish tankers are worthless to improve the gameplay by giving suggestions to tanki.

 

THE example:

This is from the earlier stats of a particular gun. I choose to explain for smoky m0 as it has the most parameters (7).

 

Damage (11 parameters)

Impact force (24 parameters)

Reload time (5 parameters)

Rotation speed (25 parameters)

Range (16 parameters)

Critical chance (25 parameters)

Critical damage (25 parameters)

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Total parameters = 11 + 24 + 5 + 25 + 16 + 25 + 25 = 121 parameters to be upgraded.

 

NOW, i will explain the rubbish that tanki has just done. Suppose some tanker has upgraded critical damage completely : that is just FREAKING 25 parameters ONLY out of a whole 121!

This means he has upgraded his turret by just (25/121)*100 % = 20.66%

And stupid tanki is giving him the whole free turret! That is just like the tanker is being spoonfed the rest of the parameters. DOES FREAKING ANYONE give a 100% upgraded stuff to a guy who has just upgraded his stuff by 20.66%?

 

Ideally on the other hand, this guy has upgraded his stuff by 20.66% so that means that the tanker should get the new parameters such that it represents 20.66% of 50.

50 * 20.66% = 10.33 parameters.

THE TANKER SHOULD HENCE JUST GET A GUN OF 11 PARAMETERS UPGRADED! DO YOU FREAKING UNDERSTAND ME TANKI!!!!!? 

 

This update is just so rubbish except for the fact about speed-ups which is more sensible than before IMO.

 

I HOPE MY CRITICAL REVIEW OF THIS UPDATE WILL GET SOME SENSE TO TANKI DEVS!

 

 

 

ALSO, another important thing that Tanki is not understanding! Currently I have about 245000 crystals. I am saving up for the Christmas sale but suppose on some particular instance I want to upgrade something like suppose the reload of my M3 Railgun. That would have cost me 2448 crystals if it were as earlier BUT now, I have to freaking spend about 7000 crystals for a complete upgrade of all the parameters that I do not even want to upgrade.

WHAT SENSE DOES THIS MAKE.

 

THIS IS FOR ALL WHO UNDERSTAND MY MATH and TANKI should implement this or keeps GETTING DISLIKES even though we cant give them anymore!

 

 

You've got a good point in there man.

Actualy, I like hulls got upgraded, but about turrets... Yes....

[mynameisdaniel_2015 144]

YES I LOVE YOU TANKI!

[Hayagriva 107]

Thanks to you and P-Shooter for answering my question.

Oh, plus thanks for all your hard AND FREE work on our behalf! :D

 

 

No problems at all, here for that  :wub:

 

Man that was sarcasm.

 

It measn user know all helpers do their jobs, and get befenit from it. Theirs opinion is not neutral, becouse of mentioned benefit and it is social media marketing machine, not social media user friendly sharing experience.

[Cyborg 3,189]

I don't have any problem with this update, ( i am not a buyer) . The only thing that bothers me that its unfair now. But how?, Let me explain,

Take railgun for example, Those who mu'd it's reload or impact to max earlier they now have an m4. Not a problem, But now after the update let's say an m2 user wants to mu it to m3 he check the new wiki and spot's that now mu'ing his m2 to m3 with cost him the exact double amount of crystals. What will he do? Most probably buy the next modification and prefferably mu that one to m4 instead of spending double amount of crystals just to get it from m2 to m3. Hopw you understand what i mean.

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Those who don't want to read everything all I mean is why is mu price double of next modification?​

[Hayagriva 107]

Alternate universe, huh?

Reality can be so illusive.

 

Trol man. Boot. Marketing tool.

[SmokedPork 0]

Another bad update to either get used to or say forget it and quit playing, Im getting really tired of these frequently bad updates!

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

All those players, to saying this is the best update ever have obviously been given maxed out modifications because they had at least one parameter for that mod already fully mu'd. They say this because they're now stronger for not having to spend any extra crystals. But while those players are today's winners, unless they're m4 already, they'll be tomorrows losers having to pay for every parameter in future. They will then be canon fodder for the m4's at the top of this game (of which are now many). No longer can you just afford to upgrade damage and protection on your favourite combo, so good luck with that and get to my level soon so I can obliterate you when I see you.

 

And this is just another huge SPIT IN THE FACE to the players that got tanki where it is today. I already had ALL my hulls and turrets m4 before this update so I'm naturally upset when I wake up and find out tanki have been giving out m4's like sweets to anyone who had maxed out just one parameter. Ok, so what if I only ever bought during 50% sales and only when I had a dcc, so what if I only spent those crystals during sales, I still feel stabbed in the back.

 

It doesn't surprise me though. Tanki are not doing any of this for the players because we know from past experience they only do things like this for themselves. While it looks generous on the surface to some, there will be a hidden agenda here as usual. This giveaway will bolster their reasons why they cannot migrate garage values over to unity.

 

Twisted as usual. I come to expect nothing less from the people making decisions at TO headquarters.

 

 

[ksa_enus 248]

Railgun m0 full MU cost: 62750 crystals

Railfun m1 cost: 31400 crystals

 

Railgun m1 full MU cost: 192000 crystals

Railgun m2 cost: 96100 crystals

 

Railgun m2 full MU cost: 436500 crystals

Railgun m3 cost: 218300 crystals

 

THE MU COST IS LITERALLY DOUBLE OF THE NEXT MODIFICATION!!!! SO IS IT WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!?

 

 

TANKI GIVES FREE M4S TO SOME AND LOOTS THE OTHERS. TANKI YOU ARE GONNA HAVE LESS PLAYERS FROM NOW ONWARDS. NICE WAY OF HIDING THE SERVER LOAD BY REMOVING THE GRAPH

These prices you got from the Wiki is wrong , for example I have smoky M1 in step 39  and the next step costs 5k but in the wiki it says it costs 12k which is wrong

[Hayagriva 107]

This upgrade has ruined any campaign or strategy appeal that Tanki still had.  The original Tanki had strategy, where you could plan how to upgrade, and had to carefully plan how to use your resources.  Then in-battle upgrading degraded that aspect of the game.  This upgrading all characteristics at the same time RUINS any chance to, as the panels say, "find your own playing style".  Tanki is now MUCH LESS APPEALING.  Please return to the separate micro-upgrading of individual capabilities.

 

Fewer choices for players is never an improvement.  I don't understand why anyone would think this is a good idea!

 

Strategy was clear from begining - make players adict, and pay to win.

 

[alotharian 8]

AMAZING!!!

I got firebird m2 for 0 crystals....!!! :o

That was soo cool!!

Firebird m2 "0" crystals.... :D

Thanks devs for the awsome update!! :)

You are happy now, but the enlightenment will come when you try to get M4 from M3.  :huh:

[ksa_enus 248]

I don't have any problem with this update, ( i am not a buyer) . The only thing that bothers me that its unfair now. But how?, Let me explain,

Take railgun for example, Those who mu'd it's reload or impact to max earlier they now have an m4. Not a problem, But now after the update let's say an m2 user wants to mu it to m3 he check the new wiki and spot's that now mu'ing his m2 to m3 with cost him the exact double amount of crystals. What will he do? Most probably buy the next modification and prefferably mu that one to m4 instead of spending double amount of crystals just to get it from m2 to m3. Hopw you understand what i mean.

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Those who don't want to read everything all I mean is why is mu price double of next modification?​

prices you just saw on the wiki are all wrong , my smoky M1 next step costs 5k but in the wiki it says it costs 12k which its wrong

[Hayagriva 107]

Stop buying cry and other things in tanki online then mayby they listen too the players ? and not only think on money ?

 

Yes... true...

And now a days, evey players who buy crystal, like tomek838 do not have all bonus what was guarantee in agreement. 2 other players after a time got robed founds. Even buyers are robed now a days.

 

It is not enough to buy crystal, you will get less than in agreement, and you have to ask, write, complain about the fact taht you were robed becouse your bussines is far far faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in back behind company bussines. But at the end of day, user bring money, and more far away, all one day die, and have to look, do my life was full of trix or I spend my time in a right nice way, I do not regread...

[Hayagriva 107]

You are happy now, but the enlightenment will come when you try to get M4 from M3.  :huh:

Ha ha HA ha HA... YES - the time will come. And even if he will buy some crystals, he still got a chance to not get all bonus from buying like tomek838 and other players. tomek838 still do not have all crystals... fwe other got it back...

[Hayagriva 107]

I'm happy that my arsenal is much improved, but at the same time I think this is a problem for game balance. Before, I could upgrade only the parameters that were important for me- damage on Shaft, reload speed on Thunder, etc. Now, you have to pay for the other steps too, which jacks up the price considerably. Things like rotation speed and critical chance aren't important, and being forced to pay for those on future micro upgrades isn't very economical. This means that you'll have to pay more to get the same improvement to useful parameters, which leaves non-buying players at a disadvantage.

 

We'll have to see how this plays out in the long run, but I suspect that Premium users will become considerably more powerful- 200% crystals means that they can sink more money into micro-upgrades, and a large number of them buy crystals anyway, so they can afford top notch equipment.

Player tomek838 and few other buy crystals by platnsci 24 and did not get yet all agree bonus purchase, it is rock and rob tactic even on buyers...

[CockneyLad 31]

I see the same names pop up on every update claiming that they hate the game and devs, build a bridge and get over it, or dont and leave.

[Hayagriva 107]

Yes, and they are the cheapest. I saved up to buy the Keeper kit for Smoky M1 and Titan M1. I bought Firebird M1 in a sale. As a non-buyer this is what I can do but I am doing quite okay in battles, at least I don't finish last.

 

Correction: my Hornet is still a M0, not M1. I made the mistake in the original post.

 

Respekt, thats a spirit.

 

[Hayagriva 107]

I see the same names pop up on every update claiming that they hate the game and devs, build a bridge and get over it, or dont and leave.

The best is listening own advice and follow it.

[Hayagriva 107]

M3s vs. m1s=chaos :P

 

Yes man, just wait for another chaos, when you will fight against m4 hahaha and mult and haker and draers, you will have a chaos than...

It is nice when you kil players with wooden swords, but it is not so nice when you got one of this swords against guns...

[Hayagriva 107]

complaints don't work, tanki devs will do what they want, my suggestion is find a new game to play, this update killed all my excitement in the game, I'm not going to spend 6 months of crystals just to micro upgrade sh1t i don't want.

 

For this kind of posts i got ban man. But what to say, even if you do not say it, "all see how horse is..."

 

[Hayagriva 107]

Everybody like the free upgrade, but you took away our choices. I don't like it. Nice bump today, but sad in the long run.

Free choice, free play game, free mind. All free. Now that ilusion is much more visible... clear....