Changes to micro-upgrades

[Leichte_Panzerjager 3]

Thank you Tanki, this is the best update ever. IT IS THE BEST !

 

With this update I don't see any reason to play this game anymore. You finally have made me to make up my mind to quit Tanki forever. Very welll done !

[stark147 18]

Nice Update Semyon :)

[applications 993]

Lets be realistic Mu's are not that much of a difference -_-

[Cor7y 13,862]

Lets be realistic Mu's are not that much of a difference -_-

In the first steps before this update, they could really make a difference. But now, sadly, they can't, cause of these money-suckers which staff members ALWAYS try to shield <_<

[applications 993]

In the first steps before this update, they could really make a difference. But now, sadly, they can't, cause of these money-suckers which staff members ALWAYS try to shield <_<

Im not a money sucker ._.

I dont even have a m4but railgun m3.8 (count?)

[ChoochTheMightyTrain 0]

Anyone know if it costs any more or any less to just by the next level of a turret or hull instead of MUing it all the way?

[Cor7y 13,862]

Im not a money sucker ._.

I dont even have a m4but railgun m3.8 (count?)

Devs are money-suckers .-.

 

Bruh, this update isn't fair to many people :

 

Oh, so someone who upgrades his turning speed of all his equipment gets a full M4, and a guy who has spent triple the price upgrading his damage/protection to 10/25 gets less ? #fairAnd what if you only want to upgrade certain aspects of your tank, huh, Mr.Pony ? Let's take that salary from you and then hear your opinion(s)

Edited November 16, 2015 by Cor7y

[J.G.S.D.F 73]

In short words:

• You can barely make it if you purchase everything at 25% discount - or spend about 100 EUR.
• On the most right you see the prices you have to pay _additionally_ to upgrade and M3 to an M4.

  You may notice how expensive they are.

• since last week there are more M4 around then ever.. .so enjoy the challenge ;)

 

So either:

• you forget about your dreams of a nice garage with short + mid + longrange and 2 hulls;
• Or spend a lot of money
• Or reach Generalissimo Rank and use your poor M3s to compete with the new M4s that have popped out those days
• Or forget a Players-garage and get a Work-Garage (means only XP + MammyTwins and play Polygon CP 8h a day to make your earnings; as Gizmo you can earn about 2..2,5k crystals p hour).

My dream has always been just one long/mid range and one short range, they are Smoky and Isida for me, respectively + Hornet and Viking. But now I even cannot afford one turret and one hull, if I want them to be upgraded to a preferable level, without putting lots of real money into the game. Don't tell me to catch 10 goldboxes a day or something like that, that would be ridiculous.

 

Even I play Polygon CP 8hr a day it won't help, because I will rank up but my equipment cannot catch up. If I leave my equpiment in low level upgrade, I may mostly finish in the last few positions in battles and earn less crystals. If I MU my equipment then I won't have enough crystals to buy new modifications when I reach the ranks.

 

Unless we put  real money  lots of real money into the game otherwise it is impossible to compete with buyers, especially big spenders. My Smoky and Viking (both M1) are almost fully MU after this update. I have enough crystals to make them full to reach the M2 standard but what is next? After I reach the ranks and acquire the M2s for free then what? I won't have enough crystals to do good MU; probably the max I can do is 10 or 15 out of 50. compare to buyers 50/50...what do you think? May be it is better even not doing any MU and save crystals for the next modification (M3). Then I will enter the loop: with no (or low) upgrade tank, I finish in low positions in most of the battles and earn less crystals but still rank up and cannot afford to buy M3 equipment.

 

This new MU system is actually telling us: pay or leave !

 

P.S. don't tell me something like : you can still play with M2 without MU in higher rank and you can buy M3 when you have earned enough crystals. If that works, theoretically we can reach Generalissimo with only the Smoky and Hunter initially given without doing any MU.

[swede1 1,726]

I guess the devs are right about one point, they state that the game is free to play, they say nothing about free to win.

That privilege is reserved for buyers.

[Rohrmeister 1,535]

My dream has always been just one long/mid range and one short range, they are Smoky and Isida for me, respectively + Hornet and Viking.

[....]

don't tell me something like : you can still play with M2 without MU in higher rank and you can buy M3 when you have earned enough crystals. If that works, theoretically we can reach Generalissimo with only the Smoky and Hunter initially given without doing any MU.

 

The usual strategy is was:

 

 

• learn from the forum when the usual sales happened in the past. Dont expet discounts in the same height, but at least something is better then nothing. Plan ahead if Kits are usefull for you (forum has a list of kits).
• get no MUs at all, from M0 up to inclusively M2. Don't bother for MUs until you have M3s.
• never, never, never MU minor paints!
• Don't purchase low end paints. For paints I always think like "how many seconds more do I survive under fire, and would this give me the chance to place another shot and survive?". There is also a thread in the forum that helps in economic paint decisions (I have no link, but I read it once).

  I played almost all my carrer with black paint or forrester (on hornet or wasp). I purchased decent paints late. This may be a way that only works with rail due to the distance that I can keep.

   

• Pick battles where as few as possible opponents outclass you by equipment and skills (look ranks).
• Also - before you enter a battle - learn to read from the scoreboard if there are druggers.
• If you have some friends that perform great, play with them often in order to be on the winning team.

   

• So basically save crystals and and choose your battles wisely.. it is better to spend one minute thinking about which battle to join then to waste 15 minutes and loose and get nothing.

 

 

 

Also watch your average score development with smokey and Isi per hour (meassure over some days). I think you should be able to score higher with Isi - and so get a higher share of the fund.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Rohrmeister

[shafter1136 1]

Here is an interesting point that I think has gone unnoticed. Reading the posts, you will see that the vast majority of posters are very high ranks complaining about their M3 -M4 woes. Very few lower ranked tankers complained; most like the new upgrade system. This leads me to believe that the players most affected have been the Gssmos and such, and that the whole topic is of very little importance to those in lower ranks such as me.

 

In conclusion: too bad for the Gssmos, the rest of us don't really care.

[J.G.S.D.F 73]

 

Also watch your average score development with smokey and Isi per hour (meassure over some days). I think you should be able to score higher with Isi - and so get a higher share of the fund.

Yes, I know. Thanks. It is because I just got the M2 and it is okay for this moment. I don't think I can do well without MU it in the future when I rank up. I will find it out soon, hopefully before I stop playing.

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Lets put it this way. THE REAL REASON DEVELOPERS REMOVED THE DOWNVOTE BUTTION WAS CAUSE OF THIS UPDATE THEY KNEW EVERYONE WOULD HATE IT AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA TAKE A (censored) LOAD OF CRITICISM. SERIOUSLY EVER HEAR OF

CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICSM? DEAL WITH IT DEVS NO ONE LIKES UR (EXTREMELY CENSORED) UPDATES. IF THEY HADN'T REMOVED IT I WOULD MAKE A BET THAT THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST 5.000 DOWNVOTES TAKE BACK UR (censored) "UPDATES" AND BRING BACK WHAT WE PLAYERS WANT :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

 

Semyon Kirov if u dare qoute me u will be sorry :angry:

 

[sunhawk 93]

Here is an interesting point that I think has gone unnoticed. Reading the posts, you will see that the vast majority of posters are very high ranks complaining about their M3 -M4 woes. Very few lower ranked tankers complained; most like the new upgrade system. This leads me to believe that the players most affected have been the Gssmos and such, and that the whole topic is of very little importance to those in lower ranks such as me.

 

In conclusion: too bad for the Gssmos, the rest of us don't really care.

I care--immensely. And you've missed the point COMPLETELY that these high rankers are making, They are saying that even if a player benefited in the short term from the free upgrades, anybody who still has micro-upgrading to do--maybe when you buy the next M turret or hull--is screwed. Being forced to buy all MUs as a package deal makes them way too expensive (and for so little benefit!) to purchase only with earned crystals. One will have to buy with real money or be unable to compete.

 

Also, a huge part of the appeal of this game is planning out how you will develop your tank and spend your crystals to suit your preferences and play-style. Purchasing only the MUs you think important. It is impossible that the devs don't realize this, and insulting that they dumbed it down to benefit their financial bottom line and called it 'more intuitive'.

 

Why don't you read the last ten or so pages of this thread again?

[J.G.S.D.F 73]

 

Also watch your average score development with smokey and Isi per hour (meassure over some days). I think you should be able to score higher with Isi - and so get a higher share of the fund.

 

Yes, I know. Thanks. It is because I just got the M2 and it is okay for this moment. I don't think I can do well without MU it in the future when I rank up. I will find it out soon, hopefully before I stop playing.

 

I can't believe it is so soon. I  have just found it out hour ago. I have met some players, luckily, with their M1/M2 equipment fully upgraded due to this latest update. I was beaten badly without any chance. These players even barely know how to rotate their turrets. I can see what my days in tanki in the future, which I don't want to see, if I am still staying here.

 

It is enough. I am out.

[tanker.Spanker 0]

This new 'micro' upgrade is supposed to be a 'simplification'. Wut??! If the previous MU scheme is not simple enough, then I must be a genius to be able to work it out even when I was a noob. C'mon! You just removed a great tactical element in TO! TO is not just about shooting and dodging. It's also about managing your crystal economy by MUing smartly. This new MU is just dumbing down TO! Bring back the previous MU, please!

jashburn, you hit the nail on the head. That Tanki Online would not want to preserve/improve the TACTICAL aspects of the game is beyond me.

[tanker.Spanker 0]

Is this the road to self destroying ? maybe yes, maybe no. Decision is yours dear tanki.... I am so curious..

For now, i'm watching the number of online players.

Please FIX this Tanki. Gameplay and realistic physics are not enough. Bring back the intelligemce. You made an intelligent game which attracted intelligent players. Then you go and treat everyone like simpletons. Fix it.

[tanker.Spanker 0]

Exactly. I'm no newbie. I have been around for almost 3 years and I have taken advantage of every sale possible to get my garage where it is today as cost effectively as possible, ie, complete m4 with lots of the top paints, most fully upgraded. Even I struggle and rage quit every now and again. I have lots of supplies and I use them to get the team I'm on ahead. It's tough out there even for me and I can usually adapt!

 

Because I don't drink, don't smoke, don't gamble and I'm single, daughter now finished school and making her own way in life, with no mortgage or rent to pay, I can afford to waste part of my wages on this game (this is the only game I've ever spent money on in my life). I do realise how hard it is for non-buyers and I have tried to make suggestions in the forum to make it easier for those who are not as stupid as me.

 

But there are several planes of existence in tanki that everyone should be aware of. There is the regular one where lots of us don't cheat whatsoever and live out regular career, then there are those who drug more than half the time, then there are those who mindlessly drug all the time, then there are those m4 teams who play together, then there are those m4 teams that communicate, then there are those who do all that and use lag cheats so you can't stop them from waltzing in and taking the flag, and on top of all of that, they place mults on your side. They then laugh at you when you lose, which, let me tell you, isn't a happy feeling.

 

So if you play on your own and you're not lucky enough to have spare money you can flush down the drain on tanki then you're pretty much screwed at level 30.

 

Poetic

[tanker.Spanker 0]

I care--immensely. And you've missed the point COMPLETELY that these high rankers are making, They are saying that even if a player benefited in the short term from the free upgrades, anybody who still has micro-upgrading to do--maybe when you buy the next M turret or hull--is screwed. Being forced to buy all MUs as a package deal makes them way too expensive (and for so little benefit!) to purchase only with earned crystals. One will have to buy with real money or be unable to compete.

 

Also, a huge part of the appeal of this game is planning out how you will develop your tank and spend your crystals to suit your preferences and play-style. Purchasing only the MUs you think important. It is impossible that the devs don't realize this, and insulting that they dumbed it down to benefit their financial bottom line and called it 'more intuitive'.

 

Why don't you read the last ten or so pages of this thread again?

Impossible that the devs don't realize this, and insulting that they dumbed it down ON PURPOSE. This was an ambush

[r_highroller0 0]

Nice improvement to the system of micro upgrades, I hope to see more things in the game updated like this in the future.

[spikethedog 0]

nvm

Edited November 17, 2015 by spikethedog

[lrjcarr 26]

No matter how much this update is disliked it won't be changed, Because TO dev's won't admit they made a mistake.

 

 If you want to make a difference the simple solution is find a new game, hit tanki where it hurts and stop playing. unfortunately we are all sheep so the chances of that happening are slim to none.

 

fingers crossed TO don't keep $#@%ing this game up with pathetic updates in the future, but that also has the chance of slim to none because these dev's don't have a clue.

[Captain_Canuck 49]

I guess the devs are right about one point, they state that the game is free to play, they say nothing about free to win.

That privilege is reserved for buyers.

Or hackers or saboteurs/mults.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Captain_Canuck

[Captain_Canuck 49]

Exactly. I'm no newbie. I have been around for almost 3 years and I have taken advantage of every sale possible to get my garage where it is today as cost effectively as possible, ie, complete m4 with lots of the top paints, most fully upgraded. Even I struggle and rage quit every now and again. I have lots of supplies and I use them to get the team I'm on ahead. It's tough out there even for me and I can usually adapt!

 

Because I don't drink, don't smoke, don't gamble and I'm single, daughter now finished school and making her own way in life, with no mortgage or rent to pay, I can afford to waste part of my wages on this game (this is the only game I've ever spent money on in my life). I do realise how hard it is for non-buyers and I have tried to make suggestions in the forum to make it easier for those who are not as stupid as me.

 

But there are several planes of existence in tanki that everyone should be aware of. There is the regular one where lots of us don't cheat whatsoever and live out regular career, then there are those who drug more than half the time, then there are those who mindlessly drug all the time, then there are those m4 teams who play together, then there are those m4 teams that communicate, then there are those who do all that and use lag cheats so you can't stop them from waltzing in and taking the flag, and on top of all of that, they place mults on your side. They then laugh at you when you lose, which, let me tell you, isn't a happy feeling.

 

So if you play on your own and you're not lucky enough to have spare money you can flush down the drain on tanki then you're pretty much screwed at level 30.

 

 

AbsoluteZero,

I was going to complain about your anti-drugging post UNTIL I read the part of it that I have since enlarged and bolded and coloured.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has noticed this and become frustrated by both modes of cheating (hacking and sabotaging/multing)...

[Captain_Canuck 49]

Here is an interesting point that I think has gone unnoticed. Reading the posts, you will see that the vast majority of posters are very high ranks complaining about their M3 -M4 woes. Very few lower ranked tankers complained; most like the new upgrade system. This leads me to believe that the players most affected have been the Gssmos and such, and that the whole topic is of very little importance to those in lower ranks such as me.

 

In conclusion: too bad for the Gssmos, the rest of us don't really care.

And/or most lower ranked players don't bother to even look at any part of the forums.

I know I didn't for my first about 9 months...