[Issue 5] The Real Problem With supplies (TWG)

[Quarks 2,255]

The debate over supplies has been raging since almost the beginning of tanki. To use, to not use, or how much to use. The debate has reached a pinnacle as of right now. The topics on removing drugs is still hot, Night_Sisters article on supplies caused a large debate, and Stratus’  article on the dumbest anti supply arguments is even under administrator watch. The arguments come in faster and each higher than before, from going up multiple “M stages”, invincibility, the overuse has made them to common and that it ruins gameplay. The problem I think is in not the power of the supply, but in the people.

 

I would first like to say that I have a lot of respect for all of the people who play without supplies, you are better than me. However, you people are a cause of the over powerment of supplies. Many of you emphatically pronounce that you have never drugged, good, you are no longer a pot head. You also say that in game, so off you haven’t EVER used them. You probably also skip super missions that offer supplies, I would think. That is contributing to the overpowered idea of supplies.

 

However gallant you may think you are in saying I will never “drug” or go to the extreme and never pick up a supply, they have just made the supply more powerful. By not using supplies in battle, you have made someone who does twice as powerful against you.These players are able to make supplies much more powerful than they were intended to be. If everyone were to drug, then supplies would cancel each other out. So by not using supplies, the supply user has full power over them. Hence by deciding not using supplies, you make them overpowered. So any complaints about making them overpowered and boycotting them is simply making them stronger.

 

To be in a constant use of supplies simply aggravates everyone to only kill destroy the drugger. It is a bad habit, and usually only creates a heated debate in the chat, which does nobody any good. Somebody usually gets banned when this happens, and it is funny. Ergo, this can lead to what people mainly associate with "druggers", a lack of skill, and that does happen. But other peoples have the necessary skills, they would be average players, lost in the sea of other good players. They turn into the best player because they use supplies, okay, deal with it. It is annoying, but think about it, many of those funds go to supply finances, making them earn the same amount of crystals, if not less, due to the usage. Yes, missions give free supplies, but those run out quickly if you do not ration them. So while druggers aggravate everyone, they also do lose a lot, both in skills and cry, by continuing to do so, conversely, that is their choice, and I know a few people who are nubs without supplies, like , and people who are very skilled who use supplies.

 

Finally, the whole point of supplies are a temporary boost, not even one minute. True, carnage can happen in that minute, but then it is over, and they have to wait for smart supplies. It is temporary, not permanent. So while supplies can be hard to deal with, it is only temporary. The boost will be gone, and they just lost crystals for that. So while supplies can be a pain, they are only made worse by the refusal to use them, thus making the supply more effective versus the non supply user, which only makes them more adamant, and so the vicious cycle continues.

 

 

[r_L-E-O-P-A-R-D-2003 657]

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[Quarks 2,255]

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Ok, thank you for your insightful and constructive feedback, I feel my skills and editing capabilities rising through the roof due to your fantastically in depth, through, and thought provoking comment.

[canadian_tank 226]

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[Agent101us 310]

<_< I agree

[qinwan9 125]

Boring...  just read first 2 lines then it start making me bore

[BSG-62 512]

Fascinating. The smart cooldowns go by pretty quick though.

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

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Boring...  just read first 2 lines then it start making me bore

 

Why the hate. It's funny, both of you comment but aren't even near the capabilities of BTR. Qinwan made a mistake in a 10 word reply and Leopard's English is also not great. At least BTR is actually writing an Article which is pretty decent. Sure, this isn't one of his best Articles but I enjoyed reading it twice. It was a good Article. Short and sweet. I don't mean to start a fight but there's no need to hate without a reason. At least he put some effort into writing the Article. Good Job, BTR.

Look at some of those words used in there, written in fantastic English, the only problem, is probably the lack of colour, which makes it a little displeasing to the eye.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Marc

[dilsharox 2,395]

Nice

[doseeve 8]

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[KillerGnat 3,135]

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Translation: I disagree with you, therefore, your writing skills are bad.

 

 

Edit: I mean no disrespect when I say that.

Edited January 13, 2016 by KillerGnat

[Agent101us 310]

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Look, you already got your "disrespectful" medal and "I'm gona post a negative 1" medal <_<

Earn your +1 medal

[sonofchrysalis3 3,719]

Dude, how did I... ugh, how did I not think of this? Point ridiculously well made.

 

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Edited January 13, 2016 by sonofchrysalis3

[Flexoo 6,980]

Hmm I do not fully agree or disagree.  As a free user at some point there is almost no use for me to join normal battles with supplies on. I will soon be gizmo rank and I could buy the 1500 supplies kit, yet I still won´t be fully competitive against all the other players on that rank. If I will buy that kit (it ain´t much somewhere around 105k I think) I will most likely have to sacrifice MUs and variety in garage. So if I will run into someone who has over 5k drugs full MUs and variety (buyer as example) I will still have big problems defeating him and I fear I will burn away most of my kit supplies by meaningless never ending fight against other supply kit users. Also it is not about I would not use supplies against other supply users or leave them drops, but there is some limit, if I, as a free user, will have like 100 of each I cant stay holding back a monster with 5k of each for long. SCD made the situation better, but I think supplies still offer  too much power.

 

Though , I agree with you that the problem is also in players, more people should come to pro battles, especially if they don´t want to play against extensive supply users, pro pass offers sucha great range of options for free users, they could play with any combo and without supplies, but somehow I feel they consider pro pass a only-good-for-XP/BP thing and many of these "whiny" free users are trying for miracles in supply battles.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Flexoo

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

What some people don't realise is that if 2 people are fighting, fully drugged (discluding Repairs), it's a completely even game. One person's DD will cancel out the other's DA and vice versa, hence resulting in both of them only having a speed boost. The repair also keeps it fair due to cooldowns, they'll only be repairing. This results in the person who repaired last (probably the on who also played better) having a good chance of killing the other person. Just saying ...

[lukey0 27,543]

I agree with this, yet, lets bring back 234. Those were honestly the best day in TO. This SCD has completely ruined the game IMO. Yes druggers were annoying, but you only saw them mainly in raids.

 

Next, these supply complainers, what damn battles do they play? "Every battle I join, the enemy drugs non-stop, I'm sick of it" Every battle.... What server it that they play on? Every battle....  C'mon, every battle, a lot over exaggerated? I'm a Gen, and lucky to be 30% of the battle I join would be full drug. Heck, in the other 70% I join, I drug and no one drugs back. Not even my team. The only "drug battles" I see are raids, but who often are they? I rarely see a 100 flag battle now days.

 

What do I say? Suck it up, life not easy nor fair. Some one always be better/more powerful than you. That's just life. Just man-up and take it on the shoulder. Crying will get you no-where in life.

[I.WalkAlone 548]

I disagree with your logic. Going by it, one could also argue that it's the fault of victims of terrorist attacks as they were the ones who gave the terrorists power by not wearing bulletproof vests or using weapons. I know it's an extreme example, but it does show that the logic is flawed.

And before any smart-aleck says that I'm crying just because I don't have supplies,etc; here is my supply count:

What some people don't realise is that if 2 people are fighting, fully drugged (discluding Repairs), it's a completely even game. One person's DD will cancel out the other's DA and vice versa, hence resulting in both of them only having a speed boost. The repair also keeps it fair due to cooldowns, they'll only be repairing. This results in the person who repaired last (probably the on who also played better) having a good chance of killing the other person. Just saying ...

Nope, it's definitely not an even game. Mainly due to the repair kit. If you've got a smoky against a firebird, even if both use the repair kit at the same time, the smoky will win. Why? Because the firebird will be recharging the energy after exhausting it and in the mean time, the smoky would've already destroyed the firebird. Projectile weapons have an advantage if everyone uses supplies.

[Rayyan 3,415]

"the overuse has made them to common and that it ruins gameplay."

 

You exaggerated a lil bit here, it doesn't ruins game play. It makes it more intense.

 

By the way good article BTRB, keep it up

 

 

3 stars for you.

 

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

I disagree with your logic. Going by it, one could also argue that it's the fault of victims of terrorist attacks as they were the ones who gave the terrorists power by not wearing bulletproof vests or using weapons. I know it's an extreme example, but it does show that the logic is flawed.

And before any smart-aleck says that I'm crying just because I don't have supplies,etc; here is my supply count:

 

Nope, it's definitely not an even game. Mainly due to the repair kit. If you've got a smoky against a firebird, even if both use the repair kit at the same time, the smoky will win. Why? Because the firebird will be recharging the energy after exhausting it and in the mean time, the smoky would've already destroyed the firebird. Projectile weapons have an advantage if everyone uses supplies.

True. That was under the assumption that both people were using the same combo/paint, sorry, I should've made that more clear!

[Cor7y 13,862]

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Boring...  just read first 2 lines then it start making me bore

Mind reading this article word for word and THEN giving your opinions?

[Quarks 2,255]

Dude, how did I... ugh, how did I not think of this? Point ridiculously well made.

 

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I was tempted to say something about the comparative intelligence between horses and humans, but I decided against it. Thank you for your feedback, I admittedly took a lot of inspiration from your initial ideas on supply use, but decided to look more at one part, than the whole discussion.

 

The whole point of this article, and the one on buyers, is not just simply making a point. It is personal help, to help with school. With story writing and persuasive essays, so yeah, that is where these articles come from.

[Quarks 2,255]

Boring...  just read first 2 lines then it start making me bore

This is not meant to be a low quality attempt at humor, this is meant to be though provoking, so yeah, it is fine that you got bored, but there is no point in posting this.

[r_snowleopard0512030 66]

I agree with this, yet, lets bring back 234. Those were honestly the best day in TO. This SCD has completely ruined the game IMO. Yes druggers were annoying, but you only saw them mainly in raids.

 

Next, these supply complainers, what damn battles do they play? "Every battle I join, the enemy drugs non-stop, I'm sick of it" Every battle.... What server it that they play on? Every battle....  C'mon, every battle, a lot over exaggerated? I'm a Gen, and lucky to be 30% of the battle I join would be full drug. Heck, in the other 70% I join, I drug and no one drugs back. Not even my team. The only "drug battles" I see are raids, but who often are they? I rarely see a 100 flag battle now days.

 

What do I say? Suck it up, life not easy nor fair. Some one always be better/more powerful than you. That's just life. Just man-up and take it on the shoulder. Crying will get you no-where in life.

Good advice:suck it up. However much we argue, I really don't think there's much chance of anything changing. There are maximum 5 druggers in each normal battle, and like lukey said, raids aren't that often. If it still bothers you that one person can dominate the field, then start drugging yourself, but don't hurl a load of abuse at other people. 

 

At the same time, it isn't really mature to start pointing names at people.

[slycleaversmart 1,154]

The debate over supplies has been raging since almost the beginning of tanki. To use, to not use, or how much to use. The debate has reached a pinnacle as of right now. The topics on removing drugs is still hot, Night_Sisters article on supplies caused a large debate, and Stratus’  article on the dumbest anti supply arguments is even under administrator watch. The arguments come in faster and each higher than before, from going up multiple “M stages”, invincibility, the overuse has made them to common and that it ruins gameplay. The problem I think is in not the power of the supply, but in the people.

 

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LOVE IT!

Edited January 13, 2016 by slycleaversmart

[Quarks 2,255]

LOVE IT!

Well, thank you, but I feel as if you said that because you are my clan leader...

 

 

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