[Request] Exact numbers + in-depth analysis of Freeze & Firebird

[r_AdvocatusDiaboli0 861]

 

 

Which entries on the left, influence the entries on the right - and how?
(a minus "-" means, the parameter is not affected)

                        | normal damage | temp     | heating rate | burning damage | 
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attackers Double Power  |     *2        |     -    |     ??       |        -       |
defenders Double Armor  |     *0,5      |     -    |     ??       |      *0,5      |
defenders Health Box    |  neutralized  | set to 0 |   paused     |  neutralized   |
defenders Paint         |   reduced     |     -    |   reduced    |    reduced     |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I figured it's probably done by the same percentage, there wouldn't really be a point to do it any other way... then again, it'd be really nice to know :P

Edited January 29, 2016 by r_AdvocatusDiaboli0

[CockneyLad 31]

Am i the only one who gets a smile when they see a dev replying to a random topic?

Keep up the good work Advocatus and blackwasp

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I figured it's probably done by the same percentage, there wouldn't really be a point to do it any other way... then again, it'd be really nice to know :P

I hope the heating rate is not affected by double Armour.. as then it would reduce the heating AND the burning damage.. which would be.. well.. _strong_ :)

I'm pretty sure the paint reduces the heating rate. Reason is, that I have the feeling that a tank protected from freeze, does take longer to "slow down". So the same logic for fire would make sense.

About DD.. I have no idea :)

Edited January 29, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[falcosenna1 8,320]

I don't know if this is of any help. :P

I remember I made a post about Firebird a long time ago, so I'll share it with you. It might be helpful. If not, I at least know it's not helpful. :p

 

I'm sorry. There was a little misunderstanding. There's no degradation at m3. 

"Firebird m1 cannot get a maximum burning damage of 30 since the damage is limited by the temperature. This temperature is changing from 0 to 1 and the burning damage is changing from 1 to 30 with linear dependence between them." 

~

 

So I quickly made this little chart.

 

So we've got the function: y=30x (x=temperature and y=burning damage)

 

Let's take a look at Firebird m1 with a maximum temperature of 0.29.

y=30x0.29 so Firebird m1 has a maximum burning damage of 8.7. 

The temperature limits can be found on Wiki.

Edited January 30, 2016 by falcosenna1

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I don't know if this is of any help. :P

I remember I made a post about Firebird a long time ago, so I'll share it with you. It might be helpful. If not, I at least know it's not helpful. :P

I remember this post as well - thanks for the help :)

 

As learned from Hazel in this discussion here, the burning damage (per second) is not

   y=30*x

but it is

   y=29*x+1

   If (x==0) Then y := 0

 

Those functions were incorporated already.

 

 

Maybe we should make the DPS charts for Fire M0..M4.. so the players have an orriantation. But I guess the "talk about firebird" thread would be more suitable for that.

Edited January 30, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

This depends on the player. If the player wants to go all out, they choose firebird. If the player is more tactical, they choose freeze. 

 

Firebird:

- Someone who believes in brute force

- They only want to take down their opponent, even if they get destroyed in the process. 

- They want an easy to use turret

- They want a powerful end modification(m2 and m3)

- They want to be devestating with double power

 

Freeze:

- Someone who believes that strategy is the key to victory

- Someone who tries basing their power on the target's skill. 

- Someone who wants to annoy the target and make the very slow

- Someone who doesn't care what position they play in the field besides sniper

- Someone who needs to be all around in usage of supplies

[Amagi 1,728]

I've been to a few Gismo battles lately, and I've seen M4 Freeze-Wasps dominate! Truly deadly in the right hands.

[falcosenna1 8,320]

   y=29*x+1

   If (x==0) Then y := 0

That's weird. With that function, if the temperature is 0, you'd still suffer from 1 damage per second. 

[greyat 2,972]

^Notice the second part of the function: if x==0 evaluates to true, y is mapped to 0.

[falcosenna1 8,320]

^Notice the second part of the function: if x==0 evaluates to true, y is mapped to 0.

Sorry, was thinking too mathematically. :p