DPM turret rating. Which gun is the best?!

[Panelak1947 11]

Hi. I just want to post my "researches". I wanted to know which guns make more damage and when. So here are my results:

 

Damage per minute(DPM) is a term used with computer games to describe the average rate of damage inflicted over time. It better indicates which gun is more powerful especially in drug battles when enemies don't want to die from one shot:

 

This characteristic shows which gun is more valuable when it's fully microupgraded. Guns with low percentage receive the lowest DPM growth so u can just skip all MUs and buy something else, that's enough good without any MUs. For instance twins on all grades don't really need MUs.

 

DPM distribution in 60 seconds. 

 

DPM distribution in 11 seconds. This shows which weapon is better at particular time.

 

I hope it will help someone to make useful conclusions for yourself.

 

 

Improtant Statements:

 

0) I don't consider any particular cases. There are 7 hulls 11 guns and about 20 useful paints and so we have 7x11x20=1540 and redouble it for the second enemy's tank and it equals 3080 particular cases. I can't review all of them and it would be pointless thing to do. Btw i don't even include all possible variations of microupgrades for gun, hull and paint for both tanks. It would give more 50x50x20 variations. On the contrary my goal is to make a generalization of damage mechanics. 

 

1) Calculations are based on normal damage distribution. It means that average damage is much more often than minimal and maximal damage. Ask devs for exact values of expected value and standart deviation, if u're interested.

 

2) DPM is an instrument for assessing maximal potential firepower of the gun. It doesn't include your skills, choosen map, effective range, guns' special abilities, paints, your cat's mood etc. All these aspects u have to know and consider when u're intrested to deal as much damage to enemies as possible. I assume that the player knows the game mechanics and know how to optimize his gun damage.

 

3) DPM rating shows only DPM rating. It doesn't show what gun is the best in the game. Most of guns in the game except shaft and rico are Pareto optimal. It means that one gun can't be fully dominated by any other gun. Shaft characteristics is dominated by railgun (Rail does more Damage, has better mobility), Rico is dominated by Twins (All characteristics are almost equal, DPM is 4 times higher). 

 

4) Calculations don't care if it seems to you a bit off or you agree or disagree with it or whatever u feel about it. Math operates with numbers, facts, arguments not with your emotions, feelings, superstitions, accidental not systematic personal experience. It's objective (defenition of the word: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.)

 

5) DPM represent 2 things:

1. Your chances to win on a close combat 1v1  

2. Gun's potential effectivness in mass drug battles, cause there is constant and high amount of damage win the game. 

If u kill enemy with m1 hornet and twins with 3 shots of your Double Damaged Rico it doesn't mean that rico is stronger than twins. This is unequal conditions. In drug fights players often have equal skills and equal fully microupgraded garage and they're equally using all their drugs, so drug battles are very close to battle with equal conditions. That's why chances to win in this case higly correlate to your team ability to deal more damage than enemie's team. That's why both teams want to use guns with high DPM. Shaft, rico are not fit to it, railgun is barely fit, it's not often when u hit couple enemies on the line, rail just deals not enough damage.

 

6) If u don't agree with my DPM rating nor calculations then find mistakes in my calculations or proove it with your version of calculations. That's the only way to convince me. Verbal speculations in your head without any systematic practical and mathematical rationale are not valid arguments. 

 

Rough copy: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u3A-Qb5L07AFN1pA8i2sqkz46GhnoM9Ttsp2dmCJ29c/edit?usp=sharing

Edited February 9, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Contradiction 1,242]

Those are interesting graphs and it is nice that you had the effort to create them.

However, I don't believe that you did your mathematics correctly- I have done my own research into turret DPMs, and I definitely disagree with your calculations. 

Are you using the average damage from each turret, or the minimum/maximum?

 

For example, according to my math, 

 

Damage per Minute of M3 Ricochet: 1861.5

Damage per Minute of M3 Railgun:  1,356.1

Edited February 4, 2016 by Contradiction

[Rayyan 3,415]

Thunder is awesome.

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

These statistics are useless when considering what turret to buy. The turrets with highest damage per minute are the ones with the fastest reload, e.g. Twins and Smoky. But that doesn't mean (for example), Twins is always better than Rico.

[Amateur 829]

These statistics are useless when considering what turret to buy. The turrets with highest damage per minute are the ones with the fastest reload, e.g. Twins and Smoky. But that doesn't mean (for example), Twins is always better than Rico.

IKR. Playing style

[Panelak1947 11]

Those are interesting graphs and it is nice that you had the effort to create them.

However, I don't believe that you did your mathematics correctly- I have done my own research into turret DPMs, and I definitely disagree with your calculations. 

Are you using the average damage from each turret, or the minimum/maximum?

 

Average DMG, cause most of guns have normal damage distribution. Why don't u show your calculations. I can put my rough copies if u want.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Panelak1947

[NewbieCake 3,067]

I disagree, Rico seems fairly low on the list, and I'm pretty sure its DPM is definitely higher than that of Railgun and Thunder.

[Rico_Viking_9000 942]

I disagree, Rico seems fairly low on the list, and I'm pretty sure its DPM is definitely higher than that of Railgun and Thunder.

Agreed.

[greyat 2,972]

I disagree, Rico seems fairly low on the list, and I'm pretty sure its DPM is definitely higher than that of Railgun and Thunder.

Could be because of high burst damage, but need to reload?

[Panelak1947 11]

These statistics are useless when considering what turret to buy. 

I don't agree with that and i don't want to explain why, cause u're pretty categorical in your statements. You are likely to write first and only then think, why should i do detailed answer. 

 

The turrets with highest damage per minute are the ones with the fastest reload, e.g. Twins and Smoky. 

Ricochet has one of the fastest reload between shots and so what. Vulcan doesn't even have reload, it's just a stream of damage.

 

But that doesn't mean (for example), Twins is always better than Rico. 

Guns are very similar in range, animation, but twins do 4 times more damage, ricochet ability to bounce is useless. Twins will win almost all fights agains rico in the equal conditions. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

I disagree, Rico seems fairly low on the list, and I'm pretty sure its DPM is definitely higher than that of Railgun and Thunder.

Numbers don't lie. They just represent facts and don't depend on subjective thinking particulary on your agreement or disagreement.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Panelak1947

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

I don't agree with that and i don't want to explain why, cause u're pretty categorical in your statements. You are likely to write first and only then think, why should i do detailed answer. 

 

The turrets with highest damage per minute are the ones with the fastest reload, e.g. Twins and Smoky. 

Ricochet has one of the fastest reload between shots and so what. Vulcan don't even has reload, it's just a stream of damage.

 

But that doesn't mean (for example), Twins is always better than Rico. 

Guns are very similar in range, animation, but twins do 4 times more damage, ricochet ability to bounce is useless. Twins will win almost all fights agains rico in the same conditions. 

 

Numbers don't lie. They just represent facts and don't depend on subjective thinking particulary on your agreement or disagreement.

According to your logic, a school bus with 300 horsepower is better than a 155 horsepower Mazda3

 

I would write more and argue with you, but that's a waste of time. Your understanding is flawed.

[Panelak1947 11]

According to your logic, a school bus with 300 horsepower is better than a 155 horsepower Mazda3

 

No it's your understanding. Don't attribute your wrong syllogism to me. Your analogy is unapropriate. 

 

 

I would write more and argue with you, but that's a waste of time.

Look at your message counter. Wasting of time is your vocation.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Benefactor 6,888]

Looks like this should be taken to the Duel map. :)

[applications 993]

Now now now, these charts are inaccurate and are not letting the turrets use their abilitys

For firebird you could be hitting 3 people at a time or more

freeze can hit 3 or more

Railgun can hit any number

Shaft can hit 5+ (it has little penetration)

Takeing all that in effect Id say

 

Firebird

Thunder

Freeze

as top 3

[Panelak1947 11]

Now now now, these charts are inaccurate and are not letting the turrets use their abilitys

For firebird you could be hitting 3 people at a time or more

freeze can hit 3 or more

Railgun can hit any number

Shaft can hit 5+ (it has little penetration)

Takeing all that in effect Id say

 

Firebird

Thunder

Freeze

as top 3

Railgun can kill 39 people with one shot on Dusseldforf then railgun is the best gun ever. These are Particular cases, i've written about it above. But u want so much to write something about anything that u're in a big hurry to read properly. Because there are so many topics out there where u must write your ignorant opinion.

Edited February 4, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Rico_Viking_9000 942]

Also, twins' fire rate doesn't increase as the modifications improve. RIcochet does, however.

[applications 993]

Railgun can kill 39 people with one shot on Dusseldforf then railgun is the best gun ever. These are Particular cases, i've written about it above. But u want so much to write something about anything that u're in a big hurry to read properly. Because there are so many topics out there where u must write your ignorant opinion.

Can you read your own topic properly? You clearly said Damage per Minute, you have to take into effect every single little thing to get it right

Side by side Firebird can hit about 5-7 tanks, with decreasing damage it will probably only be doing 4x the amount of total damage rather than if it were up front. Twins has one of the lowest DPS, so is vulcan- but the only reason why people say its so good is because they are always just focused on 1 player at a time

[Jwimmer 2,835]

Read the first sentence, saw the typos and grammatical errors, and stopped reading. If you want to make your "researches" legit, make sure you can spell first

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

Read the first sentence, saw the typos and grammatical errors, and stopped reading. If you want to make your "researches" legit, make sure you can spell first

is your name Jwimmer or savage

[Jwimmer 2,835]

is your name Jwimmer or savage

Thats my Tankix name- Jsavage

[dilsharox 2,395]

you did a good job analysing all the turrets but im not sure if your calculations are correct

[Panelak1947 11]

Also, twins' fire rate doesn't increase as the modifications improve. RIcochet does, however.

I counted ricochet reload time on each grade. It's one of the most annoying gun to calculate its damage. And FYI ricochet reload time between shots doesn't influence to amount of damage of ricochet at all. But i think u're too lazy and tonto to check it yourself.

Edited February 4, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

Twins has one of the lowest DPS

You're arguing only with your emotions, maybe u check the numbers first. Until then i don't reply you no more, u're lazy forum graphomaniac.

Edited February 5, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

Read the first sentence, saw the typos and grammatical errors, and stopped reading. If you want to make your "researches" legit, make sure you can spell first

Does my grammars somehow affect to realness. If i wrote that "the Sun is blue" would it mean that it's the truth only because i spelled it write. On the other hand if I spelled that "the earth have sferick sheip"  it wouldn't be true because i spelled it wrong. It'd be nice if u pointed my mistakes. I hardly doubt if I asked you couple question about english grammar u would be able to answer me. Do u want a little english grammar quiz, it would be shame not to answer those questions.

And Heil Spellcheck btw  :lol:

 

 

Edited February 5, 2016 by Panelak1947