DPM turret rating. Which gun is the best?!

[Panelak1947 11]

"Saying Twins is strong just because of its DPM isn't very true"

Actually it strong exactly because of his highest DPM. Twins don't have any other pluses.

 

"At M3, Rico matches the firepower of Twins, "

Matching process happens only in your head and it doesn't have any connection to reality at all. Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions. I've already written that. I have both twins and rico. Check it yourself practically, try 1 v 1 island map drugs on pants paints off.  I can actually play against your m4 account with my m1 twins. 

 

"some of your arguments are flawed" "but saying "Twins is the best gun because of DPM" is very narrow minded"

Show me where did i say that the twins is the best gun. You're trying to attribute your statements to me again. And after that u're saying that my arguments are flawed and i'm narrow minded while u can't even understand what the thesis of the disput.

 

"I use that thread all the time to help others..."

Jack Kevorkian also liked to give advices to their pacients. Even the fact that he's doctor doesn't make him right. I don't know how noobie consulting is bounded with my DPM tables. DPM rating shows only DPM rating. If twins is on the top of DPM rating it means that it has the highest DPM. It doesn't mean that twins is the best gun ever. It's simple. 

Edited February 6, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

DPM is one thing, range another.

 

You can erase effective range on paper: not in real battle.

another one =) I have to update my topic later.

[Thomas11239 366]

You're a hero man! Thank you so much, I couldn't choose between Twins M3 and Firebird M3, but this defenitely helped me :). 

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

another one =) I have to update my topic later.

Curious how you will "dismantle" this... :D

[deadmanrising 715]

Isida has self healing, so even if it does the lowest damage, its self healing easily matches that, so on average it can do more damage than firebird before it dies

 

These results are helpful, but skeptical, these results show the maximum damage per minute these turrets can do disregarding their reload and their advantages within their respective terrains, for instance firebird can m3 can kill a hammer m3 since it does damage more quickly

Edited February 6, 2016 by deadmanrising

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

"Saying Twins is strong just because of its DPM isn't very true"

Actually it strong exactly because of his highest DPM. Twins don't have any other pluses.

 

"At M3, Rico matches the firepower of Twins, "

Matching process happens only in your head and it doesn't have any connection to reality at all. Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions. I've already written that. I have both twins and rico. Check it yourself practically, try 1 v 1 island map drugs on pants paints off. I can actually play against your m4 account with my m1 twins.

 

"some of your arguments are flawed" "but saying "Twins is the best gun because of DPM" is very narrow minded"

Show me where did i say that the twins is the best gun. You're trying to attribute your statements to me again. And after that u're saying that my arguments are flawed and i'm narrow minded while u can't even understand what the thesis of the disput.

 

"I use that thread all the time to help others..."

Jack Kevorkian also liked to give advices to their pacients. Even the fact that he's doctor doesn't make him right. I don't know how noobie consulting is bounded with my DPM tables. DPM rating shows only DPM rating. If twins is on the top of DPM rating it means that it has the highest DPM. It doesn't mean that twins is the best gun ever. It's simple.

Your post gave me cancer, zika, Ebola, and probably every other disease out there. Not only are you showing how thick your head is, you're showing how inexperienced you are in this game.

 

"Twins don't have any other pluses".. are you kidding me right now? So what about its knockback?? Oh wait, you only care about DPM, therefore anything unrelated to that is unimportant.. So I will go ahead and guess that you also believe that freeze's ability to slow down a tank is also useless, cause it doesn't affect DPM..

 

"Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions." Haha very funny. I don't know 100% whether or not this is true, but I am 99% sure Rico will dominate. Have you ever even played against at least a Rico M3?? Again, I know you're opinions are unreliable due to your inexperience in Tanki. There's nothing wrong with being inexperienced in Tanki; everyone was like this at some point. But coming into the forum and basing your entire argument on numbers doesn't sound good at all.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you don't have a higher ranked account or else you wouldn't be saying things like "Twins is only good because of damage".

 

I also don't have an M4 account, and remember that your Twins M1 is M2.

 

"Show me where did i say that the twins is the best gun. You're trying to attribute your statements to me again. And after that u're saying that my arguments are flawed and i'm narrow minded while u can't even understand what the thesis of the disput". Yes, you are correct; you never directly said Twins was the best. I assumed that because you keep comparing Twins to Rico and saying that Twins is vastly superior to Rico, e.g. "M1 Twins could beat M4 Rico". And I can't understand the thesis? Ok. Tell me what your argument or whatever is, if you insist that I'm missing the point.

 

"If twins is on the top of DPM rating it means that it has the highest DPM. It doesn't mean that twins is the best gun ever. It's simple."

Ya, I agree with you here. But saying something like "M1 Twins > M4 Rico" is utterly stupid.

 

"Jack Kevorkian also liked to give advices to their pacients. Even the fact that he's doctor doesn't make him right. I don't know how noobie consulting is bounded with my DPM tables."

Noob consulting? So who else should answer questions in the "what to buy what to use" thread? Privates and Gefreiters? Even generalissimos who give advice in that thread don't mention statistics; that's how useless numbers are.

[applications 993]

You're arguing only with your emotions, maybe u check the numbers first. Until then i don't reply you no more, u're lazy forum graphomaniac.

hhhh noob, you used only the special abilitys on twins and freeze when calculating this- faster fireing

 

but what you dident take into accout was when close range turrets hit multipul tanks which bumps firebird, freeze, railgun(wildcard) up to the top

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

hhhh noob, you used only the special abilitys on twins and freeze when calculating this- faster fireing

 

but what you dident take into accout was when close range turrets hit multipul tanks which bumps firebird, freeze, railgun(wildcard) up to the top

He also said that M1 Twins will own M4 Rico LMAO.

[stawp_thundertime 275]

 

Ik ik "abstract value in perfect conditions" Thats why i said "the true potential damage" instead of dpm, for me the actual potential is all that matters, and i only brought this up so noone would mistake high dpm for pure efficiency. And no manuals or guides remove the restrictions that range, terrain, your survival chances etc. have on your guns ability to deal damage.

 

"In general DPM shows 2 things: 1) your chances to win if u're involved in close combat fight 2)Gun's potential effectivness in mass drug battles.

 

Ik you propably meant: your chances to win on a close combat, if you have the same protection, your distance is approcimately 0 and you can't actually use the traits that make your gun different from others, because close combat is solved with traits such as freezing, selfheal, burn damage etc. However ranks seperate our points of view on combat. Actual drugwars have paints, so diversity is needed.

Low rank drugwars are a joke, with theis unequal skill, equipment, internet etc.

 

"How much damage with particluar gun you can deal depends on your skills and game knoweldge." 

Your skill isn't that much of a variable, it progresses on steady paste, usually quite slowly, the actual variables are the enemy, and your team.

Their skill, equipment, map etc. They effect how long you live, and are you going to do damage. However this isn't as that evident on low ranks.

 

"That's particular case. My calculations is more usefull for team modes."

Sure, every battle is a particular case.The calculations coul've been used by the winning smoky, he might have calculated exactly how much time he needed to get the kills before his enemies would take a shot and steal them.

Why do you say: "My calculations is more usefull for team modes."?

They are equally useful in any gamemode if you use them in the right context. ^_^

[TG159 734]

If shafts DPM was the highest pana would use it in ping pong ctf xD

Your twins m1 would get owned so hard in m4 drug war lol

Edited February 7, 2016 by TG159

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

If shafts DPM was the highest pana would use it in ping pong ctf xD

Your twins m1 would get owned so hard in m4 drug war lol

He also thinks he can beat a M4 Rico 1 v 1. What a joke

[TG159 734]

He also thinks he can beat a M4 Rico 1 v 1. What a joke

This kid needs to wake up lol.

[TG159 734]

 

Ur charts messed up. Rico can kill me in 3 sec thunder in 6 lol

I can't beat m3 Rico with m2 twins, same hull.

Edited February 7, 2016 by TG159

[Thomas11239 366]

Ur charts messed up. Rico can kill me in 3 sec thunder in 6 lol

I can't beat m3 Rico with m2 twins, same hull.

Ever heard of reloading time? -_-

[Cor7y 13,862]

m1 Twins owns rico m4 in close combat under equal conditions

The force ignorance is high with that one....

[Maf 32,305]

Where did you get these images?

[deadmanrising 715]

He also thinks he can beat a M4 Rico 1 v 1. What a joke

The calculations are incorrect, twins only does the most damage because it fires at a continuous rate, rico does not, so it would appear that twins will do more damage than rico when in fact it is the converse

 

I would advise another set of calculations be done taking the reloading and the accountability of the weapon into account

[Panelak1947 11]

Where did you get these images?

I made them. Check a link to rough copy in the topic.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

I would advise another set of calculations be done taking the reloading and the accountability of the weapon into account

Reloading time included in DPM. I wrote it couple times, u could check it in my rough copy. Why do i have explain it to every lazy forum writer. No answering u anymore u're lazy and ignorante. U used to write first without any proper checking of what're u saying.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

 

U're again attributing your statements to me, which i've never said. And stop making pathetic assumptions about my skills, game knowledge, my rank, garage, it only shows again that u can't operate facts, why u always need to do speculative statements which barely connected to reality. I'm still waiting island experiment your m4 rico vs my m1 twins. It's just an experiment, if u lose it won't mean anything except that twins own rico cause of high DPM.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

I won't answer personally to everyone else like:

deadmanrising, Mr.Sarcastic, Thomas11239, TG159, applications, Lord-of-the-Snipers and so on

 

U don't pay sufficient attention to my comments and to my explanations in the topic, why should i repeat everything couple times for everyone particularry. Are we in kindergarten?! I don't have time and will for this. Most of u don't understand what DPM char means, u're hardly merged in considering particular battle cases. Some of u rephrase me and trying to attribute statements that i've never said (Ignoratio elenchi). 

Liking each other's messages doesn't make your statements more true, on the contrary u look like more like these guys:

 

 

one says bahh and everyone else's agreeing with him. 

Edited February 8, 2016 by Panelak1947

[deadmanrising 715]

Reloading time included in DPM. I wrote it couple times, u could check it in my rough copy. Why do i have explain it to every lazy forum writer. No answering u anymore u're lazy and ignorante. U'd better write first without any proper checking of what're u saying.

Really? Your calculations make no sense, how can ricochet M4 do less damage per minute compared to Twins m2? If rico fired at a continuous rate like twins it will eventually do more damage, it doesn't fire at a continuous rate, so by the time rico fires as much balls by the time as twins fires its plasma balls, it will appear to do less damage

[Panelak1947 11]

Really? Your calculations make no sense,   

My very last message to you cause u don't want to check anything, u don't want to calculate anything, u don't even want to look on my calculations and graphics which i prooved with my calculations in rough copy. If u're not agree with my numbers then find mistakes in my calculations or proove it with your version of calculations. 

 

how can ricochet M4 do less damage per minute compared to Twins m2?

Maybe cause dev made rico to deal less damage than twins m2 and m1 too btw. What's so suprising. 

 

If rico fired at a continuous rate like twins it will eventually do more damage,

It eventually do the same amount of damage. U could check it yourself looking on 11 sec graph distiribution or if u tried to count it yourself. But u prefered to operate with your speculative thoughts in your head that are based on thin air.

 

it doesn't fire at a continuous rate, so by the time rico fires as much balls by the time as twins fires its plasma balls, it will appear to do less damage

true, that's why twins make more damage then rico.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

You're a hero man! Thank you so much, I couldn't choose between Twins M3 and Firebird M3, but this defenitely helped me :). 

Ty. They're  both good on m3, both don't really need to be MUed till m4 cause theire receive not significant damage bonus on m4 unlike thunder or hammer. If u survive first FB balloon u will kill it with high chances. Conversally FB AOE damage is good also.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Panelak1947

[deadmanrising 715]

My very last message to you cause u don't want to check anything, u don't want to calculate anything, u don't even want to look on my calculations and graphics which i prooved with my calculations in rough copy. If u're not agree with my numbers then find mistakes in my calculations or proove it with your version of calculations. 

 

how can ricochet M4 do less damage per minute compared to Twins m2?

Maybe cause dev made rico to deal less damage than twins m2 and m1 too btw. What's so suprising. 

 

If rico fired at a continuous rate like twins it will eventually do more damage,

It eventually do the same amount of damage. U could check it yourself looking on 11 sec graph distiribution or if u tried to count it yourself. But u prefered to operate with your speculative thoughts in your head that are based on thin air.

 

it doesn't fire at a continuous rate, so by the time rico fires as much balls by the time as twins fires its plasma balls, it will appear to do less damage

true, that's why twins make more damage then rico.

That doesn't make it more powerful 1 vs 1, rico by far does more damage than twins m2, maybe not at a certain distance, like i said you need to redo your calculations