DPM turret rating. Which gun is the best?!

[TG159 734]

That doesn't make it more powerful 1 vs 1, rico by far does more damage than twins m2, maybe not at a certain distance, like i said you need to redo your calculations

In poly cp I faced an m3 Rico with m2 Viking (hhhh) and I used vik m2 twins m2 And he rektt me from the other side of the cp pit. M1 twins is nowhere near as powerful as Rico m4.

Devs would never make it this unbalanced pana.

Edited February 8, 2016 by TG159

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

U're again attributing your statements to me, which i've never said. And stop making pathetic assumptions about my skills, game knowledge, my rank, garage, it only shows again that u can't operate facts, why u always need to do speculative statements which barely connected to reality. I'm still waiting island experiment your m4 rico vs my m1 twins. It's just an experiment, if u lose it won't mean anything except that twins own rico cause of high DPM.

I already told you I don't have M4 Rico. And if you're so "proud" of your Twins, can you explain this topic? http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=306842&hl=

[deadmanrising 715]

In poly cp I faced an m3 Rico with m2 Viking (hhhh) and I used vik m2 twins m2 And he rektt me from the other side of the cp pit. M1 twins is nowhere near as powerful as Rico m4.

Devs would never make it this unbalanced pana.

Smoky m3 at close distance can be defeated with twins m2, but only because i was attacking it at a close distance, at a long distance, rico is more powerful twins, so is smoky, i was doing an experiment with a few generalnissmos with micro upgrades off

[Lhamster 4,081]

I've been playing this game for almost 5 and a half years, and have played with and in pretty much everything. While these graphs are interesting, DPM is only a small factor in choosing a weapon. A few examples:

 

I play a lot with Railgun on my alt, and while it looks to have a low DPM, the ability to hide out of harms way, pop out and deal a large amount of damage instantly and then hide again (Or deal damage, take flag and run etc, basically deal damage instantly and move) makes it very effective, and often means I lose a lot less health than if I had to be in a 1v1 for 5 seconds with Twins, especially when people could be destroyed in that single shot.

 

Another example would be when I was recently playing a drug war and defending the flag. My turret choice to start was Smoky, but I switched to Twins, not because of the DPM, but due to the fact I didn't need to reload, so using an M4 Titan, I can continuously deal damage for a long time, which was far more effective than using something like Firebird (which in the first few seconds has the highest DPM), asI could kill an enemy and instantly move on to the next, whereas I'd have to reload, possibly without killing the enemy in front of me, with Firebird. The other largest factor was what protections the other team had.

 

When I'm thinking about what weapon to choose (I have the pleasant situation of having a full garage and a bunch of M4s) I'm not thinking about DPM, but drawing on my experience to choose the gun that is most effective for the situation I'm in, or about to join.

 

I think the thing that matters is damage dealt until enemy is dead, sometimes for Rail that is instant, for my M4 Thunder it's 2 shots (2.5 seconds) on an M3 Hornet/Wasp, often from a distance. The factor that also needs taking into account is the fact many weapons can fire before they have fully reloaded. (For instance Rico can continuously fire, albeit at a slower rate after using its clip.) This also where your claim of M1 Twins beating M4 Rico falls down, that Rico is gonna destroy you long before it uses all its clip and you can kill it, then will reload when you respawn and repeat.

 

To comment on the Twins vs Rico debate:

Guns are very similar in range, animation, but twins do 4 times more damage, ricochet ability to bounce is useless. Twins will win almost all fights agains rico in the equal conditions.

Actually, the range you're looking at is the min damage range, the point at which it stops dealing damage. The max damage range has to be considered too (At M3, Twins is 15m, Rico is 76m) That's a massive difference. Twins do 4 times the damage after minute. No 1v1 ever lasts a minute. At min damage, an M3 Rico will do 311 damage in a clip, destroying my M4 Viking in 5.5 seconds. (Assuming the extra 4 damage comes from the projectiles not all actually being min damage.) M4 only takes 4.7 seconds to destroy it. (Comparing to M3 and M4 Twins, the times are identical and this continues at average and max damage)

That's particular case. My calculations is more usefull for team modes.

u're hardly merged in considering particular battle cases.

5) DPM represent 2 things:

1. Your chances to win on a close combat 1v1

2.Gun's potential effectivness in mass drug battles,

love "penetrate 3 enemies in line and hide" railgun tactic, but u need to hide because u're weak in face to face fight because railgun DPM is lower, conversarly twins must go in close combat to easily kill that hiding railgun, it's its vocation to charge in berserk atack.

IIn general DPM shows 2 things: 1) your chances to win if u're involved in close combat fight 2)Gun's potential effectivness in mass drug battles.

You keep saying people keep talking about specific battle cases, well, these 2 things (and therefore your calculations) are also for specific situations!

 

In conclusion, like I said earlier, the thing that really matters in this area is damage dealt until the enemy is dead.

 

I also want to point out that insulting people and a condescending tone does not get you anywhere and actually, as mentioned earlier in the topic, your grammar and writing does matter. Your text speak, lack of capitalisation, poor spelling, poor formatting and bad quoting make your posts much harder to read, especially on a long form environment like a forum and does not do anything positive to the way to present yourself and your reputation, which, on the internet, you need for people to take you seriously. The combination of the two makes you seem quite childish.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Lhamster

[NewbieCake 3,067]

 

Liking each other's messages doesn't make your statements more true, on the contrary u look like more like these guys:

 

Mmm. Feel free to join the pack.

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2016 by NewbieCake

[Maf 32,305]

Well, this has probably already been explained multiple times here, but I'll say it anyway. Twins would only beat any gun if it was a point-blank duel face to face with very heavy hulls + double armour and equal protection paints. In actual gameplay situations here are the advantages that other turrets have over Twins:

 

• Firebird - higher initial damage, only loses if Twins is a heavy hull
• Freeze - can easily spin around the Twins and avoid taking damage, also higher DPS in the first few seconds
• Isida - wins due to self-healing, unless Twins is heavy
• Ricochet - higher range, can take out Twins from behind a corner or from a high distance, dodging the slow projectiles
• Smoky - higher range, can take out Twins from a distance and knock his aim off
• Shaft, Railgun, Thunder, Vulcan - takes out twins from a distance, all but Vulcan can also use the shoot-and-hide technique at closer range
• Thunder - can also use splash damage and hit Twins without being directly exposed
• Hammer - Higher damage in the first three shots. If unable to kill in three shots, could potentially hide for reload.

So yeah, Twins has very low range and slow projectile, so the high DPS is there to compensate for these drawbacks, making Twins quite balanced. Same goes for other guns - a high DPS is always compensated by other limitations, while guns with low DPS have additional advantages.

[Panelak1947 11]

I already told you I don't have M4 Rico. And if you're so "proud" of your Twins, can you explain this topic? http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=306842&hl=

If 100 people would say you that if u jumped off the clip in the name of god u would get in heaven with 100 virgins. Would it be true? As i've already said millions of flies can't be wrong.

Important point is that you changed conditions i offered. Island, drugs on, paints off. U changed it because u know clearly that rico in that case will kill twins with 1 ballon, during the first ballon rico's dpm Is higher than m1-m3 twins and equal to m4 twins. U've choosen the best conditions for rico, cause it's its only way to kill twins. Why wouldn't u choose m0 wasp without MUs to kill it with 2 shots?  I've beed speaking all the time about more long time interval. I almost always play games with drugs, i use drugs all the time, if u met me in battle u woudn't kill me with rico before i use my DA and medkit. After the first balloon problem of rico's low DPM appears. U know all this perfectly, u keep uses sophistic tricks on purpose. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism#Modern_usage) You don't care about any truth u only obssessed in bringing me down. Why? I don't know ask your psychologist. 

I know that u're likely going to refer to my statement: "Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions". U've lifted it out of the context (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context). The context was that twins will beat rico during continious battle. So u lifted out of the context and changed my conditions. U showed enough who u really are. Since now i ignore all your messages except your mssgs about experiment "twins vs rico" with original conditions i offered.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

Devs would never make it this unbalanced pana.

Rico was imbalanced before the first rebalance. Now it's just a parody of old rico. Devs always make imbalance with their numerous rebalanaces. Imbalance is profitable. People buy imbalanced stuff and then devs release paints against those guns and fixing their TTX. Remember vulcan and hammer releases. Guns first, everyone buys them and own everyone, then release paints against vulcan and hammer and then cut of TTX. So devs are the first who interested in disbalance in the game, cause people want to buy imbalanced armament. Where there's demand there's supply.

[Panelak1947 11]

I've been playing this game for almost 5 and a half years, and have played with and in pretty much everything. 

U can learn everything about this arcade game during a month. Compare this game to WOT for example. WOT demands you to know a lot of thing about everything in game mechanics if u don't want to play a total noob and have 45% statistic. There are too many things u've to know that's why i usually play TO because it's arcade i don't have to be concentrated all the time, take decisions and evaluate game situation every minute i can just play intuitively, relax and get some fun of arcade gameplay. There is no deed in learning multiplication table for 5 years. I've been playing this game since 2009, i played along with the very first marshal T-1000, second marshal 777777, first druggers like NEY-1812 on brest map for 999 flags, 3 servers, restart once a week, huge funds, the SUN changes your game nickname through skype texting not via e-mail and so what. 

 

While these graphs are interesting, DPM is only a small factor in choosing a weapon. 

I've already described in the topic how u can apply these tables.

 

I play a lot with Railgun on my alt, and while it looks to have a low DPM, the ability to hide out of harms way, pop out and deal a large amount of damage instantly and then hide again (Or deal damage, take flag and run etc, basically deal damage instantly and move) makes it very effective, and often means I lose a lot less health than if I had to be in a 1v1 for 5 seconds with Twins, especially when people could be destroyed in that single shot.

Rail is one of my favorite guns. I've written about it. U didn't read again. Why are u explaining to me the tactics for railgun. U assume that i'm so noobie that i don't know basic game things. Indulgent behavior makes u very polite.

 

Another example would be when I was recently playing a drug war and defending the flag. My turret choice to start was Smoky, but I switched to Twins, not because of the DPM, but due to the fact I didn't need to reload, so using an M4 Titan, I can continuously deal damage for a long time, which was far more effective than using something like Firebird (which in the first few seconds has the highest DPM), asI could kill an enemy and instantly move on to the next, whereas I'd have to reload, possibly without killing the enemy in front of me, with Firebird. The other largest factor was what protections the other team had.

If twins didn't have high DPM u wouldn't kill your enemies and wouldn't switch smoky to twins. Smoky also doing continiously deal damage for a long time but lesser then twins. DPM matters a lot in drug battles.

 

When I'm thinking about what weapon to choose (I have the pleasant situation of having a full garage and a bunch of M4s) I'm not thinking about DPM, but drawing on my experience to choose the gun that is most effective for the situation I'm in, or about to join.

Of course. And DPM is the significant(not the only) characteristic which help u to make a decicsion what is effective.

 

I think the thing that matters is damage dealt until enemy is dead,

My enemies usually don't want to die for a long time. They use DA and medkits, even if i kill 2-3 enemies then the first enemy i killed respawn and coming to kill me, so i have to shoot always without pauses. It's more improtant how fast and how many people u can kill during the same time i'm not talking about how fast u can kill the single tank with your first balloon. Read the whole text in the topic please before u type your thoughts.

 

 sometimes for Rail that is instant, for my M4 Thunder it's 2 shots (2.5 seconds) on an M3 Hornet/Wasp, often from a distance. 

As i said i'm not intrested in considering situations how fast u can kill m3 wasp or m0 hornet. Light hulls are very weak.

 

The factor that also needs taking into account is the fact many weapons can fire before they have fully reloaded. 

And if u red properly my topic and checked my rough copy u would see that the very first statement there is that rico is reloading during shooting and then i made a calculations which is directly based on this fact. Obiously u read my topic negligently and don't pay any attention. Then why shouldn't i do the same thing about your messages can u explain me.

 

(For instance Rico can continuously fire, albeit at a slower rate after using its clip.) This also where your claim of M1 Twins beating M4 Rico falls down, that Rico is gonna destroy you long before it uses all its clip and you can kill it, then will reload when you respawn and repeat.

My enemies uses drugs DA medkit they won't die with 1 balloon etc and so on. Already wrote that couple times.

 

Actually, the range you're looking at is the min damage range, the point at which it stops dealing damage. The max damage range has to be considered too (At M3, Twins is 15m, Rico is 76m) That's a massive difference. 

That can be shorten in couple seconds. 

 

Twins do 4 times the damage after minute.

Not after minute. Damage is a variable during a minute. But average DPM is 4 times higher. Why should i explain the meaning of the words.

 

No 1v1 ever lasts a minute. At min damage, an M3 Rico will do 311 damage in a clip, destroying my M4 Viking in 5.5 seconds. (Assuming the extra 4 damage comes from the projectiles not all actually being min damage.) M4 only takes 4.7 seconds to destroy it. (Comparing to M3 and M4 Twins, the times are identical and this continues at average and max damage)

I compare average damage because - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution. And the same thing again i don't play battles withought drugs my enemies insistently don't want to die in 5-6 seconds.

 

You keep saying people keep talking about specific battle cases, well, these 2 things (and therefore your calculations) are also for specific situations!

No it's generalization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization). I try to reduce numerous battle situations in common battles with drugs using

generalized index, which u can't interpitate so directly. They're an insturments for assessing it's not a panacea. Something like GDP, if China has the highest GDP that doesn't mean that their country is the best in the world u should consider its structural economic circumstances and first of all clarify "the best country" term definition. Your inabilty to distinguish contrary terms specialization and generalization doesnt' make them equal.

 

I also want to point out that insulting people and a condescending tone does not get you anywhere

Quote :"The combination of the two makes you seem quite childish." 

I don't answer politely to rudeness and intentional ignorance.

 

Your text speak, lack of capitalisation, poor spelling, poor formatting and bad quoting make your posts much harder to read, especially on a long form environment like a forum and does not do anything positive to the way to present yourself and your reputation

I guess it's obviously that the english isn't my first language. I have to practice and learn a lot, this is actually one of the reasons why i argue here. I wouldn't waste my time only to prove someone in the internet that he's wrong and i'm right, it's ridicilous. I don't really care about proper quoting and editting, as i said don't want to waste time for such formal things, it's enough readable. Let me ask u a question what would u prefer: to be beutiful or to be healty?! U can't choose both.

 

which, on the internet, you need for people to take you seriously.

Oh that's why internet certainly was made for. Thx for explanation. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

Mmm. Feel free to join the pack.

 

 

 

I like people cause i like their opinion not because "enemy of my enemy is my friend and that's why I should like him and then he will like me. Yeah we showed that squirt who's he, our likes changed the reality."

Do u feel the difference.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

Well, this has probably already been explained multiple times here, but I'll say it anyway. Twins would only beat ...

Pls don't pay so many attention to twins. People went crazy when i said that twins dominate rico. That's only one of conclusions u could make looking to graphs and tables. Like railgun deals the highest damage in 1st second of the battle, or first 2 shots of hammer make the highest damage comparing to any gun in the game in first 2 seconds of the battle. Or firebird m4 deal the highest amount of damage in the game for 5 seconds and so on. People obsessed with that twins thing. My little secret is that i have 10+ accs and i have only one twins m1 on 3UO. I've never liked twins because of his law accuracy at range, but if twins catch you in the corner with flag u're doomed if u don't have twins resistance and isida able to heal you. i prefer rail/thunder or isida/freeze. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by Panelak1947

[TG159 734]

Pls don't pay so many attention to twins. People went crazy when i said that twins dominate rico. That's only one of conclusions u could make looking to graphs and tables. Like railgun deals the highest damage in 1st second of the battle, or first 2 shots of hammer make the highest damage comparing to any gun in the game in first 2 seconds of the battle. Or firebird m4 deal the highest amount of damage in the game for 5 seconds and so on. People obsessed with that twins thing. My little secret is that i have 10+ accs and i have only one twins m1 on 3UO. I've never liked twins because of his law accuracy at range, but if twins catch you in the corner with flag u're doomed if u don't have twins resistance and isida able to heal you. i prefer rail/thunder or isida/freeze.

 

But m2 twins can't beat m4 Rico ether xD

[Panelak1947 11]

But m2 twins can't beat m4 Rico ether xD

May be u'll finally go and check it with someone. Small map, drugs on, paints off, viking m2-m4.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Panelak1947

[NewbieCake 3,067]

I like people cause i like their opinion not because "enemy of my enemy is my friend and that's why I should like him and then he will like me. Yeah we showed that squirt who's he, our likes changed the reality."

Do u feel the difference.

I like their opinions too. I'm pretty sure that's why we upvote posts.

[Lhamster 4,081]

Oh for goodness sake, please quote properly! Not only is it harder to read, it makes it much harder to then quote your post. And yes it does matter, it takes longer to read and is harder on the eyes.

 

U can learn everything about this arcade game during a month. Compare this game to WOT for example. WOT demands you to know a lot of thing about everything in game mechanics if u don't want to play a total noob and have 45% statistic. There are too many things u've to know that's why i usually play TO because it's arcade i don't have to be concentrated all the time, take decisions and evaluate game situation every minute i can just play intuitively, relax and get some fun of arcade gameplay. There is no deed in learning multiplication table for 5 years. I've been playing this game since 2009, i played along with the very first marshal T-1000, second marshal 777777, first druggers like NEY-1812 on brest map for 999 flags, 3 servers, restart once a week, huge funds, the SUN changes your game nickname through skype texting not via e-mail and so what. 

 

Why are u explaining to me the tactics for railgun. U assume that i'm so noobie that i don't know basic game things.

If you want the credibility being around for a long time has, post from that account then.

 

May be u'll finally go and check it with someone. Small map, drugs on, paints off, viking m2-m4.

#VerySpecificSituation

 

That can be shorten in couple seconds.

It's a difference of 60m. An M4 Wasp will take over 4 seconds to cover that distance. In 4 seconds an M3 Rico can kill an M4 Wasp. My M4 Viking will take 6.5 seconds to cover that distance. An M3 Rico can kill an M4 Viking in that time. It is significant. Don't call other people out for not using cold hard facts and numbers, then dismiss my facts and numbers with generalised statements when it doesn't suit your argument.

 

U didn't read again. Indulgent behavior makes u very polite.

 

Read the whole text in the topic please before u type your thoughts.

 

Obiously u read my topic negligently and don't pay any attention.

 

Why should i explain the meaning of the words.

 

I compare average damage because - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution.

No it's generalization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization)

 

I don't really care about proper quoting and editting, as i said don't want to waste time for such formal things, it's enough readable.

 

Oh that's why internet certainly was made for. Thx for explanation. 

I see you've let my advice go in one ear and straight out the other as you've just responded in the same way that you do to anyone who seems to disagree with you, with assumptions, petty insults and digs at my intelligence. Do you really think I didn't read everything in this topic multiple times? I did not get to be an admin, work 8 different jobs, be three times helper of the year, helper of the month 13 times straight and be widely respected in this community by being stupid. This is now your first and only warning, any more and and a ban will be considered.

 

I don't really care about proper quoting and editting, as i said don't want to waste time for such formal things, it's enough readable.

Well you should, it carries over to real life, cause that's how society works, your appearance always makes the first impression and is an important part of your reputation. While on the subject of reputation, if you are going to claim to have M2 Titan/Twins, post on the account that has it, otherwise people will look at your profile and just think you're a liar...

 

Your calculations ARE for specific situations. Drug wars and 1v1s are specific types of battle, which most people don't play often (Full drug wars basically don't exist until the top ranks, and even then, smart cooldowns affect things. Proper 1v1s are usually pre arranged duels).

Edited February 9, 2016 by Lhamster

[deadmanrising 715]

Rico was imbalanced before the first rebalance. Now it's just a parody of old rico. Devs always make imbalance with their numerous rebalanaces. Imbalance is profitable. People buy imbalanced stuff and then devs release paints against those guns and fixing their TTX. Remember vulcan and hammer releases. Guns first, everyone buys them and own everyone, then release paints against vulcan and hammer and then cut of TTX. So devs are the first who interested in disbalance in the game, cause people want to buy imbalanced armament. Where there's demand there's supply.

If the game was perfectly balanced you would probably leave the game anyway, i mean it wouldn't be fun, making certain turrets more powerful than others wouldn't be the ideal aim, although it would appear to be that way since the devs give each turret a certain power limit depending on close range or far range, for instance a lot of people including myself assumed that thunder was nerfed and is too weak, but when attacking at a long distance, its actually quite deadly, i dont know if people say that a turret is nerfed just because of its ability to respond in certain situations, hammer is not as overpowered as before but performs just fine, smoky is extremely powerful now, twins has always been powerful, isida has self healing which in itself is already an imbalance, freeze has lost its original prospects but is in no way weak, it can kill hulls with double armor on, firebird is well balanced. The game economy as a whole may be slightly imbalanced, but imbalances are not created unpurpose to create profit, tanki already makes profit on a decent basis anyway and not just with random rebalances. 

[stawp_thundertime 275]

The arguments should be boiled down to basic facts, if someone disagrees, or feels like there is more to this feel free to go on.

 

Facts:

1. Games need many different roles of players: attackers, supportive fire, defenders, isidas, snipers, campers,damage eaters etc, 1 sided team loses very often, for many of these roles DPM is not the 1st priority. This applies to any team battle.

2. Tdm and DM kills are not gotten by dpm, but a smart usage of your shots, and in TDMs isida work is essencial. these battles make 58%.

3. Paints force diversity in any larger mid/high rank battle.

4. Your team can need any kind of turret to win, the 1 that perfects the majority of teams you join is the famous "most effective turret".

It is different turret for different people.

5. Small cps need isida, and a fire/freeze. Large cps need diversity, atleast isidas, supportive guns, and longer range guns. cps make 11%

6. The operating space is important for many guns.

7. Your guns effectiveness is determined by your team, and the enemy team, much more than you.

8. The charts represent a specific cituation, 1 minute and 11 second of continuous damage dealt on 0 distance.

9. Making points is the only useful thing here, besides having fun. Unpoliteness is useless.(unless it's fun)

10. These charts can be both used and misused, they should only be reqarded as what they are, representations of the cituation where your gun can fire at enemies for a minute/11 seconds.  Not needed for nearly every role, but useful for the general knowlege of your power and, the distribution of power in your team.

11. the game is somewhat imbalanced.

12. Different conditions are benefitial for different guns, between different guns there are no "equal conditions", only ones that benefit the other more, or less.

 

What i think shold be done for the topic is: removing "important statements"(not 1), as the charts are selfexplanitory for a person with ½ of a sence, and statements like: "your chances to win on a close combat 1v1" are misleading. The: Which gun is the best on the title is a pure bitdisturber.

 

This arguing would be much more useful if it went less for the person and more for the specific mistakes, 1 should be able to confess a mistake or 2, but a few will take advice, if it comes with insults. :)

 

*throws respect at Lhamsters effort

Edited February 10, 2016 by stawp_thundertime

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

I've given up on arguing against this "Panelak1947" noob, no point in trying to beat logical ideas into his thick head

[TG159 734]

I've given up on arguing against this "Panelak1947" noob, no point in trying to beat logical ideas into his thick head

Goes in one ear come out the other.

[TG159 734]

May be u'll finally go and check it with someone. Small map, drugs on, paints off, viking m2-m4.

There are two options.

1. Everyone is wrong, and you are the only person that is right.

2. Everyone is right, and you (1 person, perhaps lier) are wrong.

 

Option 1 is almost never the case!

 

except in school one time when all the students, teachers, and even the principle thought bananas grow downward. At the end of the day we checked on Google, and indeed I was right. Bananas gro towards the sky.

 

[Panelak1947 11]

 

#VerySpecificSituation 

Yes u're right. It was very specific situation.That's Probably because we've been duscussing very specific situation on purpose. Argue was about rico vs shaft on a close combat. But u want to catch me on contradiction so hard that u can't see when i speak about general situations and when i speak about specific situation on purpose because that's the point of the thesis.

 

 

It's a difference of 60m. An M4 Wasp will take over 4 seconds to cover that distance. In 4 seconds an M3 Rico can kill an M4 Wasp. My M4 Viking will take 6.5 seconds to cover that distance. An M3 Rico can kill an M4 Viking in that time. It is significant. Don't call other people out for not using cold hard facts and numbers,

 I would easily refute this. But since u've ignored most of my arguments pointed to weak spots in your reasoning in previous message i will do the same. 

 

 

 then dismiss my facts and numbers with generalised statements when it doesn't suit your argument.

threat me with ban when it doesn't suit your argument. Don't say that's because of insults allegedly (on the opposite my words meant that u think that u're too smart to read my topic propely or google anything. Don't twist words like fcbayernmunch). When u lack of arguments it's good to have emergency plan B. Like they say all is fair in love and war.

 

to anyone who seems to disagree with you

No they are simply wrong and too lazy to check anything by themselves or they follow their personal aims like to start a conflict and make fun with of it. I don't speak with such people politely. 

 

 

 Do you really think I didn't read everything in this topic multiple times?

If u've red u wouldn't have said what you said in your previous message. I pointed everything in my last answer. You hushed it up.

 

 

I did not get to be an admin, work 8 different jobs, be three times helper of the year, helper of the month 13 times straight and be widely respected in this community by being stupid. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

 

and a ban will be considered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculum

 

if you are going to claim to have M2 Titan/Twins, post on the account that has it, otherwise people will look at your profile and just think you're a liar...

I didn't know this combo is so expensive.

 

U don't properly read my explanations in topic and comments or u just skip it. Treating me with a ban for being not polite and at the same time justifying inconviniet behavior and ignoring insults of other members and your own pokes. U wanted to win with cavalry charge, when it didn't work out u started to abuse your power and authority. You're not intrested in honest dicussion, so your following messages will be ignored. 

 

P.S. I'm not afraid to be banned i don't have anything to lose here, because i don't live on the forum. Conversely ban would free my time. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by Panelak1947

[Panelak1947 11]

There are two options.

1. Everyone is wrong, and you are the only person that is right.

2. Everyone is right, and you (1 person, perhaps lier) are wrong.

First of all he changed original conditions. If u didn't notice it or ok with that then there's nothing to talk about.

[TG159 734]

First of all he changed original conditions. If u didn't notice it or ok with that then there's nothing to talk about.

Your arguments make no sense, my amusement from this specific noob has passed. Time to move on. Edited February 11, 2016 by TG159

[applications_tanki 129]

You are only picking the most ideal, and not realistic things for twins. m4 rico vrs m4 twins? Rico will have the advantage- shooting range. Then you are basicllying that the rico will stay in the open waiting to reload. Everyone would just take cover right away.

[TG159 734]

You are only picking the most ideal, and not realistic things for twins. m4 rico vrs m4 twins? Rico will have the advantage- shooting range. Then you are basicllying that the rico will stay in the open waiting to reload. Everyone would just take cover right away.

Remember, he's a noob. In those ranks that's how you play. That's why twins is so "OP" when really it's not, everyone is just noob.