M2 Twins vs M4 Rico: Island 1 v 1, who would win?

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

No paint, no supplies, paired with, let's say Viking M3 (no MU)

[m6ttetu 288]

Depends on skills.. 

[Benzace_134 0]

Definitely m4 rico

Edited February 8, 2016 by Benzace_134

[dilsharox 2,395]

Rico m4 will win for sure

[newrohan 1,040]

Rico m4

[Zenyth 6,494]

Rico m4

Edited February 8, 2016 by Zenyth

[Eragon 13,876]

Power beats reload speed   :ph34r:

[Gigalink 116]

Is this assuming that both are using equal hulls? I still say Rico M4. and If possible, I'd be cool if somebody actually playtested it! :D

[stawp_thundertime 275]

You actually made a topic of this, im definetly roflcopering my way to downstairs. *climbs back up

 

So viking m3. 254 protection, takes 7 rico shots, and they can all be shot at the optimal rate of fire:meaning 2.82 seconds to destroy viking m3. 6 recharge times of 0.47 seconds.

For twins m2s 15.24 damage per shot it would take 17 shots. So a total of 4 seconds.

16 recharge times times of 0.25 seconds.

 

Twins m2 vs rico m4 no paints. viking m3. rico owns on any range.

However, the heavier the tanks get, the more protection paints get, and if DAs and healths are used equally, Twins gets adwantage.

 

Seriously, tf is this. His charts CLEARLY say DPM. This means damage per minute.... MINUTE it's not like 1v1 situations last a freaking minute, or are remotly face to face. You both know the effectiveness of a gun is 100% dependant on the survival time you get. I cry everytim

(nah im still roflcoptering around the house)... tell me something serious so i'll calm down from this hectic state :D

 

Now we all know why this topic exists, it's a responce to "Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions" that sure wasn't the brightest thing panelak ever said, but it was 1 slipped word, and you both know that's not what he meant.

His topic is useful, and provides info 1 can use however he wants, give the man some credit, instead of trying to put up a fight.

Edited February 8, 2016 by stawp_thundertime

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

You actually made a topic of this, im definetly roflcopering my way to downstairs. *climbs back up

Ya cause what else can I do to prove @Panelak1947 that he's wrong?

 

Seriously, tf is this. His charts CLEARLY say DPM. This means damage per minute.... MINUTE

Yes, I have eyes too. Don't worry

 

it's not like 1v1 situations last a freaking minute, or are remotly face to face

So doesn't this just further prove that DPM statistics are useless? There's a lot more to a turret than just how much damage it deals; @Panelak1947 doesn't seem to understand this. And not all 1 v 1 situations are in open areas, either.

 

You both know the effectiveness of a gun is 100% dependant on the survival time you get.

So Firebird is the worst turret in the game, I guess.

 

Now we all know why this topic exists, it's a responce to "Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions" that sure wasn't the brightest thing panelak ever said, but it was 1 slipped word, and you both know that's not what he meant.

His topic is useful, and provides info 1 can use however he wants, give the man some credit, instead of trying to put up a fight.

I don't have anything against him providing his statistics. But his argument/viewpoint is that he looks at a turret's strength solely based on their DPM. For example, he said "The only plus of Twins is its high DPM". So what about its knockback? And Freeze is absolutely useless too, since the freezing effect doesn't affect DPM, right?

 

Also, the "Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions" is 100% what he meant; if not, why else does he keep saying "try it yourself" or "bring an M4 rico against me" or stuff like that? Stop trying to play devil's advocate and support him, you know he hasn't a clue about anything he's saying. And don't tell me any more how useful "DPM" is, cause it's not.

 

Edit: Fixed spelling mistake (affect --> effect)

Edited February 8, 2016 by FC_BayernMunchen

[DonCarnage 1,270]

Haha, you posted an interesting question in your topic. Obviously, M4 Ricochet will surely win against the M2 Twins. You think it's easy, well, yeah it is for sure, but in your fantasy surely you can see the damage difference between the M4 Ricochet and the M2 Twins without a Micro. In my opinion, Twins is better than Ricochet; I'm not voicing my opinion about the upgrades. In any case, if you compare M4 Ricochet against M4 Twins, both are different in damaging, shooting and speed. Here's the question: which do I prefer?. The answer is I prefer both of them, but M4 Ricochet is weak against M4 Twins, so I prefer using M4 Twins against M4 Ricochet. Anyways, I talked so much about it, lol, but by voicing my optnion, it's good to help players know which is good and bad to use.

[TheGoldenTanker 4,951]

Twins M2 would get d3s ok.

[stawp_thundertime 275]

 

I will be the last 1 to tell you DPM only is useful...

Survival time=100% of your effectiveness, no survival, no player: fire applies too, you wont get the burn on him easily, you actually have to live.

 

Ok fine, you have taken as your job to straighten up the incorrectness of the  "Even m1 twins will own m4 rico in close combat fight in equal conditions".  If you really want to shove it in his face i think you should in fact get a 1v1 between m2 twins and m4 rico.

I know his undertanding of how to win a game is a bit flawed, but isn't it bound to be at those ranks? the lack of protective paints and overall skilled teams creates the illusion that you can infact keep dealing optimal damage all day, and that is the best way to support a team.

 

Some facts should be stated:  44% of battles are DMs

A diverse team in over bridgalier drugwars is needed, for good paints. Under bridgalier drugwars are tiny minority.

Normal battles on lower ranks are full of bs, they are won by mults, druggers, outcamping, but there is definetly the need for diversity.

Shaft, thunder and rail solve battles like Poly cp, a drugging rail or shaft m3 camper is the worst nightmare of everyone who hasn't found a precious DA. These guns keep the enemies finger on the 2 making it alot easyer for your team to outlast them and hold the point with a few isidas. Also they make health kits far less usefull. Smaller cps: island or arena need atleast 1 isida, and 1 fire/freeze twins or vulcan can be used, but it's still only ½ high dps team. And often a hammer will do better job than vulcan, for it's more mobile, and therefore can block exits to points better.

so where high DPS guns are the winning cure is the place whit actual a lack of them.

 

Still knowing the DPM is a possibility, and it should be used to decide on advanced team layouts:

For example, you should know how many enemies your defending vulcan can take, so you won't have extra isidas on the flag for nothing, you should also know your attacers potential DPM, as this lets you know what kind of attack you should attend on. Your team should also have  enough firepower to deal with flagrunners on the right places.

However this is all skype/clan stuff, and as a lonewolf it won't come that handy. Unless you are clueless with damage in general.

 

By no means am i taking sides, im just trying to get things straight. :)

Edited February 8, 2016 by stawp_thundertime

[slycleaversmart 1,154]

m4 rico!

[Maf 32,300]

A skilled Rico player will beat an equally skilled Twins player on Island even if the Twins is M4 and Rico is M2-M3. The number of potential ways to bounce your shots between the buildings is huge, so you can keep driving around and shooting him using the walls, while giving the Twins minimum chance to hit you directly.

 

Now if it was just an empty map with absolutely no structures (just a plain field the size of Island), then the M2 Twins vs. M4 Rico question would be mode valid.

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

Now if it was just an empty map with absolutely no structures (just a plain field the size of Island), then the M2 Twins vs. M4 Rico question would be mode valid.

But in that case, the Rico would still win, no?

[Amagi 1,728]

M3 Twins would stand a chance, but M2 vs. M4? Nah.

[tanker538N 394]

Oh pls, smoky m0 will 420 no scope veiking baiter than even rico m5!!1111!!!!11!1!1!

[TG159 734]

M4 Rico can own m2 twins any range. Trust me, m3 can at any range, and I used to use twins m2 a lot.

[deadmanrising 715]

 

Its been said numerous times but ill kindly say it again, using equal equipment, if both turrets were facing each other 1 vs 1, Twins would win, why? Because twins is a midfield turret, it was designed to inflict the most damage at any medium ranged distance, across a longer distance, ricochet would win, because the balls fired gain extra velocity and can inflict a sustainable amount of damage up until a certain point, rico is turret of skill, it wasn't designed for the same purposes as twins, when used correctly, both are equally as powerful

 

Any M4 owns any M2 and Thus most M3's regardless of the range or circumstances

[Spartan_28 347]

RIco M4 would win no doubt.

[GeneralNemesis 497]

there are many conditions effecting it if the c8nditions allow the people to be killed within the 12 shots rico wins otherwise most definitely twins willl win even if m2

[ghost-guns 1,486]

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Edited August 11, 2016 by ghost-guns

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

if both turrets were facing each other 1 vs 1, Twins would win

Any M4 owns any M2 and Thus most M3's regardless of the range or circumstances

So I'm assuming you mean that M4 Rico will win? Cause you seem to contradict yourself here

[TG159 734]

Guys, I don't think he's looking for answers such as certain examples. He's asking if they were purposefully testing it, same hull same with no paints, which would win.

(Rico)