What do you fight for?

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

lmao i know that the image i used was religious but the point was that people are born for probably a reason... even if they weren't planned on being born by there parents. 

 

HItler may have killed millions of innocent people, but look at what we have learned from that catastrophe. we now know what too look for in a leader in case something like that ever happens again. was it necessary for all those people to die? unfortunately, yes. we had to learn that the hard way. 

 

Bad things happen like cancer, and horrible leaders doing monstrous things, so we can learn from our history. how would civilization ever advance if we never learned? especially from our mistakes... 

 

your assuming im christian or believe in similar beliefs that i share with christians. i obviously see why you think that because of the image. 

if you look at that situation from a christian point of view, than literally everything is a test. nothing is real. earth is just one giant test to get into this heaven. if you fail, hell is the consequence. Like in a school, would it be fair to fail a student who never even took the test to begin with? no. its not. just like how its not fair to send an aborted baby to heaven, or really to hell, because he never took the "test" if he carried out his life. 

the man who grew up in the ghetto and committed crimes (huge stereotype btw) was able to live out his life and take the "test" and obviously failed. because he had a choice whether to commit those crimes or not.

 

just for the record, I grew up with christian parents, but I find the flaws in the ideology to much in order to consider myself a present-form christian. 

These subjects have it in their nature to provoke lengthy discussions because people feel strongly about them.

So I rather give you my view on the matter and call it a day.

For me it 's not about who 's right or wrong, believe what you want or don 't believe at all.

I see it as an exchange of ideas. No need to agree.

 

Personally i don 't belief that people are born for a reason, let alone there is a purpose,

rather than the wish to live which is universal to all life in this world.

 

Hitler just happened, and if he wasn 't born than someone else would have most likely

stepped in his place, because Germany after the defeat of WW1 was a breeding place

for extreme nationalism and rasicm and there 's always someone willing to take

that kind of bad power.

 

It all lead to WW2 and did we learn something from WW2?

I still hope so, but history becomes history and people tend to forget.

There are young people who don 't know what Auswitsch is and who Hitler and the nazis were.

And even more how they came into power. That 's reason for worrying.

 

It starts with tolerating and encouraging violence, breeding hatred towards minorities: find your scape goats.

Kind of reminds me of a popular presidential candidate in America...yes, we learned a lot...not.

 

Ofcourse we learn something from our mistakes and luckily even more from inventions and discoveries that are made.

Especially without science we would still be in the middle ages,

religion would not have taken us where we are now.

 

I don 't believe in an afterlife so this is what it is. We have to make the best out of it

together. So I do believe in friendship, caring for others etc.

In my view there 's also no test. You can fail though as a human being but that 's about it.

 

Lastly it would be nice if more people could imagine themselves being born somewhere in

a slum, with little to no chance on good food, health(care) and education.

Let 's say for this example it 's a slum in a Muslim country, so you also

have to convert to Christianity according to Christians otherwise you go to hell.

(or convert to Hinduism according to Hindu 's etc.)

Your parents and everyone around you is a Muslim but that 's no excuse...

Yeah, life sure is fair.

 

So why are baby 's so dumb to be born in the wrong countries, or are the storks to blame?

Edited March 17, 2016 by Lord-of-the-Snipers

[Rico_Viking_9000 942]

Ok I see that this has started a bit of an argument. Even though I am Catholic and hate to say this, discussion of religions in the forum is prohibited, along with arguing in a public topic. You guys can continue your argument in a PM. I know I started this argument, and that might lead to this topic being locked. If this gets locked, it is my own fault anyway. I know abortion might be a find topic to discuss, so you can create a topic to discuss it. I always get nervous when no mods reply to my topics because I don't know if I am breaking the rules. So any moderator reading this, please tell me if this discussion is allowed here.

I am not trying to cause any trouble guys. 

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Ok I see that this has started a bit of an argument. Even though I am Catholic and hate to say this, discussion of religions in the forum is prohibited, along with arguing in a public topic. You guys can continue your argument in a PM. I know I started this argument, and that might lead to this topic being locked. If this gets locked, it is my own fault anyway. I know abortion might be a find topic to discuss, so you can create a topic to discuss it. I always get nervous when no mods reply to my topics because I don't know if I am breaking the rules. So any moderator reading this, please tell me if this discussion is allowed here.

I am not trying to cause any trouble guys. 

It 's true, but I have been in other discussions too where religion partly got involved

and which weren 't closed.

 

As long as people stay polite and just disagree there is not much of a problem and I

believe/feel the participants till now have been respectful to one another.

 

I do agree it would be better to divert this topic to less heated "what do you fight for" posts.

Otherwise it might be closed and that would be bad.

 

 

So I keep on fighting for candy for all! (sugarfree candy that is)

[NatchGa 665]

 

Personally i don 't belief that people are born for a reason, let alone there is a purpose,

rather than the wish to live which is universal to all life in this world.

 

 

I don 't believe in an afterlife so this is what it is. We have to make the best out of it

together. So I do believe in friendship, caring for others etc.

this is such a corrupt ideology. 

 

So you have no purpose? you and i were an accident? nothing happens without a purpose. look at evolution, that was all for nothing? look at our history. did kingdoms rise and fall just for the sake of it? no. something caused that. everything has a cause, and thus, has a purpose. 

 

but since you seem so fond of this thinking, you say we should care for each other and and be friends. what is the point? is there even a right and wrong? nothing has a cause, remember? you said so yourself. what is the difference between right and wrong? if one is caring for his family and the other one feels its right to kill that family, which one is actually right? with no morals or cause, both of them are right technically. 

 

people need to stop thinking there needs to be proof for something to exsist. dont you see? the whole christian religion is based on those who are able to believe without PROOF. is there proof that god exsists? absolutely not. thats the whole point, filter out those who are to weak to believe without proof. why risk it? 

[NatchGa 665]

So I keep on fighting for candy for all! (sugarfree candy that is)

we need sugar for our bodies to survive. :)

 

think about the children in africa who have little or no access to sugar :)

[Cor7y 13,862]

people need to stop thinking there needs to be proof for something to exsist. dont you see? the whole christian religion is based on those who are able to believe without PROOF. is there proof that god exsists? absolutely not.

That, my lady/Good Sir, is the stupidest statement I have ever read.

[NatchGa 665]

That, my lady/Good Sir, is the stupidest statement I have ever read.

ok???¿¿¿ thanks for the input. you didn't even put a reason as to why??¿ so there for your argument is invalid. 

[Cor7y 13,862]

ok???¿¿¿ thanks for the input. you didn't even put a reason as to why??¿ so there for your argument is invalid. 

So you believe in something can never be proven?

Alright, I believe that your so-called "God" wants to drive humanity to extinction.

[NatchGa 665]

So you believe in something can never be proven?

can you speak english please...

[BabyLou 1,881]

I fight for being the best potatoe in the battle and for being a flamboyant personality. Let me be the free bird I want to be, daddy!

[NatchGa 665]

Alright, I believe that your so-called "God" wants to drive humanity to extinction.

no, just annoying people like you maybe ¬_¬

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

this is such a corrupt ideology. 

 

So you have no purpose? you and i were an accident? nothing happens without a purpose. look at evolution, that was all for nothing? look at our history. did kingdoms rise and fall just for the sake of it? no. something caused that. everything has a cause, and thus, has a purpose. 

 

but since you seem so fond of this thinking, you say we should care for each other and and be friends. what is the point? is there even a right and wrong? nothing has a cause, remember? you said so yourself. what is the difference between right and wrong? if one is caring for his family and the other one feels its right to kill that family, which one is actually right? with no morals or cause, both of them are right technically. 

 

people need to stop thinking there needs to be proof for something to exsist. dont you see? the whole christian religion is based on those who are able to believe without PROOF. is there proof that god exsists? absolutely not. thats the whole point, filter out those who are to weak to believe without proof. why risk it? 

Corrupt ideology? That 's your opinion and that 's ok with me.

What I don 't get is that it seems to bother you.

Why should my corrupt ideology bother you?

 

And I don 't agree, I have a purpose too: to enjoy my life and care for others.

If you don 't think that 's a purpose: so be it, it 's enough for me.

In the end you have your "truth" and I have got my "truth".

 

Also there is imo right and wrong without a religious backing.

Luckily there is relatively only a small percentage of religious and non-religious people who go murder

other people and do other bad stuff like stealing etc.

 

If you were right than most secular countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc. should be filled with murderers

and bad people. Strange that those countries seem to be the best and safest countries to live in

with very low criminality, universal healthcare, almost no poor people etc.

Only psychopaths enjoy murder btw.

 

Humans are social beings so we enjoy company of others and like to engage with other people (play Tanki...),

most of us want to do good things because that gives us a good feeling and most of us have a moral that is

partly our nature and partly our upbringing from our parents and surroundings like teachers.

 

Evolution is for nothing in my view? I don 't think so. Evolution is the cause gave us this planet, the nature on it and ourselves.

That 's quite a lot I think!

We don 't take good care of it, but that 's another story.

 

You talk about risk if you don 't belief: like pretending to belief what I would have to do would have any meaning.

I would be "filtered" out anyway...nice expression btw... :D

And believing is always without proof: you have no proof there is a God and I have no proof that there is no God.

Maybe we aren 't so different after all. :)

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

we need sugar for our bodies to survive. :)

 

think about the children in africa who have little or no access to sugar :)

My mistake! Thank you! :)

 

From now on I will also partly fight for candy made with sugar.

[DragonOfStorms 2,706]

Glad to get back on topic, I don't want a ban! I apologize if I came across as judgemental or offensive in any way, I have very strong feelings about that subject.

 

Anyway, I fight for Rohan! Forward, Riddermark, to victory!

[Rico_Viking_9000 942]

 

 

From now on I will also partly fight for candy made with sugar.

 

Candy corn is one of my favorites

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Glad to get back on topic, I don't want a ban! I apologize if I came across as judgemental or offensive in any way, I have very strong feelings about that subject.

 

Anyway, I fight for Rohan! Forward, Riddermark, to victory!

It 's good to have strong feelings, means your alive! ;)

 

"Ride now!... Ride now!... Ride! Ride to ruin and the world's ending!" ....."Forth, Eorlingas to Victory!"

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Candy corn is one of my favorites

Had to Google it. Looks nice, it even contains real corn syrup.

 

Will be included!

[DragonOfStorms 2,706]

Disclaimer: Not a quote!

 

I regret that I have but one life to give for Gondor.

[Rico_Viking_9000 942]

Had to Google it. Looks nice, it even contains real corn syrup.

 

Will be included!

Yeah mostly found in North America.

[Lord-of-the-Snipers 1,620]

Disclaimer: Not a quote!

 

I regret that I have but one life to give for Gondor.

[railgunistic 182]

I fight for justice; especially in this forum.... -_-

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

Making up stories is easy...what if Hitler would have been aborted?

 

another version:

 

If you are a loving and Merciful God. WHY do you allow cancer, and why do you allow tirans

to govern in many countries? What 's your problem GOD???

 

And according to your believes it 's very likely that you believe that aborted "baby 's" go to heaven.

At least that 's what I hear and read all the time.

 

In that case you may wonder who is the lucky one:

the baby that got aborted and was never able to do evil things and goes straight to heaven,

or the man who grew up in a ghetto, became a criminal during his life, and as a consequence goes to hell.

 

Your turn.

correct

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Honor & Glory.

[pottergeorge 37]

I fight for what I believe is the truth. I guess that's enough (:

[I.Devastation 2,053]

Hmm well if I do get into a fight IRL I continue for the sake of it and because I enjoy it...

Edited May 16, 2016 by I.Devastation