The Injustices of Tanki Online - Discuss

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Mods, I am certain I have not broke any rules here, please leave because it needs discussing.

 

Tanki is full of injustices and unless you're prepared to join the dark side of this game, you'll never ever be able to truly compete or even have fun when you reach level 30, Generalissimo.

If you joined this game around the same time as me, you were lucky to have arrived at a time when equipment kits were bargains and 50% sales were commonplace. I had designed my own spreadsheet which imported the information from wiki which in turn allowed me to micro upgrade my hulls, turrets and paints as cost effectively as possible, enabling me to have an m4 garage with a wide variety of fully upgraded paints for the lowest expendature possible.

So why am I writing this when I'm supposed to be as strong as they come? Surely if anyone can compete I can! But I might as well have M0's and Green paint on when it comes to seemingly indestructable clans who always seem to have all 3 supplies on but just can't be beat no matter what you throw at them. The task of winning is made even more impossible when mults join your side with the sole intention of making you weaker still. Some of you know the feeling of being mugged in this game and it's an injustice that occurs far too often.

 

We all know the players who engage in this behaviour. Their names come up far too often. You see them enter a battle and you think, how many mults are they going to install this time!

/vote and mods to the rescue. And for my next joke... Seriously, Tanki supposed to be sorting out these injustices but seem far more interested in designing teddy bears and blue spheres, you know, really essential stuff this game can't do without!

Everyone knows about the kick2 idea in the forum, an idea which even if partially incorporated, whether automatically or player moderated, would go some way to deal with the scourge that plagues our battles. It has almost 400 likes which is a record for the EN community and that is a very loud shout to tanki devs, PLEASE do something!

As we know, they're not wanting to tackle this huge problem and our only recourse for justice is to painstakingly gather evidence for later submission to the violators section but by that time you've already been robbed, mocked and left in the gutter. Even if successful, the violators don't care as they have no shortage of alternative accounts to do it again.

So call me a conspiracy theorist. Do tanki secretly endorse this 'not so subtle' cheating that is rife in this game? How could it possible benefit them? Well for one thing, by not doing anything meaningful about the problem, naive players might think that all they need to do compete is to spend a little bit more pocket money. No I hear you say, there is no corruption here. Well I'm not saying there is but a part of me has been thinking along these lines for a while now.

Some of you don't even have a clue what I'm talking about but if you managed to catch my 4 hour live stream today on youtube, you'll have witnessed first hand what I mean.

There is always hope but it's fading fast. No justice means players will resort to desperate measures or just quit the game entirely. There is no shortage of players joining the dark side, defending sabotage and condoning mult-like behaviour. It's online gaming thuggery at it's finest and honest players are defenseless against it.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I know it's difficult but try to keep it civil and do not insult!

 

Sabotage is now part of tanki online culture and nothing meaningful is being done to reduce it. I'm not wanting ideas or suggestions in this topic but I would like to know why players think this is or isn't the case.

 

• Too hard to prove so have to live with it, it's part of the game now.
• Criteria to strict when presenting evidence so it discourages players to report it
• Meaningless punishments do not deter violators from doing it again
• Players want to help other friends by joining opposite side and then not trying
• Players can't compete with buyers or druggers so resort to other measures
• Players develop enemies in the game and like to sabotage their efforts to frustrate them for kicks
• Players are sabotaged and see nothing done about it so they retaliate and sabotage back
• Tanki prefers not doing anything meaningful about the problem because they benefit financially from it
• Tanki don't have the will to do anything meaningful about the problem
• Tanki don't want to discuss a negative subject and prefers to sweep it under the rug

Edited March 5, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[Rayyan 3,415]

Nub stole my tpoic.

[HaloScorpionV2 438]

xD

[BAUX_HERZOG_NEAPEL 99]

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT A GAME FULL OF HACKERS AND CHEATERS ! SHAME ON TANKI

[Cyborg 3,189]

Yea sounds fair enough

[Flexoo 6,980]

I meet this mult-inserting clans and take over teams on daily routine. If it was not for one thing I want to achieve I would already be gone, because the gameplay on this level (around my rank) offers minimum fun and joy :/.

[drazeruzumaki 5,021]

thank God i stopped playing

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I have encountered and reported so many cheaters and mults and hackers. Tanki does nothing.

I totally feel your frustration and understand where you're at. Forgive the English idioms but I fear we're flogging a dead horse and this dirty laundry certainly needs to be aired in public if it's to get better. Although we might think it, we should fall short of actually accusing devs or tanki of anything negative and we shouldn't insult them.

 

We play the game by choice, why, because we love it obviously and we make good friends along the way. We see the potential in it and on some days things can go really well and some days quite the opposite is true. But why do we have to put up with all the sabotage in TO. I'd love to name names but I know that would be overstepping the mark here in the forum. They know who they are.

 

A 10 v 10 game can quickly escalate to 15 v 5. That is to say 10 direct enemies and 5 mults (non triers), making battles virtually unwinnable.

 

So who are these non-triers. Is there anything tanki can do to detect when friends of friends join the opposite sides? Obviously there are times when friends play friends so detection would need to be smart. They have cheat detection so why not mult detection?

 

There are other solutions available too which would go a little way to help deter saboteurs from their misdeeds or at least make it difficult.

 

quick examples,

• violators that have successfully been punished have their gold box catches removed for a time
• they are not allowed to join the opposite side of existing friends for a month
• allow players to see how many friends a player has on the opposite side when you press tab.

These are simple yet effective measures that would be most welcome. If I knew that a player on my side has 4 friends on the enemy side, I'd question his motives. I may decide to quit that game and find one not so slanted.

 

The point is there is no shortage of simple measures to help us out so we must urge tanki to consider them (or develop their own ideas) and if they won't, the question begging is, do they care about fairness and justice?

 

We must all keep the pressure on or at least keep these subjects going. We shouldn't have to settle for anything less than fairness.

[FC_BayernMunchen 1,941]

I don't really see any of the issues you mentioned in the OP

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I don't really see any of the issues you mentioned in the OP

Well forgive me for not believing you. Come play with me and you'll understand soon enough.

ps, the kick2 topic is the most liked for no reason? Surely the community isn't imagining it all.

Edited March 2, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[george_ace 57]

I feel the same way, but if you make wise economic decisions in Tanki you can compete well with the best of them- all without drugging or buying crystals. I got my Firebird M1 fully MUd and MUd my Wasp M1 31 times as a Warrant Officer. During that time I could cream just about anything. Now the competition is harder, but with my Firewall Kit I can compete well against Colonels and Brigadier Generals. If you all make your decisions more carefully, you will stand a chance without having to buy or drug.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I feel the same way, but if you make wise economic decisions in Tanki you can compete well with the best of them- all without drugging or buying crystals. I got my Firebird M1 fully MUd and MUd my Wasp M1 31 times as a Warrant Officer. During that time I could cream just about anything. Now the competition is harder, but with my Firewall Kit I can compete well against Colonels and Brigadier Generals. If you all make your decisions more carefully, you will stand a chance without having to buy or drug.

I'm not concerned about drugging. It's the cheating and the sabotage. I've had 4 battles today. 3 of which suffered sabotage and mults. I'll leave the latest one public on my youtube channel for you to see (just occurred 10 mins ago).

 

Please come back a bit later in the year when you're closer to the pointy end of this game and tell us how you're getting on.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

News just in today
 

 

Well this is a welcome step and in the right direction too. This will help across all ranks but mainly at the lower end of the spectrum.

 

At Generalissimo level, we see clans who have big followings with players eager to join their ranks and get in their bad "good" books. I see players like this all the time coming in who are nowhere near as good as the clan players but will offer themselves willingly for mult/sabotage duty. There is no shortage of these types of players and they don't necessarily share the same ip.

 

Not to sound ungrateful, this is a welcome step as I say but will it get enforced? Very rarely do I see any type of message from a moderator or helper in a battle, maybe 1% of battles I go in but I doubt it's higher than that.

 

We do need more than this, but it's a start.

 

Discussion for that update can be found here.

Edited March 2, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[george_ace 57]

 

I'm not concerned about drugging. It's the cheating and the sabotage. I've had 4 battles today. 3 of which suffered sabotage and mults. I'll leave the latest one public on my youtube channel for you to see (just occurred 10 mins ago).

 

Please come back a bit later in the year when you're closer to the pointy end of this game and tell us how you're getting on.

I've had these problems too. I think my statement qualifies because I mainly fight Colonels and higher. Most of the tanks I have to fight against are M3s.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I've had these problems too. I think my statement qualifies because I mainly fight Colonels and higher. Most of the tanks I have to fight against are M3s.

I'm talking about sabotage, not difficulty of enemy.

[Moraine 5,877]

Just last week I PM'ed Ostrica whose answer to cheaters was "play shorter games." Then don't put 30 and 60 minute games as an option. 

Please do not misquote me - my answer was in relation to returning of lost funds, and I merely quoted a suggestion from tech support, nothing more. When it comes to your complaints, I don't have such experience at all, on either of my accounts, and I mostly play PRO battles that are 30 minutes long. I've encountered saboteurs only couple of times, to be honest. Sabotages do happen, I'm aware of that, but mults obviously target specific maps and formats. 

[Yele 3,982]

Dear players, this problem has been discussed too many times and we always come back to the topic. We  know the problem, and also I disagree with some parts; my experience taught me to see who are the mults so player that go in battle only to keep the place busy is different from players that go in only to spend 15-20 minutes of their time and they don't care about the final result.
Often the players complain that we don't do anything against the violators - I disagree because I know the stats regarding our work and effort to punish the violators.
As for teamkick, the one before was unfair, the improvements of it will be discussed and I hope approved as soon as possible. Your opinion is as always very important, thank you for your time

[joe123_Superman 430]

I have encountered and reported so many cheaters and mults and hackers. Tanki does nothing. Tanki LOVES cheating Russians ( and they all cheat) because it sells more crystals because the honest players buy them to try and compete with the cheaters. That does no good either as I have found out. Then if I complain it is my fault. Just last week I PM'ed Ostrica whose answer to cheaters was "play shorter games." Then don't put 30 and 60 minute games as an option. The devs are idiots, they can't even stop the lag and they don't care. I have probably lost 300K in battle funds because of crashes and Ihave contacted help@tankionline and they send a canned response "they can't refund battle funds." No, I bet they can't because they are told not to. I have begun telling mults to get out or I will record them and report them in the violator's section. Sometimes some of them leave but mostly not.

Tanki could be a fun game but it is a joke.  Maybe it is the best Russians can do seeing as they are a third world country at best. The biggest disappointment is that tanki just doesn't care what happens in their game. I think they are just here to make as much money as they can then move on to something else. Meanwhile, the customers suffer and tanki does nothing. Why doesn't tanki at least say something. In the vlog they could say " we are working on it" but they don't even have the simple courtesy to do that. Pitiful.

This happened to me when they said play shorter battles. The battle i was in was 15 minutes one... .-.

[bossman161 276]

If you joined this game around the same time as me, you were lucky to have arrived at a time when equipment kits were bargains and 50% sales were commonplace. I had designed my own spreadsheet which imported the information from wiki which in turn allowed me to micro upgrade my hulls, turrets and paints as cost effectively as possible, enabling me to have an m4 garage with a wide variety of fully upgraded paints for the lowest expenditure possible.

Aye...those were the days...remember Firebird being discounted at 90%?

lol..-sigh- What has happened to my beloved game I once knew...the one that exists now is a complete stranger...I just want my sweet game back the way it was.....

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

As for teamkick, the one before was unfair, the improvements of it will be discussed and I hope approved as soon as possible. Your opinion is as always very important, thank you for your time

This is welcome news and restores a bit of hope for the game's future. Happy players mean spending players. Money coming in means you can pay your server bills and hopefully turn a nice profit at the same time.

 

But a huge percentage of my battles are spoiled by players not caring as you say, deliberately not trying or otherwise or, as in one of the cases today, a player came in and was full on sabotage. Now this player is already serving a current ban so how is it possible he's doing that? What is the point of submitting the video when punishment is meaningless? Please do explain.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

I think the update coming soon will do good (the one about the power-leveling)

 

This is welcome news and restores a bit of hope for the game's future. Happy players mean spending players. Money coming in means you can pay your server bills and hopefully turn a nice profit at the same time.

 

But a huge percentage of my battles are spoiled by players not caring as you say, deliberately not trying or otherwise or, as in one of the cases today, a player came in and was full on sabotage. Now this player is already serving a current ban so how is it possible he's doing that? What is the point of submitting the video when punishment is meaningless? Please do explain.

As I think you stated in the kick2 topic, violators do get a mere slap on the wrist. I don't know about you, but I love playing is Noise, especially on the red team as I believe they have some advantage plus it suits my playing style better. However, while playing such battles I often find 2 things: Players using ramps as a place to either flip me, or to block me. The other thing I find is people trying to go on the stupid house, or actually managing to get on the house, and sitting there the whole battle. Though I don't know how they could fix the problem of people making an attempt to get on the house, they should at least solve the problem of the ones who DO manage to get up there, and all they would need to do is make tanks self-destruct when they climb on the house, simple. 

 

As also mentioned above, the lag. I don't know if anyone remembers, but this started 3 - 4 months ago (at least for me) They have said ever since then that they will fix it, but here we are still. Maybe I'm the stupid one, considering the amount of money I have spent in this time, but I think it is getting worse. 

 

Completely forget playing Poly CP, you will find your team half full of hornets and wasps, useless for that kind of battle.

 

As for the mammoth twins users, do you really have any fun using that kind of combo? In a map like Noise even, they're just cruising 'round, slow and hard to kill.

 

I know some of my text here is off - topic, but I would like to point out one more thing that I hate, and that should also be changed. The people running around calling themselves thing such as 'king', constantly telling others how bad they are, etc. Isn't this provocation? At least isn't it provoking if it's said constantly to the same person? Probably not, or one of the moderators will tell me it's not, so in the end, let me just say I hate every single one of you fools who does that. Because, who really gives a damn? Anyone?

Edited March 2, 2016 by P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R

[Yele 3,982]

Punishments for sabotage are divided into 2 steps:

1) the player is banned one day and kicked from the battle in real time from the moderator
2) Tech Support applies the punishments provided from the rules of procedure, for the first sabotage the player receives official warn, from 2 sabotage the account is blocked, the block depends on the amount of sabotage in karma and varies from 1 day to forever.

[george_ace 57]

 

I'm talking about sabotage, not difficulty of enemy.

I was referring to that.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

ExPunishments for sabotage are divided into 2 steps:

 

1) the player is banned one day and kicked from the battle in real time from the moderator

2) Tech Support applies the punishments provided from the rules of procedure, for the first sabotage the player receives official warn, from 2 sabotage the account is blocked, the block depends on the amount of sabotage in karma and varies from 1 day to forever.

Exactly like I said, IF they are caught, they get little punishment and will almost always do it again.