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[basenji7 1,199]

:mellow: ew math.

 

Not that I'm terrible at it, it just isn't fun. Why want to do something with a set correct answer, when you can deal with the abstract questions and concepts of reality when exploring philosophy and writing? :P You can't really be wrong when dealing in theory and opinion. :ph34r:  

Math is pure logic, even the dumbest of kid can do it without learning anything. The only subject which does not require anything to learn. What is there not to like?

That is literally only true at the most elementary levels of math pls

the point of math is not to find the "correct answer" it's to find the reasoning behind it, to find the millions of different ways to prove something, to see the beautiful connections in the most obscure of places, to find the "why" of it all, to experience the "aha" moment when you gain a valuable insight into a problem, to understand how everything fits together so perfectly, and to trudge through the complicated muddy mathematics only to emerge with valuable insight and knowledge

 

A classic example is e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. It seems simple enough, tying together e, i, pi, 1, and 0 - five of the most important concepts in mathematics. But when you look again you realize that that really isn't very instinctual. Why should this be? What does it even mean to raise a number to an imaginary power? And then of course you go google it and you realize you have to go deeper into some calc stuff which of course I don't know and you learn math more so you can actually understand it but I mean you don't yet but you want to because omg it's so simple but honestly a lot more complicated than it really should be but ugh it's great isn't it?

 

and of course I don't actually know anything but by some flaw of logic the universe has allowed me a glimpse into this beautiful and mysterious world and please don't trash talk math it highly irritates me maybe this is the flaw of attending public school idk 

 

Sorry, rant over not really but I'll stop k  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r: 

[LIMITFULL 1,793]

Math gets used only in 'Math Teacher's' Profesion .-.

Sorry Gabs, math is a basis for a lot of life.  Simple rules sometimes, hard rules other times, ... just need to learn them and figure them out.  But then the rest of the world gets based on rules too.  Languages and music both draw from math.  Sciences, computers, code can all be drawn from math and rules.  Find a way to get into it, relate it to something in RL that makes it interesting.  It will be important.  The specifics no, but the general problem solving skills -> YES!   Too many people go to work and just do what they are told.  We can all succeed when we learn about what we are doing, why we are doing it, does it make sense, are there problems in the way it is currently done, can we fix it ourselves, and if not, can we find the best manager or senior manager that cares enough to fix it like us AND has the ability to rally resources around a solution.

Succeed in math and succeed in life.  Taken from someone who has finished school.

 

Just found out yesterday that my nan died :( I'll post sth about her l8r

BitBan, so sorry to hear that news.  As you may remember, I just lost my mom 2 months ago.  It really sucks.  It may be hard now, but time passing helps.  Remember the good times, and believe that the person is in a better place, no pain and no worries.  And know they are still around watching over us.  Angels are everywhere... :ph34r:

[Tofu 6,773]

That is literally only true at the most elementary levels of math pls

the point of math is not to find the "correct answer" it's to find the reasoning behind it, to find the millions of different ways to prove something, to see the beautiful connections in the most obscure of places, to find the "why" of it all, to experience the "aha" moment when you gain a valuable insight into a problem, to understand how everything fits together so perfectly, and to trudge through the complicated muddy mathematics only to emerge with valuable insight and knowledge

 

A classic example is e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. It seems simple enough, tying together e, i, pi, 1, and 0 - five of the most important concepts in mathematics. But when you look again you realize that that really isn't very instinctual. Why should this be? What does it even mean to raise a number to an imaginary power? And then of course you go google it and you realize you have to go deeper into some calc stuff which of course I don't know and you learn math more so you can actually understand it but I mean you don't yet but you want to because omg it's so simple but honestly a lot more complicated than it really should be but ugh it's great isn't it?

 

and of course I don't actually know anything but by some flaw of logic the universe has allowed me a glimpse into this beautiful and mysterious world and please don't trash talk math it highly irritates me maybe this is the flaw of attending public school idk

 

Sorry, rant over not really but I'll stop k :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

Calculus ain't that hard, try to understand it

As for euler's identity(that's what it called) there must be a derivation for it. No one gives theorems out of the blue

[HAPPSHOT 2,029]

Sorry Gabs, math is a basis for a lot of life.  Simple rules sometimes, hard rules other times, ... just need to learn them and figure them out.  But then the rest of the world gets based on rules too.  Languages and music both draw from math.  Sciences, computers, code can all be drawn from math and rules.  Find a way to get into it, relate it to something in RL that makes it interesting.  It will be important.  The specifics no, but the general problem solving skills -> YES!   Too many people go to work and just do what they are told.  We can all succeed when we learn about what we are doing, why we are doing it, does it make sense, are there problems in the way it is currently done, can we fix it ourselves, and if not, can we find the best manager or senior manager that cares enough to fix it like us AND has the ability to rally resources around a solution.

Succeed in math and succeed in life.  Taken from someone who has finished school.

 

BitBan, so sorry to hear that news.  As you may remember, I just lost my mom 2 months ago.  It really sucks.  It may be hard now, but time passing helps.  Remember the good times, and believe that the person is in a better place, no pain and no worries.  And know they are still around watching over us.  Angels are everywhere... :ph34r:

 + with both your comments. + maths can be understood in any language and in any way. Thats its speciality

[PracticeParkourStunt 2,542]

What maths are you guys talking about? euler's identity? I haven't even learn that!

[basenji7 1,199]

Calculus ain't that hard, try to understand it

As for euler's identity(that's what it called) there must be a derivation for it. No one gives theorems out of the blue

Euler's identity comes from Euler's formula (e^ix = cos x + i sin x and when x = pi, cos pi + i sin pi = -1) which was proven using the Taylor series' for e^ix, cos x and sin x which is found using calculus

 

it's very cool

 

Yeah a lot of people say calc isn't that hard, idk though looks intimidating  :ph34r:

[Tofu 6,773]

Euler's identity comes from Euler's formula (e^ix = cos x + i sin x and when x = pi, cos pi + i sin pi = -1) which was proven using the Taylor series' for e^ix, cos x and sin x which is found using calculus

 

it's very cool

 

Yeah a lot of people say calc isn't that hard, idk though looks intimidating :ph34r:

Hence proved

[Banter 68]

I'm not back yet, just passing through :ph34r: :ph34r:

[Tofu 6,773]

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[Blackdrakon30 2,943]

@Blackdragon30 loveee youuu!! ^_^ and are you from Pakistan?

Nah, I live in the middle of the United States. 

 

Math is pure logic, even the dumbest of kid can do it without learning anything. The only subject which does not require anything to learn. What is there not to like?

Math is pure logic, but you need to know the rules. Why bother memorizing rules when you can just think, predict, and know? I would rather have Wisdom than sit around memorizing rules for procedures.

 

That is literally only true at the most elementary levels of math pls

the point of math is not to find the "correct answer" it's to find the reasoning behind it, to find the millions of different ways to prove something, to see the beautiful connections in the most obscure of places, to find the "why" of it all, to experience the "aha" moment when you gain a valuable insight into a problem, to understand how everything fits together so perfectly, and to trudge through the complicated muddy mathematics only to emerge with valuable insight and knowledge

 

A classic example is e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. It seems simple enough, tying together e, i, pi, 1, and 0 - five of the most important concepts in mathematics. But when you look again you realize that that really isn't very instinctual. Why should this be? What does it even mean to raise a number to an imaginary power? And then of course you go google it and you realize you have to go deeper into some calc stuff which of course I don't know and you learn math more so you can actually understand it but I mean you don't yet but you want to because omg it's so simple but honestly a lot more complicated than it really should be but ugh it's great isn't it?

 

and of course I don't actually know anything but by some flaw of logic the universe has allowed me a glimpse into this beautiful and mysterious world and please don't trash talk math it highly irritates me maybe this is the flaw of attending public school idk 

 

Sorry, rant over not really but I'll stop k  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r: 

Very true, math and/or science is one way that someone can see the patterns of the universe. Observation and reflection are another path, and they is the path I personally have chosen. Every person to their own. After all, it is about the journey.

 

And I attend public school too.  -_-  ;)  :P  :ph34r: 

Edited December 15, 2016 by Blackdrakon30

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[basenji7 1,199]

Nah, I live in the middle of the United States. 

 

Math is pure logic, but you need to know the rules. Why bother memorizing rules when you can just think, predict, and know? I would rather have Wisdom than sit around memorizing rules for procedures.

 

Very true, math and/or science is one way that someone can see the patterns of the universe. Observation and reflection are another path, and they is the path I personally have chosen. Every person to their own. After all, it is about the journey.

 

And I attend public school too.  -_-  ;)  :P  :ph34r: 

Lol nah I'm homeschooled

I assumed you guys were in public school (most people are) and that that was partly why you don't find math interesting (I've heard math is taught in a perhaps less optimal manner?) 

 

The thing is math shouldn't be about sitting around memorizing rules - it's being able to find out why the rules work and applying it to different things. Very rarely should you have to blindly memorize things. 

 

And of course writing and philosophy are important and very necessary (did you know that many of the earliest mathematicians were also philosophers? :P)

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[III.ExtremeTiger.III 412]

I got a B- in Maths (Year 9), but I couldn't even solve : x^2 - 12x +36 = 0

I tried to factorise... but I can't find 2 multiples of 36 which add to -12 lol :P :P :P :P

Edited December 15, 2016 by III.ExtremeTiger.III

[basenji7 1,199]

I got a B- in Maths (Year 9), but I couldn't even solve : x^2 - 12x +36 = 0

I tried to factorise... but I can't find 2 multiples of 36 which add to -12 lol :P :P :P :P

(x-6)(x-6)  :P

you have to consider negative numbers too  :lol: or else they feel sad  :(

[III.ExtremeTiger.III 412]

I'm so stupid... -6 + -6 = -12...

 

x^2 - 12x + 36 = 0

(x-6)(x-6)

Since this equation equals "0"  :

(x+6)(x+6)

Hence x = 6+1

x = 7. Whoever made this equation was the 7th reply to my post :P :P

 

Where did you guys get -6 from? :huh: :huh: :huh:

 

 

[Blackdrakon30 2,943]

Lol nah I'm homeschooled

I assumed you guys were in public school (most people are) and that that was partly why you don't find math interesting (I've heard math is taught in a perhaps less optimal manner?) 

 

The thing is math shouldn't be about sitting around memorizing rules - it's being able to find out why the rules work and applying it to different things. Very rarely should you have to blindly memorize things. 

 

And of course writing and philosophy are important and very necessary (did you know that many of the earliest mathematicians were also philosophers? :P)

 

:ph34r: My math programs at my nerdy school revolve all around finding the logic, and I'm not bad at it, I just mostly don't have time for it. Proving a fact but wasting an hour of my life isn't worth it imo.

 

I'm so stupid... -6 + -6 = -12...

 

x^2 - 12x + 36 = 0

(x-6)(x-6)

Since this equation equals "0"  :

(x+6)(x+6)

Hence x = 6+1

x = 7. Whoever made this equation was the 7th reply to my post :P :P

 

Where did you guys get -6 from? :huh: :huh: :huh:

 

 

-6 comes from:

(x + -6) times (x + -6) = x^2 - 12x + 36

 

Since if you put it in a box: 

 

             x      -    6

     :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:

x   :mellow: x^2   :mellow: -6x    :mellow: 

-    :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:

6   :mellow: -6x   :mellow:  36    :mellow: 

     :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:  :mellow:

 

x^2 -6x -6x + 36 = 

Edited December 15, 2016 by Blackdrakon30

[III.ExtremeTiger.III 412]

Since the equation = "0", doesn't it mean that the -6 turn into a +6?

Plus, someone can't have a -7th post :P :lol: :lol:

[GeeVuh 1,647]

Pls no mathz i haz enuf to do during zee day

[personia 4,036]

Also, the solution to the quadratic thingy is 6.

[Blackdrakon30 2,943]

(Insert lame statements about "Maths" being correct rather than "Math")

Smh nug. Time for some ranting .-.

 

"Math" is the more common abbreviation for "Mathematics" in the United States of America and in Canada, while "Maths" is the more common form in the UK, Australia, and pretty much any other English-speaking part of the world. I believe it is also translated to be "Math" from most other languages too. Not sure.

 

Anyways, both forms are grammatically acceptable. Similar to the difference between "Realize" and "Realise", both are grammatically correct, it just depends on what country you live in. The generally more correct version is "Math", because "Mathematics" is a mass noun. 

 

Short Grammar Lesson:

 

Nouns can be grouped in to these two types: Count or Mass

• "Count" nouns are singular, and then added into a plural form. For example, "Boy" is a count noun because you can add the "s" to make it "Boys".
• "Mass" nouns are plural, and you pretty much always cannot add or remove an "s".These are abstract concepts that cannot be divided into quantifiable amounts, such as "Bravery", "Music", and "Water"

Now, you may say, "Mathematics ends in the letter "S". So why isn't it a Count noun?" The thing to realize is that "Mathematic" isn't a word. Even further, "Mathematics" is an abstract concept that doesn't have amounts. You can't have multiple of it. Therefore it is a mass noun, but it just happens to end with an "S". Therefore, "Math" is the abbreviation is the more proper term, because "Mathematics" refers to a singular subject or the entirety of mathematics. "Maths" refers only to the entire of mathematics, as it is indisputably a plural word. "Math" can refer to singular or plural, and is therefore the more correct word to use.

 

 

So I know that you aren't actually going to change or anything, but respect my right to "math". Both are correct.  ;) 

#TRIGGERED

 

Sources:

 

 

• ​The English Language
• Logic
• http://grammarist.com/spelling/math-maths/
• http://grammarist.com/grammar/nouns/#Count_nouns_and_mass_nouns

 

 

Edited December 15, 2016 by Blackdrakon30

[BLASTER872 1,892]

Math is pure logic, even the dumbest of kid can do it without learning anything. The only subject which does not require anything to learn. What is there not to like?

I agree with basen. I used to be a semi math professor. I'm really good at it

 

That is literally only true at the most elementary levels of math pls

the point of math is not to find the "correct answer" it's to find the reasoning behind it, to find the millions of different ways to prove something, to see the beautiful connections in the most obscure of places, to find the "why" of it all, to experience the "aha" moment when you gain a valuable insight into a problem, to understand how everything fits together so perfectly, and to trudge through the complicated muddy mathematics only to emerge with valuable insight and knowledge

 

A classic example is e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. It seems simple enough, tying together e, i, pi, 1, and 0 - five of the most important concepts in mathematics. But when you look again you realize that that really isn't very instinctual. Why should this be? What does it even mean to raise a number to an imaginary power? And then of course you go google it and you realize you have to go deeper into some calc stuff which of course I don't know and you learn math more so you can actually understand it but I mean you don't yet but you want to because omg it's so simple but honestly a lot more complicated than it really should be but ugh it's great isn't it?

 

and of course I don't actually know anything but by some flaw of logic the universe has allowed me a glimpse into this beautiful and mysterious world and please don't trash talk math it highly irritates me maybe this is the flaw of attending public school idk 

 

Sorry, rant over not really but I'll stop k  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r: 

There are a lot of ways to prove things

 

You learn why and then it's so simple!

 

 + with both your comments. + maths can be understood in any language and in any way. Thats its speciality

Agreed! A person can show another person a theory and it's proof with barely any words!

 

Euler's identity comes from Euler's formula (e^ix = cos x + i sin x and when x = pi, cos pi + i sin pi = -1) which was proven using the Taylor series' for e^ix, cos x and sin x which is found using calculus

 

it's very cool

 

Yeah a lot of people say calc isn't that hard, idk though looks intimidating  :ph34r:

Calc isn't hard, I can explain derivative in 5 mins and sigma in 10

[GeeVuh 1,647]

All of you are wrong. This is the correct way to spell the word that you guys call "math".