In response to the forum team...

[hhgb 2,655]

What are you trying to hide by locking the topic? I didn't get a chance to explain how your system isn't working in 2016.

[spoiler ]Blocked the name so it isn't about a specific player (yet another dumb rule other websites don't have, but you need an excuse to lock topics).

 

 

 

I notice how in one of the last lines this user wrote I have to check the definitions, well I did before posting that and it isn't up to what you say it is.

 

You see a topic titled for example, "hi" and the post is the same thing. You would ban/warn that person for flood even though it's ONE topic. A pointless one but flood is flooding the page full of the same thing. You might lock it because it's pointless, but it has a point to say 'hi' which shows another flaw in your outdated system. 

 

If you just say 'trolling' it's too vague, the meaning of that word has been twisted over the past 12 or so years to the point where it can be anything. For example, two people are chatting and it goes like this:

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[Player 1] Hi mom

[Player 2] im not ur mom

[Player 1] Sorry mom

[Player 2] I SED I NOT UR MOM

[Player 1] Okay dad

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That example would be one form of trolling, it can also be compared to posting links to a rickroll (2008 anyone?) or other 'troll' things.

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[Player 1] (Youtube link, probably a rickroll)

[Player 2] OMG NOOB

[Player 3] stupid

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It doesn't seem rule breaking in any way because and it isn't, it's because no one knows the meaning of trolling anymore and how to identify it. I'm not saying that should be banned, but that's what it is.

Here is another which the game moderators would ban:

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[Title]: (swearing here with capslock)

: (swearing here with capslock)

{This would also be flooding most of the forum sections}

The players (and some moderators) would call the above a troll, but it's just an inappropriate flooder/flamer/case of expletive aggravation. Everyone calls aggravation a 'troll' thing, but those who are hired as professional trolls would classify those two as different things as they know the meaning. Sadly, most people here do not.

 

As for impersonation, by that I mean players pointing out what rules are broken in the same format every other thread, even if it's borderline and not rule breaking sometimes. IF A RULE IS BROKEN LET IT DIE THE NORMAL WAY, YOU DON'T NEED TO WRITE YOUR POINTLESS EXPLANATION FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S JOB.

 

I'm not sending this to the team via PM because I want the users of this forum to weigh in if the fear of them being moderated isn't here. We need a normal discussion about how this place is run, unless discussing rules isn't allowed, but that only happens in Soviet Russia, right? We can't improve without it and this place has been dead the past 4 years for a reason... we all know why.

 

If you move this topic to the damned "problems & solutions" area again to hide it from players, I'll post it here again after hiding that one.

Edited May 12, 2016 by hhgb

[r_Damn_Slow0 12,476]

[Resolved]

 

Please see → the last 2 posts ← of the topic for a quick recap, and the 2 before it for a more detailed review of the problem.

[GoldRock 6,165]

Obviously can't speak on behalf of the mods here, but the majority your post seems to be doing exactly that - it's full of assumptions of what mods would do or think in those situations you give. Maybe you don't intend it that way, but knowing a little about how they act in terms of their private and public operations, I don't think the mods would act in the ways you've said they would.

 

I would recommend you base your observations on facts rather than opinions of the moderation based on superstitions or past perceptions. For example, it would seem your topic was locked because you raised a point about moderation (in this case, players 'imitating' mods) and it was responded to by the moderators. Apologies if I'm not reading properly or something, but I'm struggling to see how this supports your point about the moderators trying to 'hide' stuff!

 

The moderation of this forum has improved so much over the past couple years. It's great that most players no longer hold such perceptions of the moderation, and I'd suggest you take another look with an open mind, too.

 

Plus, aside from the fact that these are your personal grievances rather than a topic for all of us, this topic really would be much more appropriate if you brought this up with the moderation administrators in private. They'd be able to deal with any complaints you have much better without all the sensationalism and drama of a public discussion, where rumours about how they work would be thrown around left right and centre.

 

I'm sure you'd appreciate a rumour-less conversation with the team you're addressing here, based on the facts of the matter that they can give you about their operations rather than hearsay?

 

Hope your issues are resolved somehow! Just remember: dialogue is the key to reaching understanding.

And a small pointer - you really didn't hide that name very well!

Edited May 12, 2016 by GoldRock

[hhgb 2,655]

 

 

Obviously can't speak on behalf of the mods here, but the majority your post seems to be doing exactly that - it's full of assumptions of what mods would do or think in those situations you give. Maybe you don't intend it that way, but knowing a little about how they act in terms of their private and public operations, I don't think the mods would act in the ways you've said they would.

 

Come on, we have tons of evidence around here of how they act, ask any regular long term and unbiased user, they can explain everything to you. That is if any of them other than me come out because you scare them away from saying what they see.

 

I would recommend you base your observations on facts rather than opinions of the moderation based on superstitions or past perceptions. For example, it would seem your topic was locked because you raised a point about moderation (in this case, players 'imitating' mods) and it was responded to by the moderators. Apologies if I'm not reading properly or something, but I'm struggling to see how this supports your point about the moderators trying to 'hide' stuff!

 

Once again, ask the players about how often moderators hide posts containing information about the team. For some reason discussion about how the place is run is banned, if we want to express our feelings about what's wrong here, let us do it.

 

The moderation of this forum has improved so much over the past couple years. It's great that most players no longer hold such perceptions of the moderation, and I'd suggest you take another look with an open mind, too.

 

The comment right above yours says the forum has gone downhill, and yet you say it has "improved so much over the past couple years."

Sometimes the dots don't line up in your favour, eh?

 

Plus, aside from the fact that these are your personal grievances rather than a topic for all of us, this topic really would be much more appropriate if you brought this up with the moderation administrators in private. They'd be able to deal with any complaints you have much better without all the sensationalism and drama of a public discussion, where rumours about how they work would be thrown around left right and centre.

 

I want other players to speak out, not your team which controls the discussion and can bend words how they want. We all need to show what we think is wrong for any of you to take attention anyways, my voice alone won't matter when speaking about 10 or more others.

 

I'm sure you'd appreciate a rumour-less conversation with the team you're addressing here, based on the facts of the matter that they can give you about their operations rather than hearsay?

 

They give us all the information they need through moderation notes, I've seen and been here long enough to tell apart from rumors. The place is run by Russians anyways, we all know how that goes for them.

 

Hope your issues are resolved somehow! Just remember: dialogue is the key to reaching understanding.

 

These aren't just my issues I'm sure we know by now, my opinion is shared with many others on here.

 

And a small pointer - you really didn't hide that name very well!

 

You're saying you would close a topic because there's a name attached to a quote? If I quoted the post it would stay open then?

Also, the name isn't legible so there you go.

 

Edited May 13, 2016 by hhgb

[lordmostafa 3,821]

You see a topic titled for example, "hi" and the post is the same thing. You would ban/warn that person for flood even though it's ONE topic. A pointless one but flood is flooding the page full of the same thing. You might lock it because it's pointless, but it has a point to say 'hi' which shows another flaw in your outdated system.

Oh you can't be serious. "But it has a point to say hi"? The forum moderator team rarely hands out warns for 1 topic only, usually it's only a verbal one in the closing post itself. There is no such flaw in the moderating system, your reasoning is flawed. (In case you don't remember, I was a forum moderator a while back, so I KNOW this is true.)

 

What Gold said about the presumed actions of moderators in certain scenarios is pretty good, so I'll leave it that way.

 

As for impersonation, by that I mean players pointing out what rules are broken in the same format every other thread, even if it's borderline and not rule breaking sometimes. IF A RULE IS BROKEN LET IT DIE THE NORMAL WAY, YOU DON'T NEED TO WRITE YOUR POINTLESS EXPLANATION FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S JOB.

Telling someone they broke a rule isn't impersonating, it's giving out information. If someone posted a topic that broke the rules, either he didn't know he did, or that he did it on purpose. If he didn't know, they these players are giving him info that what he did was not acceptable. How do you call that impersonating? I am pretty sure the guy you deliberately didn't cover his name very well explained quite clearly what impersonating is and what it isn't.

 

If you move this topic to the damned "problems & solutions" area again to hide it from players, I'll post it here again after hiding that one.

You speak about how your previous topic was closed unjustly, but then you come here with another topic full of accusations, rage and saying that you'll break rules and you expect them not to move/close your topics?

Edited May 13, 2016 by lordmostafa

[hhgb 2,655]

Oh you can't be serious. "But it has a point to say hi"? The forum moderator team rarely hands out warns for 1 topic only, usually it's only a verbal one in the closing post itself. There is no such flaw in the moderating system, your reasoning is flawed. (In case you don't remember, I was a forum moderator a while back, so I KNOW this is true.)

 

The flaw is that no other forum I'm in (I'm in about 5 others) and none of them close those kinds of topics. All of which are also more than twice as active that this place and have a larger staff. Compare yourself to the rest, you don't fit in and everyone stays away for a reason.

If it's spam they leave it there, no one will reply and it will die off without a moderator's intervention. We need some topics like this to keep a balance in here you know, no fun has been had here for the past 4 years! 

 

What Gold said about the presumed actions of moderators in certain scenarios is pretty good, so I'll leave it that way.

 

Telling someone they broke a rule isn't impersonating, it's giving out information. If someone posted a topic that broke the rules, either he didn't know he did, or that he did it on purpose. If he didn't know, they these players are giving him info that what he did was not acceptable. How do you call that impersonating? I am pretty sure the guy you deliberately didn't cover his name very well explained quite clearly what impersonating is and what it isn't.

 

One part of a forum moderator's job is to inform players of what rules they've broken. That kid took the job away from whatever team member would have come in. Clearly he wants to be a mod but you all seem to be on his side because he's pro-moderator and you don't want to lose your few supporters, don't you?

 

You speak about how your previous topic was closed unjustly, but then you come here with another topic full of accusations, rage and saying that you'll break rules and you expect them not to move/close your topics?

 

There's no rage in this topic, if any it's from you looking at what you've typed. I'm only expressing what the unbiased forumers would express if they didn't fear your team censoring their message and preventing a discussion. If there was a way for players to safely post their opinion on the forum moderation team you would see what we all think.

​The old topic was closed unjustly, I wanted a discussion not to send a message. If I was sending a message to a certain person I would have sent them a private message. Now that I think of it I should have made it a PSA instead of a discussion, maybe it would have struck some sense into those posters.

I never said I would break rules, I would close down my own topic and put it back where it belongs. There would still only be one in existence and the previous one wasn't moderated to begin with so no rules are broken.

Edited May 13, 2016 by hhgb

[lordmostafa 3,821]

The flaw is that no other forum I'm in (I'm in about 5 others) and none of them close those kinds of topics. All of which are also more than twice as active that this place and have a larger staff. Compare yourself to the rest, you don't fit in and everyone stays away for a reason.

If it's spam they leave it there, no one will reply and it will die off without a moderator's intervention. We need some topics like this to keep a balance in here you know, no fun has been had here for the past 4 years! 

Well, that's their business. Each forum has it's own set of rules based on the mentality of the creators. Tanki forum creators just want a more clean looking forum, that's all.

 

One part of a forum moderator's job is to inform players of what rules they've broken. That kid took the job away from whatever team member would have come in. Clearly he wants to be a mod but you all seem to be on his side because he's pro-moderator and you don't want to lose your few supporters, don't you?

No, really. It is a part of a moderators duty, but it's not limited to them. It's also a part of a moderator's duty to answer questions, but do you see anyone else stopping because they think they're impersonating a moderator? Some aspects of a moderator's work can be done by other people. These are just 2 examples.

 

here's no rage in this topic, if any it's from you looking at what you've typed.

If you say so :P

 

I'm only expressing what the un-biased forumers would express if they didn't fear your team censoring their message and preventing a discussion. If there was a way for players to safely post their opinion on the forum moderation team you would see what we all think.

That's where you're wrong. Do you mind showing me exactly where and when such an incident has occurred? (Moderators silencing players for saying what they think about the forum, in a respected manner, with constructive criticism).

And if you mean moderators actions, well, of course that is not allowed. That's allowed only in PM with the respective administrator. If there is a WHOLE bunch of you, I am more than certain Damn will provide his Skype to create a group to discuss it.

Edited May 13, 2016 by lordmostafa

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

DOes it mean moderation like pre moderation?

[Bydo 20,124]

well i'm only going to say a little bit on this topic.. as i read i can see both sides but for one there are issues ..

 

 

other then that i feel some of us see things different cause of the locations we are raised in for some and please feel free to correct me on this any time.. what i find is people living in areas say in Russia and other parts are raised with a military ruling and yet others like me who have only the rules our government puts out and most of all Canada is a free nation...

 

so i think what is ok in some parts of the world its not for others.. we need to come to agreement where both sides can work together..and for now ..

i can't see it.. i only see 2 rules ..

Edited May 13, 2016 by frozen_heart

[Maf 32,300]

[spoiler ]Blocked the name so it isn't about a specific player (yet another dumb rule other websites don't have, but you need an excuse to lock topics). 

Just because you covered my name does not change the fact that you are addressing a specific player. Especially now, since you're not just addressing a player, but publicly criticising the forum's moderation.

[LOLKILLERTOTHEDEATH 1,921]

?

 

Dayum, I've been outplayed.... Can't lock the topic now. Aww  -_-

You cant lock more topics for the day?

[hhgb 2,655]

Well, that's their business. Each forum has it's own set of rules based on the mentality of the creators. Tanki forum creators just want a more clean looking forum, that's all.

 

It isn't creating anything clean, it's messy if anything. A lot of the posts in the Off-Topic section belong in the General Discussion because they bring mention of the game. That pinned videos topic? Apparently it's for Tanki videos only but it's in the Off-Topic section out of all things where we should be talking of things other than the game. But if these topics weren't here it would be a ghost town as every other truly off-topic post is locked/hidden/merged for being too off-topic.

 

There's a great example in early/mid 2015 (http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=255216) where I recreated a topic of mine from 2013 (http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=172892). It was "Did you read the EULA?" which was a simple poll topic. Not much longer it was locked for having NO TOPIC AT ALL out of all things! I contacted the moderator who did it and kept pointing out the same thing. I brought in FBI and reasoned him to re-open it and let it die as any other topic by going inactive.

 

No, really. It is a part of a moderators duty, but it's not limited to them. It's also a part of a moderator's duty to answer questions, but do you see anyone else stopping because they think they're impersonating a moderator? Some aspects of a moderator's work can be done by other people. These are just 2 examples.

 

I'm going to focus on how this place isn't working correctly now, that post is locked and dead so I'll leave it until another case arises. 

 

If you say so :P

 

That's where you're wrong. Do you mind showing me exactly where and when such an incident has occurred? (Moderators silencing players for saying what they think about the forum, in a respected manner, with constructive criticism).

 

Way ahead of you.

I have a post here: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=305786 with an archive link to the thread (https://web.archive.org/web/20160131171359/http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=305786&p=5302943) before most posts were hidden for discussing moderation. All the players agreed too, this is another part to why we don't talk about how the place is run in fear of your team.

Edited May 13, 2016 by hhgb

[Maf 32,300]

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You cant lock more topics for the day?

No, he "censored" my name, so I can't say that the topic is about a specific player and lock it :D

 

Anyway, gotta read all this now. Wall of text from me coming later...

[hhgb 2,655]

By the way, it would be great for Cedric to ask the community for their opinions on the moderators as their image doesn't seem too nice at the moment. He's done his evaluation on how the place is run I've heard and he doesn't see anything wrong, but that's him and he's a single person who essentially runs the place.

If you're running say, a country, and people have issues about something in the place. Would you know of them? The people experiencing them would, but not always yourself. If the country prevents public speech about issues it wouldn't get known even further and how would anyone then know about it? Exactly what looks like is happening here.

[Maf 32,300]

 

You see a topic titled for example, "hi" and the post is the same thing. You would ban/warn that person for flood even though it's ONE topic

No, we wouldn't. A single flood topic from one user is worth hiding at most. A warning would be if that same user posts the same topic again after it was hidden, or purposefully posted numerous pointless topics in the first place. A ban usually comes after a warning if the user continues,to flood after being warned or if the user posted a seriously huge amount of flood right away and clearly had the intention of flooding, where the possibility of a glitch or being unaware of forum rules can be excepted.

 

We need a normal discussion about how this place is run, unless discussing rules isn't allowed, but that only happens in Soviet Russia, right?

I'll have you know that we precisely even have a topic titled Is it allowed to discuss the game rules and you may notice that it's still open. The last few pages in it are literally discussing the game rules, so (and I'm quoting Hazel here) that basically answers the question of public discussion of game rules. I suggest you read through that topic before jumping to conclusions and posting false assumptions on the forum.

 

If you move this topic to the damned "problems & solutions" area again to hide it from players, I'll post it here again after hiding that one.

What makes you think that moving something to P&S hides it from players?  :blink:  It's an open section just like off-topic and anyone is allowed to post there. I just don't see your logic here.

 

Here is another which the game moderators would ban:

Sure, obviously topics with swearing in them will result in a ban (in fact, depending on the situation we might even let someone off with a warning), but are you saying that we would ban for the other two examples? Heck no. If it's literally just that bit of conversation going on, then it's nothing but jokes or pranks. It's borderline provocation at most, but it's definitely not something that will be worth a ban. The only way someone can get banned for that is if they continue to annoy other players despite being told to stop, or if the video link they post is not a harmless rick-roll, but something inappropriate like a screamer video.

 

But why are you even explaining this? You originally mentioned trolling in your first topic when talking about players helping others and answering questions/posting links. So how on earth does THAT relate to trolling in any way? 

[werty8763 1,483]

@hhgb, I appluad you; it takes great courage to stand up against tyrants (and yes, the mods are tyrants -_-) but you did it.... :D

Thank you for speaking a piece of my mind.... :)

Oh, and yea, mods, start taking this seriously or the day will come when you will regret ignoring the countless complaints/warnings/etc. that we gave you.... <_<

The forum has REALLY gone downhill ever since I first joined tanki in 2013; I used to be able to freely create topics (that didn't break the rules ofc) without the fear of an unseen and all-powerful mod hiding/locking my topics.... ^_^

Now, all that has changed.... -_-

The forum has now become a form of Communism; the governmental mods control everything, and their word is law; we the enslaved people have no choice but to struggle to survive under their iron rule..... <_<

I think that the time has come for the common, ordinary tanker to have a voice on the forum, without the fear of being silenced by a ban given by a ruthless mod... -_-

 

All I'm saying is this: THE. MODS. HAVE. GONE. TOO. FAR. :ANGRY:

[Maf 32,300]

 

I want other players to speak out, not your team which controls the discussion and can bend words how they want. We all need to show what we think is wrong for any of you to take attention anyways, my voice alone won't matter when speaking about 10 or more others.

In other words, you don't care about mods' and admins' opinions and you just want to see opinions of people who agree with you and have the same point of view, namely other users, who violated rules and got punished for it in the past (and they think it wasn't fair). I think the guy above me is the perfect example of that :)

 

If that's the case, then why do we even bother trying to prove anything to you?  :D

 

[werty8763 1,483]

 

 

 

In other words, you don't care about mods' and admins' opinions and you just want to see opinions of people who agree with you and have the same point of view, namely other users, who violated rules and got punished for it in the past (and they think it wasn't fair).

 

If that's the case, then why do we even bother trying to prove anything to you? :D

 

No, not at all.... -_-

[hhgb 2,655]

No, we wouldn't. A single flood topic from one user is worth hiding at most. A warning would be if that same user posts the same topic again after it was hidden, or purposefully posted numerous pointless topics in the first place. A ban usually comes after a warning if the user continues,to flood after being warned or if the user posted a seriously huge amount of flood right away and clearly had the intention of flooding, where the possibility of a glitch or being unaware of forum rules can be excepted.

 

A single useless topic can't hurt anyone and is nothing more than a laughing at what the community makes of it because it's an unpainted canvas. Leave on of these topics open and we end up creating a topic of our own. It's nothing more than what will turn out to be good fun most of the time.

 

Also, can you define flood?

 

I'll have you know that we precisely even have a topic titled Is it allowed to discuss the game rules and you may notice that it's still open. The last few pages in it are literally discussing the game rules, so (and I'm quoting Hazel here) that basically answers the question of public discussion of game rules. I suggest you read through that topic before jumping to conclusions and posting false assumptions on the forum.

 

Tanki world records topic? I'll assume that was a mistake.

 

What makes you think that moving something to P&S hides it from players?  :blink:  It's an open section just like off-topic and anyone is allowed to post there. I just don't see your logic here.

 

I post all my topics in Off-Topic because this is where players look, when a topic is moved there no one clicks it because all anyone ever goes there for is for tech support, which your team does an alright job of.

No one would go there to discuss issues about the team because it's not expected to be there. The General section would even be more fitting out of all things. We have barely even found the problem and what's causing all of this among your team, we need to discuss what it is.

 

Sure, obviously topics with swearing in them will result in a ban (in fact, depending on the situation we might even let someone off with a warning), but are you saying that we would ban for the other two examples? Heck no. If it's literally just that bit of conversation going on, then it's nothing but jokes or pranks. I would barely even call that provocation, but it's definitely not something that will be worth a ban. The only way someone can get banned for that is if they continue to annoy other players despite being told to stop, or if the video link they post is not a harmless rick-roll, but something inappropriate like a screamer video.

 

Screamer videos aren't a part of trolling, they're meant to aggravate people and get others to hate. We usually laugh at trolls, some of the true ones (look back at cheap_plastic_flower and Contaminated) made great topics and forum members got excited to see their topics. The ones you call trolls (mkkmkk999 and latvian_killer) weren't trolls, but only flamers who aggravate players, but them and their alts got multiple bans for 'trolling' despite it not coming close. The true meaning has been bent too much, the word doesn't seem to fit the meaning anymore as it's so vague.

 

But why are you even explaining this? You originally mentioned trolling in your first topic when talking about players helping others and answering questions/posting links. So how on earth does THAT relate to trolling in any way? 

 

When I bring up one issues I take the chance to lay down more rather than make a separate post. I can't stand holding back all my opinions when I've had to put up with all of this so long. I'm only taking advantage of your attention and putting it all in one place, much easier than multiple topics at once.

Also, I can still contact latvian_killer if you need him. But I'm not sure he would want to talk on here anymore.

Edited May 13, 2016 by hhgb

[Maf 32,300]

Fixed link: Is it allowed to discuss game rules

 

And please just leave the aspect of trolling out of this. The only reason I pointed it our in the previous topic is because you labeled other users' helpful posts as trolling and flood, which is completely absurd:

 

Someone needs to re-define several words to the team, such as 'flood,' 'trolling,' and 'impersonation' because it doesn't look like they get it.

I don't need you to start giving me examples of actual trolling and swearing/insulting or other rule violations. I just want to know why you think that a post giving advice or answering a question is considered trolling or flood.

 

This topic is about discussing whether moderation is fair or not, right? Or is it just a place for you to complain about everything you think is wrong with mods? Like we said multiple times - complaints and appeals go in PM to the mod or admin, not in public topics on the forum.

[hhgb 2,655]

Fixed link: Is it allowed to discuss game rules

Interesting topic I haven't come across yet for some reason, but it isn't about one topic but multiple. Some question the game's legality in certain posts but others are about the rules. I can only hope this topic won't be merged there as it's a broad category and seems to be all over the place. 

 

But the meaning of it has been twisted so much I don't know what it is anymore, wish it was still going on.

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Fixed link: Is it allowed to discuss game rules

 

And please just leave the aspect of trolling out of this. The only reason I pointed it our in the previous topic is because you labeled other users' helpful posts as trolling and flood, which is completely absurd:

 

Trolling? it may be flood by your standards though because it doesn't seem to follow the definition.

 

I don't need you to start giving me examples of actual trolling and swearing/insulting or other rule violations. I just want to know why you think that a post giving advice or answering a question is considered trolling or flood.

 

I already said this earlier and also I'm not talking about that locked topic anymore, it's not going to be unlocked any time soon so why bother?

 

This topic is about discussing whether moderation is fair or not, right? Or is it just a place for you to complain about everything you think is wrong with mods? Like we said multiple times - complaints and appeals go in PM to the mod or admin, not in public topics on the forum.

 

I'm only saying what everyone thinks is wrong with the mods, I'm not the only one complaining.

Players are already applauding me for posting it publicly, I'm trying to prove to them that they can voice their opinions on this too.

 

 

In other words, you don't care about mods' and admins' opinions and you just want to see opinions of people who agree with you and have the same point of view, namely other users, who violated rules and got punished for it in the past (and they think it wasn't fair). I think the guy above me is the perfect example of that  :)

 

I don't want the opinions of a fanboy/girl who obsesses over the moderation team and agree with everything they say. Most users see your punishments as unfair anyways, go ask some and find one that doesn't

 

If that's the case, then why do we even bother trying to prove anything to you?   :D

 

I never asked you to prove anything, all I want is everyone's opinion to be heard and actual improvements to the forum done.

 

Edited May 13, 2016 by hhgb

[Maf 32,300]

OK, I'm sitting now looking a bit like this:

 

Like, what do you actually want to achieve from posting this topic. Changes in moderation? If so, what kind of changes? What is it you think is so wrong in what we do that you felt a need to post this and couldn't tell us in PM. In fact, why couldn't you just send me a PM and politely ask me to further explain my reasoning for locking the previous topic.

It's almost as if you posted this just to get attention from other players, who share your opinion. I mean... sure, I'm glad you're enjoying the fact that "players are already applauding" you for this, but that doesn't change the fact that posting false assumptions and criticism regarding moderators' actions is not allowed.

[hhgb 2,655]

OK, I'm sitting now looking a bit like this:

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Like, what do you actually want to achieve from posting this topic. Changes in moderation? If so, what kind of changes? What is it you think is so wrong in what we do that you felt a need to post this and couldn't tell us in PM. In fact, why couldn't you just send me a PM and politely ask me to further explain my reasoning for locking the previous topic.

 

If you want to know what's wrong it has already been explained in that topic I found earlier, so to save time I'll link it instead. Too bad it's compiled over several posts. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=308339 In that topic there is a bunch of things wrong.

 

As for changes, I just want the freedom of posting topics like in the old forums, but actually take care of swearing unlike back then and flamewars. Most of us left because you consider everything either flood or no-topic at this point. I want to post topics such as "Did you read the EULA?" and have them remain open. All the other forum-goers have similar thoughts, we just want fun.

 

I don't need your reasoning, it's because I needed a red square over the name and you wouldn't have had a reason. Even though other forums don't have a rule against making topics to bring up certain people... another way in which this place prohibits public discussions.

 

It's almost as if you posted this just to get attention from other players, who share your opinion. I mean... sure, I'm glad you're enjoying the fact that "players are already applauding" you for this, but that doesn't change the fact that posting false assumptions and criticism regarding moderators' actions is not allowed.

 

My assumptions aren't false, if everyone here thinks the same thing about your team and if it is false go tell it to all other forumers and convince them what they think is wrong. We aren't allowed to criticize your team? How else would you improve if that's the case? No wonder the players hate the team.

Also, there have been other players posting in this thread, are you looking at their posts too? This one looks like a contribution to the discussion.

well i'm only going to say a little bit on this topic.. as i read i can see both sides but for one there are issues ..

 

 

other then that i feel some of us see things different cause of the locations we are raised in for some and please feel free to correct me on this any time.. what i find is people living in areas say in Russia and other parts are raised with a military ruling and yet others like me who have only the rules our government puts out and most of all Canada is a free nation...

 

so i think what is ok in some parts of the world its not for others.. we need to come to agreement where both sides can work together..and for now ..

i can't see it.. i only see 2 rules ..

 

Edited May 13, 2016 by hhgb

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Whats happening in this topic?

[dilsharox 2,395]

I guess the forum has fallen behind in certain rules