In response to the forum team...

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

I guess the forum has fallen behind in certain rules

Exactly... -_-

Bydo · May 13, 2016

hhgb... thanks but they wont talk to me on topics like this ..cause they feel i provoke players

which is not true .. question for u? is it insulting to call a person younger then you a child .. no .... but i got warning for it ... remember..... i'am a customer i do not work for this company ..

even just the other day i found a post / topic which players in the past had been closed a number of times and were re directed to use the POTD and yet no matter how many times i mentioned to have it to be closed its still open.. so i do believe there is and always will be two sets or rules .. one we the players / customers have to go buy and another one which they use ..who knows what it is cause we have never seen it..

see i also feel that they are forgetting one major important thing is .. we are the customers who play this game and WE are the ones who if we want can choose to stay or leave .. i have not broken any rules according to Tanki on line head office... until i do i have full rights to stay and play and voice my opinion any way i feel freely to do so..

remember i have no intentions of provoking a fight or insulting anyone.. i'am just voicing what i personal feel and has happened to me in the past month..

Cyborg · May 13, 2016

Mafioso got many haters. :ph34r:

After reading all your posts. I come to a conclusion that it is kind of a 'rant' over here about Mafioso (who's name you didn't hide properly) for closing your topic about another rant which you did about players 'impersonating mods' which was also answered pretty well in the first post of that topic.

If you think the EN community Mod team has major flaws in it. Why don't you try to point out some reasonable suggestions instead of pointing out the flaws which most of us know IF they even exist.

Jabbering like this with no proper explanation of improvement is not worth IMHO.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Cyborg

Bydo · May 13, 2016

PhantomInferno i have nothing against him at all .. i was only posting what i felt was wrong ..how to change things .. this is not my place to really say only the CM job..which i have told him in pm that he long hard road ahead of him on fixing the issues with in this community and to wish him all the luck to get it resolved..

i fully understand we can't please everyone but there is issues that do need to be addressed and maybe some repairs can be done over time in getting this EN to work together with players / customers and staff untill then all we can do is let them know what is going on .. so they can figure out some way to fix it..

Mr.Cashier · May 13, 2016

Just liked the chat part xD.Those examples are funny :D

dilsharox · May 13, 2016

So basically you're blaming mods for everything that's happening here

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

Mafioso got many haters. :ph34r:

After reading all your posts. I come to a conclusion that it is kind of a 'rant' over here about Mafioso (who's name you didn't hide properly) for closing your topic about another rant which you did about players 'impersonating mods' which was also answered pretty well in the first post of that topic.

If you think the EN community Mod team has major flaws in it. Why don't you try to point out some reasonable suggestions instead of pointing out the flaws which most of us know IF they even exist.

Jabbering like this with no proper explanation of improvement is not worth IMHO.

If you think Mafioso has many haters, just ask around how many people hate @Issho_Fujitora.... <_<

He is a despised mod, particularly in the off-topic discussion section of the forum..... :mellow:

I personally don't hate him; I just don't like the fact that he is WAY TOO STRICT..... -_-

GoldRock · May 13, 2016

Come on, we have tons of evidence around here of how they act, ask any regular long term and unbiased user, they can explain everything to you. That is if any of them other than me come out because you scare them away from saying what they see.

I am a long-term user, and having been quite critical myself in the past I don't think I'm biased... (hence, it seems to me such an implication is slightly unfounded!).

Once again, ask the players about how often moderators hide posts containing information about the team. For some reason discussion about how the place is run is banned, if we want to express our feelings about what's wrong here, let us do it.

It's because a lot of the time, such discussion really isn't that constructive. Having fallen afoul of this rule as a player in the past, I understand where you're coming from, but (from experience) discussing particular members of the team hardly ever leads to progress. If you want headway to be made, you're much better off contacting the moderation administration directly. Surely you bother talking about what's 'wrong' because you care enough to want such progress, right?

The comment right above yours says the forum has gone downhill, and yet you say it has "improved so much over the past couple years."

I didn't say that... I said the moderation has improved so much over the past couple years. The forum and activity on the forum could be better for sure, and I've said as much elsewhere.

I want other players to speak out, not your team which controls the discussion and can bend words how they want. We all need to show what we think is wrong for any of you to take attention anyways, my voice alone won't matter when speaking about 10 or more others.

We ARE players. Players who've volunteered as Helpers around the forum, game, WIki, wherever. We just give up some of our time to give back to the community. Are you saying I should keep my mouth shut, just because I'm also a Helper (completely unconnected to the work of the mods, mind)?

They give us all the information they need through moderation notes, I've seen and been here long enough to tell apart from rumors. The place is run by Russians anyways, we all know how that goes for them.

Heh, most of the Helpers' administrators are not Russians. Chill with the 'military/Soviet Russia' theme, I'm actually British and a strong personal advocate of freedoms, transparency etc. Many moderators are of many different nationalities, and we all want this place to be as good as possible like you do, so it's both quite stereotyping and prejudiced to assume your issues are because of the 'Russian attitude' that you imply. And no, we're not brainwashed, either!

These aren't just my issues I'm sure we know by now, my opinion is shared with many others on here.

Well, these specific things appear to be issues put forth by yourself here, hence why I said your issues.

Also, I respectfully think you're a little 'stuck in the past'. Not many players share such opinions at all anymore. This is because the moderation system has improved and changed (I have been around and pushed for this to happen) - and now, fact is, moderators don't presently think or act the way you say they do. Times have changed, systems have improved dramatically (trust me, lots of work has gone into all staff groups for creating proper Codes of Conduct, creating systems to deal swiftly with any 'power abuse' etc.), mods aren't evil, let's move on!

You're saying you would close a topic because there's a name attached to a quote? If I quoted the post it would stay open then?

Also, the name isn't legible so there you go.

I'm not saying any of that at all, and I'm not sure where you read me saying that. All I literally said was you didn't hide that name very well, which I said in amusement because I could recognise the name after you'd tried to hide it. This appears to be a good example of where you're kinda making assumptions about how other people think, it would be good to base what you say on facts instead!

Anyways, good luck and have fun with taking this discussion further. As I said, I'm not a moderator so you should probably speak to those guys about their activities. After all, they'd know more about their own operations than I do!

If you think Mafioso has many haters, just ask around ... @Issho_Fujitora.... <_<

[further stuff about Issho]

Man, you really need to get to know these people on a personal basis. You raise Issho... well, he may seem like a 'tough cookie' on the outside (this doesn't mean his actions or the actions of any individual mod aren't fair), but deep down he's really just a big softy on the inside:

(subtle promotion of his Wiki article pls, it is really good xD)

...although he is also secretly evil, it's true:

Edited May 13, 2016 by GoldRock

personia · May 13, 2016

Guys, Darren linked me this topic and I actually do have an opinion on this one, I'm not back. Just passing through.

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Tbh, tl;dr.

Oh you can't be serious. "But it has a point to say hi"? The forum moderator team rarely hands out warns for 1 topic only, usually it's only a verbal one in the closing post itself. There is no such flaw in the moderating system, your reasoning is flawed. (In case you don't remember, I was a forum moderator a while back, so I KNOW this is true.)

What Gold said about the presumed actions of moderators in certain scenarios is pretty good, so I'll leave it that way.

Telling someone they broke a rule isn't impersonating, it's giving out information. If someone posted a topic that broke the rules, either he didn't know he did, or that he did it on purpose. If he didn't know, they these players are giving him info that what he did was not acceptable. How do you call that impersonating? I am pretty sure the guy you deliberately didn't cover his name very well explained quite clearly what impersonating is and what it isn't.

You speak about how your previous topic was closed unjustly, but then you come here with another topic full of accusations, rage and saying that you'll break rules and you expect them not to move/close your topics?

Um, firstly, everything is flawed, except for God. End of story. That includes the tanki mod team. I know, they might seem like Gods, but they're actually just humans.

Look, while there are many people who are helpful in the ways you have described in para. 2, there are also a bunch of twits who go around being... Well... Twits... So I dunno, maybe you're being a bit harsh? (Though I did see the first topic, and I somewhat agree.)

In this next quote, I'm the orange.

Oh you can't be serious. "But it has a point to say hi"? The forum moderator team rarely hands out warns for 1 topic only, usually it's only a verbal one in the closing post itself. There is no such flaw in the moderating system, your reasoning is flawed. (In case you don't remember, I was a forum moderator a while back, so I KNOW this is true.)

The flaw is that no other forum I'm in (I'm in about 5 others) and none of them close those kinds of topics. All of which are also more than twice as active that this place and have a larger staff. Compare yourself to the rest, you don't fit in and everyone stays away for a reason.

If it's spam they leave it there, no one will reply and it will die off without a moderator's intervention. We need some topics like this to keep a balance in here you know, no fun has been had here for the past 4 years!

Um, well, spam in the tanki system actually does push other topics down the list, thus wasting peoples time and forcing topics that are more relevant to die. Also, no fun in four years? No. You got that way wrong. I for one have had fun. I'm sure I could pull up about five (easily people) up from nowhere that have had fun. Plus the probably hundreds that I couldn't pull up.

What Gold said about the presumed actions of moderators in certain scenarios is pretty good, so I'll leave it that way.

Telling someone they broke a rule isn't impersonating, it's giving out information. If someone posted a topic that broke the rules, either he didn't know he did, or that he did it on purpose. If he didn't know, they these players are giving him info that what he did was not acceptable. How do you call that impersonating? I am pretty sure the guy you deliberately didn't cover his name very well explained quite clearly what impersonating is and what it isn't.

One part of a forum moderator's job is to inform players of what rules they've broken. That kid took the job away from whatever team member would have come in. Clearly he wants to be a mod but you all seem to be on his side because he's pro-moderator and you don't want to lose your few supporters, don't you?

Um, he has supporters? What is this, a presidential election? Also, it makes a mods 'job' easier. Given the fact that the mods aren't actually making ANY money, just crystals (which aren't worth ANYTHING in the real world), I think it's reasonable to have players making these answers. If I was a volunteer at an event (as an example), if somebody wanted to help me, I'd say sure. And if some other guy came up to them and started trying to stop him from helping (somewhat forcefully let's say), I'd probably knock the second guys block off.

You speak about how your previous topic was closed unjustly, but then you come here with another topic full of accusations, rage and saying that you'll break rules and you expect them not to move/close your topics?

There's no rage in this topic, if any it's from you looking at what you've typed. I'm only expressing what the unbiased forumers would express if they didn't fear your team censoring their message and preventing a discussion. If there was a way for players to safely post their opinion on the forum moderation team you would see what we all think. You would indeed. Now what is it that we all think again? Because we all share a collective hive mind... :\

The old topic was closed unjustly, I wanted a discussion not to send a message. If I was sending a message to a certain person I would have sent them a private message. Now that I think of it I should have made it a PSA instead of a discussion, maybe it would have struck some sense into those posters. The posters have sense, the people that flood useless topics do not. Don't try to mix the two. (Not saying your topic was useless, I'm saying the hi topics are useless).

I never said I would break rules, I would close down my own topic and put it back where it belongs. There would still only be one in existence and the previous one wasn't moderated to begin with so no rules are broken.

Good, don't break the rules. :D And good job for not breaking them.

Well, that's their business. Each forum has it's own set of rules based on the mentality of the creators. Tanki forum creators just want a more clean looking forum, that's all. Um, in some ways, I also have to agree with hhgb on this one. The tanki forum might be made as it is, sure. But players having opinions isn't wrong, and shouldn't be censored for stating those opinions. I mean, that's one of the reasons I haven't joined the official noob writing club (No offence, some of you are pro). Like, while it is a great idea, because it is set up by the writing team, It's gonna be biased towards saying positive things about the mods, tanki, and that stuff. Sharing a negative opinion can be quite refreshing every so often.

No, really. It is a part of a moderators duty, but it's not limited to them. It's also a part of a moderator's duty to answer questions, but do you see anyone else stopping because they think they're impersonating a moderator? Some aspects of a moderator's work can be done by other people. These are just 2 examples. As I stated above.

If you say so :P

I do. :P

That's where you're wrong. Do you mind showing me exactly where and when such an incident has occurred? (Moderators silencing players for saying what they think about the forum, in a respected manner, with constructive criticism).

And if you mean moderators actions, well, of course that is not allowed. That's allowed only in PM with the respective administrator. If there is a WHOLE bunch of you, I am more than certain Damn will provide his Skype to create a group to discuss it.

And that's where your wrong. While you don't state it exactly, it's implied by your comment. What is wrong with criticism that isn't constructive? I mean, sure, destructive criticism is generally wrong. But in some cases, whatever it is that is being criticised needs to be destroyed, and remade. Now while I'm not suggesting that the moderator system should be destroyed, there are some parts to it that sometimes have seemed a little dubious. Just sayin'.

Also, I could show you ten at least places where the mods have banned the wrong guy. But, I actually can't be stuffed looking through all the archives.

Just because you covered my name does not change the fact that you are addressing a specific player. Especially now, since you're not just addressing a player, but publicly criticising the forum's moderation.
As above, is there something wrong with him critisising you? I mean, I get it, you don't like critisism. But maybe you you could... and this is just an option... maybe, you could take the feedback on board? I mean, let's say for the purpose of this 'argument', hhgb is a completely untrustworthy brainless duck (clearly not the case). Even if we ignore what he has to say, there are still many other players who have passed off critisism to the mods because of things that are bad. I mean seriously, if everything you did was good, you would for all purposes, be equal to God. And that's just not possible.

Well, that's their business. Each forum has it's own set of rules based on the mentality of the creators. Tanki forum creators just want a more clean looking forum, that's all.

It isn't creating anything clean, it's messy if anything. A lot of the posts in the Off-Topic section belong in the General Discussion because they bring mention of the game. That pinned videos topic? Apparently it's for Tanki videos only but it's in the Off-Topic section out of all things where we should be talking of things other than the game. But if these topics weren't here it would be a ghost town as every other truly off-topic post is locked/hidden/merged for being too off-topic.

There's a great example in early/mid 2015 (http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=255216) where I recreated a topic of mine from 2013 (http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=172892). It was "Did you read the EULA?" which was a simple poll topic. Not much longer it was locked for having NO TOPIC AT ALL out of all things! I contacted the moderator who did it and kept pointing out the same thing. I brought in FBI and reasoned him to re-open it and let it die as any other topic by going inactive.

This is a note to all of you who are reading this nonsense of mine. This is where hhgb actually has a reasonable argument. I do remember that topic, and if what hhgb says is true, this is an example of crap moderating. No topic at all? I mean seriously... While it might be rediculous, because of course nobody ever has read the EULA, stating that the topic has no topic? Rot.

Also, I think that hhgb is somewhat right about the ghost town comment, given at least 50% of the topics have got some tanki related theme.

No, really. It is a part of a moderators duty, but it's not limited to them. It's also a part of a moderator's duty to answer questions, but do you see anyone else stopping because they think they're impersonating a moderator? Some aspects of a moderator's work can be done by other people. These are just 2 examples.

I'm going to focus on how this place isn't working correctly now, that post is locked and dead so I'll leave it until another case arises. *Gives thumbs up*

If you say so :P

That's where you're wrong. Do you mind showing me exactly where and when such an incident has occurred? (Moderators silencing players for saying what they think about the forum, in a respected manner, with constructive criticism).

Way ahead of you.

I have a post here: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=305786 with an archive link to the thread (https://web.archive.org/web/20160131171359/http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=305786&p=5302943) before most posts were hidden for discussing moderation. All the players agreed too, this is another part to why we don't talk about how the place is run in fear of your team.

Ah, there you go, he did it for me.

By the way, it would be great for Cedric to ask the community for their opinions on the moderators as their image doesn't seem too nice at the moment. He's done his evaluation on how the place is run I've heard and he doesn't see anything wrong, but that's him and he's a single person who essentially runs the place.

See! See?! What did I say. Crazy ducks DO sometimes have good ideas! :P
But seriously, why does the CM not do this? I mean, get legitimate answers from the customer to make the product better! That's genius!

If you're running say, a country, and people have issues about something in the place. Would you know of them? The people experiencing them would, but not always yourself. If the country prevents public speech about issues it wouldn't get known even further and how would anyone then know about it? Exactly what looks like is happening here.

This isn't a country, it's a business hhgb. WAY BIG difference.

No, we wouldn't. A single flood topic from one user is worth hiding at most. A warning would be if that same user posts the same topic again after it was hidden, or purposefully posted numerous pointless topics in the first place. A ban usually comes after a warning if the user continues,to flood after being warned or if the user posted a seriously huge amount of flood right away and clearly had the intention of flooding, where the possibility of a glitch or being unaware of forum rules can be excepted. This is actually a pretty watertight paragraph. Well done. Though it's probably because it's a fact, not an opinion.

I'll have you know that we precisely even have a topic titled Is it allowed to discuss the game rules and you may notice that it's still open. The last few pages in it are literally discussing the game rules, so (and I'm quoting Hazel here) that basically answers the question of public discussion of game rules. I suggest you read through that topic before jumping to conclusions and posting false assumptions on the forum. Um, please don't remind us of hazel... Also, is that a discussion of the rules, or a Q&A about the rules, because the two are very different things...

What makes you think that moving something to P&S hides it from players? :blink: It's an open section just like off-topic and anyone is allowed to post there. I just don't see your logic here. I think he's saying that the P&S area is somewhat more 'dead' than the off-topic area. Like the creativity area is for example.

Sure, obviously topics with swearing in them will result in a ban (in fact, depending on the situation we might even let someone off with a warning), but are you saying that we would ban for the other two examples? Heck no. If it's literally just that bit of conversation going on, then it's nothing but jokes or pranks. I would barely even call that provocation, but it's definitely not something that will be worth a ban. The only way someone can get banned for that is if they continue to annoy other players despite being told to stop, or if the video link they post is not a harmless rick-roll, but something inappropriate like a screamer video. Wait, you're telling me you might NOT BAN for swearing???? WHAT???? I mean, seriously, it's completely against the rules...

But why are you even explaining this? You originally mentioned trolling in your first topic when talking about players helping others and answering questions/posting links. So how on earth does THAT relate to trolling in any way?

Firstly, what is that? Secondly, if that is closing topics, you closed his topic. Case closed.

@hhgb, I appluad you; it takes great courage to stand up against tyrants (and yes, the mods are tyrants -_-) but you did it.... :D
wert, tyrants is going a bit far... Some of them may or may not be a bit 'power hungry', for lack of a better term.
Thank you for speaking a piece of my mind.... :)
:\ I hope your brain is okay...
Oh, and yea, mods, start taking this seriously or the day will come when you will regret ignoring the countless complaints/warnings/etc. that we gave you.... <_<
How? Like, really, how will they regret it? And also, given the fact that TX is gonna come out soon, do they care? They go and get jobs there with a bunch of new players and everthing starts over.
The forum has REALLY gone downhill ever since I first joined tanki in 2013; I used to be able to freely create topics (that didn't break the rules ofc) without the fear of an unseen and all-powerful mod hiding/locking my topics.... ^_^
Now, all that has changed.... -_-
But all that changed when the fire nation attacked... :D :D :D
The forum has now become a form of Communism; the governmental mods control everything, and their word is law; we the enslaved people have no choice but to struggle to survive under their iron rule..... <_<Or you could leave...
I think that the time has come for the common, ordinary tanker to have a voice on the forum, without the fear of being silenced by a ban given by a ruthless mod... -_-

I think they already do. The only problem is, mods seem to lose their ears... Or some do, anyways.

All I'm saying is this: THE. MODS. HAVE. GONE. TOO. FAR. :angry:
Damn. I was hoping they could get a pack of chips on the way.

In other words, you don't care about mods' and admins' opinions and you just want to see opinions of people who agree with you and have the same point of view, namely other users, who violated rules and got punished for it in the past (and they think it wasn't fair). I think the guy above me is the perfect example of that :)

Okay, woah woah woah. That may or may not be what he's saying, but I mean, my point still holds about not taking on criticism. While there are players who all agree with hhgb. There are also players like me (Not being full of myself), who are actually quite resonable, and even some (I know, shocj horror) who will defend mods.

If that's the case, then why do we even bother trying to prove anything to you? :D

Seriously? That's just flaming...

Also, I can still contact latvian_killer if you need him. But I'm not sure he would want to talk on here anymore.
Why does latvian killer care?

Fixed link: Is it allowed to discuss game rules

And please just leave the aspect of trolling out of this. The only reason I pointed it our in the previous topic is because you labeled other users' helpful posts as trolling and flood, which is completely absurd:

I don't need you to start giving me examples of actual trolling and swearing/insulting or other rule violations. I just want to know why you think that a post giving advice or answering a question is considered trolling or flood. Because some of it is. I mean, I used to see stupid topics come up (the hi topic being a classic example) and I would just make some stupid topic about mods closing it. SOMETIMES IT IS TROLL.

This topic is about discussing whether moderation is fair or not, right? Or is it just a place for you to complain about everything you think is wrong with mods? Like we said multiple times - complaints and appeals go in PM to the mod or admin, not in public topics on the forum.

It is? Not from what I've seen... It seems more like we're discussing fair moderating, not moderating being fair or right...

Interesting topic I haven't come across yet for some reason, but it isn't about one topic but multiple. Some question the game's legality in certain posts but others are about the rules. I can only hope this topic won't be merged there as it's a broad category and seems to be all over the place.

But the meaning of it has been twisted so much I don't know what it is anymore, wish it was still going on.

OK, I'm sitting now looking a bit like this:

Like, what do you actually want to achieve from posting this topic. Changes in moderation? If so, what kind of changes? What is it you think is so wrong in what we do that you felt a need to post this and couldn't tell us in PM. In fact, why couldn't you just send me a PM and politely ask me to further explain my reasoning for locking the previous topic.

Well one could ask the same question of you. What do you achieve by posting this? trying to get hhgb to stop? He clearly won't... Also, I have PMed a mod before, and the response I got back, I found somewhat rude... (This mod is amazing, please, I was nub, dont ben meh plis).

It's almost as if you posted this just to get attention from other players, who share your opinion. I mean... sure, I'm glad you're enjoying the fact that "players are already applauding" you for this, but that doesn't change the fact that posting false assumptions and criticism regarding moderators' actions is not allowed.

False assumptions? Where?
Also, this is my problem. If you don't allow for ANY criticism, you end up in a pile of stuff. That stuff being generally not nice stuff.

So as a finishing statement, I think I' pretty much called out half of tanki in that one post. The few things I would like to sum up for anyone wanting to post 'tl;dr':

Mods need to take criticism. While not all criticism is good, sometimes it actually helps. Just mull over that.
hhgb is not right about everything, however to say that he is wrong about everything is an ignorant comment.
This topic is just like many. It is turning into what mods dread, and players ~~really don't care about~~ fear... A spam topic. Please, do yourselves favours. Shut it off.
Flaming, trolling, spam and lots of other things are against the rules.
Finally, but definitely not the least important, the mods are only people. They are NOT God, Allah, Buddha, or whatever else you might pray to. They have no divine third illuminati eye... They are simple people, living a small parts of their lives as volunteers (As I outlined above, crystals actually have no resale value) and we live small parts of our lives as people who take part in the event. If this event is so important to you, I suggest you go and have a very long think about your life, m'kay?

Good day to you all, I hope you feel enlightened.

personia out!

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

All I every saw was Issho's evil side; he never once showed me his soft and mushy side.....never.....not even once..... -_-

Edited May 13, 2016 by werty8763

GoldRock · May 13, 2016

All I every saw was Issho's evil side; he never once showed me his soft and mushy side.....never.....not even once..... -_-

Man, what moderators do as part of their work doesn't make them evil. They have to do their jobs, and that includes closing topics as appropriate, banning players and so on. It sounds like you have a grudge against him based just on that!

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

Man, what moderators do as part of their work doesn't make them evil. They have to do their jobs, and that includes closing topics as appropriate, banning players and so on. It sounds like you have a grudge against him based just on that!

Oh no, not at all.... -_-

What made me mad was his hiding/closing topics/posts for NO REASON.... <_<

Believe me, I'll readily admit to the topics/posts that he closed/hid if they broke any rules; however, many (if not most) of my topics/posts did not break any rules..... :angry:

And I've read the rules more than once..... -_-

I know that they are doing their jobs, and there's nothing wrong with them doing their job; however, overstepping their boundaries to hide/close topics that do not break any rules..... :angry:.....that is just.........plain old mean..... -_-

I even suspect some mods to be biased, but I know none of them will admit it.... <_<

Edited May 13, 2016 by werty8763

Darren4Turbo · May 13, 2016

The moderators are not strict, they hide posts or topics if they break the game rules. Moderators work in Tanki Online and that's their job to keep the community organised.

As @personia said, while there are many people who are helpful in the ways you have described in para. 2, there are also a bunch of twits who go around being. Well, twits, so I don't know, maybe you're being a bit harsh? I would like to add @GoldRock's post as well, you really need to get to know these people on a personal basis.

Think about facts, @hhgb. I heard that you loved Tanki forum very much in 2012. There were lots of troll topics at that time and there were not enough moderators to clean the mess, and also the community was smaller, so rules were less strict. If moderators would hide "pointless" topics, then the forum would be dead, because there weren't many topics to start with.

I personally think that the forum this year is awesome, that's just my opinion.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Darren4Turbo

lordmostafa · May 13, 2016

And that's where your wrong. While you don't state it exactly, it's implied by your comment. What is wrong with criticism that isn't constructive? I mean, sure, destructive criticism is generally wrong. But in some cases, whatever it is that is being criticised needs to be destroyed, and remade. Now while I'm not suggesting that the moderator system should be destroyed, there are some parts to it that sometimes have seemed a little dubious. Just sayin'.

I said constructive criticism because that is the kind that leads to progress. Someone making a topic saying how unfairly they were banned or how the moderator team is flawed or has weakened over time, that is 'destructive' criticism. Because it doesn't help the issue at all, he didn't state why the moderator team is flawed (WITH proof), nor did he suggest ways to improve it. And even if he did point such issues out, it should be done in PM, with the admin. And again, if there are too much of you, I am sure Damn will provide his skype for further communication.

Maf · May 13, 2016

Mods need to take criticism. While not all criticism is good, sometimes it actually helps. Just mull over that.

I never said that we don't take any criticism. If I did, then I must have phrased it wrong. What I said is that we do not allow public criticism of what we do, because any topic or post that does that results in a series of hateful comments and speculations where all the mod-haters hop onto the hate train and start posting all the random things that they aren't satisfied with about what a mod (or mods) did.

Any criticism and suggestions are welcome, but only in PM. If you think that a mod made a mistake or was being unfair, send them a PM to discuss it and maybe you'll be able to compromise. We all make mistakes and most of the time such issues are simple misunderstandings. If talking to the moderator directly does not work, then you can contact the admin (DS, in this case) and resolve the conflict that way. Either way posting something like this publicly never yields any positive results and only starts a flame war, which this topic pretty much turned into. After this I don't have much else to say about the matter.

joostcool · May 13, 2016

hhgb, I have read like 80% of this topic now and I get a strong sense that you have only 1 mindset and you will never change your mind. You are not open for a proper discussion, instead anything that mods say is "twisting your words". Also, you will not listen to mods fanboys. What if they make a true statement? You are only open to critisism given on forummods. That has even gotten to the point where forummods are 'evil'. Your topic gives me the idea that you're trying to take down a completely corrupt political system.

Just stop for a minute and try to look with an actual objective view, because yours has become far off.

I as an eSports Official do not moderate the forum like these guys do, but I am very close to forummods and I also take part in discussions regarding forum moderation. Your "deliberate corruption" is truly off, trust me on that. Also any other player that reads this, they are not trying to make your life worse, they are really trying to make the forum a better place. I don't think that deserves you guys making their lifes worse, they are just doing their job! I can see that personally, since I am so close. I can see you are a bit upset because your topic got closed, but that in fact favours my point of view. Who's view can be trusted more?

1. The non-forummodder who is really close to forummods and sees every action they make and occassionally takes part in their discussions

2. The upset player that found his topic closed, who is not close to forummoderation at all and makes his statements merely based on his own observations.

@hhgb, I appluad you; it takes great courage to stand up against tyrants (and yes, the mods are tyrants -_-) but you did it.... :D
Thank you for speaking a piece of my mind.... :)
Oh, and yea, mods, start taking this seriously or the day will come when you will regret ignoring the countless complaints/warnings/etc. that we gave you.... <_<
The forum has REALLY gone downhill ever since I first joined tanki in 2013; I used to be able to freely create topics (that didn't break the rules ofc) without the fear of an unseen and all-powerful mod hiding/locking my topics.... ^_^
Now, all that has changed.... -_-
The forum has now become a form of Communism; the governmental mods control everything, and their word is law; we the enslaved people have no choice but to struggle to survive under their iron rule..... <_<
I think that the time has come for the common, ordinary tanker to have a voice on the forum, without the fear of being silenced by a ban given by a ruthless mod... -_-

All I'm saying is this: THE. MODS. HAVE. GONE. TOO. FAR. :angry:

You should definitely become a bookwriter.

I guess we both know you're exaggerating there. I have no clue what you are talking about.. "ordinary tanker to have a voice"?? I am quite sure "ordinary tankers" (I prefer to call them players, just like I am and just like my colleagues in the forummoderation are) do have a voice.

hhgb... thanks but they wont talk to me on topics like this ..cause they feel i provoke players

which is not true .. question for u? is it insulting to call a person younger then you a child .. no .... but i got warning for it ... remember..... i'am a customer i do not work for this company ..

even just the other day i found a post / topic which players in the past had been closed a number of times and were re directed to use the POTD and yet no matter how many times i mentioned to have it to be closed its still open.. so i do believe there is and always will be two sets or rules .. one we the players / customers have to go buy and another one which they use ..who knows what it is cause we have never seen it..

see i also feel that they are forgetting one major important thing is .. we are the customers who play this game and WE are the ones who if we want can choose to stay or leave .. i have not broken any rules according to Tanki on line head office... until i do i have full rights to stay and play and voice my opinion any way i feel freely to do so..

remember i have no intentions of provoking a fight or insulting anyone.. i'am just voicing what i personal feel and has happened to me in the past month..

Lelz, I am a customer too, I'll tell you that I spent some of my money on Tanki as well :D I, and the forummods are customers like you as well. However, we, as customer decided to voluntarily (it is NOT a job, we are not getting paid money) work to make this a better place.

So stop distincting customers from customers who are even willing to do more for Tanki, instead, group together and make this a better place together. (oh btw, making this a better place does not work by going against forummods, but by working alongside them :) )

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

You should definitely become a bookwriter.

I guess we both know you're exaggerating there. I have no clue what you are talking about.. "ordinary tanker to have a voice"?? I am quite sure "ordinary tankers" (I prefer to call them players, just like I am and just like my colleagues in the forummoderation are) do have a voice.

Ah yes, they have a voice; problem is that most of the time, they are silenced by a ban or what they post is censored (hidden).... -_-

Amateur · May 13, 2016

Ugh, why do you guys make so much out of the Tanki. It is just a game, enjoy it, save your other feelings for real life. All I see is bunch of players discussing a "game" which have no effect on our lives. Throughout my life, I only saw people 'playing' games not discussing its forum -_-

Plus that, the best thing about online games is that No One can do anything to you. Lets say a mod banned you, how will that affect your life? Wanna talk? There are a lot of social sites out there where you can't get banned. Who needs chatting in tanki?

Edited May 13, 2016 by Amateur

Bydo · May 13, 2016

joostco instead, group together and make this a better place together. (oh btw, making this a better place does not work by going against forummods, but by working alongside them :) )

wow ... after 2 1/2 years decided to voluntarily working along side with mods in forum and in chat and they don't even acknowledge what i have done for them or others .. let see where can i start to say i started to help besides the open chat room / i helped answer players questions along with helping FBI in the music and helping in the birthday section.... and your telling me that all i do is make this game a rotten place to be when i have put time into this place and what did i get for it .. lets see last July a mod telling me iam to old and i don't have any rights to play this game and then last month another mod plus your posting stating i should change my ways and make this place a better place.. give me a break... how much more can i do .. oh yea act like a mod and that would get me banned .. have i applied to be one yes i have and was turned down as chat mod.. which i understood why due to only speaking one language .. but i know the game way more and could talk to players 10x better then some mods...

so do i still help some times more for lower ranks... so for the others and you know, there are many others who help and what do we get nothing ..i have never seen any mod / admin / or even the CM past or present acknowledge any of the players hard work or time we put into this game to make your job's easier so you can spend more time playing with other mods in games...do we get any crystals for our time no.. but you do..

i'am not provoking anyone just stating a fact...

Amateur · May 13, 2016

joostco instead, group together and make this a better place together. (oh btw, making this a better place does not work by going against forummods, but by working alongside them :) )

wow ... after 2 1/2 years decided to voluntarily working along side with mods in forum and in chat and they don't even acknowledge what i have done for them or others .. let see where can i start to say i started to help besides the open chat room / i helped answer players questions along with helping FBI in the music and helping in the birthday section.... and your telling me that all i do is make this game a rotten place to be when i have put time into this place and what did i get for it .. lets see last July a mod telling me iam to old and i don't have any rights to play this game and then last month another mod plus your posting stating i should change my ways and make this place a better place.. give me a break... how much more can i do .. oh yea act like a mod and that would get me banned .. have i applied to be one yes i have and was turned down as chat mod.. which i understood why due to only speaking one language .. but i know the game way more and could talk to players 10x better then some mods...

so do i still help some times more for lower ranks... so for the others and you know, there are many others who help and what do we get nothing ..i have never seen any mod / admin / or even the CM past or present acknowledge any of the players hard work or time we put into this game to make your job's easier so you can spend more time playing with other mods in games...do we get any crystals for our time no.. but you do..

i'am not provoking anyone just stating a fact...

You do good stuff cuz you are a decent person, cuz you know thats the right thing to do. Don't care about how mods or admins see you, the most important thing is how you see yourself and be glad about yourself :)

Edited May 13, 2016 by Amateur

DragonOfStorms · May 13, 2016

@hhgb, I appluad you; it takes great courage to stand up against tyrants (and yes, the mods are tyrants -_-) but you did it.... :D

Thank you for speaking a piece of my mind.... :)

Oh, and yea, mods, start taking this seriously or the day will come when you will regret ignoring the countless complaints/warnings/etc. that we gave you.... <_<

The forum has REALLY gone downhill ever since I first joined tanki in 2013; I used to be able to freely create topics (that didn't break the rules ofc) without the fear of an unseen and all-powerful mod hiding/locking my topics.... ^_^

Now, all that has changed.... -_-

The forum has now become a form of Communism; the governmental mods control everything, and their word is law; we the enslaved people have no choice but to struggle to survive under their iron rule..... <_<

I think that the time has come for the common, ordinary tanker to have a voice on the forum, without the fear of being silenced by a ban given by a ruthless mod... -_-

All I'm saying is this: THE. MODS. HAVE. GONE. TOO. FAR. :angry:

Sorry, werty, but I laughed at parts of this. "we the enslaved people have no choice but to struggle to survive under their iron rule....." That's just too funny.

Anyway, as a forum user I'd like to throw my opinion out here. About the "hi" topic, I don't want that cluttering up the forum. I don't care that it might 'become something useful', as @hhgb said. By that reasoning, we shouldn't close ANY topics, because they might be useful someday. Please. I have never really had any troubles with the moderation. The one time I was warned for trolling, I deserved it. While my post was intended to be an innocent joke, it is obviously provocative.

Oh, and no, I'm not afraid to 'speak my mind'. I'm not afraid of getting 'censored'. I'm also not sucking up to the staff because I want a staff position, or because I have some fanatical loyalty to them. In fact, I will probably never hold a staff position in TO. In TX? Maybe, but it isn't likely. I don't have the time.

Edit: I do think that the 'have you read the EULA' thread shouldn't have been closed. I don't think it breaks any rules. but did anyone contact the mods and see if it could be brought back?

Edited May 13, 2016 by DragonOfStorms

lordmostafa · May 13, 2016

Edit: I do think that the 'have you read the EULA' thread shouldn't have been closed. I don't think it breaks any rules. but did anyone contact the mods and see if it could be brought back?

He mentioned in his post that he talked with FBI and he unlocked it.

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

Edit: I do think that the 'have you read the EULA' thread shouldn't have been closed. I don't think it breaks any rules. but did anyone contact the mods and see if it could be brought back?

That's the thing; I have several topics that were closed because of inactivity, and when I asked a mod to restore them, he said he couldn't, without even giving a reason why.... -_-

That kind of behavior just irks me so much... <_<

Edited May 13, 2016 by werty8763

DragonOfStorms · May 13, 2016

He mentioned in his post that he talked with FBI and he unlocked it.

Ah, somehow I missed that. Thanks!

That's the thing; I have several topics that were closed because of inactivity, and when I asked a mod to restore them, he said he couldn't, without even giving a reason why.... -_-

That kind of behavior just irks me so much... <_<

Because they were closed for inactivity... they are supposed to do that, it's not like they were randomly hiding topics...

werty8763 · May 13, 2016

Because they were closed for inactivity... they are supposed to do that, it's not like they were randomly hiding topics...

Oh, not the closing part; that's all good.... ;)

But, the restoring part.... -_-

He said "we can't restore the topic, sorry" without even giving an explanation.... <_<

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