Further explaination on the paints and module system

[DeathByBoss 104]

They said that they just started working on it in that episode, so I'm assuming maybe it'll be implemented at the end of... summer?

[DeathByBoss 104]

Cooper note that the premium paint and other special paints give protection from EVERYTHING. So will the premium paint be seperated into a Henda-module and a gold paint? (Btw an 11 sided shape is srsly called a "hendagon"

[Schroedinger_Cat 38]

What I tried to say there was that I think having a 4 module paint won't be a big advantage. In big maps, there will be a big variety of turrets against which none of the paints fully protect and in small maps the chances are slim that the enemy team will use exactly the 4 turrets your paint protects against.

But I guess it's just a matter of opinion whether you think it will give a big advantage or not.

More options = advantage. What you are trying to do is looking for certain situations when the 4-protection paint is not better. But there are many, many games. In some (and the amount is not negligible) 4-protection paints will give an advantage. It is quite common that in 8-9 player teams there are not more than 4-5 different turrets.

 

 

An example to show what I meant here: I bought Smoky m3 when I was a Marshal. Before that I had Smoky m0. I bought Smoky m1, m2 and m3 at once, thus paying the full price of all the modifications (394400 crystals), while only ever being able to use m3. 

Now any Marshal with Smoky m0 can just buy Smoky m3 without having to pay for the modifications in between, thus saving many crystals (125800 crystals). And that's only for one piece of equipment.

You are probably playing for years. I bet you already got many m3 turrets and hulls. When I reach the gissimo acount, you will have a great advantage over me, despite the fact I can buy m3 equipment cheaper. However, this change in game mechanics did not block any possibility for you. The new module system, in its current shape, will block certain possibilities for new players. That is a huge difference.

 

Moreover, developers of most games make "chasing" old players easier at some point. It motivates both, old and new players to continue playing. Old players want to keep the advantage, new ones want to reduce it.

 

 

As for that MU update, it was only beneficial to the players that had upgraded one parameter of a certain piece of equipment. For players that micro upgraded (close to) nothing and players that micro upgraded all the parameters, the update wasn't beneficial.

It is almost true. The update was beneficial also to those who upgraded 2-3 parameters. In a long run, it was also beneficial only to those, who had m3 equipment already (yes, the update increased parameters of lower modification equipment, but eventually you will use m3's only, right?). I doubt that old players did not buy any MUs. Buying all MUs was possible, but unlikely. Thus, old players with m3 equipment benefited most. Which was my point.

 

 

Excellent point, but keep in mind that as time goes on, the amount of players owning a 4 protection module will decrease.

What does it matter? The overall amount of players might decrease as well.

 

As for your suggestion, nothing about the update is set in stone yet. Hopefully they will find a way to make this update as fair as possible to everyone.

Well, when the update is set stone, it will be too late for anything. I hope game devs read this topic.

 

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Please use 'quote" button. It makes reading easier.

 

They said that they just started working on it in that episode, so I'm assuming maybe it'll be implemented at the end of... summer?

In the latest V-LOG they said that they are already at the testing stage. Which means they implemented everything and are looking for flaws or are working on interface.

[CooperO 7,956]

Cooper note that the premium paint and other special paints give protection from EVERYTHING. So will the premium paint be seperated into a Henda-module and a gold paint? (Btw an 11 sided shape is srsly called a "hendagon"

I do not know what will happen to paints like premium paint, we will have to wait for the release of the update to see.

 

It's called a hendecagon btw.. :ph34r:

 

 

 

Like I said before, it's a matter of opinion whether you think the 4 protection modules will give an advantage over the 3 protection modules. I think it won't make a big enough difference for players to get an advantage in battle. I could be wrong of course, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what the developers come up with and what the effects will be on the game play.

On a side note: I haven't been able to change the way you think about it, nor have you been able to change the way I think about it. Lets just agree to disagree, shall we?..;p

 

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

I seem to be very slow on this it is all new to me on paints!  Is it being said that the paints in my garage, that I have paid for will no longer operate in the original way or against the turrets I selected protection for?  That all the micro updates will be void?

[Schroedinger_Cat 38]

On a side note: I haven't been able to change the way you think about it, nor have you been able to change the way I think about it. Lets just agree to disagree, shall we?..;p

 

I am fine with it. However, if it was about changing only our way of thinking, we would just send PM to each other. I hope I changed the way of thinking of some people who read this.

 

 

Like I said before, it's a matter of opinion whether you think the 4 module protections will give an advantage over the 3 module protections.

From a mathematical point of view, having the same options + some extra ones gives an advantage. And it is not a matter of personal opinions.

 

Now, the advantage might be bigger or smaller. I do not have statistical data to state if the advantage is big or small, but I have the right to be concerned. And here I agree to disagree, because you don't have the statistical data, which means we both have only personal opinions.

 

Can you tell me if TO developers read this topic or how can I pay their attention to this problem? Making them aware of the problem is all I want. I hope they will wokr out a fair solution then.

Edited July 4, 2016 by Schroedinger_Cat

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

I seem to be very slow on this it is all new to me on paints!  Is it being said that the paints in my garage, that I have paid for will no longer operate in the original way or against the turrets I selected protection for?  That all the micro updates will be void?

No, the MUs will be there & protect against the same turrets but the numbers will be equalised.

 

E.g, Before update:

Lumberjack: 45 45 45 15

 

After update: 37 37 37 37

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

No, the MUs will be there & protect against the same turrets but the numbers will be equalised.

 

E.g, Before update:

Lumberjack: 45 45 45 15

 

After update: 37 37 37 37

So, someone may have bought a specific paint to protect against a particular turret and under the new system, that particular protection will be diminished?

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

So, someone may have bought a specific paint to protect against a particular turret and under the new system, that particular protection will be diminished?

Yes, so everything would be 'balanced' and have the same numbers. We shall see when the new update hits, but i think it will be terrible.

 

For 3 module paints like Zeus, I don't think there will be much changes...

Edited July 5, 2016 by Phoenix.Rising

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Yes, so everything would be 'balanced' and have the same numbers. We shall see when the new update hits, but i think it will be terrible.

 

For 3 module paints like Zeus, I don't think there will be much changes...

I have Prodogi and was about to buy other paints with 4 and some with 3.  I am very glad that you informed me because I am not happy.  I am even more unhappy about the on screen information system that is proposed.  I bitterly resent the present profiles being available.  It is an invasion.  Having instant access to other players performance, mu, life ect is not only over the top it will ruin the game, much of which is bluff and educated guess all which ads to the suspense.  It like all the map guides and how to play.  No one these days learns by their own mistakes everything is offered on a plate.  People get things far too easily and then they get bored.  They do not need to work for anything.  I have already noticed the change in playing styles.  So I looked around and saw all of these guides and they are being followed parrot fashion by many players now.

 

I do not look forward to these changes at all.  I will wait and see. They may well loose this paying player!

[CooperO 7,956]

Can you tell me if TO developers read this topic or how can I pay their attention to this problem? Making them aware of the problem is all I want. I hope they will wokr out a fair solution then.

One of the developers, regularly visits our forum. Apart from that, our community manager @Cedric Debono always keeps an eye on our forum. He is able to communicate with the developers about anything going on.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

Is emerald paint going to get weaker? I will quit if that's the case, as my hornet already gets wrecked unless I drug.

[DeathByBoss 104]

Is emerald paint going to get weaker? I will quit if that's the case, as my hornet already gets wrecked unless I drug.

As is the playstyle with light hulls. Change to viking or hunter if ur having problems.

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

First of all, I'm completely clueless to how this works, so I have one (possibly stupid) question:

Is it possible to buy Zeus, Prodigi and Emerald and then merge them into Zeus? For example, making Zeus 50% Fire protection, 46% Rail protection and 46% Thunder protection? Then puttin Zeus' other modules into another paint? Sorry if this sounds stupid, I'm just so confused.

[CooperO 7,956]

No, but after the update, you should be able to pick any three protections you like and put them into one 3 protection module. The paints you currently own will be transformed into modules with the same turret protections you had in the paint (not sure if the percentages will change or not).

Example:
You have Prodigi now, after the update you'll have a module with protection against Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird.

 

You want protection against Firebird, Railgun and Thunder, after the update you buy three protections and put them together in a module. This gives you a 3 module protection.

 

 

 

No, the MUs will be there & protect against the same turrets but the numbers will be equalised.

 

E.g, Before update:
Lumberjack: 45 45 45 15

 

After update: 37 37 37 37

According to 's post, this won't be the case. He says that 4 protection modules will keep their current protections and will only be upgradable to their current level. Moreover, he states that NEW modules will have the same level of protection against all the turrets in the module. He doesn't say that this will also happen to the current protections you have.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

No, but after the update, you should be able to pick any three protections you like and put them into one 3 module protection. The paints you currently own will be transformed into modules with the same turret protections you had in the paint (not sure if the percentages will change or not).

Example: 

You have Prodigi now, after the update you'll have a module with protection against Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird.

 

You want protection against Firebird, Railgun and Thunder, after the update you buy three protections and put them together in a module. This gives you a 3 module protection.

I bought Prodogi because it had a potential which I achieved being fully maxed of 50% against Rail gun and have 43% against Thunder, 29% shaft, 10% firebird.  Anything less than 505 against Railgun and this paint will be absolutely useless to me as it was the very reason I bought it and spent money on MU. 

 

If they nurfed it I would then have to purchase another pain with a potential 50% against Rail.  This will be the second time my equipment will have been ruined, shaft being the first, necessitating abandonment a starting afresh with a new turret.   People spend very good money or and work very hard to gain the necessary crystals to purchase what they feel is best for their need and circumstances.  It is completely out of order and morally wrong for Tanki to continually reduce the effectiveness of some thing that someone has bought, especially if it was bought with real money.  This could not happen in any other industry because their are laws protecting the consumer.  If I buy a 500+HP Porsche and take it in for a service they cannot de tune it to 300HP.  I could sue them! 

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

You have to understand Cooper only talks the party line and intentionally talks in circles that mean nothing. That is the tanki way.

It has not gone unnoticed!

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

No, but after the update, you should be able to pick any three protections you like and put them into one 3 protection module. The paints you currently own will be transformed into modules with the same turret protections you had in the paint (not sure if the percentages will change or not).Example:You have Prodigi now, after the update you'll have a module with protection against Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird. You want protection against Firebird, Railgun and Thunder, after the update you buy three protections and put them together in a module. This gives you a 3 module protection. According to 's post, this won't be the case. He says that 4 protection modules will keep their current protections and will only be upgradable to their current level. Moreover, he states that NEW modules will have the same level of protection against all the turrets in the module. He doesn't say that this will also happen to the

current protections you have.

Wait, so if I want 50% against Twins, Fire and Isida, I just buy a paint protection of 50%?

 

Or pluck it from my current Zeus & Rock to rearrange them?

 

I'm confused now...

Edited July 6, 2016 by Phoenix.Rising

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

I do not think that he knows.

[Aachu_Turbo_GTO 1]

I'm assuming that the paints/module prices will be slashed in half right? So say you buy forester paint for 250 and the mono-module with protection against rail for 250 because the forester paint before the update is 500. Otherwise we have a major financial issue at hand

Bro, what you said is either right or , listen to this: like CooperO said, i think the PAINT will not be slashed into half, cause it is only for looks. so I

guess we'll get a 90% off for Paints and the rest 10% off for the MODULES cause that makes sense right?  

[Schroedinger_Cat 38]

Apart from that, our community manager @Cedric Debono always keeps an eye on our forum. He is able to communicate with the developers about anything going on.

Um... you didn't calm me. Cedric's eye is blind.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

Changing the paints is a terrible idea in my opinion because it changes the character of the game. Everyone knows what zeus, emerald or tundra are and people save up specifically to get them because of the unique protections they offer (and the way they look).

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Changing the paints is a terrible idea in my opinion because it changes the character of the game. Everyone knows what zeus, emerald or tundra are and people save up specifically to get them because of the unique protections they offer (and the way they look).

Exactly so.  It is just a money making operation in the short term, they can not see further than short term gain.  What they fail to see, what they have always failed to see is the longer term.  They fail to, or just do not care about trust and the complete lack of trust many players have with Tanki.  They do dot understand just how corrosive an atmosphere that lack trust can be. They just ride right over the top of wide spread opinion and carry on what may.  Then when they have acted on what ever decision that the have mad against opinion they cut short any further debate.  Threads are closed, moderators stone wall!  They never go back or admit any shortcomings.  What happens then?  Experienced players many of whom have spent a lot of money just drift away.  Less experienced players don't tend to hang on either.  Numbers have dramatically declined, the number of servers have shrunk. Just look at servers so many are empty or just hardly any playing in them.

Edited July 6, 2016 by ELIZABETH1122

[CooperO 7,956]

I bought Prodogi because it had a potential which I achieved being fully maxed of 50% against Rail gun and have 43% against Thunder, 29% shaft, 10% firebird.  Anything less than 505 against Railgun and this paint will be absolutely useless to me as it was the very reason I bought it and spent money on MU. 

 

The protections you currently have (Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird) will not change after the update. You will still be able to upgrade it to 50%, 43%, 29% and 10% respectively. The update will not change this. The only thing that will change for the Prodigi paint (and any other paint with 4 protections), is that you will have a 4 protection module (with Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird upgradable to 50%, 43%, 29% and 10%) and a paint without any protection (coating that gives your tank a pixelated grey look, in other words: the look of Prodigi). You will be able to equip your 4 protection module and any paint you like, since these two will be separated from each other after the update.

 

Long story short: your Prodigi paint won't become useless, you will not lose your protections, nor your micro-upgrades, nor the ability to micro-upgrade Prodigi to the current maximum.

 

 

Wait, so if I want 50% against Twins, Fire and Isida, I just buy a paint protection of 50%?

 

Or pluck it from my current Zeus & Rock to rearrange them?

 

I'm confused now...

You cannot rearrange protections you currently have. If you have Zeus now, you will have a module with Firebird, Freeze and Smoky (all upradable to 50% like they are now) and a shiny blue paint with lightning bolts.

A 3 protection module looks like this (taken from V-LOG 93):

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

The protections you currently have (Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird) will not change after the update. You will still be able to upgrade it to 50%, 43%, 29% and 10% respectively. The update will not change this. The only thing that will change for the Prodigi paint (and any other paint with 4 protections), is that you will have a 4 protection module (with Railgun, Thunder, Shaft and Firebird upgradable to 50%, 43%, 29% and 10%) and a paint without any protection (coating that gives your tank a pixelated grey look, in other words: the look of Prodigi). You will be able to equip your 4 protection module and any paint you like, since these two will be separated from each other after the update.

 

Long story short: your Prodigi paint won't become useless, you will not lose your protections, nor your micro-upgrades, nor the ability to micro-upgrade Prodigi to the current maximum.

 

 

You cannot rearrange protections you currently have. If you have Zeus now, you will have a module with Firebird, Freeze and Smoky (all upradable to 50% like they are now) and a shiny blue paint with lightning bolts.

A 3 protection module looks like this (taken from V-LOG 93):

Thank you for troubling to explain things!  It is appreciated.  I care not for looks except for stealth or just to look like every other tank to confuse.  I play mainly DM. 

 

So my other paints that have 3 protections that are maxed out at the moment.  After the update, they will stay the same but I will be able to max out to 50% against each criteria?  I have Graffiti, Rustle and Spark they will each be able as a 3 system to be upgraded to 50% against the 3 turrets each is assigned for?  Which is greater than original except for graffiti which can go up to 50% on all 3 counts anyway.

 

I really believe that Tank should not leave it up to the Moderators to take all the flack.  They should prepare adequately and explain properly.  They need better PR because all this doubt and uncertainty is very destabilizing for players, we do not know how t will affect us and wether to keep investing or not.  It makes us very angry and many are not that happy as it is with Tanki anyway.   Some players might just walk away and yet it could be from misunderstandings on top of everything else!  They need to communicate more effectively.

Edited July 6, 2016 by ELIZABETH1122