" [Declined] and [Accepted] "

[snipe3000 678]

Have you ever realized that once the reviewing moderator says accepted or declined and gives a reason, all of the players after can only see that side of the debate? An example

 

 

I think that the moderator who is reviewing the topic should simply say declined and send a Pm to the owner of the topic. I know, Once you read this you are thinking, "My inbox will get filled too quickly". To avoid that, simply delete the PM after you send it. It would still come up as a notification for the receiver as a PM but the receiver could not respond and the sender would not have to see the message after it is sent. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see, the idea would take, what, 1 minute extra to cut what you would write in the comment, start a PM, paste the explanation and create a title which moderators can pre-decide on. A few Ideas are:

" [Declined/ Under Review] 'Delete Micro Upgrades' "

"Your idea: 'Delete Micro Upgrades' "

Or simply 

" 'Delete Micro Upgrades' "

The title would depend on the length of the idea's title.

 

 

This would allow the discussions in an idea to remain open and for the players to come up with their own pros and cons of an idea, not just say, I agree with "reviewing moderator". 

 

Please consider this as a possibility and also, go to other ideas to see what I mean with the one sided discussion.

[Maf 32,328]

I was thinking of doing that, but in addition to the fact that it will increase the time needed to process each idea, it won't even help solve much. Even just the tag "Declined" in the title or first post puts people off and makes their opinion biased. But I'm pretty sure that without me posting or changing anything, the idea will still get similar responses because, well, the idea is bad. I mean, do you actually think that the ideas I decline could have a different discussion without my post? People would still end up posting the same arguments leading up to the same result.

 

If you think that my explanation for declining an idea isn't correct or should be changed in some way, just quote my post and state your point of view on that matter. I'll check and consider it.

[snipe3000 678]

 

 

If you think that my explanation for declining an idea isn't correct or should be changed in some way, just quote my post and state your point of view on that matter. I'll check and consider it.

No, it is not that. All I am saying is that, while even the tag of declined might bias a topic, it would allow more free discussion and/ or add-ons. I mean, let's say that there was a topic that got declined about removing hammer because it was too powerful, you post, "Declined. Removing hammer would affect gameplay and many other aspects of the game. If the developers were to remove any weapon, players would complain and it would effect game economy."  Then people will say, " I second that" or, "As stated above, removing hammer would effect game economy" because of the "mod must always be right" idea that some players have. If you simply wrote declined then started a PM with the explanation in it, the discussion would be more free and people might come up with the idea of, "Removing hammer would be a horrible idea. Maybe, instead of removing hammer, they should drop its parameters by 1% or whatever amount they want and then play with it from there." 

 

After you get that comment, people might add on to it and get a good idea out of a bad idea.

 

Before you give up on my idea, maybe just try it for a few ideas, not the horrible ones which you want to delete, but some N/A ideas and see how the discussion goes.

 

I think your reasoning for putting a topic under review or declining it is very justified. I just feel that too many players would rather follow a mod by saying, "as so-and-so said…" rather then come up with their own reply, leading to a one sided discussion that will lead to no where.

[Maf 32,328]

Before you give up on my idea, maybe just try it for a few ideas, not the horrible ones which you want to delete, but some N/A ideas and see how the discussion goes.

The thing is, we only decline an idea if it's horrible. Anything that may sound stupid but has the slightest chance of being added to teh game - we keep it "under review".

 

 I mean, let's say that there was a topic that got declined about removing hammer because it was too powerful, you post, "Declined. Removing hammer would affect gameplay and many other aspects of the game. If the developers were to remove any weapon, players would complain and it would effect game economy."  Then people will say, " I second that" or, "As stated above, removing hammer would effect game economy" 

And if I didn't post that explanation, the second reply would probably say the exact same things that my reply would have been. I mean, I could try it but I don't see why there would be a difference...

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

The thing is, we only decline an idea if it's horrible. Anything that may sound stupid but has the slightest chance of being added to teh game - we keep it "under review".

But before you put a tag for some idea (for which there is at least a small chance to realize) you're probably first asking the developers before you put a tag?

[snipe3000 678]

But before you put a tag for some idea (for which there is at least a small chance to realize) you're probably first asking the developers before you put a tag?

Most likely not for all. All of the Planned ones are developer approved.

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

Lol nice example xd

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

Hey i'm in the first picture: ) :D

[Maf 32,328]

But before you put a tag for some idea (for which there is at least a small chance to realize) you're probably first asking the developers before you put a tag?

No, I tag ideas which definitely won't be added to the game. Unfortunately I can't verify that with developers, but if you look at the ideas I decline - the reasons why I decline them are just logical and the rejection doesn't really need confirmation from developers. 

[DageLV 940]

Well. No bad idea.

He says Why declined and if he does, all is okay.

If he have to send you PM, longer time to consider each idea and that means you are pretty lazy if you cant veiw your topics by yourself.

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

No, I tag ideas which definitely won't be added to the game. Unfortunately I can't verify that with developers, but if you look at the ideas I decline - the reasons why I decline them are just logical and the rejection doesn't really need confirmation from developers. 

But again there is still a small theoretical possibility that developers will implement something in the game (if they agree with that) even if you already put Decline tag?

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

The funny part here is that you went through the trouble of making an alt named "ReviewingMod" and ranked it up to Gefreiter just for this.

[Maf 32,328]

The funny part here is that you went through the trouble of making an alt named "ReviewingMod" and ranked it up to Gefreiter just for this.

And an even funnier thing is that if an actual mod comes across that account, the name will be blocked for being inappropriate :D

[Cyborg 3,189]

IMO, reasons given by moderators before declining or accepting do not bias the replies that are going to be posted further off. Its just a logical reasoning done by them which THEY think we create issues and further the Idea isn't suitable. Other players are still free to express themselves, also many times the posts by moderators act as an eye opener for many newbies who don't know such stuff about it.

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

And an even funnier thing is that if an actual mod comes across that account, the name will be blocked for being inappropriate :D

hhhh that would be hilarious! :lol:

[lordmostafa 3,821]

And an even funnier thing is that if an actual mod comes across that account, the name will be blocked for being inappropriate :D

The funniest thing is that you don't consider yourself an actual mod.

[Cyborg 3,189]

The funniest thing is that you don't consider yourself an actual mod.

Well, I think he meant when a Chat Mod Comes accross it :p

[snipe3000 678]

The funniest thing is that you don't consider yourself an actual mod.

That is one of the only funny things I have heard here.

 

Lol nice example xd

 

Hey i'm in the first picture: ) :D

Right before I made this topic I viewed that one and saw the discussion.

 

Well. No bad idea.

He says Why declined and if he does, all is okay.

If he have to send you PM, longer time to consider each idea and that means you are pretty lazy if you cant veiw your topics by yourself.

The response of the moderator in a topic allows all to see and many people only say, "Yeah, I agree with so-and-so" and that it just about how it goes. The PM would allow players to discuss it by them selves without only seeing the moderator's post and saying they that agree.

[snipe3000 678]

But again there is still a small theoretical possibility that developers will implement something in the game (if they agree with that) even if you already put Decline tag?

Mafioso only declines ideas if there is no possibility of implementation whatsoever. If there is any chance of implementation, it will be marked "Under Review".

 

The funny part here is that you went through the trouble of making an alt named "ReviewingMod" and ranked it up to Gefreiter just for this.

I have fun making lower accounts. In fact, after I made that one, because I knew it would be blocked sooner or later, I made another account. :D

 

And an even funnier thing is that if an actual mod comes across that account, the name will be blocked for being inappropriate :D

Um, that will happen, seeing as how the name is IN this topic right now. So why is it funny?

 

hhhh that would be hilarious! :lol:

Again, why is it funny? I made that account knowing it would get blocked sooner or later.

[snipe3000 678]

IMO, reasons given by moderators before declining or accepting do not bias the replies that are going to be posted further off. Its just a logical reasoning done by them which THEY think we create issues and further the Idea isn't suitable. Other players are still free to express themselves, also many times the posts by moderators act as an eye opener for many newbies who don't know such stuff about it.

Many times nobody cares enough to respond their actual feeling to the idea after reading the moderator's post.

[Maf 32,328]

But again there is still a small theoretical possibility that developers will implement something in the game (if they agree with that) even if you already put Decline tag?

Yes there is, but it's VERY unlikely. Although it did happen before and one of the best examples of that happening is Premium accounts, where a mod rejected the idea and it was added to the game a few months later.

[Hex 11,522]

I was thinking of doing that, but in addition to the fact that it will increase the time needed to process each idea, it won't even help solve much. Even just the tag "Declined" in the title or first post puts people off and makes their opinion biased. But I'm pretty sure that without me posting or changing anything, the idea will still get similar responses because, well, the idea is bad. I mean, do you actually think that the ideas I decline could have a different discussion without my post? People would still end up posting the same arguments leading up to the same result.

 

If you think that my explanation for declining an idea isn't correct or should be changed in some way, just quote my post and state your point of view on that matter. I'll check and consider it.

I agree.

 

 

 

:ph34r:

 

 

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

Although it did happen before and one of the best examples of that happening is Premium accounts, where a mod rejected the idea and it was added to the game a few months later.

Yes, probably this post

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Yes there is, but it's VERY unlikely. Although it did happen before and one of the best examples of that happening is Premium accounts, where a mod rejected the idea and it was added to the game a few months later.

OK Maf, I got ya.

 

Yes, probably this post

I got it ok