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[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

Has anyone ever tried recording 5 minutes of footage, whilst playing a game, then editing it, and then having to wait for it to upload onto Youtube, all so a guy that ruined your match can have action taken against them? 

I'm here to play Tanki, not moderate and record those out to sabotage the game. Don't get me wrong, if someone is persistent enough, then of course i'm going to record them and get a thrill out of seeing them banned for a period, but my gripe is the /vote command is pointless. Does it work? Do Tanki receive notifications from it? Do moderators monitor it? It would be so much easier if moderators could enter a game and see the action for themselves when a /vote command is sent, rather than having the current system where it's the players that have to police the game. 

Edited June 21, 2016 by AlbaGuBrath1

[applications 993]

Hi

First I want to correct you on one point, you are not allowed to edit the video which is for reporting.

 

About the vote command, it is working of course and we do receive notifications.

Listen please, atleast 25% of the players in the battle need to vote a player in order to get moderators notified. So sometimes it's just not possible to respond to all the reports.

 

I hope you understand us !

SO your saying even if the video is 3 hours long you cant shorten it? ._.

[Maf 32,300]

SO your saying even if the video is 3 hours long you cant shorten it? ._.

You can shorten it to 5 minutes. He means that visual editing isn't allowed, like adding visual effects: blurring parts of the screen, adding shapes and similar stuff.

 

In fact, it doesn't even have to be 5 minutes. Your video will be accepted as long as it clearly shows 100% proof that the person you are reporting is breaking rules. If you record someone constantly pushing you into a corner or trying to flip you for a minute or two, then it should be enough for a ban. But if you report with a 10 second video of someone pushing you off a cliff once - that does not prove that the person did it on purpose and is trying to ruin your game.

 

Proving sabotage is quite easy. The 5 minute minimum is usually for reporting inactive players (mults), who are purposefully not playing to take up a spot. Since it's allowed by rules to have a 5 minute break in a battle (hence why the pause time is 5 minutes), then showing that someone is paused for less than 5 minutes does not prove that the player is not playing on purpose.

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

I do understand that you can't edit it. This isn't my first rodeo. A game is 15 minutes long, at least, and i'm not going to upload anything more than 5 minutes of footage, so I would edit it to the correct length. I didn't post this thread to be patronised in the comments. 

Also, to require 25% of players to /vote a saboteur is a bit much. A lot of saboteurs choose specific players to harass, so other players don't bother /voting. 

And i'm glad that you don't think it's a big issue to record a five minute video, but the method/software/computer i use to record, cut, and upload to youtube would require sitting about for over an hour waiting for it to process. I don't understand why you're saying 'of course /vote works' considering I use it as instructed, but nothing happens. I've been playing Tanki for over 2 years and I have a number of commander accounts, and I have never once had a moderator enter a game because someone has used /vote. 

[Maf 32,300]

The /vote command isn't particularly effective because there aren't enough battle moderators to respond to all the voted players. There are only 27 of them in total and probably around 5-10 online at any given moment, so monitoring 40servers and thousands of battles at the same time is physically impossible for them.

[Maf 32,300]

So, why not increase the squad?

I knew someone would ask that.

 

Being a battle mod and having the ability to prevent players from entering the game is a massive responsibility and very few people are able to meet the requirements and cope with that. The applications for battle mods are open right now, but the requirements are very strict to make sure only the most trusted players are appointed. Having few high quality mods is better than having a bunch of irresponsible people, who might abuse their powers.

 

Their numbers are slowly increasing though. As far as I know, it went from 22 to 27 in the past 6 months.

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

Tanki is a business that makes money from its users who in turn expect a service to be provided. To try and dismiss my issues about /vote being ineffective because there're only 27 moderators is shocking. Increase the levels of moderators. I don't care about the responsibility that comes with being a moderator. I'm a player, I'm not here to try and work out how to improve the customer experience of Tanki. My issue is, don't advertise /vote as a legitimate method of raising an in game issue, then ask me to spend over an hour uploading less than 5 minutes of footage, and go onto make excuses that /vote isn't effective because Tanki can't vet a few more players out of the thousands and thousands that play every day to moderate the chat and gameplay. 

[beaku 2,656]

Well, perhaps you would like to suggest a better method, then? I'm sure TO staff will be glad to receive some feedback and suggestions on this matter.

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

Well, perhaps you would like to suggest a better method, then? I'm sure TO staff will be glad to receive some feedback and suggestions on this matter.

It's not my job to provide suggestions on improving the player experience. I am a service user, not a service provider. 

 

Oh you expect a service with bad quality? Or just number of people moderating don't caring what they'll do? If some mod like that bans you for a month for no reason just for fun you'll just accept it and be happy? Tanki ( IMO) prefers quality over quantity and doesn't wants some irresponsible people banning people for nothing and protecting their friends.

I expect a service where the code of practise and game rules benefit those who care about the game, rather than a service that enables those who don't care about the game to have carte blanche to do what they want. Again, it's not my job or responsibility to provide suggestions or solutions to the issue that is a lack of moderators. I have been using Tanki for over two years and have various high ranked accounts, and in that time the number of moderators has increased to only 27. I struggle to believe that is a result of a strict verification process, but more likely down to a slow procedural process. 

[beaku 2,656]

It's not my job to provide suggestions on improving the player experience. I am a service user, not a service provider.

 

I expect a service where the code of practise and game rules benefit those who care about the game, rather than a service that enables those who don't care about the game to have carte blanche to do what they want. Again, it's not my job or responsibility to provide suggestions or solutions to the issue that is a lack of moderators. I have been using Tanki for over two years and have various high ranked accounts, and in that time the number of moderators has increased to only 27. I struggle to believe that is a result of a strict verification process, but more likely down to a slow procedural process.

Quite an unsympathetic attitude you've got there. You expect first class services to be delivered at your doorstep and yet when you're asked for suggestions on how to do that, you have none. Well, if you don't then it's better to quietly make-do with what you're getting.

You're also wrong about the moderators issue. I can assure you that selecting a moderator, and especially a game moderator, is preceeded by extremely strict checks on their karma, IP address and various other factors. Even after that, there is a candidacy period in which he/she learns to wield their power in the right manner. All in all, it is no easy task to either select a battle moderator, or become one.

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

Quite an unsympathetic attitude you've got there. You expect first class services to be delivered at your doorstep and yet when you're asked for suggestions on how to do that, you have none. Well, if you don't then it's better to quietly make-do with what you're getting.

You're also wrong about the moderators issue. I can assure you that selecting a moderator, and especially a game moderator, is preceeded by extremely strict checks on their karma, IP address and various other factors. Even after that, there is a candidacy period in which he/she learns to wield their power in the right manner. All in all, it is no easy task to either select a battle moderator, or become one.

It's not unsympathetic to feel that a company that in the space of seven years has not been able provide ample numbers of game moderators has let down the players who use the game. If anything I feel exasperated. I'm not sure what I'm wrong about regarding the moderators. There are 27 of them, there's not enough, rarely action gets taken unless you record a catalogue of evidence, /vote doesn't work or as previously stated in this thread, highly ineffective, and it's taken seven years to produce a small amount of moderators. Please let me know where I'm wrong. Are you saying that it is not a slow procedural process? 

 

I feel your 'grin and bare it' suggestion to be a little condescending. I am a user of Tanki, and have spent money improving my accounts. I have a vested interest in the game, and the game has a vested interest in the players who spend their cash on the product. It's not asking too much for a company that makes money from its thousands of users to provide a service that benefits those who are interested in the game, rather than provide an arena for those who sabotage games, bully, and harass innocent users.

Edited June 21, 2016 by AlbaGuBrath1

[beaku 2,656]

It's not unsympathetic to feel that a company that in the space of seven years has not been able provide ample numbers of game moderators has let down the players who use the game. If anything I feel exasperated. I'm not sure what I'm wrong about regarding the moderators. There are 27 of them, there's not enough, rarely action gets taken unless you record a catalogue of evidence, /vote doesn't work or as previously stated in this thread, highly ineffective, and it's taken seven years to produce a small amount of moderators. Please let me know where I'm wrong. Are you saying that it is not a slow procedural process?

 

I feel your 'grin and bare it' suggestion to be a little condescending. I am a user of Tanki, and have spent money improving my accounts. I have a vested interest in the game, and the game has a vested interest in the players who spend their cash on the product. It's not asking too much for a company that makes money from its thousands of users to provide a service that benefits those who are interested in the game, rather than provide an arena for those who sabotage games, bully, and harass innocent users.

If you're suggesting that the company make effective moderators out of thin air, you know how preposterous that idea sounds. Out of seven years, I have been here for the past four and sincerely speaking, the situation today is a lot better than it was back in the old days when moderators abused their powers for crystals and personal gains. Learn to appreciate what you have. You do not want to go back. Remember that mods are volunteers. Normal players like us who are using their time to help instead of just playing. Not many people are willing to do that and many of those who are, are not qualified or responsible enough.

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Kick2 would probably help to lessen Mod's work... :ph34r:

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

If you're suggesting that the company make effective moderators out of thin air, you know how preposterous that idea sounds. Out of seven years, I have been here for the past four and sincerely speaking, the situation today is a lot better than it was back in the old days when moderators abused their powers for crystals and personal gains. Learn to appreciate what you have. You do not want to go back. Remember that mods are volunteers. Normal players like us who are using their time to help instead of just playing. Not many people are willing to do that and many of those who are, are not qualified or responsible enough.

I think you're being a little dramatic and ridiculous. I want a game that protects and supports the players who enjoy and invest financially in the product, as should you. I don't want a game that creates a culture of sabotage through ineffectual moderation of in game abuses. Tanki has been around for a sufficient period of time to provide this support, and any excuse regarding the slow procedural process in enlisting moderators feels a little lacklustre and half-hearted. 

I'm not here to get into a competition with you regarding who's been here the longest, and how the situation today is better than it was when you first started. That's not a valid reason for me to accept the lack of moderation. Tanki has a code of conduct, a /vote system, and moderators. People disregard the code, /vote doesn't work, and there are not enough moderators. I don't have to change my attitude or outlook towards the game, Tanki needs to start delivering. When you pay for a product, you expect it to perform in the way it is supposed to, and not just accept a substandard product because i should consider myself lucky It's not how it was four years ago. 

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

In 7, SEVEN years of Tanki, many mods came and many resigned who were replaced by new mods, Tanki doesn't wants you to be unhappy but they can't also let all people unhappy because of a moderator abusing his power and authority, no one said you aren't a player of Tanki, if you weren't you'd not be here xD if you have spent some money on the game, that's good but just for mere sake of people sabotaging battles Tanki won't recruit such mods who just ban for fun or anything, can't distinguish between lags, etc. There are many reasons, just think of them with open mind instead of just saying " Mods do nothing, I want more mods in squad, there are less mods watching battles, etc." you must not be wanting that because of some mod who's abusing his powers to just BLOCK your account for being rude to his friend or not giving his friend flag, etc. Do you want that? If yes then my friend, your 2 whole years of playing have made you no gain on this knowledge, you are just thinking from one point of view that people sabotage and we need ANY KIND OF Battle_Mod ASAP to have more Quantity and them banning people for fun huh? Just think once that Tanki also needs Quality moderators not 8 year olds who will ban anyone who they think Violated Game Rules, like accidently flipping them will make them go rage and block/ ban you for 1 year, is that right and the treatment and catering you want? 

I'm not 100% sure i've completely understood all of what you've said, but I think what you're saying is that I should be satisfied with the current lack of moderators because Tanki has a poor or ineffective recruitment process that can't distinguish between a salty 8 year old and a responsible player who has built up a high ranking account?

Edited June 21, 2016 by AlbaGuBrath1

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

If you're unhappy with the game, simply leave it they aren't gonna have a full team of 5 mods at all times to watch you for in battles and moderate it so that no Rule Breaker makes your game play experience bad.

This is the problem with Tanki. You've just said that I should leave because of other players abusing the code of conduct and rules of the game, rather than agreeing with me that further support and moderators need to be provided by Tanki. 

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

They aren't gonna provide you with people banning or blocking accounts for nothing, READ MY PARA CAREFULLY.

I tried, but I feel you're not a native English speaker, and I'm struggling to understand your input. I do appreciate you taking the time to reply and I'm obviously interested in what you have to say, but I'm not able to 100% follow your posts. 

[CJGuitar 23]

Now, If you have Windows 10 and if you have Gmail(comes with 15 GB free) then you can band easy. Windows 10 has a game recorder, it gets saved to you PC, you add it to drive, click share, then get link, go to Game Violations in form, create new topic, add link and done in less than 15 minutes! Yesterday I met a hacker and recorded her, added it to the form and waited. And today I looked and I find that she gets band for a mouth. And the first time I met a hacker, the both teams used /vote but I had to leave but as I was, in yellow letters,"Your report has been sent." DO NOT TELL ME THAT THE /VOTE DOES NOT WORK!!111!! And if I were you, I would watch my attitude.

[CJGuitar 23]

I tried, but I feel you're not a native English speaker, and I'm struggling to understand your input. I do appreciate you taking the time to reply and I'm obviously interested in what you have to say, but I'm not able to 100% follow your posts. 

I am a native English speaker and I couldn't tell that he is not a native English speaker.

[CJGuitar 23]

By the way I think that you should check up V-LOG #5

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

I am a native English speaker and I couldn't tell that he is not a native English speaker.

That says more about you and it does about me. 

 

Now, If you have Windows 10 and if you have Gmail(comes with 15 GB free) then you can band easy. Windows 10 has a game recorder, it gets saved to you PC, you add it to drive, click share, then get link, go to Game Violations in form, create new topic, add link and done in less than 15 minutes! Yesterday I met a hacker and recorded her, added it to the form and waited. And today I looked and I find that she gets band for a mouth. And the first time I met a hacker, the both teams used /vote but I had to leave but as I was, in yellow letters,"Your report has been sent." DO NOT TELL ME THAT THE /VOTE DOES NOT WORK!!111!! And if I were you, I would watch my attitude.

Also if you've read the previous messages on this thread, you would realise that we have already established the /vote system is ineffectual and understaffed and requires 25% of the match to use it. If you had read the previous messages you would also have seen that saboteurs victimise and harass individuals, so getting 25% of a game, which can be as many as 6 individual players in one match, to use the /vote system is a little unrealistic. I don't use Windows10. I have a Mac. 

[CJGuitar 23]

That says more about you and it does about me. 

 

Also if you've read the previous messages on this thread, you would realise that we have already established the /vote system is ineffectual and understaffed and requires 25% of the match to use it. If you had read the previous messages you would also have seen that saboteurs victimise and harass individuals, so getting 25% of a game, which can be as many as 6 individual players in one match, to use the /vote system is a little unrealistic. I don't use Windows10. I have a Mac. 

Well, you have a screen recorder, I don't see why not to. And yes, I did read past messages. And I really think you should check out V-LOG #5

I am always watching for possible saboterurs and voting them when things get out of hand.

[CJGuitar 23]

Man, this is really becoming a form war.

[AlbaGuBrath1 9]

Well, you have a screen recorder, I don't see why not to. And yes, I did read past messages. And I really think you should check out V-LOG #5

I am always watching for possible saboterurs and voting them when things get out of hand.

I have a screen recorder, I record 5 minutes of footage, I upload it to Youtube, and that takes like an hour for it to process and upload. My issue is the /vote system, which is designed to alert moderators to sabotage is understaffed, ineffectual, and in need of improving. I checked out v-log #5, It basically just told me what I already knew, and what was already discussed on the thread. 

This hasn't turned into a form war. It's turned into people supporting a system, which allows players to run riot and ruin the game, at the expense of those who want to see the game improve by Tanki recruiting more moderators and following up on /vote alerts. 

[KIngJack21 1,923]

Keep recording the video from the time when find any violator in battle.(Use handbreak software to make video file smaller)

Try to convince your team to use  /vote command. :)

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As I heard when 1/3 of your team use vote command against 1 player.Battle link get highlighted for game vio staff.

 

 

Edited June 21, 2016 by KIngJack21