why is tanki unfair and people are leaving?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

They removed the kick system because players abused it, that system lead to many problems.

 

If we take crystals from accounts, what will happen if the account was actually hacked ? that will lead us to more problems.

Developers has to study their plan before they do any new updates, otherwise it will lead to many troubles, 

We already got some nice Ideas and Tanki is reviewing them or even started to plan it, for more information about Ideas, you may contact

 

Banning IPs wont help, many people are using VPN, so if we ban that IP that means we banned actually other people, and the player will simply use another IP to do his cheats.

 

I hope you change your opinion, it is not that easy to make a decision for the whole game, you have to think about... what could be happened if this update releases ? how would players re-act ? there is many possibilities we should think about them.

 

However I hope you understood me :)

I actually appreciate that you told us your opinion !

Did you actually read anything I wrote?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Yes I did :)

Then you didn't understand it. Why are answering the ip thing like I'm suggesting it? I wrote that as an example of the types of things you answer because they're far too easy to dismiss. I also implied that you don't answer anything tougher. 

 

With regard to the fines non-starter because accounts can get hacked and that might cause problems - well that happens now and crystal savings get depleted. What do you do about that? You're just making it up as you go along aren't you. It was in the rules not long back that tanki reserve the right to punish players in this way. Maybe it still is!

 

What do you have to say about the video link? Hmm? You say record it so I record and players are constantly let off the hook by a violator mod who says something like, "just very big lag". That player was flat on the floor at one point and you know what the excuse from tanki was? They said he flipped back up because someone shot at him. Hhhhhhhh! Mate, bro....... xaxaxax.... Oh my sides, they've just split!

 

What do you have to say about ideas to introduce tools to help mods eliminate that overused lag excuse?

 

It's all one big pile of baloney and while I don't like to beaten, I might as well concede this whole thing because I'm flogging a dead horse here. I won't change my mind because I have no faith in tanki to do the right thing.

[AcE0SniiP 140]

Hackers ? U good bruh u know what happens when some1 hacks or mod on this game, their account gets ban permanently...

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Yes I did :)

 

EDIT:

I'm not going to continue this.

You are free to share your opinion with us

We're free to share it and you're quick to delete it - no guarantee that anyone will act on it. Silence on the tougher issues is the tanki way. Well good luck boosting numbers. Tanki might grow back to 90-100k around Halloween then slowly die again until late December where it will see a short term resurgence.

 

All that time wasted on redesigning the garage layout several times, special gifts, mouse controls even just to name a few, could have been better spent doing something actually that benefits the players here, who have been banging on about this for years now. 

 

Your opinion is important to us. lol.

[Schroedinger_Cat 38]

I think you already saw that we opened applications for Battle Moderators, so we can just REDUCE the amount of hackers, but not to eliminate them, cuz that's impossible.

However we are doing our job to help the community, but we need also a support from you guys, WE need YOUR support.

Unfortunately many players are just saying that we don't do anything :( believe me guys, WE are doing our best !!

Why would we support incompetent moderators/administrators? Why would we support moderators/administrators who can't do their jobs well and can't support their decisions? Why would we supoort moderators/administrators who care more about themselves than about players? When something is not working you (I don't mean you personally here, but all the moderators/administrators communiy) always say: it's not my job, we are just volunteers, we are regular players who got additional privilages...

 

Now look from our point of view. Some players actually spend real money on the game. Bigger or smaller amounts, but it is real money. Thus, we (players) are clients, TO is a commercial product and you are the sellers. We don't really care if you are "just a regular players with additional privilages" or not. It is your problem that you get no money from TO Company, not ours. We expect that any issues should be solved and it is TO's problem how they do it. If they cannot find enough or good enough volunteers, maybe they should hire more full-time workers? And finally, if someone should support you for "doing your best" it is TO Company, not players community. You are doing your job for TO, not for the players. Because it is TO who is responsible for removing any issues, hackers, saboteurs, mults, etc. It is also their business, because if they let hackers hacking, saboteurs sabotaging, etc., the normal players will just leave.

 

Something that would be very simple. If you have not scored a point in your first 5 minutes in a game (or 10 minutes or whatever) you are simply dropped from the game. You drop people who are paused too long. Why not drop them for inactivity?

Exactly! One should be automatically removed from battle if:

- does not press any key for 3 minutes

- does not score any points for 3-5 minutes

- puased and the battle ended (I can often see that after a battle ended, there are still players who paused - they are using the spot and teams can't be fair in fact)

 

Also, the pause length should be reduced to 3 minutes. 5 minutes is too long, especially in 15 minutes-long battles. It's 1/3!

Edited July 6, 2016 by Schroedinger_Cat

[Bydo 20,156]

ok for players leaving well there are a number of reasons.. life and the game .. for the life part i understand ..

 

for the game well i have been here for 3 years and i guess most the  of issues are that ..once you have been in a company for that length of time we all start to see the flaws with in .. so to say we start to pick on issues..

 

lets start first with top to bottom...

 

Cm well cause he is new he has lots of room to improve the game and try to repair the damages done from the past CM and other things.. not saying Seymon was bad just saying there were issues that arose towards the last year before he left that should have been fixed but were not..

 

for the admins and mods we can only say what we see for there jobs most are telling me there is lots of paper work to do behind the screens .. for some i get others i don't .. for chat mods sure paper work to fill in on the reasons why they gave players banns and things... for the forum mods unless they have more then one job and most now do then i understand having to do work in other sections of the forum and needing to go to battles with there mod friends to let off steam it also helps to understand what we complain about..

 

 

how this game is run well sure it should be run the way some say .. and I hope others see what players are referring to ..

example

 

for me i"m a buyer who buys a product and if i feel that product is not up to my standards .. then yes i have full rights to complain about it.. now if my complaints go unnoticed after a certain amount of time then i will send my issues to the next level and wait for it..

 

example

this means if your in a store and you have a complaint about say a chocolate bar and the cashier refused to give you another one or your money back // then you have the rights to complain to the cashier manager and if they still do nothing well then complain to the in store manager and if they all fail then you go to top brass which is the head company and i guaranty... your issue will be resolved faster .

 

now due to tanki running a computer program some  of our complaints are minor issues and can be resolved ..

 

I'am in no way standing up for tanki .. or staff.. or even provoking players ..

 

all Iam saying is we need to be opened minded and try to give it time with this new CM to look into our issues..

 

not everything will be fixed .. we all need to release things change ..some for the good and others well for the bad ..

 

just give it time to see what will happen..

[Schroedinger_Cat 38]

Oh God !

What I meant, WE moderators and administrators can't do programmers' job,

I do not care. I can't complain to programmers directly, so I must complain to you. Just like in a restaurant - I cannot walk into the kitchen and say "Hey, cook, you screwed my dinner!". Im telling it to the waiter. Because he is the person I can talk to.

 

The proof should be 100% trusted, cuz we don't want to get in troubles if someone THOUGHT that a player hacked, maybe it was a lag.

However put yourself in that situation, you have lagged and someone reported you and we blocked you reason HACK, is it fair ? how would you feel ?

I agree with that, and I was not referring to this kind of stuff.

 

But still, there are issues like:

- TO can be played not only on the mainpage, but also on big portals with flash games, e.g. Kongregate (http://www.kongregate.com/games/tankionlineuser/tanki-online). Yet, players there are not supported (they cannot access the forum, they cannot report violators, their accounts cannot be migrated). Probably few people here are aware of this fact, but hundreds (if not thousands) of people played TO via Kongregate, without any support. Yet, TO accepts their money. Do they have a right to be upset? Moderators/administrators are not helping them at all.

- moderators have rejected 2 of my 100% correct reports. I am not complaining that they did not punish the violators - they refused to take my report into consideration, however I met all requirements listed in the game violations section. The reason for rejecting my reports was... moderators' convenience.

 

So, yeah, I am not supporting incompetent moderators.

Edited July 6, 2016 by Schroedinger_Cat

[Cyborg 3,189]

 

I'm sorry if a moderator didn't do his job well, I would like to remind you that no one can be perfect ;)

:ph34r: Wait, you are perfect in the forum  :ph34r:

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

The proof should be 100% trusted, cuz we don't want to get in troubles if someone THOUGHT that a player hacked, maybe it was a lag.

However put yourself in that situation, you have lagged and someone reported you and we blocked you reason HACK, is it fair ? how would you feel ?

Realising this, see what I posted in February 2015.

It was a suggestion for a simple enough tool which would provide information about players' connections which would could then be used to confirm or dismiss lag. It doesn't have to be exactly like I say but the idea is sound. Everyone gets to see their fps and ping if they choose to see it so therefore the server records that information. Average it out over some seconds and if a suspected hacker's ping is on the high side then sure, any proof cannot be trusted 100%, however, if it's averaging at 20ms then it should be goodnight Vienna for that player and no hiding behind that overused lag excuse.

 

But me explaining this to you is worth what exactly? I know there are ways to help combat hackers, saboteurs and non-triers as I give these things thought before posting. In the case of kick2, a couple of us discussed and worked the idea over a few weeks before posting it. It then got shaped by the community to become the most liked topic in the en forum and how much attention from devs did it get? Am I allowed to post a pic of a tumbleweed? Hmm, best not.

 

We moan and complain and you guys say give it time etc, but how many years do you want exactly?

 

 

I UNDERSTAND that players put their money in the game, I did it too ! , I'm telling you ONE FACT which is never going to change...

Hackers CAN'T be completely stopped !

This is not in dispute and has never been so. Why are you arguing this line when it's not in question? Everyone knows that hackers can't be completely stopped.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Then please stop posting topics about hackers and stopping them !

^^ How did you come to arrive at this?

 

Have you been licking toads again? What are you on, seriously? Everyone accepts that hackers cannot be "completely" stopped and I for one have never ventured there knowing full well that "completely" is not achievable. I do however think you're being deliberately obtuse. Do you not realise there are plenty of ways to minimise them. This seemingly was lost on you. One thing I have plenty of is logic so don't come to me and say I don't understand the situation because clearly it is you who has no clue what we're saying or even wanting. You continuously dodge and evade the examples I provide don't you and that is because you have no answer so please, can you please stop pretending you have all the answers.

 

I cite examples and facts and figures to backup whatever I say and for you to continuously ignore those examples, tells me that you're not truly here to help anyone, merely to postpone any gripes for another topic and another day. I'm not asking you to make things happen, I'm not asking you for anything other than acknowledgement that these problems exist and tanki continuously keeps quiet on the tough issues with nothing meaningful being done to tackle the plagues of saboteurs and non-triers for years now. This topic is called, "why is tanki unfair and people are leaving?" - that's what I'm discussing.

 

We are not talking about a testing game, we are talking about an ONLINE GAME which thousands of people spent their money in it, any little mistake will lead to BIG problems.

Do you think I was born yesterday? I'm one of those players who has money to waste on whatever I like. I own my home outright and have no debts whatsoever and this means I can invest in this project should I so wish. I've spent over £1k here so I think I have the right to have a say just as much as anyone and have what I say acknowledged at least.

 

And it's not "will" it's "can". Oops, there's my logic again!

 

Developers has to study their plan before they do any new updates, otherwise it will lead to many troubles,

We already got some nice Ideas and Tanki is reviewing them or even started to plan it, for more information about Ideas, you may contact

That old chestnut. And it's not "will"!

Mafioso is someone I respect in this forum. I don't know him to talk to but I never consider his posts or replies unhelpful or concocted. I see he is doing work filtering out the reasonable suggestions that players have and I value that but I need to see more from action from tanki in order to shut me up. Remember, it's hackers, saboteurs and non-triers I'm complaining about - not just the hackers that you're so keen to keep us focused on.

Edited July 6, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Again, I barely have a reason to care and I can agree with AbsoluteZero here.

Just like Gotham PD relies on a lunatic in a bat costume, you guys rely on the players, that much I get.

But what I'll never understand is why I can show up with sufficient proof of a violation, but I need a recording of the battle, unedited, and ON THE ACCOUNT I'm reporting this from. No reason to waste space on my computer with useless recordings of mults all for a day-long ban, in which case they just jump ship to a fresh account and keep going.

Here's a simpler answer for you: No amount of punishment is going to make up for what it takes to report them and have it matter. NONE.

 

 

But y'know, none of my business. Back to the positive corner. :)

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Reminds me of a post about arguments in-game.

"If you loose the argument, just say "bye" to avoid showing defeat." or something like that. .-.

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

This game in a nutshell, I Think I'mma pull the plug again:

 

 

 

[AcE0SniiP 140]

Well thats not true actually, They may tell you the account is banned permanently but its actually not  :huh:

Mine did so ik ;)

[Quora 125]

Tanki devs aftet reading this topic be like: oh we got new update, now buttons are red and green and sky is blue. (Take attention of player away from problems)

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Wow, so the new update is the cash shop system. Unfortunately with mult plague, wouldn't an good M3 kit will be useless...

[AcE0SniiP 140]

Now they will sell you the "color" and then sell you the "protection" you desire. And they can charge you twice for the same paint! Brilliant!

 

And they are working on updates for this and updates for that, having tournaments, contests, talking in circles like they always do.

 

Why don't they take that time and fix the lag, or the cheating, or the mults? Too much trouble.

 

No, they want YOU to record the players and give them the video and then they MIGHT block the player for a day IF YOU have the proper evidence. On that day, the cheater just plays a different account and then goes right back to cheating!

What do u mean>?

Why just for a day?

Edited July 9, 2016 by AcE0SniiP

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Go look at the people who are turned in they usually just get one day block.

The penalty for game abuse, multing, hacking is pathetic and not even worth while.  It probably makes them offend even more because no one can touch them.  It will be a big turn on for them.  Their needs to be really serious consequences which increase each time leading to a permanent ban. 

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Tanki won't punish players much while numbers are so low. There won't be anyone to play soon.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Tanki won't punish players much while numbers are so low. There won't be anyone to play soon.

:)  They would not punish them when numbers were high.  What is the difference.  they might as well call it a day, redundancy is on the cards.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

:)  They would not punish them when numbers were high.  What is the difference.  they might as well call it a day, redundancy is on the cards.

Yep, I reckon AP gonna pull the plug $oon unle$$ TO can $omehow get u$ to part with $ome ca$h. I would actually pay for module$ if I knew $omething wa$ being done about mult$. $adly, they can't see the wood for the tree$. It'$ doomed I feel.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Yep, I reckon AP gonna pull the plug $oon unle$$ TO can $omehow get u$ to part with $ome ca$h. I would actually pay for module$ if I knew $omething wa$ being done about mult$. $adly, they can't see the wood for the tree$. It'$ doomed I feel.

I would too!  I would also like to see a little longer term stability.  Buying something to see it reduced in effectiveness a year latter is unsettling and does not instill confidence in the product.  I realize that over a longer term, a few years perhaps things might change or even in the very short term if something is brand new and just needs adjusting, that is fine.  They did not do that with Vulcan though.  That still creates havoc and changing it now might upst those that own it.

 

How do you acquire all the data?  Do you have some access to servers?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

How do you acquire all the data?  Do you have some access to servers?

What data? You mean server loads etc? I write little scripts in autohotkey for windows, that run on 15 minute schedules that gather information on various things from various places and then store it to a file.

 

I've disabled the server one for now. No point in keeping it running 24/7. I'll run it for a week every month if I can still be bothered in a month that is! I'm rapidly losing the will to continue playing if I'm being honest. 

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

What data? You mean server loads etc? I write little scripts in autohotkey for windows, that run on 15 minute schedules that gather information on various things from various places and then store it to a file.

 

I've disabled the server one for now. No point in keeping it running 24/7. I'll run it for a week every month if I can still be bothered in a month that is! I'm rapidly losing the will to continue playing if I'm being honest. 

I think that it is very informative,I am quite impressed.  A little while back you did some analysis on a few players supply use.  Do you have to target specific players or do we all get analyzed?  Can it be don in hind sight or only live?

Edited July 9, 2016 by ELIZABETH1122

[Bugs.meeny 1,013]

MULTS AND BUYERS

 

Mults . . . even just one on your team can ruin the battle. You are down a player, start to loose, a buyer drugger is on enemy team, so you try to make up for your missing team mate as well as match the enemy drugger, so you drug. When you drug, most of the enemies start drugging cause "you did it first". You loose the battle after using a nice part of your precious stock of drugs, so you get angry and leave the battle. All of your team does. Another battle dead . . . The mult from your battle joins another battle, same process. 

 

In short, buyers AND mults unbalance battles, battles die, all battles get boring and pointless.

 

 

PRO BATTLES

 

Mods: "Just play PRO battles its no problem"  

This is one problem, mods act like its not a problem when SO many players are leaving/complaining about it! Instead of saying its not a problem, accept that its a problem and get some minds working on a solution. PRO battles is not a solution. For one thing PRO battles that are just normal battles are VERY uncommon (at least for my rank) and the ones that do exist are either ranked up to Gissimo, or have very few players. And XP/BP battles . . . yes they can be fun, you can escape the unbalance (from buyers/druggers still the mult problem), but even in balanced games, it gets really repetitive, same combo, same game-play.         I don't have a short version of this sorry  . . .

 

 

POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS?

 

Ok so I think a possible solution to the buyer/drugger problem. (Tbh slightly higher equipment isn't fun to fight, but drugs are the real problem because buyers get huge amounts of drugs as well as kits). So lets just have the option to make non-pro battles with very limited supplies, like smart supplies but a lot more strict.       Mult problem: So a possible solution is if you don't make a certain amount of exp. per minute, or 2 mins you get kicked. Not a too high amount of exp, and for higher ranks more exp is required. This would ensure that you get at least SOME help from the mults, and I don't see a problem with it.

 

 

So those are my thought on the issue, cause I'm really hating to see this game going downhill, and I'm one of those who is losing interest as well.