valid Self-heating/cooling with Firebird/Freeze

[ihatepasswordisback 152]

Did you ever want to freeze yourself and undo the firing effect? So my idea is, why don't you make an effect for the freeze to freeze itself? For instance, a firebird burns you. You are running out of health quickly; however, with your fully recharged freeze, you shoot where no one is there and your freeze freezes your tank so that the burning effect goes away.

 

How freeze's effect should work.

- you need to shoot where nobody is there- to freeze yourself

- you need a full clip to freeze yourself

Same (opposite) thing could be done with firebird.

 

btw its kind of like the isida's old effect of healing itself long time ago.

 

 

sincerely,

 

ihatepasswordisback

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Valid

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Hmm, it would make sense that you'd be able to freeze yourself since your gun is so cold, however, going by that concept, Firebird should be able to heat itself when frozen.

Edited January 15, 2020 by Thiedes

[ihatepasswordisback 152]

On 7/8/2016 at 1:42 PM, lordmostafa said:

Valid

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Hmm, it would make sense that you'd be able to freeze yourself since your gun is so cold, however, going by that concept, Firebird should be able to heat itself when frozen.

maybe the effect is only given for freeze and not firebird

Edited January 15, 2020 by Thiedes

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

Did you ever want to freeze yourself and undo the firing effect? Well, most people believe that firebird is much more better than freeze. Freeze is now considered the unpopular turret. Before when freeze was nerfed, it was good as firebird. So my idea is, why don't you make an effect for the freeze to freeze itself? For instance, a firebird burns you. You are running out of health quickly; however, with your fully recharged freeze, you shoot where no one is there and your freeze freezes your tank so that the burning effect goes away.

 

How freeze's effect should work.

- you need to shoot where nobody is there- to freeze yourself

- you need a full clip to freeze yourself

 

 

btw its kind of like the isida's old effect of healing itself long time ago.

 

 

sincerely,

 

ihatepasswordisback

I do not know why freeze has declined in use.  It is still extremely effective in skilled hands  Just like any other weapon it need tending too and fettling with mu and having the most up to date version for your rank M!, M2, M3, M4 etc.  Most people buy them as a fad and do not use them as a main weapon and it goes rusty and t waste.  A dedicated, skilled Freeze warrior is to be treated with the upmost respect.  Failing to do so would be a big mistake.  They can be extremely effective  The most likely reason for its decline is that it need a lot of dedication, patience and practice and the vast majority of players just do not have that.  Freeze also like Isida has other features and will chill a burning friend or cool an overheating Vulcan.  So therefore it might be considered that Freeze also has healing properties.

 

Isida only partially self heals when killing the enemy.  Its weapon is very short range and underpowered as a killing weapon and each kill takes time which makes it vulnerable. Of course Isida will heal others on the same side. We also all have supplies that heal,  the repair box.

Edited July 8, 2016 by ELIZABETH1122

[Supernatural 2,053]

Freeze is only less popular because its "afterburn" doesn't deal damage so it takes skill to use. Freeze should have 1 additional function: Proper usage by the player. ;)

Edited July 8, 2016 by Supernatural

[Maf 32,300]

maybe the effect is only given for freeze and not firebird

Why? It makes no sense to give it to one and not the other. Are you discriminating against firebirds?  <_>

[ihatepasswordisback 152]

Why? It makes no sense to give it to one and not the other. Are you discriminating against firebirds?  <_<

no just that nowadays firebird is much more superior than freeze. So to make it equal, we should give freeze an additional effect.

[PokeNebula 4]

I actually had a similar idea. If you're using Firebird and you're frozen, you can use the firebird to thaw yourself out, and vice versa. I think the time it takes for this to work, though, should be proportional to the time it takes an isida to heal itself by attacking enemies.

[i200000 717]

Why? It makes no sense to give it to one and not the other. Are you discriminating against firebirds?  <_<

Ooops, don't discriminate Firebird cuz' Mafioso will turn Gangster  :lol:

 

no just that nowadays firebird is much more superior than freeze. So to make it equal, we should give freeze an additional effect.

That's a balancing problem. Effect should be equal (as Mafioso said). Btw, I think Freeze really deserves some power-up.

[marto85 631]

Under Review.

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Hmm, it would make sense that you'd be able to freeze yourself since your gun is so cold, however, going by that concept, Firebird should be able to heat itself when frozen.

Then do the same for isida. Wait, isida had that, but it was REMOVED in the very past Edited July 9, 2016 by marto85

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Then do the same for isida. Wait, isida had that, but it was REMOVED in the very past

You mean it would heal itself when shooting at thin air? That makes no sense. Firebird melts itself because it's hot, Freeze cools itself because it's cold, but Isida heals itself from nothing?

[Cyborg 3,189]

You mean it would heal itself when shooting at thin air? That makes no sense. Firebird melts itself because it's hot, Freeze cools itself because it's cold, but Isida heals itself from nothing?

yea isida used to heal itself while shooting nothing.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

yea isida used to heal itself while shooting nothing.

Then I can see why it has been removed.

[ELIZABETH1122 337]

I actually had a similar idea. If you're using Firebird and you're frozen, you can use the firebird to thaw yourself out, and vice versa. I think the time it takes for this to work, though, should be proportional to the time it takes an isida to heal itself by attacking enemies.

Isida can only slowly kill one tank at a time  Both the freezer and the fire box can destroy several tanks at a wave of their turret.

[marto85 631]

Then I can see why it has been removed.

Then isida should be able to remove burning/freezing effect from itself, when attacking an enemy or simillar.

[sensei_tanker 3,098]

Yeah I was thinking about this and that I think that just by having freeze you should reduce the wait for the firebird to unburn you. Let's say you just got cut by the end stream of a firebird shot. It doesn't do real damage but just burns you a lot. It would take... let's say 10 seconds for the fire to go away. Then, if you are mounted with freeze, it would only take 5 seconds for the fire to go away. There should also be an animation where the fan/vacuum(in case if u never have read the old freeze description, Freeze = Vaccuum + Refrigerator + Mad Russian Scientist) visible on freeze should spin around and fan itself.

[applications 993]

maybe the effect is only given for freeze and not firebird

then it would  be unfair must go both ways

[MiR4cUl0uS 815]

Freeze is only less popular because its less effective.

[r_MaquinaDeGuerra0 207]

Good idea

[eminem9870 605]

Well, I have m1 freeze but it's a pretty weak turret and I forget it's even a turret for most of the time. I think it just needs an improvement

[hiDashiell 47]

The title might not have exactly explained it well, but what it means is if you have freeze, you press a certain key (i don't know what key should be used) and fire your gun. Instead of going out, it goes in and cools your tank off. When a firebird comes along and tries to kill you, he/she has a harder time. However, if a freeze comes along and tries to kill you, he/she has an easier time killing you. 

 

This goes the same with firebird. You press a certain key and it warms you up. When a freeze comes along and tries to kill you, he'll/she'll have a hard time, but if a firebird comes along and tries to kill you, he'll/she'll have an easier time killing you. 

 

IMPORTANT: The firing in your tank does not unfreeze or unburn you. Second, people can press r or v and see that you have that firing in protection.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

 

Merged.

[AverageDavelaar 89]

Hell No firebird is good the way it is

[kayitsiz 621]

I do not know why freeze has declined in use.  It is still extremely effective in skilled hands  Just like any other weapon it need tending too and fettling with mu and having the most up to date version for your rank M!, M2, M3, M4 etc.  Most people buy them as a fad and do not use them as a main weapon and it goes rusty and t waste.  A dedicated, skilled Freeze warrior is to be treated with the upmost respect.  Failing to do so would be a big mistake.  They can be extremely effective  The most likely reason for its decline is that it need a lot of dedication, patience and practice and the vast majority of players just do not have that.  Freeze also like Isida has other features and will chill a burning friend or cool an overheating Vulcan.  So therefore it might be considered that Freeze also has healing properties.

 

Isida only partially self heals when killing the enemy.  Its weapon is very short range and underpowered as a killing weapon and each kill takes time which makes it vulnerable. Of course Isida will heal others on the same side. We also all have supplies that heal,  the repair box.

Freeze has declined in use because ıt has been a disappointment. I seriously doubt freeze is UP, and I don't think so...

 

Old freeze was a death trap. Its damage was lower, its firing time was lower, its minimum damage range was shorter... but It was a death trap.

 

It was both reducing turrets turning speed, hulls movement speed and hulls turning speed by %90 about in 2 seconds. That means when it starts to turn around you, you would always be dead. It was catching flag carriers in an instant, and there were not much to do except killing the freeze.

It was catching heavy hulls, and there were not much to do. It was even catching druggers, I mean 2-3-4+1 druggers, locking them without a sweet without any necessity of a drug, and even repair kit was unable to remove freezing effect. Everyone's turning speed was lower then, so resisting it was even harder. Only weapon which was immune against freeze was shaft on scope mode, but how much can you play with shaft on that short range(Of course if you are not an experienced shaft player which knows something...  :ph34r: )(and it is not immune anymore.. :( )

 

Freeze is still a good weapon, but It is fairly distant from the image left on my mind. And I guess many players who have seen weapons old versions and their changings are likely to quit that weapons with huge characteristic changes and nerf, even though if the weapon is still balanced and effective.

 

 

Ask someone who does know this reality, he most likely won't say freeze is very bad,  he will just say some small power level differences according to his ideas. 

 

EDİT: Examples from old freeze

Edited September 11, 2016 by kayitsiz

[Rico_Viking_9000 942]

I liked freeze when it froze for like 15 seconds