Paint Separation Update

[Maf 32,300]

 Hope you can find that post from Hazel.

 

nothing has been said to the players..

You wanted it - you got it. Two posts from Hazel explaining why the Premium paint was never meant to have protections and why the protection is getting removed:

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&p=5064513

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&page=15&do=findComment&comment=5059482

 

For those too lazy to click, here's the text:

 

 

 

 

Can you please explain the reasons for adding premium accounts

So yeah, the reasons.

 

1) Money, obviously. This is not a big secret that another game-about-tanki-which-will-not-name-to-make-sure-nobody-will-be-upset-about-it making most of its profit by premium pass so it was only a question of time for TO.

2) Make a valuable low-to-mid-range purchase in game on monthly basis so it will give more stable profit.

3) To find a way around our single currency economy to make extra offers for paying user while not ruin the benefits of single currency system.

 

The reason premium account was never introduced to TO is... well... it might take me really deep into who made that decision, but I can't really. Thing is, some things have changed inside the office. Saying that, I must point out that our goals with this game are not changed, only the way we do things.

 

This meens this game is going to stay free2play and not going into pay2win department.

 

But 20% paint, why? This is how we shoot our own foot right there  :D Thing is, this IS going against certain rules we have. We still go by the rule of no extra power should be locked behind pay wall. This 20% is a problem for me as for anybody here as well. I am not going to keep whole another balance for paying users, this is just rediculus, but if everybody will use this premium paint it will happen and will clearly meens pay2win. But we do need an extra something to give with premium pass to make it stand out. This is why we aimed for a paint. Paints are the only thing we got in this game to customize your tank  :(  So didn't have much choice there. 20% protection was added to make this paint usefull, otherwise we fear it won't be anything special.

 

Ok, I've already told you that I am considering 20% paint as a convenient but not game braking, but nobody seems to agree with me. I don't want to sound like a broken record here, so I will take my arguments back. You do consider it OP, I get it. I agreed for 20% only to make it valuable and as long as we are discussing plans to split protections and paints in the future. As I've said, if they will be separated, there won't be any reason to keep this protection in game, while the paint will be able to stay. When this will happen? Well, as I've said there were some changes  in the office and you can see how fast we are on updates recently. No dates though.

 

As you can see there is no reason called 'to-make-buyers-op'. I've always considered supplies are far enough in this department. Making +5% for paying user will not change power ingame noticeably, but will have severe consequences for community. This is not where we are going with the paint. I will discuss protection for the paint again with my GD department and we will have a closer look on the matter. Maybe it will be lower, maybe it will be removed, maybe it will stay as it is. Anyway, balance rules are still apply. If this paint will turn out to be gamebraking, it will be cutted. As I've already told here few pages before   <_>

 

Ideal scenario will be to keep premium paint, but devide protections and paints into two separate entities. We will get there eventually, I hope. There are so many cool paints we can make for this game, but so few we can see in battles while protection is influencing which paint to pick. We always looked for Team Fortress kind of model with lots of options for customization. Problem is, we won't be able to keep afloat if this game will only offer paints. Flash is old, not shiny, not a widespread. We just won't be able to reach for our audience so there won't be enough money to keep the game around and making new one. And if we descard either old game or new game to concentrate our strengh we will go down hill for real at very same moment. This is why we have to go into twilight territory with our decisions. We have no choice but to live by our current auditory, otherwise the whole project will die.

 

This whole situation is just a big missunderstanding. I can see why it happend. There are not that much people to respond from the office to the community. Seriously, there like only two people who can talk to you here. Obviously we are not enough. I don't even suppose to comment on the matter. I am game designer, I got other things to do. Can't change much there so I ask you for the patience. Please?

 

As I said, we were looking for something unique for premium users. Paint is a good way to go, but paint without protection is not going to be used. So we choosed a better fitting protection, which can be used without MUs (as long as paint given only temporarily). Problem is paint consists of paint itself and protection. We are aiming at dividing paint and protection into two separate entities, therefore we can be fine with adding 20% all-rounder protection for a while. Because as soon as paint will be separated from protection, there will be no point to give premium paint any protection at all, so it will be discarded.

 

And yeah... it might happen we will sell paint with protection from everything with crystalls. Not that big of a deal.

 

Big thanks to for finding the posts.

 

 

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

You wanted it - you got it. Two posts from Hazel explaining why the Premium paint was never meant to have protections and why the protection is getting removed:

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&p=5064513

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&page=15&do=findComment&comment=5059482

 

For those too lazy to click, here's the text:

 

 

 

 

Big thanks to for finding the posts.

 

 

In which case, we're not getting the paint anymore with the purchase of a Premium Account. Therefore, the cost of a Premium Account should be reduced. Make sense ? 

[Ctrl.Alt.Del 136]

You wanted it - you got it. Two posts from Hazel explaining why the Premium paint was never meant to have protections and why the protection is getting removed:

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&p=5064513

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&page=15&do=findComment&comment=5059482

 

For those too lazy to click, here's the text:

 

 

 

 

Big thanks to for finding the posts.

 

 

Explain why people during BP battles using Emerald Node are being 1 hit?

[MiR4cUl0uS 815]

Not  a bad  update at the same time its horrible!

[Maf 32,300]

In which case, we're not getting the paint anymore with the purchase of a Premium Account. Therefore, the cost of a Premium Account should be reduced. Make sense ? 

Yeah, by like... $0.01  :D

[dfoofnik 341]

I support your point of view, though the comparison with the man with a gun isn't really successful. :P

Here's a analogy: you give somebody $10 a month to feed your cat and pick up your newspaper when you are out of town. You give him $30 and he tells you halfway through the first month that he's going to leave the newspaper on the ground unless you give him another $20.

Give them their premium 15% or give them their money back. Tanki is selling a service and is indeed subject to the consumer laws. Their liability is limited to a full refund for the unused period of the purchase. Unless they really, really want to hire more expensive lawyers... I can recommend a couple. ;)

Edited July 14, 2016 by dfoofnik

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Yeah, by like... $0.01  :D

Funny.

[personia 4,036]

Lol, what? This makes completely no sense.

 

Yes it does, you were talking about laws.

 

I was not harmed because I didn't purchase premium account. But those who did, got harmed because they received less than they were promised. Yes, I can go to WoT and I probably will. Is that what TO developers want?

 

Clearly it is. 

 

BAAAAAAAIIIIIIII

 

 

I thought the whole point of this update was to allow for using whatever paint you wanted with whatever protections. I don't own many paints. But now they're not even affordable, which kinda defeats the purpose of the update.

That is true, though I think it's actually not that bad, given the fact that paints are only useful for their camo capabilities, meaning that green is gonna get boosted heaps.

[personia 4,036]

Here's a analogy: you give somebody $10 a month to feed your cat and pick up your newspaper when you are out of town. You give him $30 and he tells you halfway through the first month that he's going to leave the newspaper on the ground unless you give him another $20.

Give them their premium 15% or give them their money back. Tanki is selling a service and is indeed subject to the consumer laws. Their liability is limited to a full refund for the unused period of the purchase. Unless they really, really want to hire more expensive lawyers... I can recommend a couple. ;)

True that, true that.

[DESTROYER_13 1,019]

So, in court, if you pay money for a lawyer, you win and if not, you do not? If you have money for a lawyer, you can win the case, if not, you can not. If that is how it works, that is pretty messed up.

[cyberserpent1088 0]

I dont REALLY like this update cuz now it just feels like u guys are trying to make a few extra bucks from the players...

i guess life moves on...  :(

The laging and crashes are crazy high atm, fix it plsss 

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

You wanted it - you got it. Two posts from Hazel explaining why the Premium paint was never meant to have protections and why the protection is getting removed:

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&p=5064513

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=289129&page=15&do=findComment&comment=5059482

 

Big thanks to for finding the posts.

It was quite obvious that if there was ever a time when protections and paints would be separate, Premium would lose the 15%. And the time has come.

It wasn't obvious at all. Obvious is putting it in the v-log. Obvious is putting it in the News and Announcements section of the forum.  It was so obvious that you needed to give special thanks to someone for finding 2 posts that contains ifs, buts and maybes. You probably remember it because it's your job to scour the forum. Players can't be expected to visit every topic and read every post.

 

Conclusion: Not obvious.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Explain why people during BP battles using Emerald Node are being 1 hit?

Known issue, please check the 3rd post on the first page.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

It was obvious enough that developers thought players would be smart enough to figure it out on their own. Apparently not...

Sorry, I forgot my crystal ball.

Such arrogance!

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

 

I have no time to read any of your earlier comments, just was wondering, do you (honestly) like the update?

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I have no time to read any of your earlier comments, just was wondering, do you (honestly) like the update?

Isn't it obvious?

[Maf 32,300]

I have no time to read any of your earlier comments, just was wondering, do you (honestly) like the update?

Yes, I do like it. Look at my pros and cons post I made a few pages ago :)

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

Isn't it obvious?

How should I know? I said I don't have time to read earlier comments. AND, not all mods necessarily have to like updates, it's just their jobs to show it's a good update, and I respect that.

I hate the update personally, and he may too, but you can't know unless you ask.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

How should I know? I said I don't have time to read earlier comments. AND, not all mods necessarily have to like updates, it's just their jobs to show it's a good update, and I respect that.

I hate the update personally, and he may too, but you can't know unless you ask.

Not really. Our job is to keep everyone calm. We do share our opinions, but we do so in a respected manner giving our honest opinions and clarifications as well as ways it could improve. We don't go around saying "This is the worst update" "this is bad" like everyone is doing which is making us look like we only like TO cause we have to - we don't.

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

Yes, I do like it. Look at my pros and cons post I made a few pages ago :)

Link please?

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Look, I think the feedback of us is split into three groups. The people who like it, the ones who don't, and the ones who hate it but can't control themselves from outbursting their thoughts and just end up flooding the topic and do nothing to help whatsoever.

As Cedric said, help him help us – there's no point in saying it sucks and you're going to quit Tanki, that's no feedback, that's arrogance. I hate the update, I really do (besides protections from mines, that's the one thing I like), but it does no help to just yell out that the update sucks. If you wanna help to get this update improved or removed, give normal feedback in an equally normal fashion. I bet that when I'm done writing out this post, they'll be another 3 pages. Just be considerate...

[lordmostafa 3,821]

 

At least someone gets it that's not a mod <_<

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

#Tankiforplayers Not for Money.

If they not change it i will say good bay :) Now with this update they ruin eSport and game .

 

Good bay then, fair tanker.

 

Maybe knock some sense into your head and read my post above this one, then talk (or don't).

Edited July 14, 2016 by Yisroel.Rabin

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Will you be so arrogant once everyone has left and the game is no longer?

And we're forever being told to be respectful and constructive but it's hard to be so in the face of such contempt, disrespect and disdain.

His 20% helper paint won't be much good against other mods because pretty soon, they'll be the only ones left here having chased everyone away with such patronising and condescending posts.

[lordmostafa 3,821]

Really? The comment below is done in a respected manner is it?

Firstly, I said we provide our opinions on the update in a respected manner (as well as everything else, incase you thought otherwise). That is not an opinion on the update. Secondly, I'd like to apologize on behalf of my teammate, he's been working for over 10 hours on this topic and he got a tad tired. He's going to take a good rest now and I promise he'll be back more helpful than ever :)

[Anonono 1,233]

Is it at all possible to replace paints elements in product kits with paint modules?