Paint Separation Update

[Boeing_787 1,455]

Overall, I actually like this update unlike many of the others here :ph34r:. The only thing that I think needs to be changed is the prices of paints. The price of a paint without protection should be at the most three quarters of its former price. The current prices are a bit absurd

[CaptainItchyButt 20]

Well, it wasn't.

 

I'm glad you enjoyed having 8 months of free unintentional protection, but that protection is no longer valid due to yesterday's update. The reason the 15% had to be added is because if the paint had no protections in the first place, Premium players would complain and say something like "What's the point of having this useless paint if I can't even use it in battles because it has no protection!". Developers had to add a little bit of protection to make sure the paint could be used, but that protection is no longer necessary.

 

One of the devs did say that the 15% protection will most likely be compensated with another useful bonus, but for now I suggest you play without any modules and buy a bunch of ones you like most during the next sale :)

What was free about it? I paid real money for it. Last time I checked, that wasn't free. This attitude about something SO simple to fix that will make a lot of people happy and quit complaining about this update is fascinating. What is Tanki going to lose by providing some protection modules to their paying premium members? Nothing at all! The problem goes away. But instead we have a number of unhappy supporters of your game. PAYING supporters. We even have players that typically dislike buyers sticking up for us!  The other premium paints were allowed to get protection modules and how did those people get them? By being active members of the community in some cases. Right? Adding value to the game?  Isn't that what the paying players did? Added value? 

 

It's shockingly absurd that Tanki devs won't go for the easy fix here and be done with it. Seems like they want to stir the hornets nest for some reason that I can't understand.

[CaptainItchyButt 20]

That analogy is not valid since premium paint is not the only thing that comes with premium. If it was, then yes, you'd be correct. But that's not the case.

No, it doesn't make one bit of difference. The analogy is valid because the music service was providing an advantage to paying customers that they came to expect and now they have taken it away. It makes no difference that there are other benefits left over for premium paint. The issue is that something we paid for, something we have been receiving as part of that payment is suddenly taken away. No refund. No discount for extending premium. Just less than what we had before. 

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

So that 15% was needed for the past 8 months but is no longer needed ? Explain, I can't remember any new paints which have become available since ?

[Bugs.meeny 1,013]

That analogy is not valid since premium paint is not the only thing that comes with premium. If it was, then yes, you'd be correct. But that's not the case.

So If you buy a house with an acre of land, you get everything on that land right? So a few days after you own it, the old owner comes and takes the house, cause "there was never supposed to be a house here" even though he didnt tell you that before you purchased it. Pretty evil guy right? You still have the acre of land, but you payed for the house as well so shouldnt you get it? My point is, that 15% protection was part of the deal, you cant just steal it from people who bought premium.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

So If you buy a house with an acre of land, you get everything on that land right? So a few days after you own it, the old owner comes and takes the house, cause "there was never supposed to be a house here" even though he didnt tell you that before you purchased it. Pretty evil guy right? You still have the acre of land, but you payed for the house as well so shouldnt you get it? My point is, that 15% protection was part of the deal, you cant just steal it from people who bought premium.

"Technically", we all agreed in the EULA that they were able to change things without telling us beforehand. So technically it's our fault, but is it the right thing for them to do you ask ? No. It's a terrible way to run a business, that's for sure.

[Bydo 20,120]

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Edited July 18, 2016 by frozen_heart

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Its all too easy for them to refer to the EULA, Only way to make a point to them now is to hit them in there pockets. 

 

its what im going to do

Well I have some friends who are leaving but... I don't think it's going to hit them hard enough. We just don't feel like paying into it anymore and getting screwed over every few weeks with a new update.

Edited July 15, 2016 by P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Do pardon my typing. 

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

 

1. I don't know what you're asking. Why should have Light Format changed because of this update?
2. What contract?
3. They do, they gave back all the protections to eSports paint (except Veteran).

 

Bad idea, notice the term Veteran and the meaning... they deserved the protections with that paint, they worked towards it.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

I know of quite a few players who are no longer going to put money into the game & reduce the time playing it. Big spenders are not going to be replaced. 

 

Staff are too arrogant to see that though, After all they think they did us a favor by giving us protection on premium paint for 'free'

Yes it's like handing us the ice-pack before kicking us in the crotch with this update  :lol:

[At_LeasT_YoU_TrieD 19]

i hate this update

[Maf 32,300]

wow this is the first you saying this .. i have never seen any of this mentioned in the new update section where most of us are unhappy

and what sale is this coming .. again not been told of any up coming sales..

I mentioned it a few times and now that information it a bit more.. confirmed. It went from "might happen" to "will likely happen", but no promises are being made yet.

 

As for sales - there are always sales coming at some point, not anytime soon though.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

So that 15% was needed for the past 8 months but is no longer needed ? Explain, I can't remember any new paints which have become available since ?

Any chance you can take time to answer this ? Mafioso.

[dineshb 1]

Why is jaguar ( a paint that costed 25k) 300k now?
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[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Brilliant question. Don't ask me though. I know nothing it seems..

[Maf 32,300]

 something  that will make a lot of people happy...

...and a lot of people UNhappy. Remember when premium was added? We had hundreds of players raging in the exact same way, saying things like "15% protection is extremely OP at low ranks" and "Premium paint gives 15% protection to players who simply pay, which is unfair to those who earned their protections in other special paints like Helper, Acid, Silver, etc."

 

Those people are now satisfied because the paint's protection got removed and instead we have people like you complaining about the change. You see the problem here? It's impossible to make everyone happy - no matter how developers change something, there will always be people to complain about it. This update benefits more people that it disappoints, so you are the minority. You will get another bonus to replace the paint's protection, but the 15% is not coming back. What can I say? Deal with it.

[F1ASC0 1,705]

Was it intentional to make BPs 1 shot?

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

 Deal with it.

Arrogance. 

 

Furthermore, we don't deserve some sort of an advantage for the money we put forth ? Isn't that the entire point of spending money on games ?!

[Maf 32,300]

So that 15% was needed for the past 8 months but is no longer needed ? Explain, I can't remember any new paints which have become available since ?

It was never needed. 15% isn't something premium players really needed or deserved. At high ranks the paint is basically useless and at low ranks it's OP. If developers could make it so that the paint had no protection and could somehow be applied on top of other paints, they would have done it. But due to the way paints work, the only way they could add a special paint and not make it a piece of trash that nobody would use was by giving it protection.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Was it intentional to make BPs 1 shot?

Yes.

[Maf 32,300]

Furthermore, we don't deserve some sort of an advantage for the money we put forth ? Isn't that the entire point of spending money on games ?!

In other games - maybe. Tanki devs still try to keep this game from turning into pay-to-win, therefore no item bought for real money should ever give a gameplay advantage over others. In this game you spend money to save time grinding and to buy fancy good-looking cosmetics to stand out and look cool. You don't buy victory.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

In other games - maybe. Tanki devs still try to keep this game from turning into pay-to-win, therefore no item bought for real money should ever give a gameplay advantage over others. In this game you spend money to save time grinding and to buy fancy good-looking cosmetics to stand out and look cool. You don't buy victory.

I see what you mean that we don't deserve it now, I really do. But I hold to my question, Why did they add it in the first place only for it to be removed? So they knew we wouldn't buy the Premium Account unless we had a special paint, okay. But why did they think when they removed the protection, that we would in fact CONTINUE paying for it ?

[Maf 32,300]

1) Why did you add it into the cost of a Premium Account in the first place

Nowhere does it say that part of the Premium account's cost is for the 15% in the paint. You don't get a receipt listing the prices of each individual item on the Premium account's list, so there is no reason to assume that the 15% protection was included in the cost.

 

 

It would be a whole different story if you got a list of items looking something like this:

• 100% extra crystals - $10
• 50% extra EXP - $5
• Ability to purchase XT items - $5
• PRO battles pass - $3
• Fancy rank icon - $2
• Unique paint - $3
• 15% protection - $2

Total = $30

 

If this was the case, then of course you could argue and rage about the 15% being removed without the $30 price tag being reduced by $2, and you would be totally correct. But that's not the case, therefore this argument is invalid

 

 

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Nowhere does it say that part of the Premium account's cost is for the 15% in the paint. You don't get a receipt listing the prices of each individual item on the Premium account's list, so there is no reason to assume that the 15% protection was included in the cost.

 

 

It would be a whole different story if you got a list of items looking something like this:

• 100% extra crystals - $10
• 50% extra EXP - $5
• Ability to purchase XT items - $5
• PRO battles pass - $3
• Fancy rank icon - $2
• Unique paint - $3
• 15% protection - $2

Total = $30

 

If this was the case, then of course you could argue and rage about the 15% being removed without the $30 price tag being reduced by $2, and you would be totally correct. But that's not the case, therefore this argument is invalid

 

 

I see. Don't you think it's a bit over priced without the paint ? Seems like the paint was part of the cost..but they don't care now because they've got their bottle of vodka which I paid for them.