Paint Separation Update

[Amon166 90]

Looks like this update is chasing people out, besides Smart Cooldowns.

[scralnax849 19]

I don't quite like this update, because this lengthy list of rantiness:

 

1.Kits. Paladin kit, for example, has a paint, (inferno), that is 440k crystals, AND HAS NO PROTECTIONS. Worthless, doesn't even look as good as some other, cheaper ones. Btw, Raiden kit is 451k crystals, and has less worth than before....

 

2.The prices. Dragon paint, my least favorite looking paint, is now 50k crystals. Zeus is 500k, so not worth it, but Clay is 10k.

 

3.protections. Cool names and all that, but no 50% protections anymore. I was saving for a kit with Clay....

 

But hey, it wasn't all bad. There's MINE PROTECTION MODULES now, and we all got some Premium time and double battle funds, which is nice.

 

and hey Prodigi, my favorite paint, is now only 55k. No protections, tho.

 

SUGGESTION: make kits buyable WITHOUT THE PAINT, or WITH SIMILAR PROTECTIOn MODULES, to make a 500k crystal paint worth it at all in a kit. (prometheus, and 440k inferno comes to mind.)

 

Also, please update your Product Kits list in the wiki.

 

and this rant/list is way to long,I sincerely hope you haven't died of boredom. If so, though, call 911.

how do u dial phone when ur ded???

[Alfimador 1,403]

What happened tanki? why not removing this update , when none likes it. Players are leaving this game because if this stupid update which is not needed. Good clan being closed. Players are having less interest in this game now. Everyone hates this update except FEW people. Majority of the players hates it. And u know the saying: Majority is authority.  

 

If you remove this update as soon as possible, players of this game would be delighted and they will know that tanki cares about its players!

but u cant because this is the good way to earn some money. As paints being insensibly high in its cost, players cant earn that much amount of crystals. Even if a player buyed a good paint of 300 000, it wont have any protection. So then he needs to earn crystals again to buy protection. Oh! and yea, you can also MU the protection! Now the only chance left for a player to have good paint and protection is to pay up tanki. Such a shame honestly.

 

This game dosent need this update. Maybe tanki devs needs it because: (reason is written above)

This update is an example of this: There was a supermarket. People came everyday and buyed stuff and left it happily. One day the supermarket's owner felt greedy and thought to earn more money. So the next day he made the prices high of the products which looked good and placed and extra tag of 10$ for the product's covering. The owner thought that the people are fools and they will pay up more money for the looks of the products and pay up extra 10$ as well. When people came to the supermarket, they saw the prices of the products touching the sky for no reason. So they angrily protested but the owner's greed didnt let him do anything. So some of the people started to hate the supermarket and had a bad picture in their minds about the owner and they left the supermarket. While few people who used their mom's credit card everyday didnt cared and bought they products they wanted at high cost and payed extra 10$. 

 

#IHateThisUpdate

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Fix the mult problem before nub update, thanks.

[dfoofnik 341]

Looks like this update is chasing people out, besides Smart Cooldowns.

Same old, same old. We get "features" we don't want or need, wasting programmer time they should use elsewhere, and all to try to get a paltry few more crystals out of players. Whoever is the brain behind these things: please quit and let someone smarter do your job.

Does it seem ironic that the term for this process was "disintegration" -- namely destroying the good will they had with the majority of players?

Edited July 17, 2016 by dfoofnik

[dfoofnik 341]

You are dead right there.  I do not want people seeing my profile as it is.  It is my concern.  I certainly do not want my tanks status  displayed.  No one asked me.  I am quite happy not seeing anyone else status either.  I care less about the paints but the R is the biggest mistake.  Why don't they just get on and fix all the other problems that people are concerned about, multing, hacking and bullying, misogyny, bad and aggressive language within the game etc.  R will probably suit the brainless who are incapable thinking anything out for them selves.  By far the worst update by far and will be bound to place another nail in the proverbial coffin.  The Sword of Damocles is dangling even more precariously.

Some sort of fixation with finding new features at the expense of fixing problems (like that time bomb, which my brother could have found in about half an hour, if someone had bothered to look for it). I think these devs (we see them on the Vlogs) are just trying to "wow" each other coming up with things the players do not want or need. The failure is in management: one creative guy and one bean counter who need to find other jobs.

[Captin_XLAB 276]

Well, in that case... Here I go.

 

>>Here are some ideas to improve this update.<<

 

For protections display, above every player should be the MODULE NAME. (like Needle or Zeus)

And there should be small icons displaying protections when a special key is pressed.

*(Only default protections should be shown, not the upgraded ones)

 

For XP/BP Players, there can be an empty module or a BP Module specially for XP/BP.

XP Module for Hornets, BP Module for Wasps (10% from Rail) So that XP/BP players can use their custom look in format battles which won't effect the gameplay.

 

New modules should be updated with some new paints too, or they can be purchased separately from the "Modules" tab in garage. Their price should be reduced too if they don't get a good paint/look with them. Coming up with an update of some awesome looking new paints and modules won't be a bad idea either.

 

Create a new topic for ideas for improvements for this update.

That's it for now, suggest changes to my ideas if you have any in the new topic.

 

Another Idea: All paints and their modules could be separate. BUT, cost of Module + Look should NOT be more than the cost of the same thing before this update.

 

Example: Zeus Look + Module shouldn't cost more than 250,000 crystals. The price of Module and Look should be divided according to the importance or equally. No one likes to pay extra for the same thing. As now the same thing costs 4 times more and 15% less protection.

 

* I'm trying as much as possible not to change the game experience.

 

Hope these ideas will help. :)

I updated it so... Quoting it again. How many players are with me?

I don't think mods and admins would like to "merge" my idea.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Captin_XLAB

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

and yet you are here, posting on Forum, when you have left. Ok

Logic.

 

Looks like this update is chasing people out, besides Smart Cooldowns.

Show me ONE person who has quit Tanki because of this update. And by quit, I mean not here, not posting, and will not come back.

[NamesAreForNoobs 324]

I was about to like this update. And I did, until

 

 

I couldn't find the module with hammer/thunder/twins protection because it doesn't exist. Of course the module I really want doesn't exist. :angry:

 

 

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

But we don't just want to forget it, clearly, as we spent money on it. You tell us not to go around and around over the same thing but here you are again.. put yourself in our shoes. Crazy as you think I am there is people like myself who bought it for the paint and nothing more.

You, spent $30, on a paint alone? Which wouldn't even last in your garage after a certain period of time? I choose not to believe it.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

You, spent $30, on a paint alone? Which wouldn't even last in your garage after a certain period of time? I choose not to believe it.

Yes I did in fact. Second, we weren't aware it wasn't going to be in our garage after some amount of time. Third, I don't care if you believe it or not, if I want crystals I buy them, I don't play enough to bother with double EXP or double crystals. 

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

My most sincere apologies for this one.  It was very uncalled for and please understand some minds got heated up over the past 24 hours, from both camps, and out of pure exhaustion.  Hard days for all tankers, not just players, but helpers, community management as well as developers. 

 

We just spoke about it a few minutes ago and our friend now understands that these "arguments" were not the actual malicious flaming for which he misinterpreted them, and I can assure you there was no malevolent intentions behind that warning.  We've talked it out and I'm confident all sides will be able to discuss freely, as long as all the discussion keep on being conducted in respectable manner and in regards to our usual rules.

 

Now lets get back to the real discussions, shall we :)

You don't need to apoligize to me XD I wasn't saying anyone was or wasn't fighting for the sake of fighting (like the rule stated). I merely was saying I never heard of that rule before.

 

Yes I did in fact. Second, we weren't aware it wasn't going to be in our garage after some amount of time. Third, I don't care if you believe it or not, if I want crystals I buy them, I don't play enough to bother with double EXP or double crystals. 

You had no idea that premium account runs out after a certain period of time, depending on the price you pay? I think you thought I meant that you should have known the paint would loose it's protections? No, you misunderstood, I meant the premium runs out altogether. And fine, I believe you that you paid $30 for the paint alone,  but don't you think it's a pretty dumb choice? It's not even such a good protections. Yes, it had protection against all turrets, but not a lot. I'd pay $5 max for it...

Either way, I agree with you: you paid for a paint, you should be able to get your money back OR, my greater suggestion, Tanki make a module with 15% against all turrets as a premium feature.

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

You had no idea that premium account runs out after a certain period of time, depending on the price you pay? I think you thought I meant that you should have known the paint would loose it's protections? No, you misunderstood, I meant the premium runs out altogether. And fine, I believe you that you paid $30 for the paint alone,  but don't you think it's a pretty dumb choice? It's not even such a good protections. Yes, it had protection against all turrets, but not a lot. I'd pay $5 max for it...

Either way, I agree with you: you paid for a paint, you should be able to get your money back OR, my greater suggestion, Tanki make a module with 15% against all turrets as a premium feature.

Yes I did think that's what you meant. Also, the paint may not seem like much, but it's quite well in drug wars which is what I was playing a lot at the time. I did know the premium ran out eventually, I bought it again and planned on buying it until I quit. This update stopped that; thanks for agreeing on the last part, but we won't receive any compensation for our loss as has already been stated ( I think )

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

Yes I did think that's what you meant. Also, the paint may not seem like much, but it's quite well in drug wars which is what I was playing a lot at the time. I did know the premium ran out eventually, I bought it again and planned on buying it until I quit. This update stopped that; thanks for agreeing on the last part, but we won't receive any compensation for our loss as has already been stated ( I think )

Eventually, I do believe the devs will change something...

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Eventually, I do believe the devs will change something...

Indeed. Perhaps they will make us click "Q" to see what hull another tanker is using.

[Dliver 436]

It has become plain to me that Tanki management and programmers really don't want to fix the real problems in the game. This update is purely a move to milk the dwindling number of players of tanki of the last bit of money they can squeeze out of them before the game finally goes belly up. I began playing over 4 years ago and truly enjoyed the game. It WAS at one time one of the best tank games out there. I have gone through many updates but this is worst one of all. It is confusing , unwieldy, and has made almost worthless the time money and effort that people have put into the game. I don't have to list all the problems with this update, just read through this thread. Most hate it, most never wanted it and most made those feelings known when the update was first announced, but these feelings were ignored. Many good ideas were put forward in those threads but none were listened too. So now we have this abortion that will, I think, finally bring this once great game to it's end.  To get any benefit from the new paint scheme you are literally going to have to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on it. Many have worked hard to build up their garages and have seen it either destroyed or greatly reduced in value by this update, and I think most are not going to keep sinking money into this growing money pit to restore what they have lost. Game players used to number over 100,000 during peak times when I first started playing 4 years ago, now the average is in the 60,000 range. Where do we go from here 50, 40, 30 thousand or even lower? They keep taking away the things that made the game fun and give us pour ideas in return. They took away all the good spots that gave light hulls a chance against heavies. They screwed up the game mechanics from realistic physics in favor of flying, flipping, and climbing tanks so that battles now look more like dogs humping each other than actual tank battles. They keep messing around with everything and fix nothing so that we are now at a point that the game is no longer fun to the normal player. So have fun hackers, have fun bullies, and shame on you developers for ruining a once great game.  Now I pass this last wish to those those who still dream of the fun tank game that tanki use to be - I truly wish for you that some developers will finally listen to you and save this game. So Good-bye and Good-night Tanki community I sadly leave hoping that someday that the developers will finally realize that success depends on keeping your customers happy and offering them a consistently good game that is enjoyable and not a pure money pit. Also where game problems are solved not just covered over by money grabbing updates.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Dliver

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

Indeed. Perhaps they will make us click "Q" to see what hull another tanker is using.

Q sets the camera so no xD

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

Q sets the camera so no xD

You know what I mean. It would be nice to see some quotes of where anyone asked for this update to happen. I was told it was requested but I can hardly believe that.

[Bydo 20,123]

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Edited July 18, 2016 by frozen_heart

[firerey101 67]

guys please put modules in kits!

[Captin_XLAB 276]

Make it the "v" or "f" key. Easy and close enough for toggle of displaying stuff.

Set alternatives as End or 0 (Numpad0) or RCtrl.

 

 

 

Tanki when running can use input from all keys including keys like Scroll Lock.

Even those keys (Scroll Lock, Pause Break) are locked for other overlays...

 

 

[P_U_N_I_S_H_E_R 732]

So I've cooled down a bit over all this. I have decided to make up a list of my exact thoughts on this, instead of going round and round over the same thing.

 

1) It was unnecessary for this update to happen. Let's say I joined a 10 x 10 in Silence. I joined with Tiger equipped, I get loaded in and I play with it for a few minutes only to find that it's not going to be a good choice, as the other team has a number of vulcans as well as a twins on the flag. So I change to Africa. For the sake of my argument, let's say I hate how Africa looks. Am I not almost forced to use it ? I can't do anything with Tiger, but it's either switch to that ugly Africa or lose the game. It just seems like it wasn't that important to have this update, regardless of how a paint looked there were times where you simply had to use it anyways.

 

2) If this was aimed at XP battles (which I was told was not the intention yet I still believe it was), why didn't they make it so paints in XP battles had no protection at all ? Even prodigi, when I joined the battle it lost it's protection until I left.

 

3) The premium paint. Mafioso was correct, none of us received a receipt saying that the paint was included with the purchase, however there were banners placed in V-Logs and across the forum (from what I remember) which stated the list of things included with Premium Accounts, and the 15% paint was in fact included in that. Now I'm not going to sit here and say that I haven't heard the paint was overpowered at lower and middle ranks. However, it seems to me like there could have been changes made regarding that, such as the paint had a different amount of protection at different ranks. Let's say they could have kept 15% for Brigadier through Generalissimo, Major through Colonel would have 10% (10% may be good for lower ranks too). That way, it's not over powered at any rank. Even if the (15% version) paint didn't unlock until a certain rank, let's say Major..its the same thing that already happens, you can't buy Clay at Major rank, because it would be overpowered, so if the 15% was overpowered at smaller ranks, make it unlock at a certain rank like all other paints, hence it wouldn't be giving buyers an unfair advantage (completely)

 

4) Other players being able to see our micro upgrade level. I don't like this new feature, I have personally played against clans with my friends' group which is basically an unofficial clan. If you have done this you'll know where I'm going with this, I won't explain further with that part. However, if the intention of this new feature was so my team can see how easily they're able to kill a certain opponent, that simply had no thought put into it, as that opponent has to be killed, regardless of how hard it is, correct ?

 

Final thoughts: 

 

I still believe this update was unnecessary in its entirety. There could have been changes rather than this which I have noted on above. 

[Alfimador 1,403]

 

Truth has been spoken

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

Tanki devs be like: "The only way to discover the limits of what is possible, is to go beyond them, do the impossible."

 

Joking.

[dfoofnik 341]

Logic.

 

Show me ONE person who has quit Tanki because of this update. And by quit, I mean not here, not posting, and will not come back.

  You daring me to quit? If I do, the admins are going to want you to pony up my regular cash purchases. Hope you got some cash.

   Logically you will NEVER find out who quit because of this, because they are not going to tell you, just leave.