Paint Separation Update

[Bydo 20,120]

Don't fool yourself into thinking that paints take 2 mins on MS Paint to make, they spend a lot of time designing the texture and ensuring that it wraps perfectly.

 

The football team paint is not a bad idea, but the logos are copyrighted and tanki has made country paints before (eg. Euro 2016)

euro 2014 and 2016 are the same paints they only had to make one new one for Wales ( if i remember correctly )..

[Feri12346789 0]

 

 

Hello! No Good To new Update. To First a Good!! "Vote,, https://www.facebook.com/groups/tankionlinegamers/permalink/880354298775874/

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

In the v-log, Hazel gave a designer watch analogy which has no basis whatsoever with regard to paints. Designer watches are more valuable because of their originality, quality or make-up whereas the paints in the garage are nothing special, just a pattern wrapped around your hull essentially. A 750k paint is inaccessible to the majority of players in this game and only few would be gullible enough to get something at that price that gives them nothing but nasty comments in chat.

 

A designer paint would be more a custom type paint that only appeals to a certain group of players.

examples: A country of origin paint or custom clan paint, football teams even...

Don't fool yourself into thinking that paints take 2 mins on MS Paint to make, they spend a lot of time designing the texture and ensuring that it wraps perfectly.

Who said anything about length of time and mspaint? Clue: It wasn't me.

 

Read carefully what I wrote and don't forget to read the word "essentially" at the end of my sentence. If you don't know what it means in this context, I suggest you look it up. I stand by what I said, "the paints in the garage are nothing special". Certainly not special or designer enough to get a price tag of 750k!

 

Please can you share with me the data you have on the time they spend, "designing the texture and ensuring that it wraps perfectly". I'd like to know how you know how much time they spend in order to determine it's "a lot".

 

 

The football team paint is not a bad idea, but the logos are copyrighted and tanki has made country paints before (eg. Euro 2016)

Even more reason to give it a designer label then!

 

 

Have you seen this?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZX3OH13Co

[buster978 0]

i like the update but with the prices of paints increasing the kits take up lots of crystals please do something about this all i want is that we can use the paints we want in the kit like for example i have the metalic paint and i wanna buy the holligan kit but cause the paint is 3500 i want it to be metalic not dirty 

  

[marc.jp_44 20,837]

Man these kits are so expensive rn. It costs like 50k more for the same thing,

[theFiringHand 21,351]

In fact, this statement is such complete nonsense that even one single hull / turret / protection module fully upgraded isn't even in the realm of possibilty of being obtained be a free player anymore before reaching the maximum rank allowed by the game, which puts anyone who doesn't use their wallets as their main weapon at a severe disadvantage throughout the entire ranking process. It's clearly designed this way, and it's complete rubbish to try and push the point of view that the game is anywhere close to fair or even balanced for someone who isn't fighting with large amounts of dollar bills instead of actual gameplay ability.

I'm sorry you feel that way. The fact remains that all of the equipment in the game is available to buy with in-game currency. Other games will typically have two currencies — one that you can earn inside the game, and one that can only be bought with real money. And in those games, the best items can only be bought for a combination of "in-game earned currency" and "purchased currency". We have no such thing in Tanki Online, and you know this as much as anyone else.

 

Yes, it is understandably easier for "buyer" to get crystals. And honestly, why shouldn't it be? There's a cost to everything in life, and the cost is always either time or money. If I have a business and I want to create a website, I need to pay for it. If I don't have the cash to invest in a website, then I'm gonna have to invest my time in learning how to build a website myself, and actually building it.

 

The same goes for Tanki Online. There are two ways to get crystals for buying equipment — you either invest your time, or you invest your money. Both of those paths will get you to where you want to be. If you choose not to invest money, then you'll have to invest time. But you have no right to resent "buyers" for having chosen to invest their money in the game.

 

What's more, you need to keep in mind that Tanki IS a business. And as a business, it employs a number of people who are working full-time to bring you this game. Don't you think it's only fair that there should be a monetization aspect to the game, especially considering that we're giving you the option to play the game 100% free?

 

A 750k paint is inaccessible to the majority of players in this game and only few would be gullible enough to get something at that price that gives them nothing but nasty comments in chat.

 

A designer paint would be more a custom type paint that only appeals to a certain group of players.

examples: A country of origin paint or custom clan paint, football teams even...

If it's not accessible to certain players, then they can choose not to buy it. It will not affect their gameplay in any way. And why would an expensive paint bring the owner nasty comments? Sour grapes?

 

Seriously, is this the road this community is taking? Insult a player just because he can afford to buy a paint that I can't afford? I could MAYBE understand that if a "buyer" were getting a gameplay advantage over a "non-buyer", but this... no it definitely doesn't make sense.

[falcosenna1 8,320]

Man these kits are so expensive rn. It costs like 50k more for the same thing,

Yeah, I was saving crystals on my alt account to buy the Hornet m2 Railgun m2 kit. I've thought about giving up on trying to get enough crystals on my alt account. :P A module or a paint in the kit is okay, but both in one and the same kit make it too expensive. :P

 

 

If it's not accessible to certain players, then they can choose not to buy it. It will not affect their gameplay in any way. And why would an expensive paint bring the owner nasty comments? Sour grapes?

 

Seriously, is this the road this community is taking? Insult a player just because he can afford to buy a paint that I can't afford? I could MAYBE understand that if a "buyer" were getting a gameplay advantage over a "non-buyer", but this... no it definitely doesn't make sense.

I must agree on this. It's somehow like the gold feature. It gives the buyers some extra 'fun' while it doesn't give them an extra advantage in terms of gameplay. 

 

Don't try to wear the paint in a battle full of non-buyers. They'll kill you. :ph34r: 

Edited August 1, 2016 by falcosenna1

[Maf 32,300]

Hi tankers :

 

 

There is a small idea to do it in tanki instead of new update about the paints and protections which was hard one to play and focus in battle .

 

when you play now it is difficult thing to press R to check protections with new ones , shooting , move your tank , move camera and focus in your game .

 

my suggestion is putting for each gun one letter for example :

 

H = hummer

i = isida

F = fire

v= vulcan ... etc

 

it appears you the protections of another team like a ( Tap ) but for any gun you choose , it's maybe easier than pressing R when you play .

 

i'm pleased to see your comments and opinions .

Topic merged

[LaserShark 2,095]

I'm sorry you feel that way. The fact remains that all of the equipment in the game is available to buy with in-game currency. Other games will typically have two currencies — one that you can earn inside the game, and one that can only be bought with real money. And in those games, the best items can only be bought for a combination of "in-game earned currency" and "purchased currency". We have no such thing in Tanki Online, and you know this as much as anyone else.

 

Yes, it is understandably easier for "buyer" to get crystals. And honestly, why shouldn't it be? There's a cost to everything in life, and the cost is always either time or money. If I have a business and I want to create a website, I need to pay for it. If I don't have the cash to invest in a website, then I'm gonna have to invest my time in learning how to build a website myself, and actually building it.

 

The same goes for Tanki Online. There are two ways to get crystals for buying equipment — you either invest your time, or you invest your money. Both of those paths will get you to where you want to be. If you choose not to invest money, then you'll have to invest time. But you have no right to resent "buyers" for having chosen to invest their money in the game.

 

What's more, you need to keep in mind that Tanki IS a business. And as a business, it employs a number of people who are working full-time to bring you this game. Don't you think it's only fair that there should be a monetization aspect to the game, especially considering that we're giving you the option to play the game 100% free?

 

Both arguments are the same exact things I've seen pushed by games that are no longer alive or just barely alive thanks to the developers zeal for money over playability. Just look at Dark Orbit, Need for Speed World, or any major online game that took the pay2win route way too far.

Yes, Tanki is a business that needs money to survive, but it seems to have survived well enough before the developers added micro-upgrades, premium accounts, product kits, and other features to cater solely to the people who are too addicted to spend their money in any sort of reasonable fashion.

Secondly, just because you don't have a premium currency doesn't mean everything's availible to a free player. It would be difficult to not see the fact that things in this game are clearly and intentionally priced beyond the range of free players.

 

Product kits -- ~ 300K for M3 stuff, out of the range of anyone earning the crystals normally, but gives quite a deal for someone acquiring a large amount of crystals all at once, something only wallet warriors can do.

Micro Upgrades  -- The prices here are clearly absurd, and split into nice, easy to digest little segments, so your wallet warriors don't understand just how much they are really spending.

Drug Kits -- Again, not designed for free players at all, and completely out of the price range for any free player under the rank of Generalissmo, it's obvious they are there to only benefit people who spend large amounts of cash for their crystals.

 

Just look at Tanki as a company, it flourished and even grew under a much more even spender/free player balance for years, and now it's rotting under a clear and obvious pay2win system. Tanki isn't a game anymore, it's a cash cow. Every battle is based very little on skill and more on which side has spent the most.

And  the less free players you have, the less wallet warriors you have, it's generally a pretty even statistic across all mobile platforms that the major spenders are about 8% of your total population, so by driving your free players away, you're driving away your spenders as well.

Edited August 2, 2016 by LaserShark

[spertian 1]

sounds grate. but something has been bothering me i'd really like to see the enemies health bar this would be grate to see how much damage your turret is doing especially if its upgraded this would be a big update and not only me but many others would enjoy it thanks!   

Edited August 1, 2016 by spertian

[Bydo 20,120]

you also have to understand when a company makes too much money they need to spend or waste money on things that are useless to most people ... this is one way to hide from  having to pay high  tax's on a company.. how do i know this cause i have run 4 small business in my life time

 

so when they do these updates they get to right off the wages for employee's and the other things that  create these things...and if you look at tanki's record over the years , they end up changing upgrades in about 3 months to 6 months ..I have only seen a few  program's  that have gone  ..  ..can i see the gold box's changing in about 4 months or so..  i think it will...

[OKDad70 862]

Has anyone noticed how uneconomical it is to buy a new module to replace a legacy module?

 

For my vulcan account, which is only W5, I have the legacy storm fully MUd. I planned to purchase Loam as soon as I ranked to it. However, with the new modules, I plan to purchase the Kodiak-TA. Given the new leveled schema, I cannot justify getting it before ranking to Lt General. That is a long time with the storm module. M1 is too much given up. At captain, I could get M2, but I'd spend more crystals for it and the MUs just to get it to where my storm is already. Thus, save the crystals and make do with 30% fire, and the smidgens for freeze and hammer, and just wait to get the M3 at an affordable crystal level, and finally have some extra protection from a couple of the more important turrets.

 

Of course, for this account, my main, it is no big deal. I will consider where I have holes in my legacy protections and get an M3 triple when the crystal pile is big enough. No worries for high ranks, but a bummer for midranks. Keep up with the midrankers handbook. That is at least something.

 

Regardless, the leveled, uniform, noncreative, inflexible, predictable new modules mostly set anyone with at least one good module at the midranks, just having to bide his time, or spend much too many crystals. The frugal tanker will just have to grind it out.

 

I like the split, but I like the diversity of the old protections. The new is just too simplistic.

[Feri12346789 0]

No good new update!! :angry:

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

sounds grate. but something has been bothering me i'd really like to see the enemies health bar this would be grate to see how much damage your turret is doing especially if its upgraded this would be a big update and not only me but many others would enjoy it thanks!   

I'd like to see how much damage I inflicted but I know this would never happen.

Split the left hand side chat up to include a running display of inflicted damage

eg,

tanker A +50

tanker B +10

etc

I don't have to see how much Tanker A and B have left, nor do I need to see everyone's damage rates, I just would like to know how much I inflicted.

 

The whole game virtually is geared up to make calculating damage practically impossible for any one shot. For me, something like this would restore some of the confidence I have lost in the game. An update such as this would get me singing tanki's praises.

[MusicJam19 737]

Who said anything about length of time and mspaint? Clue: It wasn't me.

 

Read carefully what I wrote and don't forget to read the word "essentially" at the end of my sentence. If you don't know what it means in this context, I suggest you look it up. I stand by what I said, "the paints in the garage are nothing special". Certainly not special or designer enough to get a price tag of 750k!

 

Please can you share with me the data you have on the time they spend, "designing the texture and ensuring that it wraps perfectly". I'd like to know how you know how much time they spend in order to determine it's "a lot".

 

 

Even more reason to give it a designer label then!

 

 

Have you seen this?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZX3OH13Co

You take things too literally mate. I mentioned MS Paint because you contrasted the watch with the paints, which you said has "originality and quality, WHEREAS the paints..." You essentially implied that the paints lack these features. MS Paint being a free, low quality application that people can use to make a Tanki paint, .

 

I don't know what you are going on about with the video, from what I was bothered to watch I saw Micah grab a texture from Fireworks and turn it into a paint. From what I know, the designers in Tanki actually draw those textures with drawing tablets. Even during the first vlogs (in Bruce's time) he hand drew the props and background with a tablet. In fact, you can probably see the designers draw the paints during one of the vlogs.

 

And good luck trying to get the devs to design 50+ paints for the different teams, then get players complaining that their fav team isn't there. Plus with the cost of licensing the paints will be even more expensive.

[falcosenna1 8,320]

The first one I've seen. 

 

[r_md920 2]

The Premium paint loses its imporiance.

So, TO devlopers can create a premium protection module.

It will be avilable only then, when your prmium account is activated.

[Indian_Tanker 468]

I really wish that they will undo this update

[Bydo 20,120]

I really wish that they will undo this update

we're now stuck with it .. mainly these crazy prices .. for the rest of it .. we  will have to wait and see when they decide..when this one will  be in  garbage like rest of the  updates of the past...

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

You take things too literally mate. I mentioned MS Paint because you contrasted the watch with the paints, which you said has "originality and quality, WHEREAS the paints..." You essentially implied that the paints lack these features. MS Paint being a free, low quality application that people can use to make a Tanki paint, .

I take things too literally? You don't start a post with, "Don't fool yourself into thinking that paints take 2 mins on MS Paint to make", and not expect me to take that as a jibe.

 

And it was Hazel in the v-log comparing paints to designer watches first. I never implied that paints lacked the features that make a designer item special, I came right out and said as much. The paints are nothing special. Certainly not special or designer enough to get a price tag of 750k!

 

These price tags and the whole way in which paints were pitched to us borders on the obscene in my opinion and it preys on the gullible. Sure, there will be some players where money is no object but there will also be those who believe that pitch, spend 750k on a pattern, then immediately regret it afterwards.

 

Then there are the paints bundled in to kits which keeps those prices high too. Tanki are saying we don't have to buy paints if we don't want to so I look forward to them removing them from kits. Players save for months or years even to buy a kit and then they go a do this to them. Somebody has to stand up for the players who haven't got that much to spend on the game.

 

Of course the video was lost on you and I expect nothing from the devs thanks.

Edited August 2, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[Bydo 20,120]

ok guys since this update did  come out.. there has been little to no movement on these issues.. only  a tiny part has been changed..

 

now i understand how frustrated we all are ,but as i see it , with the past chats i did have with MR. CEDRIC ...that if there are to be any 

 

changes,   it will come later down the road .. For  now there is nothing to do but wait and see what happens ..

 

personally do I like it well no but what do you expect from a company..

Edited August 2, 2016 by frozen_heart

[MusicJam19 737]

I take things too literally? You don't start a post with, "Don't fool yourself into thinking that paints take 2 mins on MS Paint to make", and not expect me to take that as a jibe.

 

And it was Hazel in the v-log comparing paints to designer watches first. I never implied that paints lacked the features that make a designer item special, I came right out and said as much. The paints are nothing special. Certainly not special or designer enough to get a price tag of 750k!

 

These price tags and the whole way in which paints were pitched to us borders on the obscene in my opinion and it preys on the gullible. Sure, there will be some players where money is no object but there will also be those who believe that pitch, spend 750k on a pattern, then immediately regret it afterwards.

 

Then there are the paints bundled in to kits which keeps those prices high too. Tanki are saying we don't have to buy paints if we don't want to so I look forward to them removing them from kits. Players save for months or years even to buy a kit and then they go a do this to them. Somebody has to stand up for the players who haven't got that much to spend on the game.

 

Of course the video was lost on you and I expect nothing from the devs thanks.

Of course mate, if you say that "Designer watches are more valuable because of their originality, quality or make-up WHEREAS the paints in the garage are nothing special," you are also implying, through the use of WHEREAS, that the paints are a contrast (or at least differs) - that they lack originality, quality or make-up.

Which is why I mentioned MS Paint, because you can use it to make a 10/10 substandard paint for your tank.

 

As for the price, yes it is ridiculously high for the majority. The devs know that and despite what you think, they can hear when you guys say to lower the price. They need to work out how much they need to lower it by. They can't just set it at 5k each or not it will mess up the economy. So if it takes a while for the improvements, just wait. Playing with an old paint you have for now won't kill you, will it?

 

If the video was lost on me, perhaps you would like to explain what you were trying to say?

[Bydo 20,120]

Of course mate, if you say that "Designer watches are more valuable because of their originality, quality or make-up WHEREAS the paints in the garage are nothing special," you are also implying, through the use of WHEREAS, that the paints are a contrast (or at least differs) - that they lack originality, quality or make-up.

Which is why I mentioned MS Paint, because you can use it to make a 10/10 substandard paint for your tank.

 

As for the price, yes it is ridiculously high for the majority. The devs know that and despite what you think, they can hear when you guys say to lower the price. They need to work out how much they need to lower it by. They can't just set it at 5k each or not it will mess up the economy. So if it takes a while for the improvements, just wait. Playing with an old paint you have for now won't kill you, will it?

 

If the video was lost on me, perhaps you would like to explain what you were trying to say?

i'm not sure what will happen.. but i can say in the past we complained about prices before and nothing changed .. so for now i can't see prices changing or anything else .. if you noticed the mods and CM only pop in once in a wail , there not interested at listening to the same old song now.. in my books they have closed this topic but will keep it open until someone comes up with some interesting plans

[OKDad70 862]

I worked hard to get the Red Suit paint while it was available. I like it, and I'm slightly proud of it. I like the protection module, and I use it some. I'm rather miffed that you made the Panda D-C the same protection. Cheapens my unique product.

 

It hurts. It is an offense. It was a bad decision on your part. The Red Suit legacy module should have stayed unique.

 

I still have the cool red suit color. There is that.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Of course mate, if you say that "Designer watches are more valuable because of their originality, quality or make-up WHEREAS the paints in the garage are nothing special," you are also implying, through the use of WHEREAS, that the paints are a contrast (or at least differs) - that they lack originality, quality or make-up.

Which is why I mentioned MS Paint, because you can use it to make a 10/10 substandard paint for your tank.

 

As for the price, yes it is ridiculously high for the majority. The devs know that and despite what you think, they can hear when you guys say to lower the price. They need to work out how much they need to lower it by. They can't just set it at 5k each or not it will mess up the economy. So if it takes a while for the improvements, just wait. Playing with an old paint you have for now won't kill you, will it?

 

If the video was lost on me, perhaps you would like to explain what you were trying to say?

You have an unhealthy obsession with mspaint - mate! The truth is, you manufactured something I supposed to have thought and then proceeded to try and refute that thought. Again, I implied nothing because unlike many people here, I just say what I think.

 

My beef is not just with price, excessive as it is, it was with the pitch too and if I'm pulling no punches and being totally honest, it  was also irresponsible.  We like the little stories tanki tell us from time to time, eg, freeze turret being invented, getting made from vacuum cleaner and fridge parts or whatever it was because they're fun and harmless, but here I believe they're using their influence to convince us that these items are somehow special when they're clearly not. Tanki should NOT do that.

• "Paints have become a status symbol"
• "I would compare paints with watches. Even a $10 ordinary watch can show the exact time but if you're wearing a designer watch worth several 1000's of dollars on your wrist, it will DEFINITELY get you A LOT more attention than the $10 piece of plastic."

So do tell. What makes these paints so special? As far as I can tell, it's just the price? You don't make an item sort after simply by giving it a huge price tag! This is wrong on so many levels in my opinion.

 

Cue the, 'you don't have to buy it',responses...

 

 

Eeeew!! that paint looks worse every time I see it. I know it's just a matter of taste and I assume there's folk out there that like the look of it. But to me, Golden Star paint just looks like someone has grated a load of cheese over your tank and grilled it.