Alterations, Kits and Supplies Kits!

[Legacy 754]

hate it, and only the mods and  the big buyers liked the first post :angry:

[The-Operator219 1,929]

 

 

Me or him? He thinks racism is nation based so i'm pretty sure you're talking to him. :rolleyes:

At this point I am talking to a brick wall. I myself have been as stubborn and unwilling to accept facts as he is.

[xX_I.Love.Her_Xx 2,650]

At this point I am talking to a brick wall.

That doesn't really answer my question :rolleyes:

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Yes. I am talking to him. .-. You can't tell that from the context of my post? "I was once as stubborn as he was"

 

Person speaking.         A third person, usually not the one you are currently talking to. You don't call someone "he" when speaking directly too them.

Edited September 22, 2016 by The-Operator219

[xX_I.Love.Her_Xx 2,650]

Yes. I am talking to him. .-.

hahah okeyy :lol:

 

 

hhhh people stopped replying to me so does that mean I'm right?

Edited September 22, 2016 by xX_I.Love.Her_Xx

[dan146_tanker 770]

1.

 

Maybe this'll make some players more prudent in their substance use habits, since they can't earn the crystals to buy bulk supplies. Buyers will continue to buy of course but this is another attempt to monetize the game. Obviously, this game was created to generate revenue, that's what video games are for! But we can continue to have fun nonetheless. Good Luck on the battlefield and Tank-it-EZ   :D

2.

 

Yeah dude. Just stop ok. We know your a buyer ok... If your a buyer than well your a buyer. So pls stop talking to me unless you have something that is not silly to talk about... I use something called ''skill'' to earn my crystals. You should try it some time. Btw.. pls stop replying to my posts its kinda annoying. Especially if you don't understand skill and just say people sulk cause they don't have crystals. I do have a PRO pass FYI. But if I'm the only one buying it how can I play PRO battles? Think before talking, Thank You.

3.

 

OMG!!! If you want to waste my time at least get informed kid.

 

I got golds in a mission, and i did earn all my crystals. I know how to play good and save crystals. I bought everything in kits and in sales so it's not that hard for people who have a working brain.

4.

 

I was sure i'm not gonna comment more on this,because it doesn't make any difference,it's just like taliking to a wall..

 

get one thing straight

 

IF FREE PLAYERS LOOSE WHAT THEY LIKE,they will simple leave,as many left after so called "rebalance update" and after introducing MU into the game

 

you base your logic on weird assumption that player base is mature,only that makes sence with your text,that they'll stay and adapt..one big LMAO from me about that,check ur's database,compare number of players on daily base from 2012 till now..every game which develops in user friendly direction would grow..but,in this parody it WENT DOWN

 

or that is your plan?..to get as many players out as possible before TX (btw,I love your description of that game ;) )?

 

I really think that decisions like that shouldn't be done in devs office only..listen to ur god damn veterans..if someone knows what game needs or doesn't need,are THEM

 

but,as allways,u r all blind,or,I have to say it,fully aware of bann,u r all less inteligent then a tree

5.

 

1. Race isn't nationality kid

 

2. You know that they can speak Arabic right? You know that they can talk to eachother right? You know that they can tell eachother that, right???

 

3. Their problem. If they buy they should at least pay attention to how they waste money their parents earned.

 

4. If it wasn't for me why is it here and not in PM with a mod? Everything here is for US players to see. And i never pretended to be responsible for replying to you. I'm not, I like being correct so I'll just milk the moment a bit more. ^_^

 

 

No it isn't, looking at what you get from it and yes. I bought 200 crystals when it was that first buy +20k promotion. I'm a real noob buyer huh :(

 

Did i? I saw that he's complaining about 5k when topic was about drugs. Why complain about it when absolutely nothing changes from him? Him not having enough crystals for pro pass means he for sure doesn't have crystals to buy drugs. So it's pointless for him to even be here, nothing changes from him.

 

6.

 

like i have said all ready once a drugger always a drugger , we wont change , we will find other ways to get them.. think about it how H**** plays he times the supply box's so he know exactly when they drop and he get them as he is  just about to run out ,.. this is called skills in game play if you can do this then you will always have full drugs in battles

 

7.

 

I know a lot about skill.... and just cause your last rank doesn't mean you have more skill... Also at my rank 5k is a lot. Also a question, have you ever bought crystals?

 

All of this talk about supplies. And its only this page. Ok Tanki I don't think its right to compare you to a tree cause personally I think the tree would do a much better job right now. I feel like if I were to be talking to a wall I'd be more likely to be heard. You people are just plain silly.... You wonder why people leave and now you wonder why you have less money cause people are leaving. (HINT: Supplies are the reason). Um.... what is the solution you choose to do? You choose to put kits and equipment into the shop and out of the garage. Seriously is a two year old running this company? Like I just have to ask like I don't think so. If a two year old was running he might have been doing a better job right now. At this point I just give up. By the time you guys wake up is the same time pigs fly. Its right in front of your eyes, like dudes what's the problem? Supplies: Just do something ok. WOW, xXx.RazoR.xXx you guys are less intelligent than a tree.

[xX_I.Love.Her_Xx 2,650]

Dan as far as I'm considered you can leave, I feel like you'd be doing us a favor anyway.

[Doctor.Noob 3,270]

Well done !  If you want to banish players from Tanki online you ar on the right path. Update by update this last 3-4 mounth this game becomes pay to win game. But it is you goal, Is it ? Too little interested players joined in open testing in Tanki X ? 

 

When Tanki X finally comes, perhaps I leave Tanki online, and join Tanki X.  But Tanki X and Tanki online have one problem, same devolepers.

Because that I am out from Tanki X !

[I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E 120]

Finally supplies' kits won't be available to everyone so easily. You want to spam supplies all day long? You want to overtake battles using 100% supplies? Pay for them, and let other users play without them.

 

This is how I see this update and I really like it. Players complained for ages that many users "abused" the usage of supplies, but now that supplies will be made harder to obtain, they still complain?

Paying for supplies means less supplies-users since not all of us are willing to spend, so only some players will buy to use supplies, the rest will be able to play without them more often now.

Consider this comment as a dislike to yours !

 

There will be just less competition for the people who still drugg is what u meen. And more easy targets to since none buyers will no longer have drugges.

Edited September 22, 2016 by I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E

[CooperO 7,956]

Than why second box is unlocked for my smoky m3 and freeze m3 and thunder m3 ??

 

 

Because for those turrets, Tanki has only released m1 alterations, the rest will follow eventually.

 

OK!! I have a question.

Why all the countries around the world buy crystals cheaper than The Middle East?

 

Let's see the supplies kit for example.

 

   

 

It is  19.99 USD.  Let's see the price in Saudi Arabia

 

 

It is 74.68 SAR  in the Saudi Riyal 

 

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Let's see the price in Russia 

 

 

It is  549 RUB.

 

If we change ( 549 RUB to USD ) How much is it going to be ? Let's Find out.

 

 

 

Arabs: WTH!!!!!

Tanki: Surprise Arabs!!! We have been stealing money from you for 6 years. xaxaxa

 

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Make the prices equal for the all countries .Otherwise, we're not going to buy anything in this game anymore.

 

 

No more racism

By 'all countries' you actually mean 'Russia', right? And by 'The Middle East' you actually mean 'all countries except for Russia', right? Since it's not only more expensive for Arabs, it's more expensive for all other countries and currencies.

Good, now that we're on the same page on that, there is a reason that crystals for Russians are cheaper, it has been explained many times before, but I'll quote the words of the great  here again, and I hope you will read it thoroughly.

 

 

 

 

I've not checked and verified the numbers claimed above, but there is an existing discrepancy in prices for sure.  And the reason for that is just international economics. The game's house is in Russia, its banks, lawyers, facilities, employees, taxes, etc ... all in Russia.  And a huge chunk of their customers from Russia as well.  Whenever these guys buy something in the game, they pay the local prices, just like you would for buying anything in your own country.  So far so good. Now for the rest of us not in Russia (or neighboring countries with strong ties and economics deeply interwoven with Russia's) , we have to go through an international monetary transaction system to buy anything in that game.  And that involves our banks sending our order through its payments aggregator / service provider and they deal with the middle guys (paypal, google wallet and such) and then these guys deal with the other intermediary companies in between and then it goes to the transaction services providers of Tanki's banks and then it finally gets to tanki's bank account. ^ That long process happens electronically and in mere seconds, hence why we often forget about it, but nevertheless that's how it works.  And along that chain, EVERYBODY wants their cut on the transaction.  When you add all that up the price has already increased rather significantly and wait, doesn't stop there !!  Now tanki also has to pay other taxes on these foreign incomes as required by Russian laws and tax policies and probably that's at this point that cedric will come and say "hey where's my 1 cent in that?" ^ That last bit was of course a joke, but, you get an idea of how long a payment chain can be.  And each of these services along that line has their own charges, and all these add up and we have a big discrepancy. Another factor is currently Russia's economy is being boosted internally, check the news, and a lot of these service charges that russian locals would have suffered from, or rather bear the cost of, have been lowered, and that's another factor to consider in these discrepancy.

 

 

[Lankero 595]

1. By removing the the drug kit from the garage, normal players can't fight buyers anymore because buyers will just keep on buying to have an advantage in this game, and with this update their advantages just got 2x bigger  :lol: 

 

2. Buyers will not stop buying supplies because the advantages they give them are too good from now on, so saying druggers will stop drugging is just stupid. Especially when they are this cheap. 

 

3. Dear devs, you can't predict how your updates affect the game when you don't play yourselves nearly as much as the community. So I suggest you should start listening to the communities instead of killing your own game slowly. 

 

 

Why are people crying about the price differences in different countries? If you know Russia has lower prices, stop crying and use them instead of the european prices, as simple as that. 

 

All I'm saying bring the drug kit back in the garage, so it could be purchased both with real money and crystals. 

[I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E 120]

This is sort of what I meant to say, good catch.

Now, everyone can spend money and buy crystals, then buy supplies' kits and get TONS of supplies at discounted price. After this update, to afford the same amount of supplies, they will need to directly drop REAL MONEY, not crystals.

 

Buyers will end up fighting with other buyers only, and not with normal players, since normal players will avoid them!

Due to this, buyers won't enjoy seeing their capital balance go down while getting a bunch of supplies and waste them on useless fights supplies-vs-supplies, they won't enjoy the advantage they had before since normal users will avoid buyers and buyers will fight between themselves alone for the most.

:D Thats what u think but obviously u have never heard of take overs and clans. Even if 2 buyers get on a team of none buyers vs none buyers they will crush them. Its impossible to avoid druggers. Then all the none buyers will complain just as much muhahaha

[Achilleus 156]

Omg are you guys trying to make us non-buyers extinct? Jeez might as well make TO a game that you have to buy.

[xX_I.Love.Her_Xx 2,650]

Omg are you guys trying to make us non-buyers extinct? Jeez might as well make TO a game that you have to buy.

Before this, 5/10 players were drugging. This way only 2/10 will drug and coz they are heavy buyers.

 

They didn't make it worse, they fixed it, you just cant see the difference

[Achilleus 156]

1. By removing the the drug kit from the garage, normal players can't fight buyers anymore because buyers will just keep on buying to have an advantage in this game, and with this update their advantages just got 2x bigger   :lol:

 

2. Buyers will not stop buying supplies because the advantages they give them are too good from now on, so saying druggers will stop drugging is just stupid. Especially when they are this cheap. 

 

3. Dear devs, you can't predict how your updates affect the game when you don't play yourselves nearly as much as the community. So I suggest you should start listening to the communities instead of killing your own game slowly. 

 

 

Why are people crying about the price differences in different countries? If you know Russia has lower prices, stop crying and use them instead of the european prices, as simple as that. 

 

All I'm saying bring the drug kit back in the garage, so it could be purchased both with real money and crystals. 

Well said. I totally agree with you.

[Achilleus 156]

Before this, 5/10 players were drugging. This way only 2/10 will drug and coz they are heavy buyers.

 

They didn't make it worse, they fixed it, you just cant see the difference

Oh ok, so the ones who bought drugs with crystals will stop, but not the ones who buy with real money? Don't see how that makes a difference...

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Is it usefull to spend crystals on alternations NOW, if we do not know yet what ather alternatiosn will come?

 

Maybe someone has Smoky and Thunder... and spends his crystals on a Smoky Alternation. Later the other alternations are rolled out by another update.. and then he sees, that he would have been better off purchasing 2 alternations for Smoky, as this would ahve suited him more.

 

Of course Tanki coooould be so nice and give some ideas what will come next..

[The-Operator219 1,929]

Is it usefull to spend crystals on alternations NOW, if we do not know yet what ather alternatiosn will come?

 

Maybe someone has Smoky and Thunder... and spends his crystals on a Smoky Alternation. Later the other alternations are rolled out by another update.. and then he sees, that he would have been better off purchasing 2 alternations for Smoky, as this would ahve suited him more.

 

Of course Tanki coooould be so nice and give some ideas what will come next..

Of course! For smoky, we have something special planned.

We lower the reload and impact force and increase the damage... AND, it can only damage heavy hulls! C:

Aren't we genius?

[Achilleus 156]

 

 

GG  :P  :P  :P  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You spent 160k on drugs?

[LittleWillie 3,199]

 

Developers say that every single item that affects gameplay is available to free players in the garage. This is somewhat true, because indeed it's not like there are special supplies in the Shop sold for only real money which give you 2x more power than normal supplies. But let's face it, there is no way a free player is able to compete with a buyer who has practically limitless supplies.

 

A Generalissimo may get about 100 supplies a day from daily missions. That's if they are really lucky and they don't go for crystal missions (which is in fact what most players want). So to complete these missions the player needs about 30 minutes of intensive gameplay. During that gameplay he will die on average about 50 times and therefore have the opportunity to use 150 - 200 supplies (or 40 of each). He may get around 1000 crystals from the battle and if he spends those on supplies again - it will be just about enough to buy more supplies and cover the expense of the 30 minute battle.

 

So the result is that to be able to compete with a buyer who drugs non-stop, the player is only able to play for 30 minutes a day and get absolutely no extra crystals for anything other than supplies (alterations, MUs, equipment, etc.). And that's on a good day. Someone who wants to get crystals and plays with wasp will end up getting 30-50 supplies per day and using over 50 in a battle (since wasps die a lot), so that kind of player will run out of supplies in no time and what then?

 

And it's not like buyers aren't affected by this too. Unless they play only DM mode, the player will constantly encounter players without supplies in their team in normal battles. And it's not exactly pleasant to have a situation where you drug like crazy, bring your team out of a hole towards the end of a match and when some noob picks up the winning flag you drop when you got killed, he loses it because he doesn't have a DA or repair kit to use when he gets attacked. And the battle is lost.

 

The lack of balance between buyers and free players when it comes to supplies has been like a rotten limb for Tanki ever since they were introduced. The smart cooldowns update helped a little bit but not enough. And now with the removal of big supplies kits from garage free players are left with no hope for fair battles.

 

In my honest opinion, this will only worsen the game in the coming future unless tanki does something to stop it.

For example:

• Make supplies completely free for everyone to use and 100% skill-dependent. Buying more supplies than another player should NOT give someone an advantage.
• Move the no-supplies setting from PRO battles into normal battle settings. This will at least give free players a chance to re-stock on supplies by completing daily missions and earning crystals without using their supplies to do it.
• Limit the number of supplies which can be used in normal battles. Allow something like 5-10 of each supply in a 15 minute battle. This will force players to at least be more careful with supplies and use them only when extremely necessary. (Although this can be abused with use of alts)
• In addition to at least one of the above, reduce power of the Repair kit and make it less OP. Reduce its duration to 50% (from 2 seconds to 1) and make the cost the same as all other supplies. At the moment the repair kit is what makes hardcore druggers so unbalanced and fights between players - annoyingly lengthy.

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The variety you get when trying to find a good PRO battle is miserable. Right now (pretty much the peak online times) there are around 260 PRO battles for my rank. Sounds like a lot? Well let's narrow it down:

- 150 XP/BP battles (78 of which are on Sandbox, 21 on Zone and 15 on Polygon CP, while half of the remainder are duels/tandems)

- 17 are Parkour format

- 20 are Polygon CP

- 15 are Arena CP

- 21 are a 2 player Arena DM (so most likely power-leveling)

 

So that leaves me with 37 proper battles to choose from.

Remove all the Polygon/Sandbox battles, all the 1v1 battles, ridiculous battles (1 minute/kill or 999 flags/minutes) and battles with supplies turned on and you're left with 5 at most.

 

So if I want to play a PRO battle with no supplies, using any combo, on a non-mainstream map, with a sensible limit, I'm left with a choice of up to five battles, 2 or 3 of which will be on the same server, if I'm lucky. I don't consider that a good alternative to the choice of non-PRO battles (which is still quite limited, but nevertheless at least 10x more diverse).

 

And that's for a generalissimo who has a full M4 garage. Think of anyone below the maximum rank - all PRO battles from Major and up will never be limited to their rank so they will be forced to play against generalissimos (and obviously being called a "mult"). PRO battles with no MUs are also pretty much non-existent. And I'm not even talking about ranks below Major - finding a good PRO battle there on ANY server can happen probably once a month at most.

 

That's what I thought too, but see my calculation above for supplies used by the average player. The game works in such a way that you can't get more supplies by putting in more time and effort because you use more supplies during the time you spend to get those supplies back. It's a never-ending cycle that puts any free player into a massive hole. And in order to get out of it the player is forced to either pay real money or leave and find a better game.

 

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P.S.  Cedric, this post isn't in any way meant to criticise your answers or your work in general, but this is my honest feedback to developers about what they've been doing with the game by incorporating supplies and now, making them extremely hard to get for free players. I hope they see this comment and take appropriate action. I'm all for adding more buyer-only cosmetic features and fancy stuff. Heck, I wouldn't even mind if devs added brand new exclusive turrets and hulls only for buyers (as long as they are not OP), but all I'm asking for is to keep the gameplay balanced between buyers and free players.

 

This post says it all. I am so glad I found it, because now I don't have to write up similar observations myself. It deserves to be reposted in this thread.

 

These latest introductions into the shop seem to me an omen of desperation at Tanki. They must be desperate to raise money because these new item prices destroy the existing dollar-value of crystals. They have not thought things through.

[xX_I.Love.Her_Xx 2,650]

Oh ok, so the ones who bought drugs with crystals will stop, but not the ones who buy with real money? Don't see how that makes a difference...

No, but ones that bought will crystals will run out some point, AND no one will buy after the update.

 

II.GameChanger.II

Stop being so ignorant, just because they are low rank that doesnt mean that they dont know anything, that just proves you have a lack of knowledge and lower ranks dont have skill?

My KD is easily better thans yours and you talk about skill

Dear Dopey, just you pointing out that you having better " KD " (it's called D/L) than me makes you more skilled, just makes everything i said so far 100% more correct.

[tanksalad 70]

Please put the 1500 supply kit back in the garage. I prefer games without drugs, but when the other team has massive druggers on it, I need drugs to even it out. And I'm not paying $20 for the kit.

 

What you are ensuring is that the worst druggers will still drug, and there will be less players who are able to counter their drugging.

[The-Operator219 1,929]

II.GameChanger.II

Stop being so ignorant, just because they are low rank that doesnt mean that they dont know anything, that just proves you have a lack of knowledge and lower ranks dont have skill?

My KD is easily better thans yours and you talk about skill

Dear Dopey, you unknowingly or not are sitting on a throne of lies.

A D/L is not the be-all-end-all factor in who has skill, as it is a ratio that can be manipulated by anyone.

I could have a D/L of 00.0 because I play the game by running into enemy fire to get the flag, and I could have one of 9999,9999,9999 because I camp, drug heavily, and use Shaft. Therefore, before you make an argument, think about what you say and if it involves the D/L of your foe...

DON'T POST IT.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Hey all,

 

Listen, I know you're upset, and you've brought up some very valid points. More importantly, there's a civil and smart discussion going on. All I'm asking is that you give this update some time.

 

The idea behind it is to slow down the overall usage of supplies. At Gissmo level, players don't have anything on which to spend their crystals, and this leads to mass purchase and consumption of supplies.

 

With this update, this mass purchase should slow down. As the super-users start running out of supplies, they will be forced to use them more intelligently rather than spamming the 1-5 keys. That's the idea behind this move. It'll take some time before we start seeing these results, but I believe that's where we'll get to. Additionally, there are other plans being set in motion to regulate the hyper-use of supplies.

If this is indeed the strategic vision then I am much encouraged.  Much encouraged.

 

I fully support paying Tanki some money to support their game and their jobs. Lately I bought a couple weeks of preimium membership and a few gold boxes to give some support.

 

Now I wish I'd saved that money, threw in another ten bucks, and bought 1500 supplies. That's what I mean about Tanki not thinging through the impact of this change on the economic status quo.

 

What worries me is so many companies seem to go the route of pay-more to win-more. I do not like those games. That is why I like the gold box. I can support the game with some revenue, without affecting game balance at all.

 

Tanki should consider if players will stop buyinh gold boxes (6) and instead put that money now to buying supplies 1-5 instead.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

[your screenshot]

 

GG  :P  :P  :P  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Why do you have a ranking index in the right corner of your experience bar?

 

For how long do those drugs last.. 10 days? ;)