Alterations, Kits and Supplies Kits!

[CooperO 7,956]

So, after this update, can I buy a 1500 supply kit for 105000 crystals from Garage? Yes or no.

 

Now I can see only 100 supply kit in garage.. After the rotation, can I see any 1500 drug kit?

No, the 1500 supply kit was removed from the garage intentionally. Only small kits will be available for purchase with crystals.

[dan146_tanker 770]

No, the 1500 supply kit was removed from the garage intentionally. Only small kits will be available for purchase with crystals.

So let me get this straight.... We can no longer buy supply kits that contain a lot of supplies...

 

 

Finally the Tanki devs have done something good Yay :)

[DESTROYER_13 1,019]

So let me get this straight.... We can no longer buy supply kits that contain a lot of supplies...

 

Finally the Tanki devs have done something good Yay :)

The buyers can, and they will be ruling Tanki soon.

[PopChaser 60]

I still check out TO once a day.  When I see that it is still for buyers only, I leave.

 

:angry:

[KingNizwa41 0]

when i buy repair they disappear from my screen T_T wasting crystals much?!

[CooperO 7,956]

So let me get this straight.... We can no longer buy supply kits that contain a lot of supplies...

 

 

Finally the Tanki devs have done something good Yay :)

Only in the shop, for real money.

[DESTROYER_13 1,019]

why are you celebrating the demise of tanki?  now only buyers will play here by themselves

Perhaps he doesn't understand...  ;)

[devil3_EN 1,030]

very bad (Photo: http://i.imgur.com/qmjJki7.png
So it will be better, Or discount Without. (Photo: http://i.imgur.com/tFvosPe.png

If all this will not be, The case goes very badly

[I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E 120]

I,v actually noticed most  ( none-buyers ) slow down drugging already. So i,v actually had an easier time domination battles and my clan has an easier time taking over battles where its all or mostly none buyers. But i still don't like this update because i'd really rather buy drugges with cry instead of real money. But it dose have another upside before i had to save up and use 105k every time i got the 1500 kit witch was a lot considering i have used 96k supplies witch =  64, 1500 drugg kits ( 6.4 million cry ) I will have all that extra cry for MUs and more paints considering i already have everything m3. More bad new is that it will cost 1280 $ in real money to drugg that much again in the up coming year. Like really do the math 64 x $20 = 1280 Insane rite ?  :D

Edited September 29, 2016 by I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E

[VaudeVille 1,428]

Check out this topic: http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=336666&page=2&do=findComment&comment=5785222

If you don't wanna be overpowered by druggers and raiders, this is what you should help.

[BLASTER872 1,892]

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Tanki listen to the people: what do we want? 70% off 1000-piece drug kits in the garage!  When do we want them? Now!

Or make the 100 drug kit 75% or something, win win

[BLASTER872 1,892]

Rant

1) Well, I paid cuz I had nothing else to do with some random credit cards :D But generally, I consider myself a F2P player.

 

2) Exactly, how about I just buy Pokemon Sun and Moon or some other game that is F2P (not counting buying the game ofc)

 

3) Well, we invested our time into this and I would say I almost regret it. I would certainly regret ever coming back after I left when I was WO2 if I didn't make my clan. Even though I'm OP and wreck even buyers, I still feel every concern about F2P players. And to TO, believe me, I know a product that will lose customers (money, if you really want to know) when I see one. Let the people buy crystals for supply kits if they want. Increase buying values also, please!

 

4) which is why I never ever buy anything and pile crystals up until their next update comes out, which will make everyone mad

 

5) You "borrow" your account every time you play, according to a mod (forgot which one). So, why should we be paying to make the developer's account better?

 

6) Only point I disagree on. While my clan hasn't had great experiences I got my account back after forgetting my password from support.

 

7) I got banned for some stupid reason, I agree. I believe I know why and all I say is this: I didn't deserve the ban.

a) we all do. lots of times.

b ) All I have to say to this is: What do they spend money on? Servers are weak, easily hacked, et cetera. I know some guy will come and yell "vodka!" but that's not it. Can we see, at least, what our invested money into this game is being spent into? Some noob like me could go and hack TO right now (don't worry I dont plan to) or easily DDoS it.

 

Also, can we please turn off auto emoji? I tried to do b.) (w/o the period) and I got B)

Edited October 1, 2016 by CooperO
Please refrain from using profane abbreviations.

[BLASTER872 1,892]

^ Yeah, I really don't know anything, such a noob tanker who doesn't know anything

Or make the 100 drug kit 75% or something, win win

[nrs1998 24]

Why can't we rent alterations for crystals!!!!!

Edited September 30, 2016 by nrs1998

[Thekillerpenguin 1,731]

Also, can we please turn off auto emoji? I tried to do b.) (w/o the period) and I got B)

If you go to "More Reply Options", there is a checkbox to enable/disable emoticons. You can deselect it and turn emojis off, like so: :D

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Posted 30 Sep 2016 - 07:24

Kits are back in the garage. Topic has served its purpose. Closed.

 

 

Cedric is only a mouthpiece. Don't blame the messenger. Blame the person behind the mouthpiece.

 

Looks like things will be very bleak in Tanki as buyers will continue to spam drugs like no Tomorrow.

[r_Arslann3 16]

Lag?

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

prequel: I am not a buyer. And no drugger either.

 

 

This comes off as fairly flippant a la Marie Antoinette's "let them eat cake".  The value of one man's hour is different than the value of the next man's hour.  We all put aside entertainment time for ourselves (at least I hope we all do/can), some people more, some people less.  Please don't sit there and so arrogantly and smugly tell me how much my time is worth.

I agree to most of the things you've written.. but not to the lines of yours that I quoted here.

Maybe it's because I am no native speaker and misunderstand you.. but we will see.

 

I think Cedrik is right on his statement, that players either pay in time, or they pay in money to shorten their time. It was maybe not the most sophisticated way to tell this truth.. but still it ain't wrong.

 

I actually like to put it a little more blunt (as I am no employee of the company, I may do so :P )

• What your time is worth:
  1 hour of "work" in tanki = 0,15 EUR (if I focus on crystals only)
  (1500 crystals average earnings per hour on my rank -vs- 700.000 crystals purchased for 70 EUR on Double Crystal card)
   
• If players play for fun, it is alright. But if someone thinks he plays for earning crystals - man, do the math:
  average wage in my country = 8 EUR nett per hour. 8EUR / 0,15 EUR = 53.
  I am 53 times better off, if I do some work and spend money here.
  Even if the average wage would be only 4 EUR nett... still 26 times more efficient to work for real..
   
• we free players are just sheep that are lured to spend hours and hours in this game (it provides fun in the beginning), while the economy is set up in a way, that we have very little room for misinvestments along our path to generalissimo (game becomes to feel like real hard work after some time and rank).
  If we fail to invest clever, we end up underequipped, underpowered, and lost. If we keep losing, the crystal income declies drastically.. which makes the situation worse. Everything here is really made to push us into purchases sooner or later.. or to bite our bitter way through it (beeing the sheep for the druggin wolfes).
  

  As I said: I am not a buyer. And no drugger either.

 

Of course I earn not only crystals.. I also earn some fun.. but I also earn some serious *askzqlwuezqw !!!!!* if they rebalance my combo which I chose so carefully.

Welcome to Tanki Online.

Edited September 30, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[theFiringHand 21,351]

This comes off as fairly flippant a la Marie Antoinette's "let them eat cake".  The value of one man's hour is different than the value of the next man's hour.  We all put aside entertainment time for ourselves (at least I hope we all do/can), some people more, some people less.  Please don't sit there and so arrogantly and smugly tell me how much my time is worth.

 

Why I have yet to pay:

 

1 ) I would've never played in the first place if I had to pay; I might have ended up paying at some point if it weren't for the points below.

 

2 ) I don't consider the entertainment value I would gain from buying in tanki to outweigh the value I obtain elsewhere, and there's no way in hell I'm going to start paying just for the purpose of being competitive or just to keep the game entertaining.

 

3 ) I usually try to avoid buying shoddy-made products -- soooo many times I hit the lose-flag-glitch, the die-on-top-of-other-tank glitch, or lose flag/match due to unexplained lag, I would think: wow, really glad I didn't pay for this because I would have felt like someone stole $$ from me due to faulty product.

 

4 ) The game changes too much in substantial ways that affect my game strategy.  Why would I choose to pay for something when the risk is too high that in the near future the value of what I bought is highly diminished due to latest update?  E.g. hornet/rail was once most popular and OP combo, nearly every experienced player had this as primary combo; after parameter modifications this went away ... and what about those who spend hundreds of dollars to obtain m4's of this combo?!

 

 

5 ) Ownership.  Paying a little money might be helpful for some when, e.g., they just need to get a few more cry to get XXX whatever.  But, in general, a pretty fair amount of money is needed to make a noticeable difference.  One problem with this is -- despite spending that $$$ I don't own anything.  Tanki can modify it at will (see above).  I could lose my account, either through my own fault or otherwise.  Most commodities can be resold; tanki forbids this.  In short, my ownership-level of bought product is very low.

 

6 ) I've generally been dissatisfied with the communications I've had with tanki's support system.

 

7 ) I generally eschew paying in to organizations that set their own rules and restrictions, but give me little leeway to leave or make a change.  It's similar to joining an HOA, or a club membership, and it turns out I find their restrictions to diminish my value in my membership, but it's difficult to move to a new home, or cancel a year-long contract.  In tanki, despite paying, I would have little redress and little chance at justice whenever: a ) I get an undeserved ban; b ) my account is stolen or hacked.

 

 

 

 

I'm not in the habit of giving free advice, help, or service to people I don't know; I hope you sincerely take the above to heart.  I'm even debating whether to click that Post button, the idea of giving free, meaningful advice to a business who I feel has shown me fairly crappy customer service and has the appearance of holding their customers in low-regard ...

 

 

... to those who might question whether tanki should show me any customer service considering I'm a non-buyer, just see Cedric's statement above equating time and money, and consider the in-game value of non-buyers to buyers.

What your time is worth, is none of my business, and never said it was. But the truth is it's gonna take you longer to get items that buyers get with one click. So you're essentially paying with time and energy. 

1. Nobody is saying you have to pay money to play. You're very well free to play without paying money. But don't resent buyers for getting with one click what it takes you lots of time to get.
2. That's entirely your call, and nobody is disputing your opinion on the game.
3. These are all things we're trying to fix. When you have a game that is as dynamic as Tanki, new problems arise all the time, and old problems keep getting harder to solve. But I assure you the devs are trying their best. Whether you want to give them your trust or not, it's your call, and has nothing to do with paying or not.
4. Games like Tanki need to change and evolve continuously, or they day. This isn't a game you purchase once, play through, and then dump on a shelf somewhere. This is a game that has lots of replay value, and to maintain that, it needs to keep evolving. As for changing OP equipment, do you seriously wanna tell me that it makes sense to let something stay OP?
5. The non-reselling policy is a common one in MMOs, as is the idea of changing item parameters for the benefit of making the game more balanced. As for losing your account, you're solely responsible for that. Don't break the rules, keep your password to yourself, and maintain basic security measures (such as keeping your computer free from viruses) and you don't need to worry about losing your account. Your purchases will always stay in your account, so you're not losing ownership.
6. I'm sorry to hear that. If you're currently experiencing any difficulties with them let me know and we can sort it out.
7. All organizations set their rules and policies — it's logical. If you come to my house, I expect you to behave appropriately, and refrain from damaging my property or insulting my family. Those are the rules of my house. You break them, and you'll find yourself on the street without anything close to an apology.

[theFiringHand 21,351]

 

Posted 30 Sep 2016 - 07:24

Kits are back in the garage. Topic has served its purpose. Closed.

 

Yes, it had served its purpose. The main discussion is here. No use having discussion in two places. As for your implication of what I am, I recommend you watch your language. Foul language is not acceptable here and may lead to you losing your account. This is stated clearly in the game rules.

[theFiringHand 21,351]

 

High-Rank Drug Wars are entertaining and enjoyable...why on earth would Tanki want to limit them?...it would make sense to maintain them by increasing the 50% discount on the 100 kit...so they're worth buying....but you still get better value from the 1500 shop kit so its also well worth buying the big kit. Like has been said on this topic already, somewhere around 70% would do. This would stop players quitting drug-wars (or the game), as they're gonna become unaffordable. Less drug-battles = less need for a buyer to buy the 1500 shop kit and less variety of battles..#boring

 

Appease the drug-haters by including a new battle setting in drugs-enabled battles (or possibly PRO pass battles) that allows a battle-creator to toggle on/off an option that extends the timers of Smart-cooldowns for supply usage...

…..i.e. RepKit takes 120 seconds to cooldown after activation instead of 40

        or, you have to wait 90 secs to activate DD after using a DA, instead of 30.

                   (not sure about the numbers, just an example)

 

Therefore, drug-use is effectively limited to a certain amount of drugs that can be used every 5 minutes(or life).....this would give the guys that are frustrated with druggers somewhere to get away from heavy drugging battles, and stop them rage-quitting this game before they get to Gismo ranks, where they could be future competition to Buyer-drugger-Gismos. Especially if they had access to a 100kit that's worth the investment. ;)  ;)...or they could even become buyers themselves once they get access to the M3 equipments.

 

So there will be less raging guys that hate druggers in normal drug battles and the guys that like these battles will still be able to partake in them more frequently, rather than having to reduce playing time dependent on how long their mission supplies last.

• many of the drugger-haters will be in drug-limited battles

• non-buyer druggers will be able to play in drug-limited battles to save drugs and then jump in on drug-wars whenever they have enough drugs to burn.(which would be more often than not if the 100kit discount was increased ;)  ;) )

• Leaving a higher concentration of druggers in drug-wars...........

•                             = more interest in buying the OP 1500 kit

•                             = £$£$£$

•                             = Many Roubles.

On top of that, drug wars will eventually have more participants as less players will be quitting cos they're sick of druggers. A nice pleasant happy circle that pleases everyone in the end IMO.

 

 

 

An interesting point of view. Maybe a bit too utopic, but there's sense to it. Thanks

[I3.R.0 1,700]

Love your enthusiasm.  :D

Bring back The 1500 Supply kit in the Garage  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

I'm Damn irritated. Now, we non buyers can never get this big kit of drugs...we can never play hard now -_-

You guys just creating a difference between buyers and non buyers.

You wanna show that the buyers are pro's and we non buyers are dumbs. Really???WHY, WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are the kings and we non buyers are Servants. WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are like superpowers of the game and we are just mere kids..WHY WHY W H Y? ? 

 

This is why you brought in the idea of new paints, product kits and supply kits. Nvm. There must be some difference between buyers and non buyers, I agree. Even I agree with the point that Supply kits too, should be in Shop. But WHY THE HELL did you remove the 1.5k drug kit from garage?

Edited September 30, 2016 by I3.R.0

[Reddkuest 76]

Bring back The 1500 Supply kit in the Garage  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

I'm Damn irritated. Now, we non buyers can never get this big kit of drugs...we can never play hard now -_-

You guys just creating a difference between buyers and non buyers.

You wanna show that the buyers are pro's and we non buyers are dumbs. Really???WHY, WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are the kings and we non buyers are Servants. WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are like superpowers of the game and we are just mere kids..WHY WHY W H Y? ? 

 

This is why you brought in the idea of new paints, product kits and supply kits. Nvm. There must be some difference between buyers and non buyers, I agree. Even I agree with the point that Supply kits too, should be in Shop. But WHY THE HELL did you remove the 1.5k drug kit from garage?

The strategy is to turn non-buyers into buyers, and to setup the 'new way' for new players as the 'normal' way to play, so TO get to more buyers as standard first and foremost.

 

TO is a business, and Free-to-Play with micro-transactions with Buy-to-Win options is a proved way to keep game companies afloat.

 

The trick is to find the 'sweet spot' threesold. If enough people quit and no new blood come in to replace them, THEN you can expect a roll back toward how it was. It is, however, often too late and the game never come back to what it was.

 

A nice trick is what they are going to do with Supplies, reducing both duration and cooldown: THAT will make drugs stockpiles go down fast, and all the addicts will either start to buy, or leave/play less.

 

Time will tell.

Edited September 30, 2016 by Reddkuest

[Thekillerpenguin 1,731]

yeah and how about answering the lingering, coherent questions rather than answering some incoherent noob

 

as if smiley icons are relevant to all the accusations levied in this thread

 

This is exactly the kind of BS that pisses off a lot of tankers

I'm a reporter, which means I just write articles. I'm not involved in the development of the game, I don't work for Alternativa, and I don't moderate anything. I don't know any more than you do, so it's not as if I can say anything in this thread that would carry extra weight or hasn't been said already.

 

If you're unhappy about the state of things, feel free to discuss it, but I'd rather that you not direct it towards the wrong people, thanks.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I'm posting this while my alt is sitting on a 5 minute pause. Why? Becayse its a better use of my time than competing in yet another battle dominated by non-stop druggers. 

 

Maybe Tanki should do something about REDUCING drug use. eh?