Alterations, Kits and Supplies Kits!

[LittleWillie 3,199]

well, maybe, but as long as drugs are in the game they should be just as accessible to non-buyers as buyers

I agree on that narrow point.

 

But the facts remain: There is no inherent reason these power-ups have to be in the game. They are ruining the game. So why do they continue to exist?

[tankiyya 18]

What is the alteration for shaft?  Its the only thing I don't have M2 to see it on for any of my accounts.  Also, has anyone tried parkour with smoky with the alteration?  Can it wall climb now like the thunder and rico can with lighter hulls?

[tankistas_GT_PRO 0]

nice very cool

[dan146_tanker 770]

Bring back The 1500 Supply kit in the Garage  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

I'm Damn irritated. Now, we non buyers can never get this big kit of drugs...we can never play hard now -_-

You guys just creating a difference between buyers and non buyers.

You wanna show that the buyers are pro's and we non buyers are dumbs. Really???WHY, WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are the kings and we non buyers are Servants. WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are like superpowers of the game and we are just mere kids..WHY WHY W H Y? ? 

 

This is why you brought in the idea of new paints, product kits and supply kits. Nvm. There must be some difference between buyers and non buyers, I agree. Even I agree with the point that Supply kits too, should be in Shop. But WHY THE HELL did you remove the 1.5k drug kit from garage?

Um.. no the 1500 supplies should not come back, and pls don't make posts about supplies in random topics. This is the downloadable client page. Try making posts in cedrics office or in the vlog page. And also, too many supplies are being used Tanki had to do something. Try using real skill instead of supplies. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=337089&page=16&do=findComment&comment=5788212 (Vlog)

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=315867 The supply kit shouldn't return in my opinion, its already far to easy to get supplies. 50 crys each and you get them from missions, so that's more than enough. Buy different supply kits. End of discussion.

[CooperO 7,956]

What is the alteration for shaft?  Its the only thing I don't have M2 to see it on for any of my accounts.  Also, has anyone tried parkour with smoky with the alteration?  Can it wall climb now like the thunder and rico can with lighter hulls?

On the Tanki Wiki, all the alterations are listed.

Shaft's alterations:

 

As for Smoky's alteration, I can't answer your question.

[Maf 32,300]

very bad (Photo: http://i.imgur.com/qmjJki7.png

So it will be better, Or discount Without. (Photo: http://i.imgur.com/tFvosPe.png

 

If all this will not be, The case goes very badly

Topic merged

[I.H.U.R.R.I.C.A.N.E 120]

Um.. no the 1500 supplies should not come back, and pls don't make posts about supplies in random topics. This is the downloadable client page. Try making posts in cedrics office or in the vlog page. And also, too many supplies are being used Tanki had to do something. Try using real skill instead of supplies. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=337089&page=16&do=findComment&comment=5788212 (Vlog)

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=315867 The supply kit shouldn't return in my opinion, its already far to easy to get supplies. 50 crys each and you get them from missions, so that's more than enough. Buy different supply kits. End of discussion.

It should come back and this is the topic to post your thoughts about the supplies update. lol noob  :D

[moh.ahmed 15]

I DON'T KNOW FROM WHERE TO DOWNLOAD THE NEW UPDATES CAN SOMEONE TELL??

 

[ArcadeMode_ON 155]

On the Tanki Wiki, all the alterations are listed.

Shaft's alterations:

 

As for Smoky's alteration, I can't answer your question.

Smoky alteration is +27% more impact at the expense of giving up the Critical Hit.

[CooperO 7,956]

Smoky alteration is +27% more impact at the expense of giving up the Critical Hit.

Correct, but that doesn't tell me if it's possible to climb walls using its impact force. To answer that question, we need someone who has tested it.

[dan146_tanker 770]

Climb walls using impact force?! Um... what are you talking about....? :huh: 

[ImAtWork 141]

Bring back The 1500 Supply kit in the Garage  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

I'm Damn irritated. Now, we non buyers can never get this big kit of drugs...we can never play hard now -_-

You guys just creating a difference between buyers and non buyers.

You wanna show that the buyers are pro's and we non buyers are dumbs. Really???WHY, WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are the kings and we non buyers are Servants. WHY?

You wanna show that the buyers are like superpowers of the game and we are just mere kids..WHY WHY W H Y? ? 

 

This is why you brought in the idea of new paints, product kits and supply kits. Nvm. There must be some difference between buyers and non buyers, I agree. Even I agree with the point that Supply kits too, should be in Shop. But WHY THE HELL did you remove the 1.5k drug kit from garage?

no need in even trying, tanki hates you as a non-buyer, that's undeniable now, and dont expect any sympathy from cedric, best to just leave now and fill ur time otherwise, and get whatever u can for your account

[CooperO 7,956]

Climb walls using impact force?! Um... what are you talking about....? :huh:

I'm talking about the question asked by @tankiyya, to which I don't have the answer, because I didn't test the Smoky alteration, nor have I heard of anyone who did.

[I3.R.0 1,700]

no need in even trying, tanki hates you as a non-buyer, that's undeniable now, and dont expect any sympathy from cedric, best to just leave now and fill ur time otherwise, and get whatever u can for your account

Agreed. It's time to pack up and get lost.

[I3.R.0 1,700]

I say again and again:

I don't have ANY problems with the shop.

 

But the removal of 1500 supply kit from garage shows that you are creating a difference between a buyer and a non buyer.

Now, I OPENLY AND FRANKLY say that this is non-sense crap. I'm alive in tanki due to drugs and crystals I get from Daily Missions. Really thanks and a salute to tanki for that update. But this update of removing a kit from garage, that's non-sense. I mean, I don't have any problem in having that 1.5k drug kit in shop. The only thing is, why the hell did you remove that drug kit from garage???????

 

 

EDIT:

Like my post if you agree with me.

 

Edited October 2, 2016 by I3.R.0

[dan146_tanker 770]

Um.. no the 1500 supplies should not come back, and pls don't make posts about supplies in random topics. This is the downloadable client page. Try making posts in cedrics office or in the vlog page. And also, too many supplies are being used Tanki had to do something. Try using real skill instead of supplies. http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=337089&page=16&do=findComment&comment=5788212 (Vlog)

http://en.tankiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=315867 The supply kit shouldn't return in my opinion, its already far to easy to get supplies. 50 crys each and you get them from missions, so that's more than enough. Buy different supply kits. End of discussion.

Ok yeah I messed up on that one, sorry I had a million tabs open :P I apologise for that.

However, many of you don't seem to see the problem... Listen; From my point of view I'm seeing the devs not caring anything else apart from the buyers, sorry but its true. But that's not all. I'm seeing the devs not caring and then I'm seeing the players not knowing. You guys are PMing me, but you guys are clueless... I'm ON your side, people!! Do I have to spell it out for?

Let me tell you guys how it all works. Here are the facts.

Buyers buy crystals. They use the crystals to buy M2s and early M3s. They have about 100k left over. So the rest goes to supplies. Buyers buy so many ''drugs'' and then start using hundreds of them. If I go to a non-PRO battle the first thing I will see is a rainbow of supplies. Now you might not know this so listen carefully. Not everyone buys crys. In fact most of Tanki doesn't buy. Non-buyers still buy supply kits. (Its cheaper to buy kits, btw). So Tanki stopped the 1.5k supply kit cause less people buy. And be real would you rather buy crystals or supplies? That doesn't make it a buying game. The reason for that is... because its already a buying game! People wake up, this is already a buying game, kits in the shop, gold boxes, premium. I personally don't like supplies. But if you guys do than, sorry about that. I'm on your side by the way. I don't want Tanki to be a buying game. I thought I was being clear.... Supplies ruin the game ok. Rely on ''Real'' skill. Yeah we need some update that aren't for non-buyers but to me right now. I honestly don't see the difference between you guys that want the supply kit back and the buyers. As I said before buyers buy thousands of supplies. Are ''druggers'' buyers? The real non-sense is what you guys are saying. Next you'll be saying your in favour of the new update. Does... do... OK that's it.. I should just give up... The devs don't care... the players don't know... and no one listens.... What has Tanki become....

[ImAtWork 141]

This ...

 

varraccio, on 30 Sept 2016 - 21:43, said:

well, maybe, but as long as drugs are in the game they should be just as accessible to non-buyers as buyers

 

... and this ...

 

High-Rank Drug Wars are entertaining and enjoyable...why on earth would Tanki want to limit them?...it would make sense to maintain them by increasing the 50% discount on the 100 kit...so they're worth buying....but you still get better value from the 1500 shop kit so its also well worth buying the big kit. Like has been said on this topic already, somewhere around 70% would do. This would stop players quitting drug-wars (or the game), as they're gonna become unaffordable. Less drug-battles = less need for a buyer to buy the 1500 shop kit and less variety of battles..#boring

 

Appease the drug-haters by including a new battle setting in drugs-enabled battles (or possibly PRO pass battles) that allows a battle-creator to toggle on/off an option that extends the timers of Smart-cooldowns for supply usage...

…..i.e. RepKit takes 120 seconds to cooldown after activation instead of 40

        or, you have to wait 90 secs to activate DD after using a DA, instead of 30.

                   (not sure about the numbers, just an example)

 

Therefore, drug-use is effectively limited to a certain amount of drugs that can be used every 5 minutes(or life).....this would give the guys that are frustrated with druggers somewhere to get away from heavy drugging battles, and stop them rage-quitting this game before they get to Gismo ranks, where they could be future competition to Buyer-drugger-Gismos. Especially if they had access to a 100kit that's worth the investment. ;)  ;)...or they could even become buyers themselves once they get access to the M3 equipments.

 

So there will be less raging guys that hate druggers in normal drug battles and the guys that like these battles will still be able to partake in them more frequently, rather than having to reduce playing time dependent on how long their mission supplies last.

• many of the drugger-haters will be in drug-limited battles

• non-buyer druggers will be able to play in drug-limited battles to save drugs and then jump in on drug-wars whenever they have enough drugs to burn.(which would be more often than not if the 100kit discount was increased ;)  ;) )

• Leaving a higher concentration of druggers in drug-wars...........

•                             = more interest in buying the OP 1500 kit

•                             = £$£$£$

•                             = Many Roubles.

On top of that, drug wars will eventually have more participants as less players will be quitting cos they're sick of druggers. A nice pleasant happy circle that pleases everyone in the end IMO.

 

 

 

 

Ok yeah I messed up on that one, sorry I had a million tabs open :P I apologise for that.

However, many of you don't seem to see the problem... Listen; From my point of view I'm seeing the devs not caring anything else apart from the buyers, sorry but its true. But that's not all. I'm seeing the devs not caring and then I'm seeing the players not knowing. You guys are PMing me, but you guys are clueless... I'm ON your side, people!! Do I have to spell it out for?

Let me tell you guys how it all works. Here are the facts.

Buyers buy crystals. They use the crystals to buy M2s and early M3s. They have about 100k left over. So the rest goes to supplies. Buyers buy so many ''drugs'' and then start using hundreds of them. If I go to a non-PRO battle the first thing I will see is a rainbow of supplies. Now you might not know this so listen carefully. Not everyone buys crys. In fact most of Tanki doesn't buy. Non-buyers still buy supply kits. (Its cheaper to buy kits, btw). So Tanki stopped the 1.5k supply kit cause less people buy. And be real would you rather buy crystals or supplies? That doesn't make it a buying game. The reason for that is... because its already a buying game! People wake up, this is already a buying game, kits in the shop, gold boxes, premium. I personally don't like supplies. But if you guys do than, sorry about that. I'm on your side by the way. I don't want Tanki to be a buying game. I thought I was being clear.... Supplies ruin the game ok. Rely on ''Real'' skill. Yeah we need some update that aren't for non-buyers but to me right now. I honestly don't see the difference between you guys that want the supply kit back and the buyers. As I said before buyers buy thousands of supplies. Are ''druggers'' buyers? The real non-sense is what you guys are saying. Next you'll be saying your in favour of the new update. Does... do... OK that's it.. I should just give up... The devs don't care... the players don't know... and no one listens.... What has Tanki become....

 

should make u chang ur mind -- the latest update only makes the buyer-non-buyer disparity even worse due to high-discounted drugs (70%) only available to buyers, and this has been pointed out from the very beginning of this thread which you probably haven't read, maybe read a little more before giving us your genius pronouncements

[PopChaser 60]

.............

You wanna show that the buyers are the kings and we non buyers are Servants targets. WHY?

.............

 

 

That's why.  I've stopped playing, now that the game I enjoyed is gone. 

[Bydo 20,131]

 

I say again and again:

I don't have ANY problems with the shop.

 

But the removal of 1500 supply kit from garage shows that you are creating a difference between a buyer and a non buyer.

Now, I OPENLY AND FRANKLY say that this is non-sense crap. I'm alive in tanki due to drugs and crystals I get from Daily Missions. Really thanks and a salute to tanki for that update. But this update of removing a kit from garage, that's non-sense. I mean, I don't have any problem in having that 1.5k drug kit in shop. The only thing is, why the hell did you remove that drug kit from garage???????

 

 

EDIT:

Like my post if you agree with me.

 

 

i agree if they wanted to put drugs to buy in the shop why not increase it to a special amount like 2k or even 1800 packages .. instead this way if you really wanted drugs then jump on those good deals... for removing it well all it does is limited the lower ranks not to get them unless paying $$ and this now will cost more on none $$ spenders .

 

kits cost before ..

 

1500 kit was  105,000 crystals - now in long run .. (100 package kit ) 15X 17,500 = 262,500 worth in crystals .. do you find this fare

 

now breaking down for others

 

each one is 50 crystals ( x 4 sets of drugs = 200 ) plus 150 for health .. so add them together you get 350

 

when times by 100 = 3500 per 100 but kit cost 17,500 so profit 160,00 each kit sold   ( crystals )

 

so if we continue on the math ..so a kit for 1500 - ( see above on crystal cost ) profit on each kit sold from crystals would be ...157,500

 

 we all known for the longest time things did not measure up in which would be the better investment in drugs ..

 

 

so who wins yea buyers on this and tanki .. not for none buyers

Edited October 4, 2016 by frozen_heart

[dfoofnik 341]

The entire system has been tilted toward the buyers for a long time. This just adds to it: higher costs for equipment, upgrades, and supplies.

I thought for awhile there the "operators" might be coming around...but they keep reinforcing the BUY YOUR WAY TO WINNING system. I half expect to see an option that lets you buy scores to win battles. :o

 

Well, when my crystals are all gone, I am, too. Too many tweaks, changes, bad updates, and glitches that make the game totally unenjoyable.

Edited October 4, 2016 by dfoofnik

[Bydo 20,131]

The entire system has been tilted toward the buyers for a long time. This just adds to it: higher costs for equipment, upgrades, and supplies.

I thought for awhile there the "operators" might be coming around...but they keep reinforcing the BUY YOUR WAY TO WINNING system. I half expect to see an option that lets you buy scores to win battles. :o

 

Well, when my crystals are all gone, I am, too. Too many tweaks, changes, bad updates, and glitches that make the game totally unenjoyable.

sorry miss read your post .. buying in battles everyone would win who was in the battles ....

 

in the past

 

we did have one back in 2013-2014 they removed it.. what it was.. it allowed you to buy up your rank .. so in other words you got to pay a certain amount of crystals , for the remaining / or full balance on your experience bar to get to the next rank.. this was so much fun .

Edited October 4, 2016 by frozen_heart

[Tepu66 11]

Product kit in the shop is welcome. But removal from Garage is not welcome. It shows a materialistic approach and greed to get more money in less time by Tanki devs. SO here it is separated from sports / game to moneymaking business. But every rise in the world, afterwards face downfall. The first symptom of downfall in the world is always from the morals. Here is the start.

[ImAtWork 141]

 

7. All organizations set their rules and policies — it's logical. If you come to my house, I expect you to behave appropriately, and refrain from damaging my property or insulting my family. Those are the rules of my house. You break them, and you'll find yourself on the street without anything close to an apology.

 

We can now all see that this house belongs to tanki and you and I are unwanted guests they begrudgingly put up with, the only thing they could do more insulting to non-buyers than leaving the large discounted 70% off drugs for buyers and leaving non-buyers only with the 50% off option would be to literally spit in our faces.

[Dliver 436]

 

What your time is worth, is none of my business, and never said it was. But the truth is it's gonna take you longer to get items that buyers get with one click. So you're essentially paying with time and energy. 

1. Nobody is saying you have to pay money to play. You're very well free to play without paying money. But don't resent buyers for getting with one click what it takes you lots of time to get.

I agree totally with most of your post Cedric except for this particular point. Yes you can play without paying if you want to be just the poor guy who is always getting killed in every fight and beaten like your momma's rug on a clothes line. The problem is this, and the prime example is the issue with taking the large supply kits out of the garage that can be payed for with crystals, slowly but surely the developers are taking away every avenue of advancement that a player with very little money  can take to become competitive in the game. It's no wonder that buyers are hated so much.  As of right now you pretty much have to pay if you want to have a chance in a game. At least supplies could overcome, to an extent, the slow  progress of developing your equipment due to the overblown prices for upgrades and the ridiculously slow wait times for upgrades to take effect. What should have been done is have it both ways with supplies, just like with almost every other item in the game, pay with crystals earned in the game or pay cash. It's what you do with upgrades and speed-ups. So then you would have the option to pay for it now or be patient, earn it in the game and wait. That should be the same for supplies. Be patient and earn it in the game or for the less patient pay cash right now. Then people could at least have an avenue to progress in the game even if they don't have money. Because like you said it is a dynamic game with great replay value.

 

Another thing that has made this change so unpalatable is that it has become quite obvious in the last couple vlogs that the attitude with tanki management  is the attitude of take it or leave it, we're going to do what we want no matter how the tanki community feels. Instead of making the game more fair it seriously skews the game balance in favor of buyers.

 

Lastly it should be your business what our time is worth. Because if it gets to a point that we think it is worthless to play the game then we will leave, even buyers like me. Plus it shows that you really care about your customers who play this game.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Dliver

[theFiringHand 21,351]

I agree totally with most of your post Cedric except for this particular point.

Yes you can play without paying if you want to be just the poor guy who is always getting killed in every fight and beaten like your momma's rug on a clothes line. The problem is this, and the prime example is the issue with taking the large supply kits out of the garage that can be payed for with crystals, slowly but surely the developers are taking away every avenue of advancement that a player with very little money  can take to become competitive in the game. It's no wonder that buyers are hated so much.  As of right now you pretty much have to pay if you want to have a chance in a game. At least supplies could overcome, to an extent, the slow  progress of developing your equipment due to the overblown prices for upgrades and the ridiculously slow wait times for upgrades to take effect. What should have been done is have it both ways with supplies, just like with almost every other item in the game, pay with crystals earned in the game or pay cash. It's what you do with upgrades and speed-ups. So then you would have the option to pay for it now or be patient, earn it in the game and wait. That should be the same for supplies. Be patient and earn it in the game or for the less patient pay cash right now. Then people could at least have an avenue to progress in the game even if they don't have money. Because like you said it is a dynamic game with great replay value.

 

Another thing that has made this change so unpalatable is that it has become quite obvious in the last couple vlogs that the attitude with tanki management is to take it or leave it, we're going to do what we want no matter how the tanki community feels. Instead of making the game more fair it seriously skews the game balance in favor of buyers.

 

Lastly it should be your business what our time is worth. Because if it gets to a point that we think it is worthless to play the game then we will leave, even buyers like me. Plus it shows that you really care about your customers who play this game.

 

Fair points, and I'll make sure they reach the devs.