Devolopers don't care about non-buyers

[Maf 32,305]

 

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[Tani_S 736]

(b ) restructure your model to get less per person but from many more people, rather than more per person from much fewer people

 

This is a nice idea and originally would have been the superior way, but imho it has become pretty unrealistic these days.

[aussie_mum 11]

Thanks for merging my topic.. This isn't the thread I started! This topic has nothing what so ever to do with the 1 I started

 

Thanks for nothing Tanki online.. After this I won't be signing in any more! :angry:

[aussie_mum 11]

US$100+ to get m4 of any turret or hull even after reaching rank, not to mention drugs ... only rich kids who's parents don't pay close attention to $2,000+ dollars on a credit card can enjoy this game at the current $/cry rate.

 

Low ranks can no longer compete unless buying.

 

Go ahead an advertise that while technically this is a free-to-play game, in reality it is pay-to-win.  It's only fair so that folks can compare the price of this entertainment to the cost of other entertainment before its too late for them.

 

 

... or ...

 

(a) get off your lazy asses and include Ads ... you gain revenue from non-buyers, keeping non-buyers in the game, and in turn keeping buyers happy .... the internet runs on Ads nowadays, you're behind the times, and everybody accepts Ads if they're non-intrusive, which is very possible here

 

(b ) restructure your model to get less per person but from many more people, rather than more per person from much fewer people

Thank you... You are so correct on what you've said! It's all about how much people spend on a ( free to play game ) But if you don't spend real $$$ You don't stand a chance.. I come here to take part in battles Not taking part in daily missions or sitting here doing more and more micro upgrades costing nothing but a small fortune!

[Penguin40 1,714]

Thanks for merging my topic.. This isn't the thread I started! This topic has nothing what so ever to do with the 1 I started

 

Thanks for nothing Tanki online.. After this I won't be signing in any more! :angry:

It's just a mod doing what they shuld do, they're helpers of TO but they're not TO themselves, kay?

Thank you... You are so correct on what you've said! It's all about how much people spend on a ( free to play game ) But if you don't spend real $$$ You don't stand a chance.. I come here to take part in battles Not taking part in daily missions or sitting here doing more and more micro upgrades costing nothing but a small fortune!

Oh wow, you nug, I personally have never spent a single cent on TO and go check my account, one of the best crystals to XP ratios out there, a good lineup of M2s, and I do stand a chance against le buyers, but only a few of them grouped do have a chance against me in most situations. 

[dan146_tanker 770]

Can someone name me an update that wasn't about our wallet and buyers that was actually good? :angry:  :angry:

um.. there was... the one where... oh wait.. that.. oh nvm that was for buyers.. Well, this is hard. I can't think of a single update. Wow first time I'm stuck for words.

[Penguin40 1,714]

um.. there was... the one where... oh wait.. that.. oh nvm that was for buyers.. Well, this is hard. I can't think of a single update. Wow first time I'm stuck for words.

The problem is, there was barely any update in the game which was for buyers. Let ME name some good updates which this nug wants:

 

1. Crystal boxes removed

2. Smart Cooldowns

3. Kit balancing

4. More and improved maps...?

5. Removal of buying XP

6. Removal of faster XP earning passes

7. Formats in PRO battles

8. New turrets

9. More protections

10. Newer and more balanced kits

11. Disintegration (Paint Separation)

12. Alterations

 

And the list goes on and on cause I dont remember all the updates. And don't dare point out that these were for buyers, you'll get thwarted.

[Hex 11,520]

People really need to stop hating buyers. Why do they even care? It's like the buyers are stealing non-buyers money and using it. Literally 100s of people get reported to Violations just because they insult buyers, like really?

[Hex 11,520]

11. Disintegration (Paint Separation)

12. Alterations

Tell me you buy these and you aren't a buyer.

[Mr.Ace 1,116]

Well Guys. Buyers are Buyers and you gotta deal with it, as Opid said, i myself not buying once drug crazy when i play non-format, Just Crazy, Buyers Buyers Buyers, Before starting my Xp/Bp and Esport Career, 95% of the Non-Buyers i faced were like "Noobs" and too easy to beat, The real challenge is for a non-buyer to beat a buyer, I have More fun facing someone who is a buyer as buyers are more Skilled compared to non-buyers (Statement based on approximation and experience not every one but most of em) Buyers are tough, and Having a Challenge is Fun :D i mean if u just compete with the guys who u plays  u wont advance a lot compared to how u will advance when u play with the Big guys :D. You know whats the best part? Buyers give a harder challenge to me, and i myself believe that winning like so easy is not fun at all, i mean you go in cap some flags easy Shoot others who dont even match your skill, or are like you. Even if you loose vs a Buyer you have More fun dealing with him and especially if u beat him and he starts to cry xD. My Opinion. 

[Cyborg 3,189]

If this was true. Then you would need $$$ to even enter the game..

[Penguin40 1,714]

beaku

 

You WILL NOT wreck havoc with your thunder when you get to Gismo because the other players are going to have m4 hull, m4 turret, m4 protections and can change those in seconds to be your worst nightmare. I do ok at that level because I have m4's and lots of drugs. I also have multiple protections for any situation, multiple m4 turrets, and multiple maxed protections. I don't even play thunder at this level anymore, even though I love the thunder, because everyone has thunder protection. That and they nerfed thunder last year. That is another thing. You get you a great turret, lots of mu's, great hull, nice protection and then BAM tanki nerfs it without any warning. Just about the time I got my thunder to full 50/50 and I was killing everything tanki nerfed it. Of course tanki plans that so you have to buy another turret to complete. Just like Vulcan those guys are going to one day BAM have nothing.

What makes you think beak won't have half his garage M4 by Gismo? He's a TX moderator, he saves very well, and he could become a TO mod sometime too. And please, at my rank almost everyone has Smoky prots yet I dominate often. I've seen 15%, 20%, 35%, even upto 40% against me, yet i can beat them.

 

Tell me you buy these and you aren't a buyer.

K, I'll tell before TO's 8th birthday, I promise ;) By then I will have at least one or two M3 modules and one or two alterations.

 

And as for you defed, what makes you think the game is buyer oriented now? Non buyers have every chance of winning and taking over, and those who save well, use their drugs efficiently (not me tho, altho one set of drugs from mission chains lasts me well for a week), and buy what they should in TO win, not buyers. This game, I might add, is very balanced, in fact I'd say it's a bit unfair for buyers - they can get their way up but there are too many ways for non buyers to be close enough to buyers. Especially at the late mid ranks and the high ranks.

Edited September 28, 2016 by Penguin40

[TNTRicohat 41]

hmmm agree with that !!  :mellow:

[beaku 2,656]

beaku

 

You WILL NOT wreck havoc with your thunder when you get to Gismo because the other players are going to have m4 hull, m4 turret, m4 protections and can change those in seconds to be your worst nightmare. I do ok at that level because I have m4's and lots of drugs. I also have multiple protections for any situation, multiple m4 turrets, and multiple maxed protections. I don't even play thunder at this level anymore, even though I love the thunder, because everyone has thunder protection. That and they nerfed thunder last year. That is another thing. You get you a great turret, lots of mu's, great hull, nice protection and then BAM tanki nerfs it without any warning. Just about the time I got my thunder to full 50/50 and I was killing everything tanki nerfed it. Of course tanki plans that so you have to buy another turret to complete. Just like Vulcan those guys are going to one day BAM have nothing.

I agree Thunder is pretty UP but I do plan on getting 1-2 more turrets M4 (or near M4) before I reach Generalissimo. (Though given my rate of ranking, that might take a few years more :p)

[Spit_Fyre 334]

K, I'll tell before TO's 8th birthday, I promise ;) By then I will have at least one or two M3 modules and one or two alterations.

 

 

Sounds like a plan. Good luck.

 

For the rest of us:

 

Plan A:

• Make a game plan.
• Leave out the 'game' part of it.

 

Plan B:

 

• Go see the fall colours. It's going to be winter soon (and you can play penguin shooter games all day).

Edited September 28, 2016 by Spit_Fyre

[Penguin40 1,714]

 

• I didn't say the game is buyer orientated. The removal of what was a profitable big drugs kits to only being purchasable in the shop is a buyer update.

• It has already been said in that "news and announcements" topic by a couple of moderators that a regular player on this game may have to play the game less to be competitive in drug-enabled battles...so you save up your mission rewards and only use them whenever you need them. If you play this game over a certain amount of time per day, you will quickly run out of drugs that you'll need to counter any takeovers by druggers. And if you fail to prevent a takeover, your drugs are largely wasted. Regular players having to play the game less is never a good thing. A regular player can do takeovers, then again, its a risk, as someone in the enemy might use their own drugs cache to counter that takeover.

• Unfair to buyers?seriously?...buyers should gain a time advantage only, that's what they pay for. They don't need to slog away with noob equipments and can reach the higher-standard battles much faster. And once they're there, they can save slogging away to earn crystals and just buy their favored equipments without spending time to earn them through battle.

• Non-buyers were competitive in the high ranks largely because they also had access to the profitable(if they use them wisely) big drugs kit, which they don't anymore. Now the guys that never focused on getting one M4 combo will find it hard to compete...they can go PRO and hope that the pro players they're facing don't have M4 combos.

Anyway, I shouldn't really care, I could be saying things like..

….”I've got a near-M4 combo, so it doesn't really matter if I don't make profits from the 100 drug kits, cos I'm not bothered about upgrading my garage and can just go PRO if I don't have drugs and save up mission rewards in the meantime, or just save up for XP/BP"

...Its alright for us M4 Gismos, its anyone without near-M4 gear that will feel more of an effect from the supplies update...particularly if PRO or XP/BP mode is out of the question.

:facepalm: you think the only way to win is drugs? Wow, completely wrong. And the 100 supply kit is still very good if bought correctly and carefully used. And you think evry battle is taken over. Wow, wrong. Completely wrong.

 

And by the way, its really a bunch of buyers coming together who can takeover without being beaten by non buyers - I mean a buyer or two in one battle normally won't do anything or at least can be beaten. And yea, I do play less but I think i can still live with no drugs :p

[ArcadeMode_ON 155]

:facepalm: you think the only way to win is drugs? Wow, completely wrong. And the 100 supply kit is still very good if bought correctly and carefully used. And you think evry battle is taken over. Wow, wrong. Completely wrong.

 

And by the way, its really a bunch of buyers coming together who can takeover without being beaten by non buyers - I mean a buyer or two in one battle normally won't do anything or at least can be beaten. And yea, I do play less but I think i can still live with no drugs :P

And that is the norm - one or two buyers in a battle. And if there are a few, usually it is spread evenly. It's when you are winning by outnumbering the losing side that takeovers usually occur. And one of the first warning signs of a brutal takeover is when the other side starts talking like this: я раздавить тебя, как курица!. Usually that is a cue to get ready for a drug war or just leave. Unless, of course, you are on the same side as they are.

[CooperO 7,956]

Non buyers have every chance of winning and taking over, and those who save well, use their drugs efficiently (not me tho, altho one set of drugs from mission chains lasts me well for a week), and buy what they should in TO win, not buyers. This game, I might add, is very balanced, in fact I'd say it's a bit unfair for buyers - they can get their way up but there are too many ways for non buyers to be close enough to buyers. Especially at the late mid ranks and the high ranks.

It actually is very hard for a non buyer to keep up, especially at the higher ranks. Getting a few m3 combinations is easy, but getting them to m4 is incredibly pricey. Battle earnings will only suffice on the long term, by then, buyers will have passed you by a long time ago, making it harder for you to win battles to earn those precious crystals.

By the time you reach the rank to buy the next modification, a buyer could have already fully micro upgraded that same modification. 

I do think it's much easier nowadays to earn crystals than it was years ago, but there are also many more items to spend them on.

Of course, if a player plays it smart and spends crystals wisely, it's possible to earn a strong combo fairly easy. But that's just one combo, if your opponent happens to have a turret that your module doesn't protect against and a module that does protect against your turret, you're at a disadvantage.

In my opinion the paints and XTs are a step in the right direction when it comes to balancing the game between buyers and non buyers, because those two items do not give anyone an advantage in battles.

 

And you think evry battle is taken over. Wow, wrong. Completely wrong.

 

Do take into account that is a generalissimo, at the highest ranks it's more of a rule than an exception that battles get taken over.

[redguy1234567890 141]

You guys clearly have not played any MMO game, tank is NOT pay-to-win

[i200000 717]

I don't think that you should discuss it this way. This is a game, this game needs money, so every single update is for money. Welcome in LIFE guys. As a "gift" sometimes they should (and maybe do) give us free options.

[dan146_tanker 770]

The problem is, there was barely any update in the game which was for buyers. Let ME name some good updates which this nug wants:

 

1. Crystal boxes removed

2. Smart Cooldowns

3. Kit balancing

4. More and improved maps...?

5. Removal of buying XP

6. Removal of faster XP earning passes

7. Formats in PRO battles

8. New turrets

9. More protections

10. Newer and more balanced kits

11. Disintegration (Paint Separation)

12. Alterations

 

And the list goes on and on cause I dont remember all the updates. And don't dare point out that these were for buyers, you'll get thwarted.

Alterations yes I thought they weren't for buyers. Click rent that one doesn't go on the list.

PRO passes cost too much you'd have to buy crystals to have a PRO and have good equipment like M1s/M2s, etc.

Paint separation if you think carefully, made everything more expensive. Think about it. Now you have to buy the paint AND the protection separate.

Kits are too expensive when people hardly have any crystals. You may not agree with that last sentence but agree to this, Tanki has been taking kits and putting them into the shop for real money. So..... that's gotta come off the list too.

The new turrets are good, but they aren't put yet so no one can buy them. Until they come out they can't go on the list.

XP passes were good, they should bring them back in my opinion. I'm not really sure on XP passes so I'll give you those ones.

Cool downs don't stop us from buying supplies and it certainly doesn't stop ''druggers'' from ruling the battles. (supplies need more limitations)

Crystal boxes being removed just meant we get less crystals in battle. I'm not saying they should bring it back, cause they shouldn't but it wasn't for anyone; it just made us get less crys.

All of the above is wrong apart from the XP passes. And I've explained why.

 

Now I will tell you from the top of my head the updates that were for buyers.

Premium accounts

Gold boxes (purchasing the supply)

Special paints for buyers that don't seem to be in the garage. Arachnid, Liquid Metal, Neuron, Lime.

Supplies Tanki has done everything to make it as easy as possible for buyers to get supplies. You can buy 1.5k supplies for 13.99 (depending on where you live)

Upgrades. I know that you don't need to buy to fully upgrade weapons, but at low ranks you need crystals and a lot of it if you want to fully upgrade anything before the M1 is available.

XT equipment. Its 500k AND you need premium to buy it. Come that is for buyers I mean... its as strong as normal M3 just looks better.

Premium paints. They are similar to the paints above except they can be purchased with crystals but they same way you need premium to buy XT you need premium to buy these paints. (golden star, frost,).

Paint separation update. I know I said this above on your list, but making you buy a module and a paint is not all Tanki did. They made normal paints which costed  6k suddenly cost over 100k!!! To make things worse before the devs realised people had alt accounts low ranking kits for recruit level were over 100k. Now to buy lizard kit its like 12k it used to be 4k. Paints are way to expensive if they do nothing.

 

Those are the updates, there's probably more but this is all I could think of for now.

Also in battles you hardly get any crys. From a one hour match you get 1k at most. And the prices of equipment is so high its just forcing people to buy crys. If not why did someone create a topic about Tanki not being fair? Tanki is just proving they want the money and they don't care if we enjoy the game or not. We non-buyers need AND want some updates too. Its just not fair people...

[AverageDavelaar 89]

No This game becoming pay2win

[Tani_S 736]

You guys clearly have not played any MMO game, tank is NOT pay-to-win

Were the other games you are talking of also for kids?

[jdc20181 213]

They give us millions of free cry in game a day with the option to add more to your wallet for a price - some can afford it and it pays for the game fees.

 

Secondly - 

 

The pay options are things WE  suggest, I am not a big spender i have spent around $50 on this game, and I suggest spend things all the time. 

 

E.g. I suggested Garage custom looks that could cost up in the 100k cry + I dont have that laying around that would take 100 days averaging 1k cry a day to get. Dont ahve that kind of time. But someone may like it!

 

It doesn't matter that some things are more torward spending but again  - its to keep the fees to keep the game going. 
 

You dont have to spend. The only disadvantage from a spender to a non spender is premium accounts which give bonus cry to you. but other than that there is no real issues. 

 

The game is balanced and will be balanced if it should get unbalanced. 

[Parkourists 3]

why is this drug kit (15000) ended up in the shop? I am not a buyer !! you want only money tanki online