Episode 108 of the V-LOG is here

[M-axis 589]

Yep, people get upset from time to time and the guy in question is probably obnoxious but still.  A pm is the best place for that tirade, not the forum.

Uh huh, maybe so, I could agree with this slightly, but then the other players would get the wrong idea since Cedric didnt reply.

 

Semyon barely replied to the Community, first thing. Second thing, he did not involve himself into the community, its users and helpers as much as Cedric is doing.

 

What Cedric said is a legitimate response to someone considering "an extra feature provided by a volunteer" as a "must give me this thing or you are useless": we are volunteers, we do what we can and at our best for others, for users and to support the game. All what we provide is an extra, something we are gladly willing to add, but nothing of what we do is a "must" — this is where Cedric got upset. 

 

Some users as the one involved in this argument consider Helpers as his servants and other users as pointless noobs roaming the community and he is on top of them all, but this is not how things work.

 

AYE AYE

Semyon Kirov managed it.

He managed it. Cedric is awesomeing it.

[dan146_tanker 770]

Why have you nefed my smoky that I saved so hard to get? Don't remove my post again.

What do you mean by nerfed?

[AverageDavelaar 89]

Twins NEEDS TO BE NERFED NOT RAILGUN

[dan146_tanker 770]

Twins NEEDS TO BE NERFED NOT RAILGUN

Can't disagree there, railgun takes skill and his already hard enough to use. Nerfing Rail again just wow! Rail is for the skilled, and is the most powerful weapon if you can use it, if not its the weakest. Anyone can use twins. But the real weapon that needs to be nerfed is (not saying twins shouldn't get nerfed, btw) smoky. Its critical damage is super annoying also its impossible to track its location.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

Uh huh, maybe so, I could agree with this slightly, but then the other players would get the wrong idea since Cedric didnt reply.

If I was in the CM position, I would not have ignored it. I would have put the guy straight with a polite response. But, if I wanted to launch a rabid attack, I'd do it in a pm. :ph34r:

[Bydo 20,154]

guy's give Cedric a break

 

please stop comparing him to Seymon.. each person does there work differently and some have more experience .. for Seymon he is not here to defend himself so really its best not to continue..

For Mr Debono ..we have  not given him a break which is wrong ,  lets just let him do what he is hired for and that is to give us the info the Dev and management has set out for him .. he can't change anything about  it ..  all he can do is simply  relay messages to his boss on how or if there will be issues with the updates .. over all he is doing the same job as Seymon and other past CM"S ..

 

 so lets all just calm down..

[Guest]

Cedric got angry? Maybe now he knows how us players feel when unnecessary changes are made to the game.....  -_-

1. Unnecessary changes is a definition you, as costumer, give. You, nor me, nor Cedric, can view the global perspective and plans setup by Devs, thus the max. we can do is discuss and give feedbacks on changes, but surely not define their usefulness
2. Cedric is not a Dev, he is a CM, he doesn't decide which changes should come and when / why, thus he has no reasons to get pointed at for "feeling how players feel", Devs should be the ones pointed at, but if you read point 1, you'd understand what I mean.

 

In conclusion, you just seem to be one of those users that want everything as you and only you want things to be, maybe immediatly, and surely not with cause-cognition and proper manners. If you think someone will listen to your "kind manners and requests", you are seriously wrong.

In this topic, as in many others, a good amount of users learned to give constructive and mannered feedbacks and complaints which even got listened, while users acting like you didn't go far.

 

 

P.S. If you have a complain on an Helper, contact that Helper's Administrator. Public shame and accusations on users / helpers are not allowed.

[CooperO 7,956]

But that is right on the border of Marshall and General. What devs can do is make half of the weapons on general rank and other half on Marshall

Worth mentioning it in the survey, however I think their point was to make everything accessible in one rank only. 

 

 

I have some questions regarding the upcoming balance update. There are some things I didn't really understand. Excuse me, that I haven't read the last half of this thread yet.

 

1) In the Wiki article it says: Ranks aligned to  Marshal

What does this mean, are they only aligned or are all M3 weapons only available from rank Marshal by then?

 

2) Weapons that are at the moment accessible from below Marshal become stronger and above Marshal become weaker. Here you are considering the M3 level. When looking on their respective M4 Level, are you considering, that they should be balanced, so be able to compete with each other? Otherwise you practically can ignore some weapons on Gismo level.

 

3) The mentioned additional changes for hulls are A) less differences regarding speed and hp between tanks and B] the same hp for tanks in the same class. 

 

Considering approach B, how can there be enough differentiation (by speed, since other attributes are secondary) between the tanks within one class, if they have the same hp? The main differentiators for me regarding tanks has always been the differentiations in the combination of speed and hp.

 

4) Why is everybody talking about an Isida Nerf? They said in the Vlog that weapons below Marshal become stronger, and Isida is available from Brigadier on, so wouldn't it become stronger then?!

 

Thanks for answers, especially some from official guys  ;)

 

1) All M3 equipment will be unlocked at Marshal, unlike in the current situation, where it's spread out over Brigadier til Generalissimo.

2) M4 equipment should be balanced also, when compared to other M4 equipment.

3) The differences will be small indeed, but for example: Hunter will be able to accelerate much faster than Viking, giving it a faster feel (and advantage over Viking) in the smaller maps, it will also be heavier than Viking, which should make it a bit more stable (comes in handy when others are trying to make you miss). I think it depends on personal taste which characteristics you think are most valuable. For some indeed it will be armor and speed, but for some it will be stability or acceleration. I do believe that the differences will be so small that owning all three mid-class tanks will become unnecessary though.

4) Players are talking about an Isida nerf based on the stats in the Wiki article. Looking at the stats, especially the self healing ability will be nerfed. All parameters, except for energy consumption and damage (M3), will be nerfed. I'm curious to see how strong Isida will become after the update. Maybe overall, Isida will become better due to decreased energy consumption, but it's still too early to tell. However, Isida is currently one of, if not THE most powerful M4 turret with drugs, mostly due to the self healing ability.

[CooperO 7,956]

http://en.tankiwiki.com/Global_update_of_game_balance_for_Tanki_Online Parameters of railgun have been changed too much.I think that rail should not even have been touched.Perfect as it is.

Topic merged.

[dan146_tanker 770]

PandaGeneral_II, on 02 Oct 2016 - 13:24, said:

http://en.tankiwiki....or_Tanki_Online Parameters of railgun have been changed too much.I think that rail should not even have been touched.Perfect as it is.

I agree, rail is like the best gun in the game, if it gets weaker all clans will defenatly  leave, also most of the skilful players will too. Tanki just can't make these updates without our consent if they want the game to really be in balance....

[delnina2 1,570]

Due to this annoucnement I have bought a kit, which I wasn't planning to buy it.

[Bydo 20,154]

 

PandaGeneral_II, on 02 Oct 2016 - 13:24, said:

I agree, rail is like the best gun in the game, if it gets weaker all clans will defiantly  leave, also most of the skillful players will too. Tanki just can't make these updates without our consent if they want the game to really be in balance....

 

you are missing the point of these updates like i have said keep watch on the alternation modules ..

 

  they can change the game anytime they want we don't own it .. and the Dev's get paid to do a job ..its management who dictates what they want to see in the game / or dislikes sure we can voice our concerns / opinions ...but its really down to the management of this company.. CM's are only the people who relay messages back on how we the players like or dislike the idea's .. then its fully there choice to change it or not ( Dev's ) .. we have no clue what the future plans are for this game only they do..

Edited October 2, 2016 by frozen_heart

[sherrylin257 7]

railgun isn't become weaker .If you use calculator.

[sherrylin257 7]

The developer want to launch this update in weapon in the mid october.But something I have to say that there are too many problems in it.

[Reaper.Prime 9]

I was talking about the grand one that happened a few years ago. Cedric does a fine job a community manager, and so did Semyon, so stop comparing apples to oranges, k?

So what you mean is that Tanki has 1 and only 1 rebalance ever in his whole history, referring any other equipment adjustments updates to "rebalance" is inaccurate/misleading, is that what you meant ?

 

Anyway, wording is not the main point here, rather it's the motivation behind in asking people to refrain from using the word "rebalance". I smelled that someone wanted to downplay the impact of this rebalance. And that motivation seems to came from his own will, not from developers, or so.

 

Comparing both community managers is not my focus, nevertheless, they fill the same position and perform the same function, so it make sense to compare them. Having said that, I don't like Seymon's style either.

Edited October 2, 2016 by Reaper.Prime

[Maf 32,314]

The developer want to launch this update in weapon in the mid october.But something I have to say that there are too many problems in it.

Topic merged

 

It would greatly help us if you actually explained what you think those problems are. More detailed feedback is always appreciated.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Can't disagree there, railgun takes skill and his already hard enough to use. Nerfing Rail again just wow! Rail is for the skilled, and is the most powerful weapon if you can use it, if not its the weakest. Anyone can use twins. But the real weapon that needs to be nerfed is (not saying twins shouldn't get nerfed, btw) smoky. Its critical damage is super annoying also its impossible to track its location.

Don't worry you got your wish with Smokey. Crits hits after the patch will do significant damage only at long range. By this I mean at short range a critical will do only slightly more damage than a normal hit. And any rail jockey should beat beat smokey in a long-range exchange. 

[dan146_tanker 770]

you are missing the point of these updates like i have said keep watch on the alternation modules ..

 

  they can change the game anytime they want we don't own it .. and the Dev's get paid to do a job ..its management who dictates what they want to see in the game / or dislikes sure we can voice our concerns / opinions ...but its really down to the management of this company.. CM's are only the people who relay messages back on how we the players like or dislike the idea's .. then its fully there choice to change it or not ( Dev's ) .. we have no clue what the future plans are for this game only they do..

We do own it in a way. They call the shots cause most of us let them. We pay their salary, we buy crystals they get money, they pay the bills, food, etc. If everyone were to leave or stop buying crystals what would happen? Its because of the players the game is still alive. And we do know the future plans. They tell us.

[Bydo 20,154]

We do own it in a way. They call the shots cause most of us let them. We pay their salary, we buy crystals they get money, they pay the bills, food, etc. If everyone were to leave or stop buying crystals what would happen? Its because of the players the game is still alive. And we do know the future plans. They tell us.

Is your legal name on the company's legal papers and any other Government document .. I can say not  cause mine is not also on it ..

the only way yours can be is if you signed those papers .. crystals are not money .. if you bought them with real cash then you can look at it that way but really its not .. all you did and including myself is put money into a game and where it goes only management knows .. if we all left and stopped buying well its easy others would join in our place and once no one would continue to play ..then they can get a bank loan or close this game down they have the control .. also the money that came from this game after paying off bills and things what is left after a certain length of time would go back into the main owners of the game and not the players hands unless we ( you ) filed a lawsuit at the company.. which I can tell you , the grounds to do one is lengthy and costly ..and would not be worth wasting time or lawyers fees for one..

we can only speculate on what there plans are , they have not given in full detail all of it only what they want us to know at this time .. in time yes we will see more of it .. and in some ways it do's look like tanki-X but not all of it ..

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

 

 

You had to remove the 1500 supplies pack from the garage because:
"the discount on the supply pack was simply too high"
 
So this is what you had to go through with;

• Previously, if someone wanted to buy a 1500 supplies kit in the garage,
  it would have cost them 105,000 crystals.
   
• Now, they have to buy 15 x 100 supplies kits,
  costing them now 262,500 - which is a whopping 150% increase on the original price!
   
• But, if you buy them with cash, i.e. €13.99, you're basically getting them for the crystal equivalent of 45,000 crystals.
  This is about a 60% decrease on the original price which you say was already too heavily discounted!

When you say, "as a result it affected the game economy negatively", what you really mean to say is you need to make more money from supplies. By making them really expensive in the garage and really cheap to buy for cash, you've made supplies more attractive to buyers and less attractive for free2play players.

 

 

 

Although the equivalent in crystals is much lower, only a minority of players will be willing to spend real money on those supplies, which is why we're trying this approach to reduce extensive drugging.

 

So why make them so cheap for buyers? If the aim was to reduce extensive drugging, why not make them the same price as the garage price? 262,000. Better still, why not remove the 1500 kit altogether and just leave the 100 supplies kit and price those the same?

 

I can't accept your reasons while this bias exists. Remove the bias and I'll believe you and tanki. Don't remove it and it's pretty clear to me what the reasoning behind this move is. There won't be any trust otherwise and people will still continue to accuse you of putting money first and balanced game play second.

 

Selling power at greatly reduced prices, goes against tanki's promise and you know it.

[J.G.S.D.F 73]

Don't be fooled. The so called sale after the rebalancing in mid-October is actually the  annual Halloween sale; we don't get any extra sale from the rebalancing.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

 

 

 

 

 

So why make them so cheap for buyers? If the aim was to reduce extensive drugging, why not make them the same price as the garage price? 262,000. Better still, why not remove the 1500 kit altogether and just leave the 100 supplies kit and price those the same?

 

I can't accept your reasons while this bias exists. Remove the bias and I'll believe you and tanki. Don't remove it and it's pretty clear to me what the reasoning behind this move is. There won't be any trust otherwise and people will still continue to accuse you of putting money first and balanced game play second.

 

Selling power at greatly reduced prices, goes against tanki's promise and you know it.

Actions speak louder than words. I just wish they would be honest with us.

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

 

 

 

 

 

So why make them so cheap for buyers? If the aim was to reduce extensive drugging, why not make them the same price as the garage price? 262,000. Better still, why not remove the 1500 kit altogether and just leave the 100 supplies kit and price those the same?

 

I can't accept your reasons while this bias exists. Remove the bias and I'll believe you and tanki. Don't remove it and it's pretty clear to me what the reasoning behind this move is. There won't be any trust otherwise and people will still continue to accuse you of putting money first and balanced game play second.

 

Selling power at greatly reduced prices, goes against tanki's promise and you know it.

they know that very good,both helpers and devs

 

helpers sre defending their "very special paints" plus crystal/supply income for being one

 

devs one the other hand are making best of them to force people out of the game so they could move to the TX,without long time a go promised goodies for loyal players,which means they are hipocrits and liars

 

all promises LagOnline devs gave to us are just that..promises,dead letter on paper

 

but,I hope it will strike them back in TX.. :)

[xXx.RazoR.xXx 543]

Actions speak louder than words. I just wish they would be honest with us.

hehehehe,if this is your main account,sadly,get used to the fact that only honestly they know is $$$

 

everything they promised here was crap..they kept us in dark for very long time in a matter of most important question of transferring to TX

 

they have 0 credibility in my eyes,in eyes of almost all veterans of the game,all players who ask right questions

 

if this is your alt account,then,you allready know all of this :)

[LittleWillie 3,199]

OK, I keep hearing about it, but I have no idea what it means. Help a newer layer out. What the dickens in Tank X? Or TX? Or whatever? I know TO is Tanki Online, this game.