New balance changes and other features

[Bydo 20,121]

Posted 21 Oct 2016 - 11:43

leep13, on 21 Oct 2016 - 03:29, said:

For the no-pay-to-play this new balance is great..    But........

 

What's the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you;  fool me twice, shame on me"..

 

I am not looking for sympathy here from non-buyers but FYI  for Tanki Online owners;  for us folks who did spend many crystals on micro-upgrades the last 4 to 6 months to m3 turrets, hulls and protection modules this change kind of leaves a bad after taste that won't be going away anytime soon.  After this change my current paid account m3's are much worse than my free account which was equipped with an m1 rico and m1 viking prior to the change.     Ouch!! and  Burned!!  I can only believe there must not be many pay to play members and they have weighed the cost of losing the few they have.  I don't speak for all but you will not catch me paying for anymore crystals ever again..  I may be foolish but enough is enough.   Again, it is fine if this was their goal.   Being from America (not crazy proud of) I am used to everything geared towards profit making and did not expect such a..... for a lack of a better phrase "rip-off".  If I would have known this would happen I would have never paid for crystals.   Oh Well.....    Time to move on and see what else is available....  No big deal...      

 

FYI...   

If you were based in the good ole' USA.. you would be setting yourself up for a good ole' American style lawsuit.   But since you are not based in USA and clearly NOT a "for profit" outfit and because this is only a game I don't think anyone would try.   I believe in America they call it "bait and switch" which would require the company if caught baiting  customers and then switching to refund all proceeds including a penalty and face jail time.  Be careful so  it does not happen here.  It can become difficult and uncomfortable when you start to charge real money for services. Considerable thought needs to go into these type of changes after accepting money and the consequences both legally and financially can be devastating. 

 

Take care and good night!!

I can't agree with you more.. you said the truth and i believe there are laws to protect us.. also on pay pal we have 180 days to file a complaint and get full refund.. so with that said tanki really needs to check the govern laws that  protect other country's

 

For Mr/ Debono .. you can say we are only worried about our own tanks and yes we are but when you look at it from our point of few ,, if others all use the same equipment what then .. the battles won't be battles it would be more a push me pull me games with little to no kills .. seeing everyone will be op..also you are not looking at the lower ranks who now are forced to battle with ranks who have m3 fully upgraded and they will only have m2 due to the  outrageous cost on m3 kits which they now have to pay cash for them and if going single well by the time they reach gizmo whats the point of even trying to buy m3 most players as soon as they reach Marshal or around that rank would have given up the battles..

 

so ask yourself s this how can you sleep at night seeing your ripping off players who have ..like I have said all along .. have paid for all these items and now having to pay again.. what a ripe off

[The_Pakistani 16,768]

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[tonivukovic 2]

New update ruined xp/bp battles. There is too big difference betwen m2and m3 railgun. 3 hits to kill a tank is also bad change because it is going to change everything.

[Bydo 20,121]

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we can keep it going but really when you look at the whole picture from there point of view .. the Dev's are saying we have more experience and know what the final picture will be .. and from my point of view what i see in the future for this game if it lives for two more years .. i can see this game being ... a pay to fail game .. no matter how much time and money spend here what do you get in the end A BIG FAT NOTHING..... seeing everything will be $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and no more crystals to buy things with ..so even playing  the game with nothing to get back nothing  from it , just time wasted .. if we wanted to waste time playing then most players would go out side and have fun just hanging around with there friends talking about nothing..

Edited October 21, 2016 by frozen_heart

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

I don't play much xp/bp, but it seems railgun is better now, at least against ranged turrets.

[Shockspeare 10]

 

 

 

Ehm... no, I dont get it.

You know.. XP/BP was - due to it's slow reload - kind of an art. It was a very elegant sport, that challenged your mind (tactics) as well as your manual skills (aim, moves, dodges). The slow reload made _every_shot_count_ and to know that any hull would die after the second hit, allwed to plan ahead your moves. Now they introduced a very, very large portion of luck to this gamemode (it is pretty likely to be 3shot), that was loved for valueing and paying back for pure skills.

 

For me now, the change feels like if you play chess, and for each 10th move you are allowed to roll the dice; if it shows a 6 then you can steal one figure of your enemy.

 My point was that, given the railgun's higher firing rate and lower impact damage inflicted on the opponent for each hit, the game's dynamic has changed.  It won't be long before it becomes second nature to us all ...

 

Edited October 21, 2016 by Shockspeare

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

 

 My point was that, given the railgun's higher firing rate and lower impact damage inflicted on the opponent for each hit, the game's dynamic has changed.  It won't be long before it becomes second nature to us all ...

 

 

But watch an alteration come out that makes rail reload longer and do more damage and impact force.

 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Bydo 20,121]

 

But watch an alteration come out that makes rail reload longer and do more damage and impact force.

 

 

 

 

that is there plans but you need to pay $$ as time goes on .. soon no more crystals only $$$$$ .. and what we do have in crystals they would be spend on useless items in the garage like sending gifts to players when all we have to do is copy and paste in our pm;s for this and cost OOOOOOOOO nothing

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

some words upfront: I dont like the rebalance too. There where some things that had to be changed.. but it's a little to much on the wrong places now..

 

 

@lawsuit:

 

What they do is not very "fair" earth, but it is legal.

Why? Because players explicitely agreed to this kind of "agreement".

 

 

 

You have to agree on, during the initial registration procedure, before we are allowed to enter the game:

 

 

The License Agreement is the -> Tanki Online EULA (End User License Agreement).

There you find this passage:

9. Company’s rights and obligations

2. The Company shall be entitled to remove and/or change any information, content and Material(s) which forms part of the Game and/ or Online Facilities without any prior warning or notification.

 

"The most expensive thing I ever gave away, was my signature on a contract"

 

 

Edited October 21, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

For those how think about a lawsuit: please consider to read the EULA (End User License Agreement) that all of you have agreed on.

What they do is not the most "fair" thing on earth, but it is legal, as palyers agree to this kind of "agreement" when they start playing:

 

 

 

 

from: http://tankionline.com/en/eula/

 

 

True, but nowhere in there does it say we can't complain.

 

And btw Hello, i saw your alt this morning :) 

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

 My point was that, given the railgun's higher firing rate and lower impact damage inflicted on the opponent for each hit, the game's dynamic has changed.  It won't be long before it becomes second nature to us all ...

You are right, we will adapt to it changed parameters that lead to fixed results (like shorter reload).

 

But my point was slightly different.. they changed XP/BP from a highly predictible system into a system that is now much bigger influenced by luck. And was the core of my criticism regarding the XP/BP change for _random_ 3shots.

[wolverine848 13,097]

For the no-pay-to-play this new balance is great..    But........

 

You mean "non-buyers"?

How is this good for non-buyers?

 

If we had equipment that got nerfed we are stuck with that, and now need to scratch and claw enough crystals to replace that obsolete M3 (I'm looking at you Isida).

 

Buyers, if they want, can just plop down another wad of $$ and grab a new set of better M3 equipment. In fact many buyers already have multiple M3 sets and can thus switch, and still compete.

[DocWho6 47]

some words upfront: I dont like the rebalance too. There where some things that had to be changed.. but it's a little to much on the wrong places now..

 

 

@lawsuit:

 

What they do is not very "fair" earth, but it is legal.

Why? Because players explicitely agreed to this kind of "agreement".

 

 

 

You have to agree on, during the initial registration procedure, before we are allowed to enter the game:

 

 

The License Agreement is the -> Tanki Online EULA (End User License Agreement).

There you find this passage:

 

"The most expensive thing I ever gave away, was my signature on a contract"

 

 

Actually I work for the a state Department of Consumer Protection and even agreeing to their right to change things you are still protected by what is called Unfair Trade Practices Acts.  Bait and switch is an unfair trade practice and their agreement is superceded by that.  Only problem is they are not in the USA.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

True, but nowhere in there does it say we can't complain.

 

And btw Hello, i saw your alt this morning :)

Even more, we _shall_ complain !!

(but we should not think we can demand.. actually we can only ask, argument, and repeat ourselfes. And yeah, finally we can leave. But if someone now tells me we can "protest and stop playing all together".. well.. I doubt that the even 40% of the community will even manage that for 1 week :P :P :P  I mean, you cant even organise a clan training where [14 from 14 players] all show up on time ;) )

 

And it was a nice game with you today, _although_ my wasp handles like a dead horse instead of a agile Antilope ;)

Edited October 21, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[KingLionBlast 22]

 

But watch an alteration come out that makes rail reload longer and do more damage and impact force.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately this is what I fear. Alterations making turrets basically like they were before re balance, effectively erasing the re balance if you are a buyer.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Actually I work for the a state Department of Consumer Protection and even agreeing to their right to change things you are still protected by what is called Unfair Trade Practices Acts.  Bait and switch is an unfair trade practice and their agreement is superceded by that.  Only problem is they are not in the USA.

Good that you are a professional.

 

 

Is this truely bait and switch? I mean.. we do not even own the stuff here, we most likely just have the right to use it (as is).

Additionally they (company) host a forum where you can read that they do that on regular base.. they even discuss those changes in advance some times.

Also the players could use the stuff as they purchased it.. the switch happens much later (I could play my M3 isida for 20 days and used it for aprox. 20 hours .. smile? tears? dont know :P)

All in all it does not sound like bait-and-switch to me, as it is hard to proove that they to it in order to con their customers donators (another aspect by the way) .. but I am not familiar with US lawsuits.

Edited October 21, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Unfortunately this is what I fear. Alterations making turrets basically like they were before re balance, effectively erasing the re balance if you are a buyer.

Read my earlier post that shows how all the turret changes are to make people buy the alterations.

[Bydo 20,121]

Actually I work for the a state Department of Consumer Protection and even agreeing to their right to change things you are still protected by what is called Unfair Trade Practices Acts.  Bait and switch is an unfair trade practice and their agreement is super ceded by that.  Only problem is they are not in the USA.

is there not laws out side of the states which protect consumers on company's like this.. I live in Canada and i know that there are protection laws ..not 100% sure if they cover this gaming stuff ..this is all new for me .. but will contact my nephew who works as a manager in a company in Amsterdam ..who did work for Walt-Disney and cap com ..he might give me more info on this stuff .. good to know

Edited October 21, 2016 by frozen_heart

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

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And it was a nice game with you today, _although_ my wasp handles like a dead horse instead of a agile Antilope ;)

And my hornet got a hp AND speed nerf, but no drifting is great for circling with freeze.  

[DireFlyer 454]

So you once got owned by a M3 isida user while using a M2 kit.., so that justifies destroying the turret? ...Hmm!

 

I don't care that isida was singled out for nerfing, its the extent of the nerf that's the problem. IMO, Isida should be a healer-support turret(how I used it), not an attack-leading turret, the problem is that its healing of others has actually been made worse. And come on, you think a 80% reduction in self-healing is justifiable?...overall, its now an almost obsolete turret. I know when I face an isida in battle its an easy kill..balanced??

 

Well, isn't that how the Gismo isida owners feel?

....

Anyway, I agree with the rest of your post.

I REALLY want a refund on my izzy m3.....

 

hi

Hornet M3 and wasp M3 have equal protection. why?? please change them.. Please increase protection of hornet... 

yeah, I thought the point of wasp was the lower hp exchanged for speed... At least that is what you said last update.... almost as bad as poloticians...

 

I think it's time for a poll and whether we like or not these changes.

for sure!

 

New update ruined xp/bp battles. There is too big difference betwen m2and m3 railgun. 3 hits to kill a tank is also bad change because it is going to change everything.

yep, I can no longer play xp/bp until marshal <_< <_< <_< :angry: :angry: :angry:

[KingLionBlast 22]

What would a poll do? Every time there is a poll they are almost certain to exactly the opposite of what players want or fix the issue while creating a new one.

[xAvii 30]

All these ...... Developers want is MONEY! Why did they add Goldboxes and Kits which are bought by real money? Agree it first they ACTUALLY Cared about the players now all they want is


MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!!
 

Noob Developers your name shall be Pro.Destroyers.Of.Tanki! Agree with me? HIT THE Like This Button ! And noobs see which stupid update they brought now... Ricochet Twins smoky hammer have 0.500 (Half of a Second) Of a gap in shooting once U KIDDING ME?! Basically JUST DAMN SAY THAT U R GETTING THIS GAME WORST AND MAKE PLAYERS JOIN TANKI X. Bring stupid updates we will NEVER EVER Join ur CRAP Tanki x! And they converted Twins hammer smoky ricochet's gap in 1 shoot worst then the m0 of them. Basically their brain aren't working. 
 

WE ALL WANT OLD TANKI BACK! DONT BRING IT 100000 PLAYERS LEAVE. NOOB GAME NOOB RULES CRAP UPDATES! 

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

A poll would not show what specific parts of the update people don't like, and none of the devs care anyway.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Be sure the devs will make a survey.. such a goole forms document that you can fill online.

But (assuming they continue like in the past) the questions will not allow differntiated feedback.

 

 

 

It is more like

• do you like the upate [1..5]
• what turret is overpowered now [........ < chose one, yes a single one]
• which tureret is underpowered now...
• which are you going to buy
•  
• same for hulls...
• what hull would you preffer now...

 

 

 

But:

• Those quesitons just filter out the top-notches of stuff out of balance
• players often consider particular turrets overpowered, without considering the drawbacks
  old shaft : a lot of players wrote Shaft was overpowered.. but why are there never many shafts around if it is sooooo overpowered? Ah.. its hard gameplay if you wanna excell.. mhm.. and even pro's can hardly make it to score top of the board.. mhm.. yes that is called balance of power.

What you could harvest really well with such an survey is the anoyance of single turrets (no turret may be really anoying, as this makes players stop play the game)

 

Collecting feedback like that leads to "all-turrets-are-the-same" mainstram cake.

 

 

So in my opinion it is easier to check for balance by spectating some battles.

Edited October 21, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

What have you done with this game balance update you noobs...

 

Polygon CP battles are so silly and boring now. More than ten out of sixteen players are using Freeze and Firebird.