New balance changes and other features

[Phoenix.Rising 2,519]

Thousands of players join this game every day, so does it matter if you leave?

Thousands of new people? More like thousands of alts.

 

Edit: And mults.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Phoenix.Rising

[AshsPikachuDwij 1,035]

Thousands of new people? More like thousands of alts.

Correct!

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Railgun. Reload is way too quick now. Railers can get 2 shots off against Shafts 1!

Iit might help you, that a Railgunner now needs 3 shots to kill a Hunter/Viking/Dictator (HunVikTor :P) - before the update a rail needed 2 shots.

This 3 shots will last longer and the rail has to expose itself 3 times. Maybe you can use this to your advantage ;)

 

 

 

 

It seems inarguable that this update frustrates the skilled specialists beyond belief.

 

The most unique features of equipment were altered and shuffled or just flattened.

 

Wasp and viking are good examples. Some say they were "beefed," but skilled specialists seem to all agree the hulls are now annoying, practically useless.

 

I favored twins. My twins-viking (well MUd M3s) was simply fun! I danced around medium and heavy opponents and sparred directly with light hulls. My rapid pounding and constant motion and rapid turret targeting used to get me called "hacker." Now I'm ranked enough to be playing mostly players with much more experience. They know I'm not hacking, but they often still express annoyance. It was fun to rampage through a half-dozen opponents and destroy them all (sometimes). Now, if I manage such an assault at all, it is from hanging back and keeping them in each other's line of fire. I cannot charge in and dodge and slay. It just doesn't work now.

 

Now, the combination is a pathetic, slow, sluggish drudgery. It seemed my killing potential was about the same, but my tactics just wouldn't work. There was just no response when I demanded of my rig. Turning and turret turning were simply infuriating because I could not do now what I could do yesterday. I had a nimble and responsive rig. Now it is a lumbering brute.

 

I'll say again, the field has been leveled. Poor players now have less disadvantage, especially if they will fork out $20 for 1500 supplies every few weeks. Skilled players now have little hope. Determined players may find new skills, new advantages, but the fun I had was taken by this update.

 

Cedric asks for more time. I will give it, but I am not optimistic.

 

I've played for over 30 months, with roughly 800 hours on my six different accounts, each with a different specialty.

 

I have seen the ups and downs, and I've stuck it out. I've read the whining and complaining and thought most of it unjustified. Some of it was justified. Some of the changes were simply bad.

 

 

This update seems the worst by far to me. It took out the fun.

Exactly. It took out the fun of the gameplay.

As fun is the most common reason why people play games, this should be considered by Alternativa ;)

 

 

[blackwasp does not like to be 3shot in XP/BP with his M2 Wasp vs M3 Rails]

Any less number of shots and you'd find yourself hemmed in, unable to make any progress.  You see?

Ehm... no, I dont get it.

You know.. XP/BP was - due to it's slow reload - kind of an art. It was a very elegant sport, that challenged your mind (tactics) as well as your manual skills (aim, moves, dodges). The slow reload made _every_shot_count_ and to know that any hull would die after the second hit, allwed to plan ahead your moves. Now they introduced a very, very large portion of luck to this gamemode (it is pretty likely to be 3shot), that was loved for valueing and paying back for pure skills.

 

For me now, the change feels like if you play chess, and for each 10th move you are allowed to roll the dice; if it shows a 6 then you can steal one figure of your enemy.

Edited October 21, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[amsterdamn 242]

(1) still error in game: invisible tankers making kills ->> tanki FIX that FAST!

(2) w-t-h have you done? my hornet M4 drives heavy like a viking m3-m4!!!!!

[diagrams 1]

(1) still error in game: invisible tankers making kills ->> tanki FIX that FAST!

(2) w-t-f have you done? my hornet M4 drives heavy like a viking m3-m4!!!!!

the hornet reduced the flexible. so it now not got #hipsonfleek

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Thousands of players join this game every day, so does it matter if you leave?

This means 33% of the EN server capacity are assigned to newcomers that will not even complete 1% of the game.

While only 66% of the EN server capacity are assigned to consitant players that stick to master the rest (and might make a purchase while thy go through the rough middle ranks, where you ran out of crystals due to misinvestments as beginner).

 

You see those 1000s of new players each day are not necessarily usefull.

 

In the middle ranks (EN4) most of the battles have at least one pro - obviously an alt. They will not spend much, as they know how to earn well. This means at least an load ratio by alts of 5%. The rest are hard trying tankers

 

data source:

My lowest ranking alt has the rank which reflects to be less then 1% of the total xp-rankrange up to Gismo.

If i login vie the webpage, I am located to EN4. The EN community consits of 6 servers.

Obviously my rank is too high for EN6 and EN5.. which means that EN5 and EN6 are intended to be filled up with beginners.

Edited October 21, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[amsterdamn 242]

EVERY GAME I HAVE PLAYED SO FAR: SEVERAL FATAL ERRORS FOR NO APPARENT REASON KICKING ME OUT OF THE GAME

EVERY GAME INVISIBLE PLAYERS

NEXT TIME BEFORE RELEASE DO SOME PROPER TESTING

[BloodEater 5]

What a update...

Protection of hornet & wasp is same at m3....

This is not fair...

Please increase the protection of hornet m3 as compared to m3 wasp....

Because m3 wasp have more speed.

[newrohan 1,040]

Generalissimos needs to earn more experience points in battles and more crystals as well.

 

That is because Generalissimos currently don't earn enough crystals and experience points in battles. That's not fair for Generalissimos.

 

There is a huge need for an update that allows (only) Generalissimos the ability on earning more experience points and crystals during every battles they perform. That means that for every kill a Generalissimo gets, he earns more crystals and experience points.

 

When using Isida, Generalissimos earn more experience points and crystals by killing enemies and healing team mates in team battles.

We need more people like you, Then only I believe the community would improve and the forum will be more fun. :)

[POWERFULLSOUL 78]

Hey all. I appreciate that you're taking the time to give your feedback here. Just keep one thing in mind. For now, these are just first impressions. To really see how the update has affected the game, you need to wait for things to settle down.

isda and railgun is waste i bet it is not first impression!

[Wit 599]

You noob gitss.....isida wasnot OP at all,drugs made it OP....it has the same range as fire almost and the feature it had was to self heal...now its just worthless...it was only OP when it had drugs...you ruined it...and you made freeze OP instead now..this is what u call balance??
Then you can say "let the situation settles down a bit" and you dont do anything like with the paint separaion update...the only reason most of people play tanki is because of our friends

[Crip 4,735]

I had to quit my mini account today because it was based around Isida M2. 1 battle, that's all it took to make that decision. My k/d was 1.5 (even while activating supplies I still had a low K/D) whereas I was getting 3 or 4 before the update.  If you looked very hard through a microscope at your health bar while attacking you might be able to see it being restored.

 

The 3/4 loss in self-healing has hurt it the most. It now gets absolutely dominated by Fire and Freeze (M1 versions), whereas before it could actually compete with them. I think maybe a 1/4 reduction was warranted, but not 75%. If there was no short range weapons in the vicinity then yes, it could still be a threat. Problem is, everyone uses Fire (cheapest M1) at low ranks and Isida has no hope against the M2 version either.

 

What's left for Isida? Well, you can still hide at the edge of the battle healing tanks in range. But even the time it takes to heal tanks has been increased. The M2 was struggling to heal a Hornet M1 :wacko:

 

The future is bleak.

[enemy10 1]

hi

Hornet M3 and wasp M3 have equal protection. why?? please change them.. Please increase protection of hornet... 

[Crip 4,735]

hi

Hornet M3 and wasp M3 have equal protection. why?? please change them.. Please increase protection of hornet... 

You not watched the Vlog?

 

Hull Point Brackets: (Each M3 hull has the same HP as the other hulls in its bracket).

 

Bracket 1: Wasp and Hornet

Bracket 2: Dictator, Viking and Hunter

Bracket 3: Mammoth and Titan

 

Part of the new update.

[LickMyneckbeard 14]

haha! this update is SOOOOO BAD.

 

not only did you break half the turrets and hulls for everyone who isn't a pay to win loser, you also managed to break the whole game's actual operation. my controls lag so hard right now there is literally NO POINT EVEN PLAYING

 

good job you absolute fools. Make the game too annoying to play by ripping off people who have spent ages building up a good tank...., then make it actually literally unplayable too...

 

tanki cpmpany going bankrupt in 3............ 2....................... 1............................

[VaudeVille 1,428]

Well folks,

Prior to the update, I used mainly smoky and isida.

Despite the fact that I got nerfed badly, I still don't mind the update that much and they new features are pretty good. Isida got nerfed a bit too much and I hope they rebalance isida by buffing it a bit as it's practically worthless now.

[Crip 4,735]

I can't get over the fact that Viking now drifts. It doesn't seem to fit its solid personality at all.

[Tethorakismeno 28]

Hi all,

I just wanna say I'm vulcan dictator/mammoth player and from now on vulcan's impact force is lower than smoky's (!).

So smokys don't be afraid of me anymore. Alas I should be afraid of you.

Also dictator has the same life as hunter (!). If this is not surreal then what is it??

I thought dictator had its own protection stage which it should bave been between big hulls (titan/mammoth) and middle ones (viking/hunter). However update proved me wrong. So why should I keep up using dictator instead of hunter?? Just give me a good reason.

I don't mind if mammoth's life is same as titan's or vulcan's damage distance is equal with other weapons (except rail/shaft which don't have any restriction) but sometimes small changes can spoil unique characteristics of a setup each player has chosen to use.

 

My opinion is: Please reconsider correcting all these "small changes" you've done so far in order to keep us using our chosen setups.

By the way it was about time ISIDA NOT TO BE THE PRIMARY WEAPON! I'm SOOOO GLAD for that!

Edited October 21, 2016 by Tethorakismeno

[Sandervanes2 58]

Im basicly a 100% wasp player. Mostly in format battles, but normal ones too. And to be honest, the 'rebalance' sucks! The reason I play with wasp is because of its speed AND NOT HIS HP!!!!

Thanks for ruining wasp for me. I don't care about those extra hit points. I'd rather have you cut its HP in half, but get its speed back to normal.

[ArcSupremo7 0]

I think it's time for a poll and whether we like or not these changes.

[BlueDragon_tamki 3,204]

I can still twoshot hornet and wasp :mellow: (except if it's m0 which is often, rarely twoshots)

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Pretty much everthing about the update has been a plus so far, except for a few things.

1) Freeze is too strong. It does ALOT of damage, and ALOT of freezing. One needs to be lowered- if a freeze starts shooting you, there is almost no way to get out of it.

Reducing the damage is fine, because that is what firebird is for and is not the defining feature of freeze.  But the freeze effect is good as it is.  The Devs just gave back freeze one of it's main characteristics.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I just tried WaspM3+ / Freeze M3+ on Serpuchov. Although I lost most of my Freeze skills, it is way OP as it is now...

I also opt for reducing the damage slightly and leave the freeze effect.

 

Tactics are cool.. pass by a tank and give him a frozen blush so he cant trace and aim you, get flag, come back to the tank and finish him off.

Loving it :)

[DocWho6 47]

So you basically con people into buying equipment based on certain parameters, then you reduce or sometimes even eliminate those parameters without any form of compensation, what an expletive joke!!

 

 I bought and MU'ed firebird m3 for the afterburn and I bought and MU'ed isida for self healing, you now take them away without a second thought to the hundreds of thousands of crystal I spent on these? you're kidding me right?

 

if a piece of equipment was overpowered then tough friggen luck, i earned that equipment and there is nothing from stopping anyone else from buying the same, now you remove my stuff because some little punks get butthurt that I kill them to easily? quit catering to the pansies you are only killing your own game.

 

People need to start doing credit card reversals and hit these suckers where it hurts, take away their money and they might finally listen to the tanki community.

Extremely well said.  It's like going out and buying a car that had a powerful V8 engine and the dealer stopping by a few months later and removing that engine and giving you a V6.  I would have never bought the car in the first place if it had a V6.

[DocWho6 47]

For the no-pay-to-play this new balance is great..    But........

 

What's the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you;  fool me twice, shame on me"..

 

I am not looking for sympathy here from non-buyers but FYI  for Tanki Online owners;  for us folks who did spend many crystals on micro-upgrades the last 4 to 6 months to m3 turrets, hulls and protection modules this change kind of leaves a bad after taste that won't be going away anytime soon.  After this change my current paid account m3's are much worse than my free account which was equipped with an m1 rico and m1 viking prior to the change.     Ouch!! and  Burned!!  I can only believe there must not be many pay to play members and they have weighed the cost of losing the few they have.  I don't speak for all but you will not catch me paying for anymore crystals ever again..  I may be foolish but enough is enough.   Again, it is fine if this was their goal.   Being from America (not crazy proud of) I am used to everything geared towards profit making and did not expect such a..... for a lack of a better phrase "rip-off".  If I would have known this would happen I would have never paid for crystals.   Oh Well.....    Time to move on and see what else is available....  No big deal...      

 

FYI...   

If you were based in the good ole' USA.. you would be setting yourself up for a good ole' American style lawsuit.   But since you are not based in USA and clearly NOT a "for profit" outfit and because this is only a game I don't think anyone would try.   I believe in America they call it "bait and switch" which would require the company if caught baiting  customers and then switching to refund all proceeds including a penalty and face jail time.  Be careful so  it does not happen here.  It can become difficult and uncomfortable when you start to charge real money for services. Considerable thought needs to go into these type of changes after accepting money and the consequences both legally and financially can be devastating. 

 

Take care and good night!!

Yes, if it were based in the USA they'd be facing a huge lawsuit.  It is definitely a bait and switch move.  Excellent point.