How much does a m4 hull improve performance in battle?

[DESTRUKCO 51]

Generally, I play DMs with generalissimos and I see that most of them have a m4 turret and hull. I spam DD in these battles in order to try to be first and to compete with the other DD spammers. Very occasionally, there is someone who also spams DD and surpasses me on the leaderboard. When I press R to look at their equipment, they always have a m4 turret and hull. Having a m4 shaft and m3 mammoth, I was wondering how much of a difference does a m4 hull make on your DM score?

[Maf 32,300]

You can calculate the difference in parameters between M3 and M4 modifications from the information on the Wiki (once it gets updated with the new values after the balance changes). It does make a really big difference, even though you might not necessarily be able to tell right away. But the difference is close to that between M2 and M3, or any other adjacent modifications. Sure, you can compensate for the bonus power of M4 by using a lot of supplies with your M3 instead, but the thing is that supplies run out, while MUs are permanent, so they do turn out to be cost-effective in the long term.

 

Although I wouldn't encourage you to MU your items to 50/50 no matter what. Due to the ridiculously high prices of the final few MU steps it's best to upgrade your M3s to 30 or 40 steps and then either buy modules or other turrets and hulls, or spend crystals on supply kits in order to always have supplies available.

[jazz20 1,181]

:P^^Well said...as usual

[Cyborg 3,189]

M4's do make a difference by far. In order to see how much, sometimes pen paper and calculator are not enough. You need to test them in the battle-field itself or watch someone using them. I always say this thing, '1 M4 is better than having a bunch of M3's' but after this re-balance I do not know what is the best M4, but I think it is freeze. As for the DM scores, yes it will give you a nice lead if you have more MUs than anyone else, but as maf said, MUing to 50/50 doesn't make much sense as after 40th step it barely makes a difference and is just a waste of crystals. Having supplies and modules instead is a better option.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Cyborg

[donderjong 0]

Of course it makes no difference: if all buy up to M4 you fight equally stronger opponents.

Only if you buy m4 and others don't but you don't have to think about that.

It is now an 1,2,3,4,5 game. Cheaper to buy, boring for the game.

[Bydo 20,123]

in my books having m4 in the past was great now its ok .. the best thing i suggest is to also buy alterations once your fully upgraded .. to having it you can get a step up over others.. even with drugs it amassing but for how long .. is the question due to there for ever going to change things on us and we have no say in the matter .. best thing is just battle and forget about m3 or m4 .. just have fun with friends .. if your here to be the best of the best then ok i understand ..

[Laser50000 516]

I'm not sure about M4 Hulls but for anything M4, turrets such as Smoky M4, shoot like rapid speed.

[Real_Uchiha_Sasuke 189]

m3 and m4 are  same like m2 and m3 , so non-buyers like us cannot fight agaisnt buyers in a true sense

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

The difference between m3 and m4 is often the greatest difference between any two modifications, except maybe smoky and firebird m1-m2.

[smokeyh2 1,512]

Like any game the further up the ladder you go the more the need for better equipment

I'm lucky that i am able to afford the top equipment in this game

I have a full 50-50 smoky m4 and a full 50-50 mammoth m4 and i can honestly say it was a good investment

Theirs no point in kidding yourself that your mued m2 will cut it with the big guys because trust me you will lose

 

So to answer your question YES  their is a huge difference between m3s and m4s

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

I was wondering how much of a difference does a m4 hull make on your DM score?

I estimate the score advantage of a full M4 combo vs a full M3 combo to +20% in score

(DM, same turret, same hull, same protection module, same skill level, no drugs).

+20% means that the M3 combo has 30 kills, while the M4 combo has 36 kills.

 

With drugs it is more likely to be +40%..+50%; so 30 kills to 42..45kills.

 

Is this maybe close to your observation?

Edited October 28, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[DESTRUKCO 51]

I estimate the score advantage of a full M4 combo vs a full M3 combo to +20% in score

(DM, same turret, same hull, same protection module, same skill level, no drugs).

+20% means that the M3 combo has 30 kills, while the M4 combo has 36 kills.

 

With drugs it is more likely to be +40%..+50%; so 30 kills to 42..45kills.

 

Is this maybe close to your observation?

When I got m3 shaft I remember getting around 50 kills per 15 min dm. Now that I have m4 shaft I get around 60 kills per 15 min game in my shaft, although I do drug more than when I first got my m3. This might be because I am against people with full m4 combos while I am m4/m3, while before I was just against m2's and m3's.

[BLASTER872 1,892]

16 MUs make a noticeable difference on my thunder, even.

 

I'd stop at 40 MUs though, like Maf said

Edited October 29, 2016 by BLASTER872

[arnav0506 2,777]

I have upgraded my alt's firebird m1 like 44/50 and it is a real beast.. But right now Im waiting for wasp m3 and MUs on my M3 firebird.. The difference of MUs really is !!

Edited November 2, 2016 by arnav0506

[austen_pierce 1,948]

IMO M4 hull may be the worst investment in the game outside of paints. It doesn't matter how good your armor is when you've got 2-3 drugger turrets pounding on you. You're dead anyway.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

well... I guess if 2-3 turrets are pounding at you, they might even need no drugs.

 

but you are right, drugs are way more powerfull then an M3->M4 upgrade.

The M3->M4 upgrade of a single combo (turret + hull + protction) may cost about 2..2.5Mio crystals. How many drugs would a free player get for that.. and how many hours of gameplay would they last?

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

well... I guess if 2-3 turrets are pounding at you, they might even need no drugs.

 

but you are right, drugs are way more powerfull then an M3->M4 upgrade.

The M3->M4 upgrade of a single combo (turret + hull + protction) may cost about 2..2.5Mio crystals. How many drugs would a free player get for that.. and how many hours of gameplay would they last?

If you only play about a hour a day and do the mission chains, you make more drugs than you spend. If you feel you want to play more Tanki, switch to another account.  This way you can perform competitively but also not use up all your drugs.  Drugs are not permanent, and I tend to think of things in the end result and long run, so I would never buy drugs, but I would m4 my favorite combo.

[wolverine848 13,097]

If you only play about a hour a day and do the mission chains, you make more drugs than you spend. 

Depends on the mission and the opponents. Some of the rewards are just terrible. Even after using the free switch.

 

You end up with an "earn #### xp on ____ map" it can get difficult. Especially if there's only one battle available and those are higher ranks that drug more. To compete you have to start using up your own supplies.

 

You could create your own battle, but... could take a while for others to join - especially if it is not a popular map.

 

Or just not do that mission and either switch it next day or hope the map is more available.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

No, I dont wanna do that. My drugs pile up so heavy, that I thought for a moment that they are the reason why my wasp was so spongy and flippy.. then I learned we had a balance update :p

 

I just wondered how long you could go.. but you are right. You could at least play until the free gifts are gone.

[austen_pierce 1,948]

Daily Missions do give you a lot of supplies. My 2 kit purchases also have me a lot of supplies. Then I up and bought the 1800 supply kit before it left the garage.

 

At one point I had nearly 3k of each supply. But I'm going through them pretty fast now that I play Gissmo battles. I'm also guilty of stupidly using supplies on a mission which awards more supplies :blink:

 

In terms of what to spend crystals on, I agree that supplies are short term which should be used to get crystals you'll use to get better equipment.

 

Bottom line - in an otherwise balanced battle - comparable hulls and turrets, a drugging M3 stock will beat a full MU M4 player.

 

But what if Tanki introduces real M4 equipment, which could be MU'd to M5? Guys - I'd be happy to be wrong about this, but the change in M3 unlock and the addition of Legend ranks feel pregnant with a change like this coming for the Commander-Gissmo-Legend ranks...

Edited November 10, 2016 by austen_pierce