Remembrance day/ Veteran Day

[canadian_tank 226]

Hello/Bonjour to all of you , it's been a while but just wanted to get into the topic of real war, so as you all know (Or should) November 11th is remembrance day (In Canada) or Veterans day (USA), it was chosen on this day because World War 1 officially ended when a peace treaty was signed at 5:00 am, fighting stopped at 11:00. So what are you doing at school (for all those that have it) and if not, what are you doing. For me, my class is reciting In flanders field(By John McCrae and singing O Canada. So what are you doing and before we end. So may we remember those who died for a better world (Please don't feel offended Hitler but you were down right horrible). Also, don't joke around, this is a serious topic

 

Some statistics 

Total Entente death toll of World War one: 5,186,854-6,433,692

Total death toll of all countries involved: 16-20 million

Total allied death toll of world war 2: 39,963,700

Total death toll of all nations involed in world war: 48,231,700

 

Sorces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

              http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm

 

 

 

Lest we forget

Edited November 1, 2016 by canadian_tank

[jazz20 1,181]

1 death is a tragedy....a million is merely a statistic

-Stalin

[hhgb 2,655]

Only WWI and WWII? How about the Korean conflicts in the 50's or all the crap that has broken loose in the middle east since then? Many more lives have been lost in other conflicts too!

[Bydo 20,175]

guys war is war nothing good has every come out of it ..if you come down to it people die, family's shattered..life's torn apart 

 

all for what ?? to prove who is better ..to make peace .. if they made peace in the first place non of the death would have happened ..

 

all wars are celebrated in Canada we honor all who died in the past and present serving our Country and our freedom...

 

to me due to my family belongs to the scouting movement we all participate in the parade .. the sad part is this year we will be missing out .. so for my younger son he will be doing the same ..as most kids in the school events.. with a parade to the gym and saying the prayers . singing O'Canada and other events...

 

 

USA

[beaku 2,656]

It is an interesting concept, wars. It changes human perception in highly twisted ways. Just as an example, I don't approve of murder. However, if I'm told that this soldier killed XYZ enemies in battle, I might, in fact, have respect for him. But, at the basic level, he did the same thing. Well, it can be argued that his intentions were good but then again, do intentions justify the action? Who knows?

In any case, I believe in remembering wars. Let us all remember wars and tell the stories to our children and they, to theirs. Let is not allow anyone to forget these wars. No, I do not ask you to remember the heroic/evil actions of a few individuals. I don't ask you to remember who lost and who win. Because in a war, there are no winners. The only loser is life. Life is lost. Blood is shed. Let us remember that, above anything else. Let us relate the word 'war' with horror and tragedy and loss of life. Let those horrors make us think a hundred times before we venture out on war again. In the end, let us remember that as long as we cannot create life, destroying it is a mere sin.

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

It is an interesting concept, wars. It changes human perception in highly twisted ways. Just as an example, I don't approve of murder. However, if I'm told that this soldier killed XYZ enemies in battle, I might, in fact, have respect for him. But, at the basic level, he did the same thing. Well, it can be argued that his intentions were good but then again, do intentions justify the action? Who knows?

In any case, I believe in remembering wars. Let us all remember wars and tell the stories to our children and they, to theirs. Let is not allow anyone to forget these wars. No, I do not ask you to remember the heroic/evil actions of a few individuals. I don't ask you to remember who lost and who win. Because in a war, there are no winners. The only loser is life. Life is lost. Blood is shed. Let us remember that, above anything else. Let us relate the word 'war' with horror and tragedy and loss of life. Let those horrors make us think a hundred times before we venture out on war again. In the end, let us remember that as long as we cannot create life, destroying it is a mere sin.

You're only partly right.

 

You know how I know that? Because I saw, I felt, I suffered and I survived two wars. You can ask or answer if you want, but I will not discuss this publicly.

[beaku 2,656]

You're only partly right.

 

You know how I know that? Because I saw, I felt, I suffered and I survived two wars. You can ask or answer if you want, but I will not discuss this publicly.

I understand. Feel free to PM me with your views. I'd love to hear you out.

[Bydo 20,175]

its interesting to say.. your a hero on one side ,but a killer on the other when war is over with..

 

either way you have to live with the repercussion of the after math of war...

 

war is ugly no matter which way you look at it...

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

its interesting to say.. your a hero on one side ,but a killer on the other when war is over with..

 

either way you have to live with the repercussion of the after math of war...

 

war is ugly no matter which way you look at it...

The wars now are mostly idealogical and religious, not political. So we see, even more, people demonizing the opposition, and often they're right.

 

Veterans Day is to remember all those heroes who sacrificed lives and time to preserve freedom for all of us who cannot.  They are the true heroes of the world, despite all the efforts to devalue their service.

Edited November 3, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[Bydo 20,175]

The wars now are mostly idealogical and religious, not political. So we see, even more, people demonizing the opposition, and often they're right.

 

Veterans Day is to remember all those heroes who sacrificed lives and time to preserve freedom for all of us who cannot.  They are the true heroes of the world, despite all the efforts to devalue their service.

most war's are not about religion past or present .. the only war that comes to mind, that is  ISSIC , and please feel free to correct me on my knowledge of living threw some of these wars over the years...most are to do with being the main government of the lands in other words being the bigger one...

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

most war's are not about religion past or present .. the only war that comes to mind, that is  ISSIC , and please feel free to correct me on my knowledge of living threw some of these wars over the years...most are to do with being the main government of the lands in other words being the bigger one...

I am a history fanatic... Most wars are due to religious conflicts. I'm not saying religion is undesirable or wrong, just stating a fact.  especially the european and middle-eastern wars starting from the dark ages through the reformation.

Edited November 3, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[beaku 2,656]

If I may say so, all wars are about one thing only. Power. Someone or the other wants more power and someone else doesn't like that idea. Sure, that comes out in various ways such as religion or geopolitics. But in the end, it's always fight for power. Quite ironical, really. When you think that the people actually fighting these wars are in no way concerned with the politics behind it.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

If I may say so, all wars are about one thing only. Power. Someone or the other wants more power and someone else doesn't like that idea. Sure, that comes out in various ways such as religion or geopolitics. But in the end, it's always fight for power. Quite ironical, really. When you think that the people actually fighting these wars are in no way concerned with the politics behind it.

I'm going to have to disagree with that. The definition of "power" you use is really broad, applying to all cases where somebody wants their way. Of course everybody wants their way, otherwise why would they fight over it?  However, "power" per se is not the defining reason for most wars.  For example, the suicide bombers in the middle east don't seek "power" for themselves.

Edited November 3, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[beaku 2,656]

Just reminding you not to go too deep into these issues for the risk of violating game rules. But, war isn't about individuals fighting it. It hardly ever is. Are our soldiers fighting for freedom or democracy or any such idealistic thoughts? No! That's not what they're thinking when pulling the trigger. Their only objective is to eliminate the 'bad guys'. And, again, for each side the other one is bad. As I always say: try to step in the shoes of the other person. Why are they doing it? They are human too after, all. They were born innocent, just like me. What conditions could have led them to commit such actions? When you think deep enough, you'll realise that it's an eternal cycle. Each war has its sore losers who resist again and again.

Why is it that even after millions of years of evolution, we still act like primitive organisms fighting over power. The only thing which has evolved, is the definition of that power. We fight for territory, resources, ideals, or pure simple baseless hatred. It is true that power corrupts. But what's even more true is that the mere thought of having power corrupts to a greater extent. Call me cynical but I don't think we'll ever learn. At least, not the way things are now. If two large scale wars and mass destruction weapons aren't enough to make us see the self-destructive path we've set upon, I don't know what will.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

War is not what is going to destroy humanity.  War is not the single biggest threat facing us today.

 

As a famous person once said: 

"You do not fight because you have something you hate in front of you, you fight because you have something you love behind you."

[Bydo 20,175]

guys you need to stop cause this topic is breaking the rules .. the post it self is fine but your talking about it should go to a pm ..

[beaku 2,656]

War is not what is going to destroy humanity. War is not the single biggest threat facing us today.

 

As a famous person once said:

"You do not fight because you have something you hate in front of you, you fight because you have something you love behind you."

Unfortunately, our self-destructive ways don't just end at petty wars. Climate change, Deforestation, pollution, etc are just some examples. All created by us and most of us still refuse to take it seriously thinking, "Meh... What can one person like me do?!"

As for that quote, I can only partly agree with it. You don't always fight because of hatred. But the 'something' you love behind you are just examples of powers I mentioned above such as territory, resources, ideals, etc.

[beaku 2,656]

guys you need to stop cause this topic is breaking the rules .. the post it self is fine but your talking about it should go to a pm ..

It's OK. Discussing war in general won't do any harm, but yeah, I agree. Before we get into specifics, I think we should move to PM.

[Fresh 2,390]

for some reason I do not mind about their deaths because they killed themselves.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

for some reason I do not mind about their deaths because they killed themselves.

Are you talking about suicide bombers?  Because if not..

[canadian_tank 226]

I am a history fanatic... Most wars are due to religious conflicts. I'm not saying religion is undesirable or wrong, just stating a fact.  especially the european and middle-eastern wars starting from the dark ages through the reformation.

#me too!

[Yisroel.Rabin 16,224]

It is an interesting concept, wars. It changes human perception in highly twisted ways. Just as an example, I don't approve of murder. However, if I'm told that this soldier killed XYZ enemies in battle, I might, in fact, have respect for him. But, at the basic level, he did the same thing. Well, it can be argued that his intentions were good but then again, do intentions justify the action? Who knows?

In any case, I believe in remembering wars. Let us all remember wars and tell the stories to our children and they, to theirs. Let is not allow anyone to forget these wars. No, I do not ask you to remember the heroic/evil actions of a few individuals. I don't ask you to remember who lost and who win. Because in a war, there are no winners. The only loser is life. Life is lost. Blood is shed. Let us remember that, above anything else. Let us relate the word 'war' with horror and tragedy and loss of life. Let those horrors make us think a hundred times before we venture out on war again. In the end, let us remember that as long as we cannot create life, destroying it is a mere sin.

Well, that's odd.

[canadian_tank 226]

It is an interesting concept, wars. It changes human perception in highly twisted ways. Just as an example, I don't approve of murder. However, if I'm told that this soldier killed XYZ enemies in battle, I might, in fact, have respect for him. But, at the basic level, he did the same thing. Well, it can be argued that his intentions were good but then again, do intentions justify the action? Who knows?

In any case, I believe in remembering wars. Let us all remember wars and tell the stories to our children and they, to theirs. Let is not allow anyone to forget these wars. No, I do not ask you to remember the heroic/evil actions of a few individuals. I don't ask you to remember who lost and who win. Because in a war, there are no winners. The only loser is life. Life is lost. Blood is shed. Let us remember that, above anything else. Let us relate the word 'war' with horror and tragedy and loss of life. Let those horrors make us think a hundred times before we venture out on war again. In the end, let us remember that as long as we cannot create life, destroying it is a mere sin.

This is a topic about remembering those who die, not discuss the concept of war

[beaku 2,656]

This is a topic about remembering those who die, not discuss the concept of war

That's exactly what I meant. There's no point in remembering those sacrifices if we don't realise their significance. What's the point of losing all those lives if we commit the same mistakes all over again?

[L.I.I3.3.I2.T.Y 820]

That's exactly what I meant. There's no point in remembering those sacrifices if we don't realise their significance. What's the point of losing all those lives if we commit the same mistakes all over again?

I'd prefer dying in a reasonable war, fighting for my country, for my mother and for my dignity over pegging out in the age of 90 lying in a bed somewhere in mountains.

But sadly, none of those wars ever made sense.

Edited November 4, 2016 by L.I.I3.3.I2.T.Y