Changes in the battle creation system

[Epic_Space_Mango18 592]

Well, meanoldfart, who doesn't want money?

 

The recent updates have managed to get me to spend a grand total of... wait for it... zero dollars. I have spent 50 bucks on this game so far, and those times I had a double crystal card, and was buying equipment on 50% sales (I basically got 4x what I paid for). Think before you complain.

Thats all most players can do, sadly -_-

[OJonnyX 25]

If you have a map mission, the best way to go if you don't have a PRO pass is to check if there's any (non-PRO) battles on that map in the server you're in. None there? Then go to the next server, and check if your map is there. The Battle button will not create a new battle if there are still places available in the current battles. In that case pressing the button will not help you join the map you need.

Ok so you do agree with me. The Battle button wont do anything for you. Yet on the V-Log it acts like it will. I have almost no choices. Here is a list. I have everything open to see everything and I only have 2 battles available. As you can see if this is going to be the way it is from now on, I basically can't play.

 

 

[OJonnyX 25]

Sorry, Tanki - but this is TOTAL horse crap.

 

I like certain maps and have always been able to create them with no problems.  Now I am forced to play whatever garbage map someone may have spun up.  Alternatively, I have the privilege of being forced to buy a pro-battle pass when I don't want to.

 

It is NOT what I paid for when I purchased crystals so I will probably pursue a refund based on fraud through my credit card company.  Can't believe you are forcing this on us.

 

I respectfully request that you change this incredibly greedy move back to the way it was. It is the ultimate in disregard for your customers preferences.  Screw you guys for treating paying customers like this.

 

I am totally stunned by this jack-ass maneuver by the folks running your organization.

Well sometimes things work out in your favor even if you don't like it at first. I transferred 300 dollars to my paypal to spend 100 bucks each in my acct and my 2 sons acct which play tanki. But about a week before someone hacked into my sons acct. Got it banned. I tried to get it unbanned but they said it was a permanent ban and he'll have to start over. I was angry at the hacker, but in the end he saved me 300 bucks.

[SyedAsad 0]

stupid update, need to change as like it was before, worst update

[OJonnyX 25]

I think you better read what I wrote again because some how you took what I said and twisted it really bad. You are also adding things I never said so check yourself before you comment. Read, read and read and let it sink in. Also I personally don't care if people buy crystals but it's the buyers that support this game because without buyers there would be no Tanki Online period. I don't pay for supplies but I have paid to mico upgrade my equipment a bit when the sales are happening and I see no harm in that as you can only upgrade to as high as the rank you are. So with that in mind read my post again and try to understand that I don't think the Pro Pass is necessary and that the options the Pro Pass offers should be free in creating regular battles for all players at no cost.

I re read what you said. I actually agree with virtually everything you said. I only added some things to it. Also when I say you, I wasn't speaking to you since I know you don't actually control tanki, I was talking to tanki developers / programmers. People don't get it. What makes a good battle go bad? when all of the other team leaves. When lots of players leave, makes the the game more boring. Less crystals, less xp.

[Skills.n.Girls 767]

Agree.

[Sl0m0_warri0r 129]

Topic merged

 

You can still enter battles or have a battle created for you automatically when you click the Battle! button and nothing is available. If you want to create one yourself, you need to buy a PRO pass. The pass has been made a lot cheaper for lower ranks, so buying it is very affordable, even if you don't play that much.

 

All discussion of new updates is kept in the news topic. If you want your feedback to be seen by developers - this is the place to have it.

Dude. Just change it the update. If you just didn't make the large battle button (which was unnecessary) or get rid of the create button, you wouldn't of made such a commotion. And you insist that 'It makes new players easier to play'. Find a real reason before me and many more quit Tanki. I had fun playing Tanki and making videos. This was your worst update ever in history. Many people wont want to play this game any more and making money would become much more scarce. Change it.

[Maf 32,300]

Many people wont want to play this game any more and making money would become much more scarce. Change it.

There hasn't been any noticeable decrease in the number of active players after the update, while battles are more exciting than ever - a huge variety of epic maps and all of them fill up fast due to players clicking the Battle! button and getting sent to recently started games. I don't know about you, but I've been wanting to play the game after the update more than ever.

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

There hasn't been any noticeable decrease in the number of active players after the update,

You might want to rethink that

 

 

Instead of going from strength to strength in Tanki's peak month, we're sliding back to summer slump figures.

While there seems to be more players online this month compared to that of the summer, there does seem to be less in battles when compared to the same time. This suggests a decrease in active players to me.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I forgot to post another quick test result. I had a maps specific mission. I went from EN server to EN server. Tehre were like 6 of them with no Basic games at all... oof peak time.  I hit the battle button again and again.  Every map created had a name beginning with A, B, or C. I of course needed a Wolfenstein map.  

 

Anyway the point being, the map creation   seems to go by simple alphabetic order. The top map not curently in play get used.  

 

This is some real unimpressive programming, BTW.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

You might want to rethink that

 

 

 

Instead of going from strength to strength in Tanki's peak month, we're sliding back to summer slump figures.

While there seems to be more players online this month compared to that of the summer, there does seem to be less in battles when compared to the same time. This suggests a decrease in active players to me.

 

Way to early after this BattleButton/CreateButton change to draw any definitive conclusions.  

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Can someone explain me, why there is no connection between the daily mission and the battlr button?

I had today a mission for earning experience in the Iran map today, but all the English servers and almost all the Russian servers didn't have an Iran battle. It took me one hour to find one.

It would be logical, that, when a mission for earning experience on a certain map is assigned, the battle botton would create that battle, if not available,

 

I understand the problem like that:

IF (and only if!) the battle button creates a new map, it is one out of 30 possible maps. The number of maps that are used in the creation of a mission, are 10. So the chance that you enter the right map are 10/30, or 33%. Rather high.

 

But..

...each time you press the battle button, it rather places you in an existing battle with room (and time), instead of creating a new one for you (makes sense.. because else you will end up alone in the map all the time). And if a single players stays in those random battle after it's ended, the battle will prevail and suck in the new players that hit the battle button. So.. the more popular the map was, that they played, the more likely it is that this map will prevail. Same goes for the creation process: if a player is the first one in a map, and by chance he does not like the map, he will leave it again.

 

...So the behaviour of the players (use pro passes a lot these days; non pro players stay in popular maps) + the behaviour of the button (places players into existing maps) leads to the issue, that you will have only a small number of different maps on the servers... and this drops your chances to find "your needed map" by a lot.

 

This is of course more valid in mid..high ranks (where players have prefferences and map knowledge already).

I guess the lower ranks have it far easier. The number of unlocked maps is lower, the hitrate will be better, and overall more non-pro battles are available.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Worries about the cost to very low ranks can be put to rest IMO. Just consider how fast low ranks level up. 

 

Let's say a new account buys a PRO Pass ASAP. After 30 days that account will probably we well into the SGT ranks if not the WO.  That's a lot of income form just rank-up bonuses. And the Pass bought at 650 Cry works for a whole month even though the replacement cost keeps going up and up. So buying early is itself sort of a bargain.

 

i figure the cost is OK wher it is now, but, Tanki should halve it again just to make the change more acceptable.

depends on the play time..

the issue is, that the prices for the ProPass are ok if you play truely a lot per day and focus on a few parts of the garage only. But ProPasses are overpriced if you play 1h a day.

 

I thought, that those beginners usually earn about 20 crystals per battle.. and like to purchase all M0 turrets available and at least 2 more M0 hulls (and that's good, they have to try them). If you now put this into relation, then 500 crystals seem ridicoulously high.

 

For a player that purchases the pass once and then plays 3h a day, and has experience.. he can make 2000 xp per hour which results in 60.000 xp after the month .. it's fine.. <- but he is not the default beginner, he is an Alternative account user. This player profile is not the thing the game should aim for.

Edited December 5, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[Total_SkiIl 1,983]

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This was the topic I was waiting for.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Total_SkiIl

[Sl0m0_warri0r 129]

There hasn't been any noticeable decrease in the number of active players after the update, while battles are more exciting than ever - a huge variety of epic maps and all of them fill up fast due to players clicking the Battle! button and getting sent to recently started games. I don't know about you, but I've been wanting to play the game after the update more than ever.

I have a YouTube channel and I do tanki battles. Since this update I cant find certain maps to do parkour and OMP. I cant get a PRO pass because I am saving up for m1 rail and hornet. Since this update it has only been making me want to give up on it. It has been my favourite game so far because you can do so much. By this update you are literally destroying tanki from the inside. Sure, putting the battle button up has been an okay addition, but getting rid of the create battles button for non-PRO players is just spoiling it. I think tanki producers should've thought this through a lot more because it has been causing a lot problems and they needed to think of all the soon-to-be famous youtubers like me. If they at least made an addition like putting all the maps back in, that would be sufficient enough.

[CooperO 7,956]

Sorry, Tanki - but this is TOTAL horse crap.

 

I like certain maps and have always been able to create them with no problems.  Now I am forced to play whatever garbage map someone may have spun up.  Alternatively, I have the privilege of being forced to buy a pro-battle pass when I don't want to.

 

It is NOT what I paid for when I purchased crystals so I will probably pursue a refund based on fraud through my credit card company.  Can't believe you are forcing this on us.

 

I respectfully request that you change this incredibly greedy move back to the way it was. It is the ultimate in disregard for your customers preferences.  Screw you guys for treating paying customers like this.

 

I am totally stunned by this jack-ass maneuver by the folks running your organization.

It is understandable that you're upset over the update, but you cannot get a refund based on fraud in this case. You payed for crystals and you received crystals, which means you got what you payed for.

 

Ok so you do agree with me. The Battle button wont do anything for you. Yet on the V-Log it acts like it will. I have almost no choices. Here is a list. I have everything open to see everything and I only have 2 battles available. As you can see if this is going to be the way it is from now on, I basically can't play.

I partially agree with you yes. If you are looking for a specific map, the Battle button isn't the most efficient way to get to that map, since the Battle button will randomly assign you to one of the available maps. The Battle button however is useful if you just want to play a CTF game or a TDM game for example, and you don't mind the map at all. If there are no available battles on a server yet (or if all battles are full), clicking the Battle button might be of use for the map mission, but only if it happens to create that map.

Before this update, I usually had to check 4-6 (EN1-2, RU1-4) servers to find the map for my mission, after the update I have to do the same, but with the difference that currently, the maps are usually more filled than before.

[CooperO 7,956]

 

They last a MONTH, people! Why complain about a few crystals that can more than easily be made back within that time? 2,750 for me seems a lot at first, but imagine how many crystals you can get in a month! I got little over 130k in a month and a half that I saved up from hard playing to buy my Voltage kit!

 

Also, you can obviously make custom battles! A lot if you ask me for a few thousand crystals to buy something that lasts a month -_-

 

Plus, pro pass = anti drugger! Just uncheck bonus boxes and supplies!

 

Hate people with full MU equipment? uncheck the upgrades button!

 

Tired of the game stopping when it's unbalanced? Uncheck the timer button!

 

We are getting a lot out of this pro pass thing, but most people can only see the part of having to buy them -_-

 

Of course this kind of thing won't be free!

 

the took away the ability to create a game............. UNLESS YOU PAY WITH MONEY.........
they give you games to play in the daily quota............ but no way to play them
when they are not available...
for example they want you to play in forest but NO forest games available,
and no way to create one to get the daily #%^%&**((((
All they want is MONEY.............. ti is becoming a money game >>>>>>>>> no money no game>>>>>>

Topics merged.

[Tess_Tickle 12]

The benefit - I think -  based on the past week or so.

 

> For most of the time you will be able to find a good game with an ample number of players.

 

> But for those missions or times the Basic games will not do, then you can "roll your own" on the PRO side of things.

 

> In either case low-syllable benefit is this: the chance of finding other players wanting to play the same type of game as you are better now,

 

That is the idea in my opinion. It is not enough yet. But from messages posted here the developers seem to be trying to improve dome shortfalls.

I know you mean well, Willie, and I appreciate your patience in answering my post but I am yet to be convinced.

 

With my new Pro-Pass I create a new game, collect a couple of flags or points whilst waiting for somebody to join me then give up after 5 minutes because I am still on my own.

 

I just checked and there are 4 battles for my Pro-Pass with 17 players total.  None of the battles are ones I would choose if my favourites were there but maybe I would give them a go....maybe not.

 

The other battles, for players presumably who either cannot be bothered to use their Pro-Pass or will not get one, are heavily populated.  Those battles it hardly gives you time to pass wind before having to re-group having been blown up or fight and lose half your life having been the victor and going on to be blown up at the next tank.

 

Before the changes all of my grumps were around the blooming Vulcan being so strong, the Twins having had their teeth removed or those players who spend heavily to get a powerful tank.  At least that last lot moved swiftly on to a higher rank to leave me waddling slowly behind with others of like mind.  Now with the changes I still have those grumps but without the ability to choose to play where I want. 

 

In a nut shell what is the benefit of removing the Create button and introducing the two tier system .......Pro-Pass (little used) or open battle (crowded)?

[GeeVuh 1,647]

Should I buy a PRO on my WO2 and get some Poly CPs in...? .-.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

lose half your life having been the victor and going on to be blown up at the next tank.

A day in a Firebird's life :lol:

[meanoldfart 4]

yes i know how a business works............since i am a meanOLDfart......... wanting money is one thing to pay staff.........  Customer care is actually the most important......... Loose customers = Loose money

[misafeco 713]

depends on the play time..

the issue is, that the prices for the ProPass are ok if you play truely a lot per day and focus on a few parts of the garage only. But ProPasses are overpriced if you play 1h a day.

 

I thought, that those beginners usually earn about 20 crystals per battle.. and like to purchase all M0 turrets available and at least 2 more M0 hulls (and that's good, they have to try them). If you now put this into relation, then 500 crystals seem ridicoulously high.

 

For a player that purchases the pass once and then plays 3h a day, and has experience.. he can make 2000 xp per hour which results in 60.000 xp after the month .. it's fine.. <- but he is not the default beginner, he is an Alternative account user. This player profile is not the thing the game should aim for.

The thing is that it's actually more rewarding if you play less per day. Crystal/XP ratio matters when you buy equipment and it's much higher if you only finish your (crystal) missions every day. I don't think it's a good thing. Tanki should reward those players who play more and their crystal/XP ratio is not that high which means they're disadvantaged. I played more per day compared to most of the tankers so I have less crystals than someone who reach my rank in 6 months or 1 year instead of 2 months. It's not a very smart system if you encourage your players to play less.

 

From a crystal/XP point of view it's still better if you play less even if you must buy the Pro Pass.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

Yes, but with the PRO pass you have to have gold-off, supplies-off, drugs-off, Polygon CP 60-min and 200 CP limit. :D

[PoRRuT4icK 39]

After a few days with this update there are some interesting results.

 

Basic battles indeed become almost always full of players at any map there is. Though, the number of maps itself become much more limited. With less maps in the list comes problem of doing map-based daily mission properly. Variety of maps being created are around of 30 and daily mission comes only with around 10 of them.

 

Making daily missions be passable only via pro-pass is unintended, though there will be changes planned as we look closer at data during this weekend. There should be a way of achieving more maps in the list as well as keeping achieved variety.

Just to clarify, for whom these results are of interest?

 

[LGoudriaan 0]

i really would like too see the "create battle" button returned....

[DrSaint 176]

As i said, 4 days ago ...
 

 

As i already said few time ...

When you are the SELLER<--- (tankionline™) and when you have finished the due commerce process of selling, seller<--- (tankionline™) don't have the right to tweak already sold products, which is in buyers<--- (Paying party<--- Players) hands (most of the players paid real money to buy these turrets<--- (product) with their performance-features, which existed at the moment of acquisition) !

But hey, who am I to argue with this "old-******* -mentality*" of "I-do-whatever-I-want-as-long-as-no-one-can-punish-me" !

*No hidden meanings, the colors meant exactly what it is---> revised version of rainbow colors ---> (REDORANGEYELLOWGREENBLUEINDIGOVIOLET)!

Let's hope, someone in EU or US will not take these immature people to law-enforcement agencies ! ;)

If someone have enough time ...

 

It is understandable that you're upset over the update, but you cannot get a refund based on fraud in this case. You payed for crystals and you received crystals, which means you got what you payed for.

 ...

Huh, i heard this for years now. For many who have spent real money on Tanki items, this is relevant.

Few of the Major questions in a court of law would be:

1) "Why one would want to buy crystals"?
2) "Who sold those crystals"?
3) "On what purpose"?
4) "Is there a real connection between sold crystals and the game of Tanki"?
5) "Did Tankionline™ encouraged players to buy crystals from Tankionline™ so the players later could buy another product from Tankionline™ using these crystals"?

If someone really wants to ... they can drag Tankionline™ through a long and expensive process in EU judicial system!

Good luck! ;)