Changes in the battle creation system

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

The clan system is already on the test servers, it kind of reminds me of WoT's clan system. :P

 

Unfortunately the current version is all in Russian so I have no idea of how to work it.

[Massacre-the-killer 0]

Don't anyone thinks that it's stupid for the game developers to take away the create options???Pro pass is quite expensive and hard for low and medium rankers to earn that amount of crystals.And if u dont have crystals or real money then you are finished.My friend whom i invited to the game wants to leave because of this reason.This takes us to harder battles making the game more tougher for us rather than challenging.PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring the CREATE option back.

[OJonnyX 25]

Good idea. But maybe only one button is needed since Regular battles are always on top and there is no need to scroll down to see them. The button could be named PRO and normally be OFF, but if you turn it ON it will remove the Regular battles from showing for you.

 

I suggested other buttons previously, for: day/night/winter, large/medium/small (maps), full/half (for the number of players, if they could give us that option).

 

Or just bring back the Create button, even with fewer options would be good. Or how about giving players 3 Create Passes per day to create 3 battles.

anything would be better than they got now. I have a deathmatch mission I can't complete. thanks tanki. I shouldn't have to buy or spend crystals to be able to do my missions. nice work. It takes longer to do your missions now. In the tech field, slow computers aren't ideal. They get thrown away. Who likes slowness? your users? certainly not. making missions take longer makes people not enjoy the game as much.

[Massacre-the-killer 0]

Taking away the create option is really the stupidest idea ever.Its forces us to go to other tougher battle where people with high rank better weapon gets mixed with lower rank bad weapons.My friend whom i invited to the game wants to leave just because of this system.Pro pass is expensive and makes the game harder for low and medium rankers rather than challenging.If tanki online is smart enough then they should bring the create option back.

[Maf 32,300]

 

Topic merged

[ghost-guns 1,486]

 I think ... I know some of the increased drugging in standard battles is from players trying to finish in 1st place.(missions) It's easier now to win a battle straight up than it is to pick through the servers looking for the ol' lopsided game about to end. And that 1st place mission seems to pop up just about every day now, for most if not all my accounts.  Now that the map missions are gone...

 

This ids just a small thought I wanted to toss out into the forum before I forgot.

Just create an island battle with a limit of 1 flag.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I have fewer crystals available for equipment than I did before this upgrade. If I wanted to have the same crystals available, I would have to spend real money to supplement them. But this argument has been well rehearsed already.

 

 

Well, I have more Cry under the new system, so your drop in income is not due to the system.  And the difference between earning 100,000CR in a month and earning 97,000 Cr in a month simply does not force anyone to spend real money ... that is for players so inept they cannot find a way to re-earn those 3,000 Cr.

 

Good players can adapt poor players cannot. [shrug]

Edited December 21, 2016 by LittleWillie

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Just create an island battle with a limit of 1 flag.

How does a player without a Pro Pass do that? They do not. Most players do not even now. So this majority of players must attempt to win 1st place in a Standard battle. While doing so they use more drugs than they might otherwise.  That is the thought I wished to communicate. I offer it as food for thought. I'm not saying this is hard fact ... just an interesting possibility to consider.

Edited December 21, 2016 by LittleWillie

[wolverine848 13,097]

How does a player without a Pro Pass do that? They do not. Most players do not even now. So this majority of players must attempt to win 1st place in a Standard battle. While doing so they use more drugs than they might otherwise.  That is the thought I wished to communicate. I offer it as food for thought. I'm not saying this is hard fact ... just an interesting possibility to consider.

 

(As an aside I never create 1:1 battle just to win a mission. 16 minutes of boredom is not worth it. But now that games can be set to shorter time mimits or capture limits maybe I will.)

I sometimes join a team being slaughtered (one of rare times I will do so). Often with isida - won't get many kills but - gains experience (score) quickly.

I won't get many crystals from the battle, but I have a good chance of completing my mission.

[ghost-guns 1,486]

How does a player without a Pro Pass do that? They do not. Most players do not even now. So this majority of players must attempt to win 1st place in a Standard battle. While doing so they use more drugs than they might otherwise.  That is the thought I wished to communicate. I offer it as food for thought. I'm not saying this is hard fact ... just an interesting possibility to consider.

 

(As an aside I never create 1:1 battle just to win a mission. 16 minutes of boredom is not worth it. But now that games can be set to shorter time mimits or capture limits maybe I will.)

 

Lets see...

 

A pro pass cost me 4000 crystals and I have earnt 10000 already in three days...

 

Creating a 1v1 battle on island means I can finish the 1st place mission in a matter of seconds.

 

You gotta learn to play the system.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I sometimes join a team being slaughtered (one of rare times I will do so). Often with isida - won't get many kills but - gains experience (score) quickly.

I won't get many crystals from the battle, but I have a good chance of completing my mission.

Yep. It is the one time when it pays to join a poorly-performing team. :)

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Lets see...

 

A pro pass cost me 4000 crystals and I have earnt 10000 already in three days...

 

Creating a 1v1 battle on island means I can finish the 1st place mission in a matter of seconds.

 

You gotta learn to play the system.

I agree with that tactic. I am one of the people here who have supported trying the new battle creation/Pro Pass system.

 

However what players can or should do is not what I am talking about right now. 

 

What I m talking about right now is the fact that most players do not have the Pro Pass. Also the finish 1st mission seems to come up a lot more often for me now that the map missions are removed. Combine the two and there are more players who are trying to finish mission in standard battles by ... I know this is hard to believe but her me out ... buy actually finishing in first place in a legitimate battle. And in pursuit of this goal, these player might conclude that it's a good strategic use of their supplies.

 

I know this is in fact happening on at least a tiny scale because this is what I do with my accounts that do not have a Pro Pass.

 

You see in order to evaluate the new Pro Pass system I have accounts with one and without one. I am comparing the experiences.

Edited December 21, 2016 by LittleWillie

[dan146_tanker 770]

This update has nothing to do with pay2win. If you want evidence of Pay2Win, look at supplies. This battle system has NOTHING to do with supplies and in fact makes PRO battles cheaper.

 

​Every update has something to do with Pay2Win.

​With this update now to make a battle you need more crystals. And yes, it might be 3.5k but its still to much considering how much Tanki actually pays us.

​Daily missions sometimes feel like gambling. You have 3 missions you have all supplies rewards. You have once chance to pick the right mission to change. If your lucky you get crystals mission. Which gives you 1k crystals after you get 1k XP on a rare map. If not then just join battles. Without a pro pass though, 100-200 crystals is the only amount your getting. And only if your near the top of the score board with a winning team.

Do you really think Tanki would make updates that don't give them money in some sort? Maybe when everything in the world was free but till then NO!

Tanki is using ''marketing'' to persuade (not gonna use the word force) us to buy Pro pass. Now if we buy the Pro pass what happens after? Do we get any weapons after that? Do we just fight in battles that are exactly the same apart from the time limits. The buyers will almost defenatly  have Pro passes, and we both know how hard it is to find a battle with no supplies. Tanki is just encouraging buyers to buy more and encouraging supplies to be used more.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

^

But...crystals aren't that same as real money....trust me, would you rather drugs be completely removed from the game, or give players back the ability to make battles without PRO pass?

 

:mellow:

 

I thought so.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

​Every update has something to do with Pay2Win.

​With this update now to make a battle you need more crystals. And yes, it might be 3.5k but its still to much considering how much Tanki actually pays us.

​Daily missions sometimes feel like gambling. You have 3 missions you have all supplies rewards. You have once chance to pick the right mission to change. If your lucky you get crystals mission. Which gives you 1k crystals after you get 1k XP on a rare map. If not then just join battles. Without a pro pass though, 100-200 crystals is the only amount your getting. And only if your near the top of the score board with a winning team.

 

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Dan, you act like it is unethical for Tanki to make money. How do you expect this game to exist without income?

 

Your claim that a player has to pay real money to play is simply untrue. It is not correct. In is contra-factual. It is not a matter of opinion, it is demonstrably untrue. I began Tanki end of July start of August. My accounts:

 

LtCol M2 Vik 18/50 m2 Smoky 17/50 two m2 protection modules 3/10 ~135,000 Cr

 

2LT Titan m1 31/50 m1 Smoky 23/50 m1 protec mod 3/10 ~ 185,000 Cr

 

3LT Hornet m2 9/50 Isida m2 8/50 m2 prot mod 1/10 ~ 95,000 Cr

 

WO5 Wasp m1 24/50 Vulcan m1 17/50 ~ 3 m0 Prot mods 1/10 ~115,000 Cr

 

The 2LT already has the CR (with promotion bonus) to buy its m2 kit at CAPT

 

The WO5 already has the CR to buy the m2 Vulcan at 2LT. It has about 30k extra to apply to an m2 hull w/o counting the promotion bonuses.

 

The other two accounts just bought m2 kits shortly after halloween but they are already well ahead of the pace needed to buy their m3 kits.

 

I spent a little money on the LtCol account to get 17 days of premium passes and 20,000 Cr. And that pretty much just makes up for the CR I wasted buying and MUing a LOT of m0 gear while I was learning. The WO5 also spent a lot of Cr that was as he was my "test stuff out" account until Halloween week.

 

Drugs? the LtCol has over 300 RK and over 400 of the others, has had over 500 of some at times The other accounts have between 100 to over 200 RK and over 200 to over 300 of the other types - near or over 400 at times on the Isida account.

 

Aside from that everything was earned from free-play. But I am long-accustomed to long-term plannng and patience.

Edited December 21, 2016 by LittleWillie

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

What I m talking about right now is the fact that most players do not have the Pro Pass. Also the finish 1st mission seems to come up a lot more often for me now that the map missions are removed. Combine the two and there are more players who are trying to finish mission in standard battles by ... I know this is hard to believe but hear me out ... buy actually finishing in first place in a legitimate battle. 

It's no problem for me to finish in first in standard battles....which is why I don't like it when a drugger joins on my team, or somebody like you with the OP NoobSmoke :ph34r:

 

Anyway, those "first place' missions pay out well. If you buy a PRO pass and complete every one you get, you'll more than make back your loss, trebled over.

[slycleaversmart 1,154]

Literally the worst update... now i cant play with my low friends ;(

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Literally the worst update... now i cant play with my low friends ;(

if you're gismo your friends aren't that "low" and they should be able to afford the PRO pass as well as you. :)

[LittleWillie 3,199]

It's no problem for me to finish in first in standard battles....which is why I don't like it when a drugger joins on my team, or somebody like you with the OP NoobSmoke :ph34r:

 

Anyway, those "first place' missions pay out well. If you buy a PRO pass and complete every one you get, you'll more than make back your loss, trebled over.

I'm just suggesting that over the hundreds of thousands of active accounts in use some of them are drugging more than they did before because of this 1st place thing. I know I am willing to burn a few more in order to cinch a 1st place mission.

 

Yes they are valuable and yes the Pro Pass lets you finish those missions easier and that can justify the Pass right htere. But for people w/o the pass the same logic applies to drugging. ;)

[GeeVuh 1,647]

I'm just suggesting that over the hundreds of thousands of active accounts in use some of them are drugging more than they did before because of this 1st place thing. I know I am willing to burn a few more in order to cinch a 1st place mission.

 

Yes they are valuable and yes the Pro Pass lets you finish those missions easier and that can justify the Pass right htere. But for people w/o the pass the same logic applies to drugging. ;)

Congo on rank.

 

 

 

There's literally no reason to not buy the PP... I managed to double my crystal income. And I've still got 15 days on @NotANewb

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Congo on rank.

 

 

 

There's literally no reason to not buy the PP... I managed to double my crystal income. And I've still got 15 days on @NotANewb

 

I agree ... especially for people who want to do the Poly CP stuff or other tankgrinder games... those are all on Pro and more than make up for the cost.

 

I am splitting my accounts pass / no pass so as to get the experience both ways.  I also am guessing the Pro pass will be on sale over Christmas which would be a major oversight if it wasn't. If so I'll get passes for all accounts.

Edited December 22, 2016 by LittleWillie

[cube3e 1,973]

^Nice nick ._.

Edited December 22, 2016 by cube3e

[GeeVuh 1,647]

^Nice nick ._.

@NotANewb or @LittleWillie?

 

 

I agree ... especially for people who want to do the Poly CP stuff or other tankgrinder games... those are all on Pro and more than make up for the cost.

 

I am splitting my accounts pass / no pass so as to get the experience both ways.  I also am guessing the Pro pass will be on sale over Christmas which would be a major oversight if it wasn't. If so I'll get passes for all accounts.

PPs usually aren't on sales, neither are gifts - special items usually don't go on sale

Edited December 22, 2016 by GeeVuh

[LittleWillie 3,199]

^Nice nick ._.

Do you get the reference?! You'd be the first. :)

 

@NotANewb or @LittleWillie?

 

 

PPs usually aren't on sales, neither are gifts - special items usually don't go on sale

Ahh... well it just seems to me ot be a smart move since they are changing the system ... put the Pro Pass on sale to get ppl to try the system.  Well we will soon know .,.. I am assuming what do i know about tanki Christmas? 

[ByeByeBye 1,747]

Increase pause time to 3 minutes

 

Everyone needs to pee...especially in those 999 minute battles...or maybe Tanki could start marketing "Official Tanki Pee Pans" that you could keep conveniently by your computer.   :)

 

5 minutes may have been too long, but 2 minutes is too short.