Changes in the battle creation system

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Why is there not any Noise or Wave battles anymore?

I don't know about Wave, it isn't a common map in the first place.

 

For Noise, there are still some, you're probably just not used to the absence of 7-8 Noise battles flooding the battle list....and killing the enjoyment of the game as well...

Edited December 11, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[r_carlo1234 118]

The change was made do that there would be fewer non-Pro battles at any given time, but that each battle would have a healthy amount of players.

 

It has succeeded.

I know that, they are in a way forcing/encouraging people to play PRO battles. My question is why they want more players playing PRO battles?

 

You say the change was a success in doing that. I just checked EN 4 with my WO2 account, there are 32 battles in total, from that 13 are PRO, from that 5 are Parkour, and the remaining 8 have a very low number of players. I can count 14 players spread in the 8 PRO battles that are not Parkour.

 

I would say it is not working.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

I know that, they are in a way forcing/encouraging people to play PRO battles. My question is why they want more players playing PRO battles?

 

You say the change was a success in doing that. I just checked EN 4 with my WO2 account, there are 32 battles in total, from that 13 are PRO, from that 5 are Parkour, and the remaining 8 have a very low number of players. I can count 14 players spread in the 8 PRO battles that are not Parkour.

 

I would say it is not working.

I said the point was to ensure STANDARD battles were well-populated. I did not say that twas the intent for PRO battles. 

[OJonnyX 25]

 

Then buy a Pro Pass and play both in the Pro section and in the standard section.

 

I see no issue.

You see no issue because you don't grasp what was said. Buying a pro pass and making a battle, only others who have buy can join. I'm paying and yet being cut off from the free players.

 

 

I know that, they are in a way forcing/encouraging people to play PRO battles. My question is why they want more players playing PRO battles?

 

You say the change was a success in doing that. I just checked EN 4 with my WO2 account, there are 32 battles in total, from that 13 are PRO, from that 5 are Parkour, and the remaining 8 have a very low number of players. I can count 14 players spread in the 8 PRO battles that are not Parkour.

 

I would say it is not working.

This would be there at their highest peak. As soon as these pro pass users use up there passes I'm thinking more and more won't buy it constantly. And yes I've seen especially at the lower levels the pro pass hardly have any players. As time goes on I think it will spread to the upper levels as well and eventually a drop in users all together.

 

 

yes, on empty maps, then join with one of their other accounts. I'm not accusing you of doing that or even saying it's wrong, but it IS a loophole.

So if 2 people buy a pro pass they can't do that as well? lol such logic. I've heard people say these things. They make you buy pro pass to cut these things out? Only thing they cut out is making the pool of players smaller. Which in my estimation makes the game not near as good. Oh and harder to complete missions. I need the do a capture point, yet there isn't one available. Will they cut those missions out as well, since they cut out the mission maps one because it was impossible for free players to complete. Just go back to the way it was. Make everyone happy. Those that think pro pass worth it can still buy, those that don't will also be happy.

[r_carlo1234 118]

I said the point was to ensure STANDARD battles were well-populated. I did not say that twas the intent for PRO battles.

Okay. Apologies. :(

[r_carlo1234 118]

This would be there at their highest peak. As soon as these pro pass users use up there passes I'm thinking more and more won't buy it constantly. And yes I've seen especially at the lower levels the pro pass hardly have any players. As time goes on I think it will spread to the upper levels as well and eventually a drop in users all together.

They might lower the PRO Passes prices and then it might work.

 

Personally I would like PRO Passes that gives hours of play instead of play all you want for 30 days. That's because I have three accounts and I don't play a lot. Mostly missions.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

They might lower the PRO Passes prices and then it might work.

 

Personally I would like PRO Passes that gives hours of play instead of play all you want for 30 days. That's because I have three accounts and I don't play a lot. Mostly missions.

But they DID lower the pro passes prices. Are you blind? Have you not even played the game since then?

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

look at this rank. A Pro pass might cost him as much as an average M0 turret.

That is like they would charge your rank 30.000..90.000 crystals for a pro pass.

 

The prices for lower ranks are still too high

Edited December 12, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

look at this rank. A Pro pass might cost him as much as an average M0 turret.

That is like they would charge your rank 30.000..90.000 crystals for a pro pass.

 

The prices for lower ranks are still too high

30-90k is way too high of a comparison since funds are only about twice as big between our ranks, m0 turrets are ridiculously easy to afford at that rank only taking about 2 days to buy.

[r_carlo1234 118]

But they DID lower the pro passes prices. Are you blind? Have you not even played the game since then?

I meant lower it more. I think it's only a matter of finding the right price now.

 

Another thing that may be causing some people not buy PRO Passes is when you click a PRO Battle you see a button that says something like 'Buy a PRO Pass'. Because of that maybe some think the PRO Pass costs real money.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

30-90k is way too high of a comparison since funds are only about twice as big between our ranks, m0 turrets are ridiculously easy to afford at that rank only taking about 2 days to buy.

you are right, he is in the M1 ranks already.. while my example showed a price comparrism for M0 tankers.

So let me get this better:

 

• At his rank are Isida M1 and Shaft M1, which cost around 18.000. The pro pass costs him 1.850, which is about 10% of a turret.
• At your rank you can buy an Railgun M2 or Ricochet M2, that costs around 90.000. If you would have to pay 10% of that turrets price too, the pro pass would cost you 9.000.

 

9.000 are maybe just 3 days of gameplay for you (1k/hour, 3h a day, 3 days in total). But would you go for 9k for a pro pass, when you realise that this is almost 10% of your turrets price?

People have targets in this game (saving up for their beloved turret), so they think of how much they have to save up. Then they compare that amount of "should save this" to the pro pass price.. and given that the pro pass prices are too high for lower ranks.

 

In M3 ranks the pro pass cost only 2% of a M3 turret. The amount of players which own one, are tremendous.

Edited December 12, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_carlo1234 118]

you are right, he is in the M1 ranks already.. while my example showed a price comparrism for M0 tankers.

So let me get this better:

 

• At his rank are Isida M1 and Shaft M1, which cost around 18.000. The pro pass costs him 1.850, which is about 10% of a turret.
• At your rank you can buy an Railgun M2 or Ricochet M2, that costs around 90.000. If you would have to pay 10% of that turrets price too, the pro pass would cost you 9.000.

9.000 are maybe just 3 days of gameplay for you (1k/hour, 3h a day, 3 days in total). But would you go for 9k for a pro pass, when you realise that this is almost 10% of your turrets price?

People have targets in this game (saving up for their beloved turret), so they think of how much they have to save up. Then they compare that amount of "should save this" to the pro pass price.. and given that the pro pass prices are too high for lower ranks.

 

In M3 ranks the pro pass cost only 2% of a M3 turret. The amount of players which own one, are tremendous.

That's a good approach of looking at this issue.

 

Although this account is only for practice and the forum, I saved around 25k so far. I don't have a single M1 here because I'm saving all for a good M1 kit or to buy equipment individually when the specials come up.

 

And since I still don't know what I'm gonna get, I also don't know if I have enough or not. So I better keep saving every Crystal I can. I feel the same for my other accounts. (WO2, WO3, WO5)

Edited December 12, 2016 by r_carlo1234

[misafeco 713]

They might lower the PRO Passes prices and then it might work.

 

Personally I would like PRO Passes that gives hours of play instead of play all you want for 30 days. That's because I have three accounts and I don't play a lot. Mostly missions.

If you only play missions your crystal/XP ratio will be way higher than players who play a lot. Which means you can afford things that they can't at a specific rank (full MU, more than 1 turret/hull, various protection modules). If the Pro Pass gives hours this difference will be even bigger. Not a good idea.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

So if 2 people buy a pro pass they can't do that as well? lol such logic. I've heard people say these things. They make you buy pro pass to cut these things out? Only thing they cut out is making the pool of players smaller. Which in my estimation makes the game not near as good. Oh and harder to complete missions. I need the do a capture point, yet there isn't one available. Will they cut those missions out as well, since they cut out the mission maps one because it was impossible for free players to complete. Just go back to the way it was. Make everyone happy. Those that think pro pass worth it can still buy, those that don't will also be happy.

How many times do I have to say this? There are MORE CP games and MORE DM games after the update. It is EASIER to complete a mission for one of those modes.  And, the players in each battle fill up more quickly and are more active.  It is EASIER to play a full game on a less-known map.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

 

 

You see no issue because you don't grasp what was said. Buying a pro pass and making a battle, only others who have buy can join. I'm paying and yet being cut off from the free players.

Buying a Pro Pass does not cost ANY money. You are separated from no one. Owners of a Pass can play on Standard battles too.

 

Try the system. Maybe it will work for you.

 

 

 

 

 

Okay. Apologies. :(

 

Very cool my friend. Thanks for re-reading. It;s so much easier to discuss complicted issues in person than on these forums.

 

 

 

They might lower the PRO Passes prices and then it might work.

 

Personally I would like PRO Passes that gives hours of play instead of play all you want for 30 days. That's because I have three accounts and I don't play a lot. Mostly missions.

I too think the cost should be cut a bit more. I don't think this is a perfect system but it's brobably the most realistic compromise. So if that drains a couple percent of my income OK let's give it a go.

 

That is a very nice idea regarding play-hours instead of days. That's good feedback for the company.

 

I too have a few accounts and play mostly my missions. I am willing to buy a Pass for each account if it makes sense. But maybe I won't.

 

The benefit to me is I can always find a decent game now and they are on a greater variety of maps. That is w/o the Pro Pass.

 

 

 

I meant lower it more. I think it's only a matter of finding the right price now.

 

Another thing that may be causing some people not buy PRO Passes is when you click a PRO Battle you see a button that says something like 'Buy a PRO Pass'. Because of that maybe some think the PRO Pass costs real money.

OMG!

 

I thnk you have explained all this free player / cost money misunderstanding we're hearing! Code Blue Tanki; fix this!

[GeeVuh 1,647]

I meant lower it more. I think it's only a matter of finding the right price now.

 

Another thing that may be causing some people not buy PRO Passes is when you click a PRO Battle you see a button that says something like 'Buy a PRO Pass'. Because of that maybe some think the PRO Pass costs real money.

Okay, stick me in a bin and cover me with tar, then put feathers on me... that was so obvious!

[wolverine848 13,097]

This argument falls a bit flat. By this logic Tanki administration gets a 'pass' on just about anything that slightly reduces your Crystal income. 1%? 2%? 5%. "Oh, don't worry - you'll make that up in battles."

 

BTW no supplies battles always have lower funds than their drug-enabled counterparts. Tanks don't die as fast.

Not necessarily.

 

With drugs a DA basically cancels a DD. Plus they can use a RK which...... prevents death. = less kills.

 

No supplies similar to above except.... no RK.  Means tank destroyed sooner.

[Dab1810 5]

This would undermine the purpose of the Battle button and lead to incessant begging from standard players to Pro players to create battles for them.

 

Thus Tanki will not implement this patch.

i think that the person u are quoting is right. tankers will not start begging for the battles they want because they will probably be able to find battles they want that they can already join. if they dont find what they want, maybe they will start begging, but most likely they will start pressing the battle button. that should be the reason

[Dab1810 5]

I too think the cost should be cut a bit more. I don't think this is a perfect system but it's brobably the most realistic compromise. So if that drains a couple percent of my income OK let's give it a go.

 

That is a very nice idea regarding play-hours instead of days. That's good feedback for the company.

 

I too have a few accounts and play mostly my missions. I am willing to buy a Pass for each account if it makes sense.  But maybe I won't. 

 

The benefit to me is I can always find a  decent game now and they are on a greater variety of maps. That is w/o the Pro Pass.

maybe thats because u are finding maps that the battle button is creating. personally, i think that pro pass holders should be able to make regular battles, that way they can play with friends who do not have pro pass or cannot buy one because of low crystals (like below 1,000).

[Dab1810 5]

How many times do I have to say this? There are MORE CP games and MORE DM games after the update. It is EASIER to complete a mission for one of those modes.  And, the players in each battle fill up more quickly and are more active.  It is EASIER to play a full game on a less-known map.

i think that people will rather play other battles than CP and DM. i think the most popular mode is CTF. so y not make more of those to? i might stop playing just because i can't 1. play with friends who dont have pro pass. 2. cant make battles unless i "waste" my crystals. and 3. i have to press the battle button or select regular battle (which there aren't so many of now) if i am saving up for something and cant buy pass cause i am saving

[Dab1810 5]

You are right about payouts in no-drug battles. But no one is forced to play those are they?

 

Now apply that exact same concept in reverse. 

 

* Poly CP Noise and their ilk are overplayed because tanks die over and over and the Cr piles up.

* Owners of a Pro Pass can play in these higth-p[ayout games.

* Non-owners cannot

 

* CONCLUSION: Owners of a Pro Pass will have more Cr at the end of the month than non-owners will. If you refuse to by a Pass based on cost you are not very smart.

 

("You" used generically; not toward any individual.)

i disagree with this. if people buy pro passes, while they might be able to get more crystals than non-pass holders, if they cant join anything but regular battles because all the battles they join they cant get any kills, than they will end up haveing less crystals than all the non-pass holders

Edited December 12, 2016 by Dab1810

[misafeco 713]

i think that people will rather play other battles than CP and DM. i think the most popular mode is CTF. so y not make more of those to? i might stop playing just because i can't 1. play with friends who dont have pro pass. 2. cant make battles unless i "waste" my crystals. and 3. i have to press the battle button or select regular battle (which there aren't so many of now) if i am saving up for something and cant buy pass cause i am saving

You can play with friends who don't have Pro Pass. There are regular battles you know.

 

Also you bought more M1 hulls and turrets. Of course you don't have crystals if you're a free player. I only bought 1 M1 hull and 1 M1 turret (in kit to reduce the price). I have 200k crystals now. If you play smarter you can buy the Pro Pass easily.

 

 

 

I too think the cost should be cut a bit more. I don't think this is a perfect system but it's brobably the most realistic compromise. So if that drains a couple percent of my income OK let's give it a go.

 

That is a very nice idea regarding play-hours instead of days. That's good feedback for the company.

 

I too have a few accounts and play mostly my missions. I am willing to buy a Pass for each account if it makes sense.  But maybe I won't. 

 

The benefit to me is I can always find a  decent game now and they are on a greater variety of maps. That is w/o the Pro Pass.

It's a very bad idea actually.

[misafeco 713]

i disagree with this. if people buy pro passes, while they might be able to get more crystals than non-pass holders, if they cant join anything but regular battles because all the battles they join they cant get any kills, than they will end up have less crystals than all the non-pass holders

What? This post doesn't make any sense.

[Dab1810 5]

I tend to play in non-peak hours and it has gotten difficult to find a decent battle since the implementation of the Pro Pass situation.  The pool of players at any given time is now divided into different parts...regular players and pro players with the later creating battles with even more stratification; 999 minutes/10minutes, drugs/no drugs, etc.  The result of all this is that it is much more difficult to play on a map you like even when holding a Pro Pass.

 

One patch that might help this situation and might even motivate more players to invest in Pro Passes would be to allow Pro Pass holders the ability to create all the different types of Pro Battles AND allow then to create REGULAR battles also.  If there were too few pro players on a server the Pro Pass holder could create a normal 15 minutes standard default battle on any map he wished allowing both pro and non pro players to join.

 

This would keep the Pro Pass exclusive and give the Pro Pass holder an additional bit of status (probably not exactly the right word).  

if u cant find a battle u like, create a battle u like. than people who also like to play those same battles will probably join ur battle, and than u will be able to do 1. missions, and 2. make other tankers happy to see a battle that they like to play

[Dab1810 5]

What? This post doesn't make any sense.

if people with pro passes can only join battles where everyone else has, say, m2s, and he only has m1s or m0s, than he wont be able to get many kills and therefore he will probably want to join either standard battles of parkour battles. and btw, he cant rank on parkour battles so he might get kinda mad