Update 428 — Parameter tweaks and more

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

Because more people use a certain piece of equipment doesn't mean it's stronger than the others.

I think Blackwasp had a quote from the powers that be... something to the effect that by "balance" they actually mean "balance in terms of equipment used." They want an even split of all the equipment.  

 

I know... it makes no sense.  Forcing items on people by changing what they already have is... flawed.

[ByeByeBye 1,747]

I just played with my M1 Vulcan and I don't notice much difference...a bit less punchy but still a deadly turret.  Nothing like what happened to my previous favorite, Twins...pop...pop...pop...pop....pop...pop...slow...slow...slow.  It's nice to see Isida get a buff since it is an integral turret.

 

In the future, Tanki Developers and Admin, I would like to make a suggestion:  Why not buff the under powered turrets and hulls instead of nerfing over powered units.  Humans tend to prefer to be given something rather than something being taken away.  The end result could be exactly the same as the last nerf-fest and the gnashing ot teeth would be significantly less.

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

 

In the future, Tanki Developers and Admin, I would like to make a suggestion:  Why not buff the under powered turrets and hulls instead of nerfing over powered units.  Humans tend to prefer to be given something rather than something being taken away.  

And buff the hulls so that TTK remains the same.  As you perfectly said, people like buffs more than nerfs.

 

+1. Perfect. :)

Edited December 1, 2016 by r_I_already_won0

[DrSaint 176]

Tanki doesn't check everyones garage before making changes. This nerf was necessary. I used to kill M4 combinations with my Stock M3 vulcan, so it was definately unbalanced. This hasn't be released yet so don't jump to conclusions already. Wait till tomorrow and then we'll see ;)

 

Dude, politely speaking, you are deliberately misleading players here!

 

 

How many "rebalances" were made since the beginning? When will this game reach "perfect balance"?

This comment reminds me of this FOX who tried to help those two bear cubs ... Moral of the story is irrelevant to current situation here, though tankionline™ definitely comes to picture as the dirty old fox! Here is the story

[fordmustang12345 3,910]

........... Aaaaaaaaannndddd firebird got nerfed. So did Vulcan........

[Cyborg 3,189]

Dude, politely speaking, you are deliberately misleading players here!

I don't see how I am doing so, if you do, please let me know ;)

 

For the vulcan part, I used it today myself, and it is NOT as bad as everyone was thinking.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Cyborg

[beaku 2,656]

In the future, Tanki Developers and Admin, I would like to make a suggestion: Why not buff the under powered turrets and hulls instead of nerfing over powered units. Humans tend to prefer to be given something rather than something being taken away. The end result could be exactly the same as the last nerf-fest and the gnashing ot teeth would be significantly less.

Well, not exactly. You see, you also have to keep the physics in mind. If you keep buffing stuff to maintain balance, eventually the whole gameplay will become faster and faster. Mammoths as fast as wasp and wasp flying around... :p.. (Just an exaggeration, but I hope you get my point).

[Liamesh 0]

ok

This OK. More rails, thunders and others some wants in the game... SAD. Better no update than this. I call it football in one (users) gate, not rebalance. Shame on you.

Edited December 1, 2016 by CooperO
Please avoid using inappropriate language.

[Bydo 20,121]

I don't see how I am doing so, if you do, please let me know ;)

 

For the vulcan part, I used it today myself, and it is NOT as bad as everyone was thinking.

for me using Ricochet I'm finding it more easier to kill a Vulcan after this update which i like more.. due to in the past it took me one plus half of a life to kill one now i can kill it in less life time used .. Insida is way better in battle now and freeze and fire will the same too me...

[yonatanthesuper 314]

the way the turrets way works is:fire strongest,twins best vulcan second strongest so tanki developers think that reducing fire and vulcan damage will make everything fair they didn't think about all the advantages all other turrets will have now over fire and vulcan.

fire vs rail fire dies vs shaft fire will fly out of map.vs thunder even with the slefing of thunder it will destroy fire.fire is short ranged weapon it needs to have splash and be strong but now there won't be point using it

[a5mp 51]

Am I the only one who is glad that Firebird lost a little power? It's still too powerful in my opinion...

[Liamesh 0]

Dude, politely speaking, you are deliberately misleading players here!

 

This comment reminds me of this FOX who tried to help those two bear cubs ... Moral of the story is irrelevant to current situation here, though tankionline™ definitely comes to picture as the dirty old fox! Here is the story

Agree. Dirty old fox. We payed for M2s, not for M1s, for M3 not for M2s. Economic crisis came to Tanki TOo.

[misafeco 713]

Vulcan damage is even worse when you consider the change in overheating time. It's actually -25% damage before overheating. If you find the turret OP then nerf it by 5-10%, it'll already effect gameplay but not that drastic. Then if you find Vulcan still OP, you can nerf it again.

 

I didn't buy Vulcan because it was OP, I bought it because it looks cool and fits my playstyle. I like keeping the enemy under fire, I like defending the flag/defending a point, I like fighting enemies midrange, etc. People like it because it's different and unique.

[misafeco 713]

This comment reminds me of this FOX who tried to help those two bear cubs ... Moral of the story is irrelevant to current situation here, though tankionline™ definitely comes to picture as the dirty old fox! Here is the story

Man, you're a genius. Perfect metaphor.

[Liamesh 0]

I think Blackwasp had a quote from the powers that be... something to the effect that by "balance" they actually mean "balance in terms of equipment used." They want an even split of all the equipment.  

 

I know... it makes no sense.  Forcing items on people by changing what they already have is... flawed.

10 points for your comment. Agree 100%. Thanks. And indeed, the CybMonday was a fiasco, so doing more 'smart' rebalances.  

[T.O.R_Klau 67]

Nerf everything and make it so that all weapons do the same damage.

My m4 isida hornet with x2 damage gets destroyed by a m2.5 twins titan.with x2 damage.

Edited December 1, 2016 by T.O.R_Klau

[monstermaniac 2]

..... Ok i have to admit i didnt think freezes 'OP'ness would last long but at me it damage is the same as firebird..... and firebird has after burn..... cmon at leat make it a little stronger.

TBH this game hasnt realy been balanced at all.

[railguniz4noobz 2,394]

..... Ok i have to admit i didnt think freezes 'OP'ness would last long but at me it damage is the same as firebird..... and firebird has after burn..... cmon at leat make it a little stronger.

TBH this game hasnt realy been balanced at all.

If they were trying to make it balanced they wouldve stopped updating it years ago.

[megladon12 11]

Wow, I'd never thought they would un-nerf isida and fix freeze. GG Tanki

[asifmak 467]

Let me be clear and share a bigger picture which u all havn't seen or think.

First this name balancing is only a shield to hide the devs heinous deeds, they are not balancing the game they only wants to shift the focus of players from one turret to another.
They make something op in one update people buy this turret or hull in large amount spend their precious money. After getting huge amount of collection as money these people make another update in the name of rebalancing and make another turret op making this turret as fav since the thing which is bought cannot be sold back the poor people like us hav nothing in hand we can only cry or complain which will not change anything at all.
If they don't perform this practice(rebalancing) at regular interval they will not get the fund which they were seeking thus they shift the focus from one turret to another so that they can get the revenue regularly

[misafeco 713]

I never felt this helpless in a drug-less battle... Okay, our team had some of the biggest noobs in the galaxy but the fact that I didn't even reach 1 K/D shocked me. This never happened to me in Polygon CP. I usually have 1.5-2 when the teams are balanced. Now despite I was in a battle I wasn't suppose to be (just ranked up at the end of the previous battle) players with Smoky and Thunder M1 completely dominated me. Freezes easily caught me before I was able to destroy them. Let's not talk about Twins, it was hard to defeat them before the update, now it's borderline impossible.

[GunslingerMongoose 198]

Wheeeeeeee, now I have to go deal with Vulcan/Isida trains! Damn it Tanki, have at least 6 inches of foresight with your updates. Vulcan self heating reduction+Boosted Isida damage= Vulcan/Titans and Isida/Hornets being encouraged to pair up with each other more strongly than ever because reduced heating makes the Isida's life easier than ever to camp and heal the Vulcan.... You guys really are dumb and need to think about this. Put a tester in the live servers and watch what he says about Vulcan/Isida trains, excessive use of Rico, Freeze, and Vulcan, the terrible killing power of Isida, the tyranny of Smoky, the useless-ness of Twins, the under powered depression of Thunder, the over powered strength of Hammer, and the spam of Firebird.

The hulls are fine however...

Also, Tanki, I made an alt so that I could see the kits offered on a regular basis. M1s to a Staff Sergeant? Good going, talk about amazing balance Tanki! Oh btw people, if you guys wanna reset and get M1s earlier, they have all the super powerful ones! M1 Viking/Freeze! M1 Firebird/Wasp! M1 Smoky/Titan! All these available at a rank that you barely just unlocked M0 Shaft and Rico. Tanki, really think about these things.

What's more. "Predator" kit! 80K crystals, and not even because the equipment in it is worth a lot of money, M1 Thunder/Hunter combined cost 50k-ish. No, what makes it 80k is the 300k pain they include with the kit! Dude, Tanki, what the hell. Add an option to kit purchases to buy JUST THE EQUIPMENT, and not the useless ass paint. Greedy, people. Seriously, if I'm going to spend 80K in crystals for something like that, I'll just purchase the equipment pieces as separate purchases. I can fill my garage with 4, maybe 5 more M1s, plus the 3 I have, for 80k.

Edited December 1, 2016 by CooperO
Please avoid using insults.

[Bydo 20,121]

Let me be clear and share a bigger picture which u all havn't seen or think.

 

First this name balancing is only a shield to hide the devs heinous deeds, they are not balancing the game they only wants to shift the focus of players from one turret to another.

They make something op in one update people buy this turret or hull in large amount spend their precious money. After getting huge amount of collection as money these people make another update in the name of rebalancing and make another turret op making this turret as fav since the thing which is bought cannot be sold back the poor people like us hav nothing in hand we can only cry or complain which will not change anything at all.

If they don't perform this practice(rebalancing) at regular interval they will not get the fund which they were seeking thus they shift the focus from one turret to another so that they can get the revenue regularly

fully agree and this is also why we have the pro passes .. to switch tankers from regular battles into pro battles /... regardless the regular battles are less now then before .. its harder to find any battles to just do a mission in .. for playing well most only do missions now cause of these updates... so by Jan 1 2017 is this the date tanki has in store for this game to close .. cause as of Dec 8th who ever is changing over to tanki x should do so.. its also interesting that we see less of the CM and Dev's now..?????????

[AbsoluteZero 3,729]

I never said you're a loony conspiracy theorist. I apologise if it seemed that way. I was just saying that this update was to be more or less expected after the global update in October. And when these tweaks are logically to be expected, some nerfs should be expected too. What exactly those nerfs would be, cannot be said by even the developers without the data of game balance. So, I'm not surprised that it happened the way it did. Firebird, on of my favorite Turrets, got a significant nerf too even though I had just spent quite a lot of crystals on it. It feels bad, but it cannot be helped.

Also, sales and updates are planned by two different departments so there's a good chance that these sales were planned way before they even had a clue about this tweak. And if they had intimated us that a tweak is coming, the sale wouldn't have been of any use since no one would have bothered to spend much crystals in fear of a nerf. All things considered, I really doubt this thing could have gone any other way.

It could have went a totally different way and you still missed the point. Instead of giving things too much of a buff why not take small incrimental steps ie, stats suggest a 10% buff, give it 5% instead. If it needs more after that then nobody will be complaining they wasted money or crystals.  But doing it the way they did, tanki stand accused of taking outrageous advantage of people. You can apologise for them all you like but it doesn't undo what happened. Shameful again. Lessons not learned.

Edited December 1, 2016 by AbsoluteZero

[Tufos 0]

All i have was the Vulcan, they just take it from me, go to hell tanki team, hope you get poor and poor! Wish i never played this game!

Edited December 1, 2016 by CooperO
Please leave the insults out.