Update 428 — Parameter tweaks and more

[canuckgeorge 2]

When you signed up for tankionline and checked that little box saying you agree by their terms and conditions you basically gave then cart blanc. They can and will do everything in theri power to make money and continue to make money any way possible.

 

[J.G.S.D.F 73]

It is so funny ! Do you guys think that it is really another rebalancing? Ha Ha ! Of course not !

 

I have stopped playing this game since long ago; just come here from time to time to see how you guys are being fooled and humiliated. I am sure they are now just seating back and watch the posts to laugh at how angry and frustrated you feel. Do you think that they really consider you guys are customers? or players ? No! You are just pets ! Some pets that bring them money and entertainments. Be wise, leave this rotten game and to be human again.

[Jwimmer 2,835]

Glad to see freeze's damage going down. Not happy to see isidas damage go up- it should be its healing that goes up. Its a medic, not an attacking turret. While I have to see the vulcan nerfs, I guess it had to happen. However, .8 of a second less of firing time for m3... thats a drastic change. Continue button- good for dealing with mults, not much extra effort for me- I approve. Also like the mine cooldown.

[LittleWillie 3,199]

Do you think giving isidas just 25% self-heal in only DM mode would be asking too much? Would it make isida too OP? Would it ruin the gameplay and make it less fun for you?

As I showed  a 10% self heal can easily mean your tank fights with 120% to 150% of its hit points as compared using any other turret. That 10% damage caused to them shows up as more than 10% extra hit points added to you, It is a good, solid, but not extreme benefit. 

 

Isidas are still one of the most effective and common tanks in the game. When one team is losing badly its often a team with no Isida, or up against a team with 3 or 4 or 'em.

 

I suggest players learn how to play the turret or more to a turret that appeals to their concept of fun. The Isida turret is very fun because it gives you a wide range of decisions to make ... and because you can have a huge impact on victory or defeat.

 

And yes, Tanki would be wise ot offer players some compensation in proportion to the magnitude of rebalance changes.

 

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Edited November 30, 2016 by LittleWillie

[LittleWillie 3,199]

It is so funny ! Do you guys think that it is really another rebalancing? Ha Ha ! Of course not !

 

I have stopped playing this game since long ago; just come here from time to time to see how you guys are being fooled and humiliated. I am sure they are now just seating back and watch the posts to laugh at how angry and frustrated you feel. Do you think that they really consider you guys are customers? or players ? No! You are just pets ! Some pets that bring them money and entertainments. Be wise, leave this rotten game and to be human again.

You quit playing, but you return to this forum to read about the game ... and you are urging active players to leave? Dude! You haven't left.  :wacko:

[Jwimmer 2,835]

Do you think giving isidas just 25% self-heal in only DM mode would be asking too much? Would it make isida too OP? Would it ruin the gameplay and make it less fun for you?

Have you played any drug-free battles recently? Isidas are vital to winning. Its an extremely crucial turret, and a good isida can be the top 2 in a team. What i'm trying to say is it doesn't need the 25% self-healing. What it does need is to be able to heal a bit more- M2 takes a full clip of isida juice to heal a viking m3.

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

in my opinion

• Firebird and Freeze did feel ok by their time-to-kill
  I drive an Wasp and get toasted and frozen all the time, and I dont complain. If they catch me distracted and come close enough, they deserve the kill.
   
• Firebird's afterburn was too low
  30? 30 -.- The turret competed well, but a little less damage + a little more burn is more to it's characteristics.
   
• Firebirds afterburn alternation was wayyyy to powerfull.
  Instead of turning the turret into a pure hit-and-run weapon, it turned it into a hit-hard-and-stay weapon. The energy consumption was no real cutback.
   

• In order to adjust Firebird and Freeze I would have adjusted the energy consumption but left the damage pretty high
  You have to consider that light-tanks have to sustain next to their enemy. Therefore they need a high damage output; but it is ok if they can not kill 3 enemies in a row. Maybe penetration is for those turrets even more important then consumption

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Glad to see freeze's damage going down. Not happy to see isidas damage go up- it should be its healing that goes up. Its a medic, not an attacking turret. While I have to see the vulcan nerfs, I guess it had to happen. However, .8 of a second less of firing time for m3... thats a drastic change. Continue button- good for dealing with mults, not much extra effort for me- I approve. Also like the mine cooldown.

The old freeze damage (of 4 months ago) was good: 800 hp/sec.  Now it is too little. But that's what happens when everybody plays on Noise and Polygon; they complain Freeze is OP. I warned them.

 

I agree about Isida. Healing and Self-heal needed a buff. Damage? Why? Isida is not an attacker. This will just make it more profitable for an isida user to attack the enemy directly instead of healing his teammate who is attacking the enemy, with the big difference between damage and healing rate.  Glad to see a buff at least. Freeze and Firebird do the damage.

 

Vulcan deserved the damage nerfed IMO. However, it heats up to fast. For a true machine-gun feel it has to be able to fire for longer.  I think the old heat-up times were much better. THey went a little too far in nerfing Vulcan.

 

Firebird is a joke. There is no reason to chose firebird over freeze. The only way players could get the old afterburn back was to buy the alteration. It gave tanki money and the players were pleased. And now, of course, they chose to nerf the alteration. Now, it has as much afterburn as the old firebird from 4 months ago, except half the charge.  The afterburn needs to be buffed for both the stock firebird and the alteration.

[madalien 30]

And now even if a close-ranger gets close they still lose point-blank to Twins and Rico.

Twins is way too powerful - continuous fire and able to 'bully' others by its impact force. If rebalancing, there's a serious issue.

 

'Hey, teacher, leave the Freeze alone'

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Isida:

Could you please give more self-heal, and on the other hand turn off the DP effect on selfhealing?

So that an Isida has 30%..50% self healing, but when it is on DP, then the gained hp will not double?

 

tihs would be way better then this crippled thing we have now.

 

Isidas drive around with a big, red crosshait on their back. They are the first tanks targeted, if multiple tanks are in sight.

An Isida needs selfheal in order to compensate for that and recharge a little fromtime to time.. or else there are no more isidas in attack support roles (except the druggers that use DA and HK).

 

You can keep the whole/parts of the damage incraese therefore

Edited November 30, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Have you played any drug-free battles recently? Isidas are vital to winning. Its an extremely crucial turret, and a good isida can be the top 2 in a team. What i'm trying to say is it doesn't need the 25% self-healing. What it does need is to be able to heal a bit more- M2 takes a full clip of isida juice to heal a viking m3.

I'm talking about only DMs.

[GeeVuh 1,647]

It is so funny ! Do you guys think that it is really another rebalancing? Ha Ha ! Of course not !

 

I have stopped playing this game since long ago; just come here from time to time to see how you guys are being fooled and humiliated. I am sure they are now just seating back and watch the posts to laugh at how angry and frustrated you feel. Do you think that they really consider you guys are customers? or players ? No! You are just pets ! Some pets that bring them money and entertainments. Be wise, leave this rotten game and to be human again.

If we want to have fun, we'll have fun. Tanki can't please everyone...  :mellow:

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Please do something about M2-vs-M3 XP/BP.

This is completely unbalanced

 

Please make Wasps more agile; if hornets need a buff then, give em the same speed.

Wasp lives on agiitliy (turning acceleration), while the hornets are the decent dodgers (fwd/backwd. acceleration)

Edited November 30, 2016 by BlackWasp777

[r_I_already_won0 2,339]

Please do something about M2-vs-M3 XP/BP.

This is completely unbalanced

 

Please make Wasps more agile; if hornets need a buff then, give em the same speed.

Wasp lives on agiitliy (turning acceleration), while the hornets are the decent dodgers (fwd/backwd. acceleration)

Agreed my friend. Except, I wouldn't give hornet's the same speed but merely make them accelerate to their top speed faster.

 

When the new rocker launcher and artillery cannon come out, which will be very effective against snipers, campers, and heavy hulls, but weak against light hulls, hull diversity at the highest ranks should improve.

[Heles 9,220]

-_- dammit vulcan 

[NewbieCake 3,067]

Haha, Vulcan's going to be a joke now. 540 DPS on M4? Oh please, Vulcan's power is gone now.

[wolverine848 13,097]

What is the percentage difference between Isida and Firebird/Freeze when it comes to healing teammates?

 

If your only joy in Tanki is killing enemy tanks, then Isida was NEVER your turret.

You just don't get it.

 

How does healing help me in DM?  You know - one of the random missions I get? 

 

Never said it should only be for killing. Stop making crap up.

Look at my profile and experience with Isida. I use it plenty in Team Modes.

Now, if they don't re-balance again, I want you to come back here and post your 1+ K/D with Isida using M3. Against other M3s+

 

Every tank should be competitive on each battle-mode.

How about this - Freeze seems like a defensive tank cuz - you know - it can slow down the flag carrier. let's make it do half damage cuz... you know... it's a team turret and should be there to defend the base. Sound familiar?

[BlackWasp777 4,498]

Together with the 2 minute break time, this is by far one of the most useful things to come out in a long time but please change the wording from "Continue" to "Stay For Next Battle?". People just love to click Continue buttons.

 

For a long time, one of my biggest gripes was seeing a bunch of zeroes on the scoreboard for minutes after the battle restart. These were the players that didn't logoff correctly, usually rage-quitters, closing their browser or client instead of exiting properly.  This should help here.

Calid point about the handling of "continue" buttons..

 

 

Maybe we could have "Stay in battle" and "Back to Lobby" - and nothing in between.

Most people seem to look for other battles, and if they find none they stay.. which wastes the first 1..2 minutes... over and over again

[wolverine848 13,097]

Proof that human illogic knows no bounds.

 

I finish in first place more than any other position when I use my Isida account.  But yeah... the turrets useless. lol

Congrats. I think.  Many Isida players (myself included) can finish first in Team Modes.

 

Now let us know where you finish in DM once you've bought your M3 Isida.

[wolverine848 13,097]

 

Yes, Isida users might find one mode of combat harder than other modes.

 

So too does every other turret anf hull.

Keep trying.

 

What battle mode do Freeze or Firebird or Twins have difficulty in?

[wolverine848 13,097]

Haha, Vulcan's going to be a joke now. 540 DPS on M4? Oh please, Vulcan's power is gone now.

I don't know... in 5 seconds it does 2700 damage - from a distance. Seems ok.

[misafeco 713]

This isn't rebalance. Rebalance means small changes to make the game more fair. You basically murdered Vulcan. No one will use it from now. I'll play with Twins or Smoky on my alt account. I refuse to buy an M2 Vulcan which is worse than my current M1.

A good poll would be: Will you continue to use your Vulcan after the rebalance? I'm sure at least 80% will be 'No'.

P.S.: I spent some money on my current account. I'll NEVER buy anything from now. You won't get a single penny from me. What's the point? You made my turret useless, what's the point spending anything on this game?

[Jwimmer 2,835]

Isida:

Could you please give more self-heal, and on the other hand turn off the DP effect on selfhealing?

So that an Isida has 30%..50% self healing, but when it is on DP, then the gained hp will not double?

 

tihs would be way better then this crippled thing we have now.

 

Isidas drive around with a big, red crosshait on their back. They are the first tanks targeted, if multiple tanks are in sight.

An Isida needs selfheal in order to compensate for that and recharge a little fromtime to time.. or else there are no more isidas in attack support roles (except the druggers that use DA and HK).

 

You can keep the whole/parts of the damage incraese therefore

Isida is going to be targeted first no matter what its parameters are. Once the isida is killed, everyone else can be.

[Jwimmer 2,835]

This isn't rebalance. Rebalance means small changes to make the game more fair. You basically murdered Vulcan. No one will use it from now. I'll play with Twins or Smoky on my alt account. I refuse to buy an M2 Vulcan which is worse than my current M1.

A good poll would be: Will you continue to use your Vulcan after the rebalance? I'm sure at least 80% will be 'No'.

P.S.: I spent some money on my current account. I'll NEVER buy anything from now. You won't get a single penny from me. What's the point? You made my turret useless, what's the point spending anything on this game?

Idk if I can... 100 less damage, and almost a full second less of time to heating. 1/5 less damage and also 1/5 less firing time was too far.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Jwimmer

[Phoenix.Raised 5,992]

I think this small rebalance will make RIDDLER really angry. They made his Flemish weaker.